# Banter 110: 11Mar26 Deep Adaptation, with Geoff Morley {% embed url="" %} Video Timeline (min:sec) 00:00 - 30:00 Presentation 30:00 - 70:01 (end) Q & A *** ### Deep Adaption - presentation slides: {% file src="" %} A markdown version of this presentation - giving text without images - is available at the bottom of this page. Please note that there are lots of links - to the books, papers,websites, etc., to which Geoff referred - in the markdown version. They have been extracted for you in the links section below the meeting summary *** ### Deep Adaptation Meeting Summary: Mar 11, 2026 11:53 AM London ID: 834 5460 8536 ### Quick recap Geoffrey presented on community resilience and deep adaptation in response to climate change and environmental challenges, sharing insights from his work with the National Trust and his upcoming community interest company. He outlined four key pillars for community adaptation: resilience, relinquishment, restoration, and reconciliation, emphasizing the need to build local food systems, short supply chains, and community connections. The discussion explored funding opportunities for community projects, challenges in engaging local councils and communities, and the importance of addressing immediate needs before broader environmental issues. Participants shared experiences about engaging different demographic groups, with particular attention to involving children and addressing economic disparities in community participation. ### Next steps * [Geoffrey: Send the presentation (including links) to Graham for upload to the knowledge base.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=25ZRpQHZQ1%2BVGQ6CKCSiUA%3D%3D\&stepId=8499a3de-1d4c-11f1-9259-6a871d894861) * [Graham: Upload Geoffrey's presentation and links to the Norwich knowledge base.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=25ZRpQHZQ1%2BVGQ6CKCSiUA%3D%3D\&stepId=8499ac6a-1d4c-11f1-9e1b-6a871d894861) * [(Optional/Implied - not explicitly assigned but suggested) Sue/interested parties: Access the National Emergency Briefing film via the knowledge base once available.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=25ZRpQHZQ1%2BVGQ6CKCSiUA%3D%3D\&stepId=8499b0c6-1d4c-11f1-ae67-6a871d894861) ### Summary ### Community Resilience Presentation Introduction Geoffrey introduced himself as a National Trust employee working in community outreach and resilience, presenting for the first time about community resilience to this group. He explained his background in conservation management and river restoration in Norfolk, where he conducted community listening sessions to understand rural community concerns about land use. ### Novel Mosaic Community Resilience Initiative Geoffrey introduced his new community interest company, Novel Mosaic, which aims to deliver talks about deep adaptation and support community resilience projects in Norfolk. He explained that the concept of deep adaptation comes from Professor Gem Bendel's work, focusing on preparing communities for potential collapse by adapting to a different form of community organization. Geoffrey outlined plans to support community groups through resilience projects, including desktop surveys, creating edible landscapes, and restoring habitats. ### Climate Change Action Framework Geoffrey discussed the urgent need for action on climate change, noting that global emissions have exceeded 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels for two consecutive years. He outlined a four-pillar framework for addressing this crisis: resilience (building community strength and adaptability), relinquishment (letting go of unsustainable expectations), restoration (reviving local skills and self-sufficiency), and reconciliation (rebuilding trust within communities). Geoffrey emphasized the need to move away from centralized systems toward more distributed community-based approaches. ### Community Resilience and Sustainability Approaches Geoffrey discussed the importance of decentralized, community-led approaches to building resilience against global challenges like food insecurity and climate change. He emphasized the need for short supply chains, local food production, and skills sharing to reduce dependence on external systems and create more sustainable communities. Geoffrey highlighted various existing initiatives like Land Workers Alliance, Slow Food movements, and Transition Towns, while also advocating for practical actions such as local currencies, repair cafes, and community gardens to strengthen social connections and support mental well-being. He concluded by urging a shift away from expectations of perpetual economic growth and towards practices that prioritize community well-being and cultural traditions aligned with environmental stewardship. ### Community Environmental Resilience Strategies Geoffrey discussed the importance of communities adapting to environmental challenges by building local resilience and connections. He outlined steps for communities to take, including conducting desktop surveys, identifying local skills and resources, and connecting with neighbors to address gaps and vulnerabilities. Graham asked about Geoffrey's experience with large organizations like DEFRA and the potential role of national funding in supporting local community efforts, to which Geoffrey explained his work with the National Trust and highlighted the benefits of community-based approaches despite organizational constraints. ### Community Interest Company Discussion Geoffrey discussed setting up a Community Interest Company (CIC) to bid for community funding and operate both as a business and a charity. He explained that CICs allow for diverse income streams and access to charitable funds, which can help support community projects and provide a wage for the operator. Geoffrey highlighted the potential for funding opportunities, including grants for land management and biodiversity projects, and emphasized the importance of engaging farmers and horticulturalists in these efforts. Peter raised a concern about corporation tax obligations for CICs and questioned the added value of such organizations in communities with similar groups already active. ### Catchment Conservation Funding Discussion Geoffrey described his voluntary work with the Felbeck Trust in North Norfolk, focusing on catchment-scale conservation projects that connect existing habitats and identify gaps for community engagement. Peter inquired about funding opportunities, to which Geoffrey responded that while national funding through Natural England's species recovery funds exists, public sector funding has generally decreased, with private investment and carbon credits expected to take a larger role. Peter mentioned available funds from Anglian Water, particularly in water catchment areas, including the Flourishing Communities Fund and AWINEP, though he noted limited funding for initial sampling and identification of issues. ### Biodiversity Data Collection Methods Geoffrey discussed his experience with desktop surveys and ground-truthing for biodiversity and community projects. He explained the challenges of gathering information from various sources like message boards and Facebook groups, noting that pre-2020 data was more readily available. Geoffrey shared insights about a heritage grain project in North Norfolk and emphasized the importance of verifying online information through direct observation. He also highlighted the value of community engagement and leadership in adapting to complex issues, suggesting that successful projects require ongoing conversations with local stakeholders. ### Local Resilience and Community Engagement Geoffrey presented on the importance of local resilience and community engagement in preparing for potential resource shortages. He emphasized focusing on vulnerable areas and people who will be affected first by price hikes in energy and food. Graham suggested using the upcoming National Emergency Briefing movie to capture attention and generate interest. Cllr. Stuart expressed challenges in getting local groups to collaborate and engage in resilience projects, while Geoffrey shared strategies like creating an edible park to increase community involvement, particularly among vulnerable populations. The group discussed the potential of involving children in resilience efforts, as they could help spread awareness to future generations. *** ### "Deep Adaptation" banter session - Useful Links: Geoff Morley: ### [Deep Adaptation forum:](https://www.deepadaptation.info/) ### [Versions of the Deep Adaptation paper – Prof Jem Bendell](https://jembendell.com/2019/05/15/deep-adaptation-versions/) ### [**BREAKING TOGETHER – a freedom-loving response to collapse – Prof Jem Bendell**](https://jembendell.com/2023/04/08/breaking-together-a-freedom-loving-response-to-collapse/) ### [**Roadmap for Resilience: A UK Food Plan for 2050 - Summary Report**](https://www.agrifood4netzero.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/AFN-ROADMAP-SUMMARY.pdf) ### [**We-need-to-talk-about-adaptation-2025**](https://usercontent.one/wp/climatemajorityproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/We-need-to-talk-about-adaptation-2025.pdf?media=1756221428) ### [**Planetary boundaries - Stockholm Resilience Centre**](https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-boundaries.html) ### [**National Emergency Briefing on climate & nature**](https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=National+Emergency+Briefing+on+climate+%26+nature\&cvid=00f673db5c8a44eeb2441c9658e8a1c9\&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRhAMgYIAhBFGDwyCAgDEOkHGPxV0gEIMTM1NmowajSoAgCwAgA\&PC=HCTS\&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dNational%2bEmergency%2bBriefing%2bon%2bclimate%2b%2526%2bnature%26cvid%3d00f673db5c8a44eeb2441c9658e8a1c9%26gs_lcrp%3dEgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRhAMgYIAhBFGDwyCAgDEOkHGPxV0gEIMTM1NmowajSoAgCwAgA%26FORM%3dANAB01%26PC%3dHCTS\&mmscn=vwrc\&mid=B815EFF5B46984E81668B815EFF5B46984E81668\&FORM=WRVORC\&ntb=1\&msockid=c32ee5571ca111f18c1ff85920bdb29f) ### [**The report - Food Security**](https://foodsecurityaction.org/the-report/) ### [**Our Scenarios Report - AFN Network+**](https://www.agrifood4netzero.net/our-work/scenarios/) ### [**Climate Majority Project**](https://climatemajorityproject.com/) ### [Downham Solidarity Fund - Open Collective](https://opencollective.com/downhamsolidarity) ### [Action Plan Checklist - Climate Emergency UK](https://climateemergency.uk/climate-action-plan-checklist/) ### [SAFER - Climate Majority Project](https://climatemajorityproject.com/safer/) ### [Social Farms & Gardens](https://www.farmgarden.org.uk/) ### [Resilient Local Food Systems - Landworkers Alliance](https://landworkersalliance.org.uk/resilient-local-food-systems/) ### [Greening our Communities | Norfolk Community Foundation](https://www.norfolkfoundation.com/funding-support/grants/groups/grant-greening-our-communities/) ### [Assets of community value](https://mycommunity.org.uk/what-are-assets-of-community-value-acv) ### [Community Action Norfolk ](https://www.communityactionnorfolk.org.uk/sites/) ### [Felbeck Trust](https://www.felbecktrust.org.uk/) *** ### Deep Adaptation banter session - Chat: \ 00:13:12 Peter Bates - SSECAM: SSECAM - South East Cambridgeshire and surrounding aeas \ 00:14:18 Peter Bates - SSECAM: Replying to "SSECAM - South East ..." SSECAM - Sustainable South East Cambridgeshire and surrounding areas
00:33:26 Christine Allen: Sorry, I have got to go. Please send me a copy of the slides. Christine \ 00:57:27 David Morgan-Jones: Thank you everyone - need to go.
01:05:45 Sue Burton Battle Town Council: Which books are there that we now need to start adaptation steps
01:09:06 Katherine Stott: Replying to "SSECAM - South East ..." Apologies, I have to duck out for another meeting - thank you for a fascinating presentation :-) \ 01:13:37 Jane Whild, Campbell Park CC, Milton Keynes: I have to go. Thank you so much. Very inspiring. \ 01:17:05 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: We have the same problem as Stuart. I think the problem is that things are working a bit too well. We dont have bare sheves in the shops - food supply chains are not fragile enough. Transport of food is not yet expensive enough. A bit of community hardship I think would go a long way,(My background is Africa) \ 01:19:02 Sue Burton Battle Town Council: I agree Andrew. If something goes wrong it’s somebody’s fault eg water company, *** ### Deep Adaptation banter session - audio-transcript: 50 \ 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:21.720 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: So, thank you all very much for joining us, and with no more ado, Jeff, let me pass things to you, and please feel free to tell people who you are and what they're going to be discovering from you today. 51 \ 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:29.769 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Graham, thank you, Graham. Thanks for having me, everybody. Have we got people in from all over the country, then? I've seen Great Dunmouth, Somerset. 52 \ 00:12:30.390 --> 00:12:30.970 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yeah. 53 \ 00:12:32.370 --> 00:12:39.519 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: I confess to not knowing… remembering where Hadstock is. So, John, my apologies to you if… 54 \ 00:12:40.300 --> 00:12:42.169 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: For my ignorance. 55 \ 00:12:43.700 --> 00:12:48.040 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, I am in… Norwich, in North Norwich. 56 \ 00:12:48.230 --> 00:12:54.970 \ Geoffrey James Morley: sorry, North Norfolk, near Norwich, and… I am, 57 \ 00:12:55.270 --> 00:12:59.449 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Doing the first… so this is the first of these, 58 \ 00:13:00.350 --> 00:13:04.910 \ Geoffrey James Morley: presentations where I'm talking to people about community resilience. 59 \ 00:13:05.250 --> 00:13:11.890 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I've been working for the National Trust for the last 8 years, but… 60 \ 00:13:12.210 --> 00:13:15.510 \ Geoffrey James Morley: The last couple of years have been in, 61 \ 00:13:15.850 --> 00:13:22.620 \ Geoffrey James Morley: a sort of conservation management role, doing river restoration on the Upper Bjorn River in… In… 62 \ 00:13:22.820 --> 00:13:30.800 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Norfolk, and the, the role that I had was in community outreach and engagement. 63 \ 00:13:30.930 --> 00:13:47.050 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I've got scientific training, I've got sociology training as well, so I was doing a lot of community listening through my time with Riverlands, and trying to understand what it is that the community wanted, in terms of land use and land use change. 64 \ 00:13:47.430 --> 00:13:54.089 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So… we… Did a lot of, speaking to people about… 65 \ 00:13:54.730 --> 00:14:03.650 \ Geoffrey James Morley: About the issues they see in the countryside and rural communities, and through the course of doing that work, I developed this, 66 \ 00:14:03.830 --> 00:14:10.140 \ Geoffrey James Morley: this presentation. Just having a little bit of trouble with my second screen, trying to… get the… 67 \ 00:14:11.210 --> 00:14:14.540 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Might as just share my screen and see how you find it. 68 \ 00:14:16.110 --> 00:14:20.849 \ Geoffrey James Morley: This is always a little bit nerve-wracking to… to do this. 69 \ 00:14:22.280 --> 00:14:25.239 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So if I get… 70 \ 00:14:26.950 --> 00:14:30.869 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: You've got a nice picture of me at the moment. Yep, you're getting there. 71 \ 00:14:31.110 --> 00:14:36.269 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Alright, so I've got… Just unplug that second screen. 72 \ 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:38.339 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: It's looking good. 73 \ 00:14:38.680 --> 00:14:42.360 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And what I can't see now is my… 74 \ 00:14:42.990 --> 00:14:47.830 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: No. You are, yes. You're on the first slide, Jeff. 75 \ 00:14:47.830 --> 00:14:53.470 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah, I know. Sorry, this is, you can tell it's the first time, don't you? 76 \ 00:14:54.910 --> 00:14:59.619 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I just need to be able to see… oh, god, now it's giving me… 77 \ 00:15:02.050 --> 00:15:05.510 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Nevermind, let's not do that. Okay, 78 \ 00:15:05.870 --> 00:15:08.069 \ Geoffrey James Morley: what I might just have to do is… 79 \ 00:15:08.580 --> 00:15:13.720 \ Geoffrey James Morley: have it all out in the open, so you can see all my notes as well. I hope that's okay with everybody. 80 \ 00:15:16.330 --> 00:15:22.159 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Usually if you pull it from your second screen to your first, then. 81 \ 00:15:22.920 --> 00:15:23.350 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah. 82 \ 00:15:23.350 --> 00:15:26.090 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Plays ball, better ball than it does with the second screen. 83 \ 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:31.729 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Normally, it gives me a little box in the bottom, a bit like this, but, you know, in a different… in a better format. 84 \ 00:15:31.860 --> 00:15:45.609 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That, that allows me to read it, but anyway, I'll stop worrying about that, and you can see what I'm getting at anyway, so we'll make do for the moment, and I'll replace my screen sometime soon. So… 85 \ 00:15:45.740 --> 00:15:52.600 \ Geoffrey James Morley: As part of the outcomes of the project I was working on, I have… 86 \ 00:15:52.770 --> 00:16:02.399 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I'm finishing that role and that project, and with my redundancy money, I'm setting up a community interest company called Novel Mosaic. 87 \ 00:16:02.620 --> 00:16:15.050 \ Geoffrey James Morley: purpose of that is to deliver talks like this, and this is the sort of thing I've got, booked in for the next few months around Norfolk, around the catchment, is talking to community groups. 88 \ 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:27.470 \ Geoffrey James Morley: to talk to them about something I learned, whilst I was doing all of the other work streams that I've been doing, which is… which is deep adaptation, which I'll come along… come on to in a… in a minute. 89 \ 00:16:27.860 --> 00:16:35.940 \ Geoffrey James Morley: the, the output of that will then be to support community groups with resilience projects, to… 90 \ 00:16:36.250 --> 00:16:48.280 \ Geoffrey James Morley: To, start to put together things like desktop surveys of figuring out what… what you have in your community and where the gaps are, and then putting together projects to try to, bring 91 \ 00:16:48.410 --> 00:17:01.470 \ Geoffrey James Morley: community groups together, to support resilience projects. And then other work streams that sort of feed into that would be, creating edible landscapes, like edible parks, 92 \ 00:17:01.670 --> 00:17:10.290 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And, forest edge design gardens and things like that, and restoring habitat, which is what I've been doing in my role. 93 \ 00:17:11.020 --> 00:17:19.910 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, I've called this catchment adaptation. It was specifically called Bure Adaptation, because it was aimed at the bure catchment. 94 \ 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:27.079 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But what this is, essentially, is the key messages and, 95 \ 00:17:27.349 --> 00:17:35.270 \ Geoffrey James Morley: The actions and the sort of outcomes of a couple of pieces of… Cross-disciplinary… 96 \ 00:17:35.430 --> 00:17:44.779 \ Geoffrey James Morley: climate science and climate work and sociology, written by Professor Jem Bendel, from Cunbury University. 97 \ 00:17:45.340 --> 00:17:55.539 \ Geoffrey James Morley: who wrote a book called Breaking Together, following on from a paper that he wrote called Deep Adaptation, both of which, are along the lines of. 98 \ 00:17:56.770 --> 00:18:03.399 \ Geoffrey James Morley: You know, all the things we're doing nationally and internationally, to change 99 \ 00:18:03.660 --> 00:18:15.450 \ Geoffrey James Morley: to do anything about carbon, carbon and climate change, and the poly crisis are not meeting their targets, as we repeatedly see. 100 \ 00:18:15.700 --> 00:18:23.910 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And we'll… People need to do is to start to prepare for collapse, by adapting 101 \ 00:18:24.250 --> 00:18:34.990 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Our communities, our lives, and our, minds to a different Form of community organization. 102 \ 00:18:35.650 --> 00:18:40.060 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, the… you see the picture on the cover of the book there is of… 103 \ 00:18:40.220 --> 00:18:44.990 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Atlas carrying the Earth, but it's the, kintsugi. 104 \ 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.930 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Gold repair, version of that, where… 105 \ 00:18:49.020 --> 00:19:06.879 \ Geoffrey James Morley: if you know anything about that, Japanese practice, it's as something breaks, and you repair it with gold to make it more… to make it stronger, and to make it more beautiful, and more meaningful. So that's sort of, inside and out with people and communities, that is what the aim 106 \ 00:19:07.060 --> 00:19:09.070 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Of this whole process is. 107 \ 00:19:11.370 --> 00:19:14.200 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Any questions before I jump into it? 108 \ 00:19:17.520 --> 00:19:18.910 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Is everyone still there? 109 \ 00:19:23.350 --> 00:19:25.089 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yeah, press on, Jeff, press on. 110 \ 00:19:25.090 --> 00:19:29.719 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Thank you. I can't see anybody, just so you know, so if you do have any questions. 111 \ 00:19:30.060 --> 00:19:35.120 \ Geoffrey James Morley: just, shout out, and… yeah, I'll… we'll stop and have a chat. 112 \ 00:19:35.600 --> 00:19:36.370 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: No hate. 113 \ 00:19:37.610 --> 00:19:47.699 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, I believe you had a talk recently from one of the founders of the transition movement about how we got here, so we won't linger too long on it. 114 \ 00:19:47.820 --> 00:19:55.640 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But needless to say, it's all developing very quickly, and we're already in a world 115 \ 00:19:56.120 --> 00:19:59.380 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Looking back over that planetary boundaries timeline. 116 \ 00:19:59.600 --> 00:20:04.050 \ Geoffrey James Morley: In 2015, I'd not long started to… 117 \ 00:20:04.280 --> 00:20:12.070 \ Geoffrey James Morley: To, learn about ecology and conservation, having come out of university in 2008, and… 118 \ 00:20:12.270 --> 00:20:16.990 \ Geoffrey James Morley: By 2023, I had a 4-year-old and a 2-year-old. 119 \ 00:20:17.340 --> 00:20:22.589 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And… Yeah, last year, we started to… 120 \ 00:20:22.940 --> 00:20:34.890 \ Geoffrey James Morley: See that we've been above 1.5 globally, above 1.5 degrees over pre-industrial emissions, for two… for the second year in a row. 121 \ 00:20:35.350 --> 00:20:39.470 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, it's developing very quickly as an issue. 122 \ 00:20:39.990 --> 00:20:43.229 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And it's not going to get any better. 123 \ 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:51.139 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Without us doing something that is very different from what we've been doing, trying to do, or failing to do. 124 \ 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:55.390 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So… We have a reality to face. 125 \ 00:20:56.010 --> 00:21:00.190 \ Geoffrey James Morley: As a planet, and as… communities as individuals. 126 \ 00:21:00.330 --> 00:21:04.550 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That we have to be honest about, and we have to take… 127 \ 00:21:04.860 --> 00:21:10.269 \ Geoffrey James Morley: A courageous approach to… to look that… that situation in the eye. 128 \ 00:21:10.510 --> 00:21:11.230 \ Geoffrey James Morley: M… 129 \ 00:21:12.370 --> 00:21:23.760 \ Geoffrey James Morley: The traditional approaches have been insufficient, and we know that, and we do need to support each other with this, because it's a difficult truth to… 130 \ 00:21:23.900 --> 00:21:26.619 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Come to terms with on an emotional level. 131 \ 00:21:26.730 --> 00:21:30.320 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And there is fallout when there… when people 132 \ 00:21:30.580 --> 00:21:36.479 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Come to terms with difficult truths, in a personal and psychological way. 133 \ 00:21:37.210 --> 00:21:40.810 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So we have to be different to each other. 134 \ 00:21:43.650 --> 00:21:48.340 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I can provide all of these links afterwards, but the four pillars… 135 \ 00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:54.340 \ Geoffrey James Morley: To the framework that is set out in… in these books is… 136 \ 00:21:54.550 --> 00:21:59.169 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Resilience, relinquishment, restoration, and reconciliation. 137 \ 00:21:59.580 --> 00:22:13.769 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Resilience, which is mostly what we'll be focusing on in this, is building that community strength and adaptability. Things that are good in any scenario, even if none of it was true. 138 \ 00:22:13.770 --> 00:22:22.050 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And, you know, we could carry on living in the way that we're living globally for another 100,000 years. It is a good idea to build 139 \ 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:24.320 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Community Resilience and strength. 140 \ 00:22:24.860 --> 00:22:30.250 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And be adaptable, so that's where we are going to start. 141 \ 00:22:30.630 --> 00:22:36.479 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Relinquishment is letting go of the unsustainable expectations, the idea of 142 \ 00:22:36.700 --> 00:22:49.870 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Perpetual economic growth, that the state is, or businesses even, are going to have our best interests at heart, and are going to do the best things for us to get us out of the situation that we're in. 143 \ 00:22:49.970 --> 00:22:59.220 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Restoration, so reviving the skills and things that made our communities unique. 144 \ 00:22:59.510 --> 00:23:10.159 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And… and self-sustaining, so things like growing food, and supplying our… making our own power, generating our own power, which is a lot easier now than it ever has been. 145 \ 00:23:10.520 --> 00:23:14.210 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And, and reconciliation, so… 146 \ 00:23:14.340 --> 00:23:20.469 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Rebuilding trust, with the people in our community, especially the people that are different from us. 147 \ 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:27.600 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So what we're looking at in a sort of, 148 \ 00:23:28.390 --> 00:23:37.570 \ Geoffrey James Morley: abstract concept is moving away from a centralized way of organizing our society to a distributed 149 \ 00:23:37.760 --> 00:23:39.260 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Way of organising it. 150 \ 00:23:39.630 --> 00:23:52.220 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, if you imagine that your community where you are, is one of the, if you can see my cursor, one of the nodes at the end of a long stick, quite far away from the middle of power, that's… 151 \ 00:23:52.510 --> 00:23:55.719 \ Geoffrey James Morley: You know, how our food system works, our… 152 \ 00:23:56.060 --> 00:23:59.900 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Power generation works, our governance, 153 \ 00:24:00.030 --> 00:24:06.570 \ Geoffrey James Morley: A lot of these things happen to us, rather than us having a say in what goes on in the world. 154 \ 00:24:06.690 --> 00:24:17.030 \ Geoffrey James Morley: decentralized is better, we're more aware of our surroundings, but what we need is short… 155 \ 00:24:17.300 --> 00:24:25.780 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Supply chains and short distribution to other communities and other resources and other… 156 \ 00:24:26.040 --> 00:24:29.749 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Means of being resilient and adaptable. 157 \ 00:24:30.450 --> 00:24:34.899 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I'll take you through some of this stuff in more detail with some examples. 158 \ 00:24:35.280 --> 00:24:44.189 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So… Food security is something that we are a particularly vulnerable 159 \ 00:24:44.330 --> 00:24:58.130 \ Geoffrey James Morley: in the UK, as you probably all know from recent headlines after the invasion of Iran, that food prices are going to spike along with energy prices, as we always find, but… 160 \ 00:24:58.540 --> 00:25:05.010 \ Geoffrey James Morley: people like Tim Lang, who's been looking into this for a long time, know that 161 \ 00:25:05.170 --> 00:25:16.220 \ Geoffrey James Morley: we have a particularly low, self-sufficiency of food, of all the food that we need in this country, and we import an awful lot. We import just under half, I think. 162 \ 00:25:18.770 --> 00:25:25.769 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So one of the things that I've been doing in my project, and that I really want to continue doing as a CIC, is to… 163 \ 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:31.090 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Change lands… lands… land use and change the landscape to make 164 \ 00:25:31.470 --> 00:25:36.419 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Market gardening and short supply chains, a normal thing. 165 \ 00:25:36.530 --> 00:25:42.359 \ Geoffrey James Morley: You know, at least in my local community, if not across the country. 166 \ 00:25:43.300 --> 00:25:45.770 \ Geoffrey James Morley: What that does is put people back. 167 \ 00:25:45.890 --> 00:25:53.950 \ Geoffrey James Morley: In the landscape, put skills back in the landscape, change the conversation between Rural people and town people. 168 \ 00:25:54.080 --> 00:26:01.350 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And… Put that sort of resilience in a more spread-out way across 169 \ 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:05.400 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Our communities, so that there are multiple places to go. 170 \ 00:26:06.100 --> 00:26:16.959 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And take away that third party that sits between the food producers and the consumers, and that take quite a lot of money out of it, and created quite a… 171 \ 00:26:17.350 --> 00:26:21.080 \ Geoffrey James Morley: A fragile system that's open to shocks. 172 \ 00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:36.019 \ Geoffrey James Morley: There's a number of things that can be done. It's not just food growing, but, you know, food preservation, local skills like that are very, very useful, seed saving, tool libraries, and all sorts of… 173 \ 00:26:36.280 --> 00:26:45.949 \ Geoffrey James Morley: other schemes to assist people with, what they need. There are a number of places that are already doing this, so Land Workers Alliance are a group of, 174 \ 00:26:46.150 --> 00:26:52.619 \ Geoffrey James Morley: People that you may already know that work nationally, to support market gardeners, small-scale. 175 \ 00:26:52.910 --> 00:27:03.800 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Horticulturalists, smallholders, small, small, craftspeople, things like that, and they have regional hubs, 176 \ 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:16.709 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And can be… you can approach them directly and get a pretty good idea about who's doing what in your local area. It's a very different group of people to farmers, so they are usually… 177 \ 00:27:16.760 --> 00:27:19.110 \ Geoffrey James Morley: younger, 178 \ 00:27:19.130 --> 00:27:38.500 \ Geoffrey James Morley: It's not difficult in the farming sector to be younger because of, you know, the issues they're facing. But they're usually early career entrants, that are politicized and would like to make a different sort of world for themselves, and have some amount of anxiety about the future themselves. 179 \ 00:27:39.430 --> 00:27:43.570 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Sit or slow is Spanish for slow city. 180 \ 00:27:43.890 --> 00:27:50.490 \ Geoffrey James Morley: It's a movement around making sure that you're Local outlets are… 181 \ 00:27:50.630 --> 00:27:55.390 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Producing and supplying local food that's responsibly grown. 182 \ 00:27:55.500 --> 00:28:00.170 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And that it is, you know, as unprocessed as possible. 183 \ 00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:17.400 \ Geoffrey James Morley: we have one locally to us in Elsham, and slow food movements are part of the transition groups as well. They go hand in hand a lot. And then there's things like community foundations that sort of support in terms of administrative help and 184 \ 00:28:17.580 --> 00:28:22.719 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Help with civic assets, meeting spaces, food banks sometimes as well. 185 \ 00:28:22.990 --> 00:28:24.330 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And, 186 \ 00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:35.320 \ Geoffrey James Morley: a lot of universities, our local university in Norwich has Sustainable Food Norwich as a, sort of, a branch of their interdisciplinary 187 \ 00:28:36.090 --> 00:28:38.699 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Projects and research, 188 \ 00:28:38.980 --> 00:28:49.270 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Anglia Ruskin in Cambridge have a similar thing, Cambridge University have a similar thing, and I'm pretty sure most universities that do anything in humanities, geography, or life sciences would do something similar as well. 189 \ 00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:59.330 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That can connect into local, groups. And of course, the Transition Movement, which is one of the places where I started, with Transition Cambridge, is, 190 \ 00:28:59.430 --> 00:29:05.420 \ Geoffrey James Morley: you know, tons and tons of different projects, as far as I'm, you know, I'm experienced. 191 \ 00:29:05.890 --> 00:29:12.530 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Lots of different projects that span lots of, you know, quite a disparate range of communities and activities. 192 \ 00:29:14.430 --> 00:29:21.660 \ Geoffrey James Morley: alternative economics, you may have come across this sort of thing as well, is to… 193 \ 00:29:22.300 --> 00:29:33.450 \ Geoffrey James Morley: To remove, again, remove that middle person who isn't in your community, that takes a little bit of every transaction and… 194 \ 00:29:33.770 --> 00:29:36.520 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Removes it from your community to the other side of the world. 195 \ 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:48.020 \ Geoffrey James Morley: there are ways around that. Things like local currencies have been trialled with some of the transition towns, and or just paying in cash can be a very… 196 \ 00:29:48.530 --> 00:29:56.410 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Useful thing to do to keep wealth in the community, and to stop that wealth being eroded with every transaction that occurs. 197 \ 00:29:56.540 --> 00:29:57.550 \ Geoffrey James Morley: M… 198 \ 00:29:58.290 --> 00:30:06.679 \ Geoffrey James Morley: and things like skills exchanges. I don't know whether anyone's, familiar with, things like, repair cafes, 199 \ 00:30:07.100 --> 00:30:15.830 \ Geoffrey James Morley: They can be as… be as small or as big as you want to make them, and be a hub for any sort of community 200 \ 00:30:15.970 --> 00:30:18.170 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Skills exchanges as well. 201 \ 00:30:18.670 --> 00:30:28.550 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And things like gardening, Gardens, meeting spaces, local support, local transport to support people that are un… 202 \ 00:30:28.670 --> 00:30:36.370 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Unable to move around, like, car shares and, community taxis and that sort of thing. 203 \ 00:30:40.390 --> 00:30:46.000 \ Geoffrey James Morley: The idea is to regenerate, nature and culture together. 204 \ 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:57.789 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So to sort of rewrite our stories about our local communities through all this interaction and this activity, and to understand that all of these 205 \ 00:30:57.810 --> 00:31:09.560 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Things that exist and these relationships that exist all have a reliance on natural, or on nature, on natural capital of some sort, and… 206 \ 00:31:09.810 --> 00:31:15.850 \ Geoffrey James Morley: To build that into the way that we organise ourselves and that we interact with each other. 207 \ 00:31:16.060 --> 00:31:23.659 \ Geoffrey James Morley: We need to… so, yeah, part of that is rejecting some of that top-down 208 \ 00:31:23.870 --> 00:31:35.810 \ Geoffrey James Morley: stuff around environmental issues. Carbon footprint is one of the things that is a particular, particularly on my radar at the moment, as my local climate emergency group. 209 \ 00:31:36.030 --> 00:31:40.440 \ Geoffrey James Morley: A focusing on the carbon footprints of individuals, which isn't really a 210 \ 00:31:40.600 --> 00:31:45.729 \ Geoffrey James Morley: An appropriate measure for how to, how to change 211 \ 00:31:46.280 --> 00:31:58.459 \ Geoffrey James Morley: behavior and how to rebuild and adapt. It's, carbon footprint is maybe quite useful for countries or large businesses, but as individuals, it's sort of… 212 \ 00:31:58.810 --> 00:32:11.339 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Obfuscates the issue somewhat, and puts the responsibility on people consuming the right things, rather than doing something that is outside of our current system. 213 \ 00:32:13.070 --> 00:32:25.210 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, embracing voluntary cooperation, that's the examples that we've just seen, amongst community groups and community-led initiatives and businesses. 214 \ 00:32:25.660 --> 00:32:31.090 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Everybody, every town area has some of this stuff, it's just a case of finding out. 215 \ 00:32:31.320 --> 00:32:33.749 \ Geoffrey James Morley: What it is, where it is, and supporting them. 216 \ 00:32:34.590 --> 00:32:38.800 \ Geoffrey James Morley: most towns as well, most, 217 \ 00:32:39.310 --> 00:32:48.710 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Communities have some sort of conservation management group, whether that's doing woodland work, working on rivers, doing, 218 \ 00:32:48.900 --> 00:32:58.510 \ Geoffrey James Morley: tree planting, or gardening, or looking after verges or something. They're good hubs of people that want to become 219 \ 00:32:58.930 --> 00:33:02.440 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Active to do something good in their local area. 220 \ 00:33:03.500 --> 00:33:05.729 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And are using the… 221 \ 00:33:05.860 --> 00:33:11.799 \ Geoffrey James Morley: energy that they have to… to do something good, and that's something that, once you start to realize the… 222 \ 00:33:12.320 --> 00:33:23.709 \ Geoffrey James Morley: sort of, the problems we're facing, quite a lot of anxiety tends to come out of that, and physical activity is very good for directing that in a creative and constructive way. 223 \ 00:33:24.250 --> 00:33:32.870 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That… that allows people to connect with other people and… and… and find that support network that they need to get through that anxiety. 224 \ 00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:37.510 \ Geoffrey James Morley: so, yeah, and the last one, preserving. 225 \ 00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:44.040 \ Geoffrey James Morley: cultural traditions and adapting to new realities. I think in England, particularly, we have 226 \ 00:33:44.490 --> 00:33:46.850 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Quite a big gap between our… 227 \ 00:33:47.030 --> 00:34:04.439 \ Geoffrey James Morley: the version of our country that was close to the land and understood the seasons, and understood how the land works and how the ecology works and had stories around that, rituals, food, and festivals around it, that is… 228 \ 00:34:04.820 --> 00:34:12.160 \ Geoffrey James Morley: not something that we can see very easily these days in England. It's easier to see in other countries. 229 \ 00:34:12.350 --> 00:34:24.950 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But, you know, we can recreate these things, we can borrow with pride from other cultures that have these ways of understanding the Earth that they're standing on, and we can… 230 \ 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:30.150 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Tell stories, and create new stories, which is, 231 \ 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.069 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Which is critical for creating meaning, you know, out of the… 232 \ 00:34:35.350 --> 00:34:37.489 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Issues that are coming down the line. 233 \ 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:41.540 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So the… 234 \ 00:34:42.070 --> 00:34:50.580 \ Geoffrey James Morley: This all sort of rests on the core values of, of what we want to do, and it's… it's sort of a radical kindness, 235 \ 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.980 \ Geoffrey James Morley: We want to be able to meet every… 236 \ 00:34:55.710 --> 00:34:58.820 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Every challenge with the understanding that we are all 237 \ 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:10.709 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Going through a similar thing. Maybe not in a similar way, but we all are facing challenges that are unique to our time in human history and our… 238 \ 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:17.360 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Big and overwhelming, and that we all need compassion, and we all need, support in doing that. 239 \ 00:35:17.720 --> 00:35:21.929 \ Geoffrey James Morley: However that, you know, sort of appears to us. 240 \ 00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:25.359 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Or is presented to us. 241 \ 00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:31.949 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Maybe if, you know, in terms of acting with integrity, maybe you're somebody who… 242 \ 00:35:32.060 --> 00:35:39.779 \ Geoffrey James Morley: We'll want to just get on and do something, regardless of what that is, and it is always important to have 243 \ 00:35:40.020 --> 00:35:47.110 \ Geoffrey James Morley: A sense of, communing with other people and taking information in, before we do 244 \ 00:35:47.390 --> 00:35:50.119 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Anything, just to, sort of, be active. 245 \ 00:35:50.260 --> 00:35:56.900 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And so, practicing being generous and being, 246 \ 00:35:57.350 --> 00:36:04.119 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Prioritising your community well-being over… over your individual needs is very important. 247 \ 00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:09.100 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And it's a way of practicing generosity and reciprocity with those around you. 248 \ 00:36:09.740 --> 00:36:13.459 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And like I said, practical work. 249 \ 00:36:13.770 --> 00:36:15.119 \ Geoffrey James Morley: can help. 250 \ 00:36:15.340 --> 00:36:26.649 \ Geoffrey James Morley: maintain your mental health and your ability to adapt to these situations. But practical work with others is the best way. 251 \ 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.560 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So just to, sort of, recap the things we… 252 \ 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:40.900 \ Geoffrey James Morley: need to let go of. Expectations of perpetual economic growth. 253 \ 00:36:41.170 --> 00:36:53.440 \ Geoffrey James Morley: As we're seeing now, and we'll see more in the future, dependence on fragile chains of supply across the planet, and, lifestyles that exhaust 254 \ 00:36:53.600 --> 00:37:00.160 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Our resources, so it's an awful lot to ask of people, and it's a… 255 \ 00:37:00.310 --> 00:37:03.000 \ Geoffrey James Morley: It's one that will pro- will have… 256 \ 00:37:03.200 --> 00:37:05.850 \ Geoffrey James Morley: A lot of argument in the opposite direction. 257 \ 00:37:06.020 --> 00:37:12.970 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But there is, no time for delay, really, and I think… 258 \ 00:37:13.420 --> 00:37:20.109 \ Geoffrey James Morley: It's easier, it's probably the best way to work with the people that are 259 \ 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:27.549 \ Geoffrey James Morley: on-site, and have, have enough… have that ability to put in some effort with you. 260 \ 00:37:28.020 --> 00:37:33.709 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And the people that are arguing against it will come around eventually. I think, 261 \ 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:39.960 \ Geoffrey James Morley: It's important that we understand how much time we need to spend on… 262 \ 00:37:40.210 --> 00:37:44.560 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Trying to convince people of realities that they're maybe not ready to take on. 263 \ 00:37:44.870 --> 00:37:50.680 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But we can… we can do that ourselves, and sort of lead by example. 264 \ 00:37:51.740 --> 00:37:54.899 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So one of the things there is, we… 265 \ 00:37:55.120 --> 00:37:57.700 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Have no right above any other person or animal. 266 \ 00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:05.549 \ Geoffrey James Morley: To a continuation of our life stories, and that is a, harsh but real fact that… 267 \ 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:13.710 \ Geoffrey James Morley: The… what is happening to our planet is a physical… Complex, dynamic. 268 \ 00:38:13.910 --> 00:38:21.609 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Problem that is in no way, invested in what we are interested in life. 269 \ 00:38:21.790 --> 00:38:31.100 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And what we find valuable, and it will continue to do what it needs to do, with the energy that we've put into that system. 270 \ 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:35.379 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And, we have to adapt to it. 271 \ 00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:42.160 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And this isn't to say that we shouldn't be slowing down or stopping our emissions entirely. 272 \ 00:38:42.580 --> 00:38:47.569 \ Geoffrey James Morley: We absolutely should, but there is a lot baked in that we need to adapt to. 273 \ 00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:57.560 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So I've just put in some, some, sort of project-style, steps. 274 \ 00:38:57.610 --> 00:39:11.889 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So the things that communities can do immediately is, connect with neighbours, identify spaces to meet, identify local, skills and resources. 275 \ 00:39:11.890 --> 00:39:22.399 \ Geoffrey James Morley: and build relationships, I'd probably start with something like a desktop survey of understanding how, how many growers you have locally, how many. 276 \ 00:39:23.720 --> 00:39:31.069 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Out… locally supplied outlets, or are, you know, bakers, or butchers, or people that can do those sorts of… 277 \ 00:39:31.210 --> 00:39:35.199 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Practical, skills that… 278 \ 00:39:35.910 --> 00:39:42.689 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That support communities, and then start to ground truth it, start to go out and meet people, make those connections. 279 \ 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:49.340 \ Geoffrey James Morley: To see where those gaps are, where those… where those people don't exist anymore, or, 280 \ 00:39:49.500 --> 00:40:01.209 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Understand what people's challenges are, what their businesses and their charities and their organisations are like, and what they… what they need from each other, what… stopping them from doing more. 281 \ 00:40:02.900 --> 00:40:11.509 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And then to identify opportunities to fill those gaps, and to, deal with vulnerabilities in your, in your community. 282 \ 00:40:13.340 --> 00:40:18.970 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And then as you go forward in time, Less and less detail, 283 \ 00:40:19.140 --> 00:40:24.290 \ Geoffrey James Morley: gets filled in, at this point, but you would fill it in as you go. So as you… 284 \ 00:40:24.540 --> 00:40:38.480 \ Geoffrey James Morley: understands those things about your community, you can start to build plans and map these things out, and start to lobby local government for backup systems for infrastructure, for, 285 \ 00:40:38.950 --> 00:40:43.629 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Other, sort of assets for other community assets that are missing. 286 \ 00:40:43.750 --> 00:40:52.369 \ Geoffrey James Morley: You can start to work more broadly, and put together programs of engagement, and programs of, 287 \ 00:40:52.830 --> 00:40:55.860 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Community research and documentation. 288 \ 00:40:56.300 --> 00:41:03.569 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And, as you… Sort of get quite… far forward. 289 \ 00:41:04.370 --> 00:41:06.580 \ Geoffrey James Morley: You're then in a position where… 290 \ 00:41:07.950 --> 00:41:11.830 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Shocks to food supplies, shocks to, 291 \ 00:41:12.230 --> 00:41:19.060 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Water supplies and things like that may be something that will not mean. 292 \ 00:41:19.370 --> 00:41:25.779 \ Geoffrey James Morley: catastrophe for your local community that will be something that might bring you closer together. 293 \ 00:41:25.990 --> 00:41:32.579 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But all these things start with us being honest about where we are. 294 \ 00:41:32.740 --> 00:41:44.840 \ Geoffrey James Morley: supporting our local… communities, and recognising that there are greatest assets in… in, adapting to this. 295 \ 00:41:45.700 --> 00:41:59.460 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Protecting yourself from, you know, preserving your own ability to operate in your life and with the people around you, and seeking the support that you need, to come to terms with some of these messages. 296 \ 00:41:59.570 --> 00:42:05.929 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And… Making… making choices in maybe a different way. 297 \ 00:42:06.080 --> 00:42:07.120 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So it was… 298 \ 00:42:07.350 --> 00:42:18.769 \ Geoffrey James Morley: As we saw earlier, if, if you're one of the nodes that's far from the center, and the center disappears, what is it in your community that is going to disappear with that? 299 \ 00:42:19.510 --> 00:42:27.530 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So… That's, quite a quick… version of that, I think. 300 \ 00:42:27.980 --> 00:42:30.539 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I was expecting more questions, but, 301 \ 00:42:30.900 --> 00:42:33.409 \ Geoffrey James Morley: We can do a discussion now. 302 \ 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:52.029 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yes, please, Jeff, and thank you very much for running us through that. You prompted a couple of questions within me, which, the first is that you've come from a large centralized organization like DEFRA. Did working with them have a lot to do with your 303 \ 00:42:52.030 --> 00:43:00.509 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: mindset that's saying that we can't do that any longer, we need to move to much more community-based stuff, or was there a lot of community-based stuff within DEFRA, did you find? 304 \ 00:43:00.770 --> 00:43:15.270 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So I was… I was funded by DEFRA, but I was working for the National Trust, so I've been working for the Trust for 8 years, but it was only funded by the… by DEFRA for 2. And yes to both of those, essentially, is that, 305 \ 00:43:15.560 --> 00:43:29.080 \ Geoffrey James Morley: the National Trust is a big, very large, very complex organization, that have a centralized need to standardize quite a lot of what they do, like a lot of big organizations do. 306 \ 00:43:29.180 --> 00:43:45.370 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And we'll move quite slowly on a lot of things, which can be very frustrating. But, you know, their heart's in the right place, and they do a lot of the right things. My role was to work in the community on a very local 307 \ 00:43:45.930 --> 00:43:49.399 \ Geoffrey James Morley: In a very local context, in the River Bjorn, in the catchment. 308 \ 00:43:49.580 --> 00:44:05.710 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So it was wherever the water hit the ground within that landscape was, sort of our business, and we made it our business to make that as, resilient a water cycle as possible in that catchment. So I worked with community groups who… 309 \ 00:44:06.860 --> 00:44:10.849 \ Geoffrey James Morley: When, yeah, who are already doing a lot of the… 310 \ 00:44:11.420 --> 00:44:15.620 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Organizing and adaptation that we need to see across our landscape. 311 \ 00:44:16.300 --> 00:44:20.700 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And they're able to move quicker on… because they don't have… 312 \ 00:44:20.930 --> 00:44:30.650 \ Geoffrey James Morley: that organisational accountability. So, on a sort of small to medium scale, yeah, that sort of centralized model, 313 \ 00:44:30.980 --> 00:44:32.899 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Slows that down. 314 \ 00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:34.609 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But… 315 \ 00:44:35.080 --> 00:44:40.969 \ Geoffrey James Morley: you know, that National Trust is a bigger organization, but it's by no means a country, and that… 316 \ 00:44:41.770 --> 00:44:45.209 \ Geoffrey James Morley: We are still subject to that, the centralized… 317 \ 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:56.660 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Controls of government and the centralized supply chains, centralized energy networks that, make us as an organization vulnerable, as well, as one of those nodes. 318 \ 00:44:56.770 --> 00:45:04.160 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That's subject to, being downstream of a lot of the changes and the, turbulence. 319 \ 00:45:04.350 --> 00:45:07.940 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Going on in the country and around the world, so there was… 320 \ 00:45:08.710 --> 00:45:16.080 \ Geoffrey James Morley: there's a hyper-local version, which is a good idea in any scenario, which is what I'm sort of talking about here. 321 \ 00:45:17.530 --> 00:45:18.560 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Right, the… 322 \ 00:45:18.560 --> 00:45:43.359 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Next thing I had was I was reading an article this morning about the UK's agricultural budget, and a substantial chunk of it is going towards rebuilding our hedgerows. So there's a goal this year, I think, of redoing 1,500 kilometres of hedgerow, and they want to get it up to 10,000 within a year or three, which strikes me as being national money put towards local 323 \ 00:45:43.360 --> 00:46:01.280 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: work, because each farmer that receives this money is going to have to work on his hedgerows. And I think a lot of them are doing this quite keenly. In fact, I think quite a substantial income for farmers nowadays is doing common good, as provided by the government. So, are you, 324 \ 00:46:01.720 --> 00:46:20.930 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: looking in your advice to people as to where they might be getting money from, because a lot of them aren't going to be able to raise it locally. They're going to need some sort of national support, and I would have thought that something like the agricultural policy is potentially a very powerful assist. 325 \ 00:46:21.020 --> 00:46:24.860 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Do you… do you see that tying in with your ideas? 326 \ 00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:33.910 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah, so I… the next stage of this, I've not set up the CIC yet, something to do in April, 327 \ 00:46:34.170 --> 00:46:39.619 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But the… the point of doing it is that I'll be able to bid for funds. 328 \ 00:46:39.930 --> 00:46:50.819 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That… that can… because it's a community interest company, I would take a wage, essentially, and then every… all the other money would go into whatever community projects are being run. 329 \ 00:46:51.260 --> 00:46:52.719 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So… 330 \ 00:46:53.030 --> 00:47:03.759 \ Geoffrey James Morley: there are… there is a lot around. In terms of community funding, there's, a lot that can be bid into at that… at that small end, that sort of up to £20,000. 331 \ 00:47:03.990 --> 00:47:19.729 \ Geoffrey James Morley: there are… there's a number of national things that you can do, there's a number of offset stuff, that you can get involved in, things like BNG or nutrient neutrality in our area, biodiversity offsets, for things. So, yeah, stuff where, you know, you're sort of… 332 \ 00:47:20.050 --> 00:47:31.399 \ Geoffrey James Morley: There's some organizations that are doing things that are a bit dirty and need to pay back, and you can take that money and do something particularly useful with it. 333 \ 00:47:31.950 --> 00:47:37.099 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But yeah, things like the National Lottery as well do community grants and community funds. 334 \ 00:47:37.300 --> 00:47:40.000 \ Geoffrey James Morley: They are doing… they've got a new one. 335 \ 00:47:40.310 --> 00:47:48.309 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I've forgotten what it's called. It is around food security, and it's quite a big one, actually. It's up to 5 million pounds over 5 years. 336 \ 00:47:48.900 --> 00:48:02.799 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I think, somewhere around there. So, there are… there is a lot of that about, as a landowning, or a land use CIC, which I will be, the plot… the area of land where I'll be doing 337 \ 00:48:03.100 --> 00:48:08.040 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Forest Edge design and workshops and education about how to 338 \ 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:14.450 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Use perennial planting schemes to… to do low input or low maintenance. 339 \ 00:48:14.640 --> 00:48:17.570 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Productive and biodiverse gardens. 340 \ 00:48:17.910 --> 00:48:28.190 \ Geoffrey James Morley: that plot of land will have a single business identifier, an agricultural number, where I'll be able to claim capital grants for 341 \ 00:48:28.350 --> 00:48:30.659 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Things like fencing to keep deer off. 342 \ 00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:36.099 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Deer off the, you know, strawberries, or whatever. So, 343 \ 00:48:36.270 --> 00:48:45.430 \ Geoffrey James Morley: There are things like that, there are ways around that, so it's fine, and farmers have a ton of that knowledge as well, by the way, if you're in a rural community. 344 \ 00:48:45.710 --> 00:48:50.659 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Farmers are definitely a group that need to be engaged with a lot of this stuff. 345 \ 00:48:50.930 --> 00:48:55.430 \ Geoffrey James Morley: As they have a lot of knowledge, first and foremost. 346 \ 00:48:55.660 --> 00:49:03.559 \ Geoffrey James Morley: They are multidisciplinary, sort of experts, so they… they have to be engineers, 347 \ 00:49:03.700 --> 00:49:13.010 \ Geoffrey James Morley: mathematicians, business people, chemists, you know, they have to know all of this stuff, so there is a lot they do know. They're a very, very useful group of people. 348 \ 00:49:13.130 --> 00:49:18.279 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That currently need an awful lot of help, because that… that subsidy money that you were talking about. 349 \ 00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:24.640 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Whilst it does… A lot of it goes towards that common good, or, you know, that, 350 \ 00:49:24.750 --> 00:49:26.729 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Or whatever the term is, 351 \ 00:49:27.450 --> 00:49:37.089 \ Geoffrey James Morley: It is a far, far smaller lump of money than it used to be, and it won't be enough to protect the… the good interventions that they've done so far. 352 \ 00:49:37.230 --> 00:49:52.840 \ Geoffrey James Morley: on their farms to protect nature and biodiversity and the quality of water entering our rivers, a lot of that will become undone because of the changes to agricultural subsidies, and the fact that a lot of them are 353 \ 00:49:54.100 --> 00:50:13.520 \ Geoffrey James Morley: producing, sort of commodity goods, sugar, or, you know, carbohydrates to go into international supply chains, or they're grown biofuels or something. Something where, you know, they're in a long chain at the wrong end of it, and they're not getting a good deal on it. 354 \ 00:50:13.680 --> 00:50:22.509 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But like I was saying about these horticulturalists and small-scale growers, they can make a living for themselves off of a very small area, and farmers… 355 \ 00:50:22.730 --> 00:50:37.579 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And these people don't talk, typically, they're in two different… very different spheres, and it's very important to… what we… what I've been trying to do is mix that conversation up a bit, and that's where that change in land use is a… is a real necessary push. 356 \ 00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:41.499 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Sorry, I think I wandered quite far off of your question there, Graeme. 357 \ 00:50:41.500 --> 00:51:04.009 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yes, bearing in mind that your audience is largely parish and community councils and organisations, do you see a lot of funding nowadays that is specifying you need to be a community interest company, or a community land trust, or something? Is there an advantage to all of these organizations becoming CICs, or CLTs, or C-somethings? 358 \ 00:51:04.410 --> 00:51:11.030 \ Geoffrey James Morley: The benefit to the CIC, model or structure. 359 \ 00:51:11.260 --> 00:51:19.719 \ Geoffrey James Morley: is that it… you can operate as a business, and you can operate charitably. So, it means that as, 360 \ 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:26.019 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I think at this level, and I don't fully understand the structure yet, I'm still at that end of it, where… 361 \ 00:51:26.310 --> 00:51:31.680 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I'm taking advice from people without fully understanding what it is I'm hearing. So… 362 \ 00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:35.240 \ Geoffrey James Morley: at this… at this end of it, I can bid into charitable funds. 363 \ 00:51:35.870 --> 00:51:45.189 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Because that money is spent charitably, and what I get is a wage, so I think what you're not allowed to do in CICs is be… 364 \ 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:57.980 \ Geoffrey James Morley: you know, skim off as much profit as you feel like. And, you know, that's just a business. So, what you get to do in a CIC is bid into funds and have 365 \ 00:51:58.620 --> 00:52:03.120 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Profit, you know, work that you do. 366 \ 00:52:03.570 --> 00:52:08.499 \ Geoffrey James Morley: that is paid for, so what I'm… some of the work I'm going to be doing is things like conservation, grazing. 367 \ 00:52:08.610 --> 00:52:17.129 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And that money will go into the CIC, and I will receive my wage as part of that. So, 368 \ 00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:18.570 \ Geoffrey James Morley: what that. 369 \ 00:52:18.570 --> 00:52:19.260 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: who are working. 370 \ 00:52:19.260 --> 00:52:19.649 \ Geoffrey James Morley: allows me. 371 \ 00:52:19.650 --> 00:52:21.059 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: the interest, yeah. 372 \ 00:52:21.230 --> 00:52:28.349 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah, what that allows me to do is have a diversity of income streams, so it makes me more resilient. 373 \ 00:52:28.620 --> 00:52:38.150 \ Geoffrey James Morley: there is… I think with CICs, I think there's charitable, incorporated organizations, and… 374 \ 00:52:38.720 --> 00:52:53.219 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I can't remember what the other covenant… something else, using the word incorporated, and then charities. What you can do with all of those is bid into charitable funds. There are very few structures along that charitable 375 \ 00:52:53.580 --> 00:53:05.720 \ Geoffrey James Morley: spectrum where… that don't allow you to bid into those funds. But then, obviously, being a business, you can support your own charity work by, you know, just, you know, doing paid-for gigs. 376 \ 00:53:06.240 --> 00:53:14.020 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yep. Sign of the diamonds. In a previous life, I was the CIO myself, but it had a different meaning then. Peter, you're a guy with a hand up. 377 \ 00:53:14.380 --> 00:53:27.540 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: Yes, just one word of somebody who runs a CIC, you will have to pay corporation tax, so bear that in mind. It came as a bit of a surprise. 378 \ 00:53:27.540 --> 00:53:35.829 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: When we said for CIC, in Cambridgeshire. I'm just… but my question really is, 379 \ 00:53:36.670 --> 00:53:49.319 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: you… what you've been saying, is a lot of local communities have lots of groups doing lots of things, very similar to what you're saying… doing, so I'm trying to kind of understand 380 \ 00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:57.259 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: What actually is the added value that you would actually be able to offer a local group in that respect? 381 \ 00:53:58.670 --> 00:54:01.700 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Is to bring them together, essentially. 382 \ 00:54:01.990 --> 00:54:09.750 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And provide some guidance and some… some knowledge around how best to use their resources. 383 \ 00:54:09.930 --> 00:54:13.350 \ Geoffrey James Morley: One of the examples that, 384 \ 00:54:13.860 --> 00:54:19.250 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I'll put in the slides and I can send out to people, is the Felbeck Trust that operate in North Norfolk. 385 \ 00:54:19.460 --> 00:54:20.970 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And they… 386 \ 00:54:21.180 --> 00:54:35.330 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I work with them, so I'm a volunteer with them, and the project that we're running, our most recent project, is a catchment scale, so again, over the bureau catchment, catchment scale, conservation, restoration. 387 \ 00:54:35.690 --> 00:54:37.409 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And that's using the… 388 \ 00:54:37.520 --> 00:54:50.600 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Local nature recovery strategy map, to target areas of, particular interest to… to develop links, between existing habitats in the catchment. 389 \ 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:56.810 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, this group is me and 3 other people, we… 390 \ 00:54:57.080 --> 00:55:15.450 \ Geoffrey James Morley: go and ground truth what we can see on these maps and what we understand is already being put in place by farmers, community groups, and private individuals, and we go and find things that are also, that could also provide that link in that habitat. So things like, churchyards and church grounds. 391 \ 00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:31.229 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Grazing paddocks, hedges, particularly tall… particularly big trees, or, areas of scrub, or undermanaged stuff, or areas that farmers have put into stewardship. And then we, find the gaps again. 392 \ 00:55:31.270 --> 00:55:49.239 \ Geoffrey James Morley: and connect those gaps with, with local communities. We educate the local communities in what's best to go in that gap, what we know isn't there, what could be there, and how that benefits your… the wildlife in your local area, how that benefits you as a community. 393 \ 00:55:50.080 --> 00:55:50.950 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And… 394 \ 00:55:50.950 --> 00:55:58.040 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: Are you actually being paid to do that at the present moment, or are you doing it on a voluntary basis? 395 \ 00:55:58.040 --> 00:55:59.890 \ Geoffrey James Morley: This is voluntary at the moment. 396 \ 00:55:59.890 --> 00:56:12.869 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: Right, I mean, there is a… there is a similar, scheme in which the Cambridgeshire County Council are up… are running at the present moment, which is Nature Recovery from the ground up. Yeah. 397 \ 00:56:13.170 --> 00:56:19.059 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: They don't, well, they don't currently have any money available to do it, but would you… 398 \ 00:56:19.090 --> 00:56:33.629 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: for what you're currently doing, are you able to access or know of sources of funding to be able to do these things? Which, you know, we are… I'm actually very much involved 399 \ 00:56:33.630 --> 00:56:40.689 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: in the kind of East Campshire, kind of, area, doing something very similar. 400 \ 00:56:40.730 --> 00:56:45.430 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: But, you know, where are the sources of funding to make this happen? 401 \ 00:56:46.090 --> 00:56:47.010 \ Geoffrey James Morley: If it's nature. 402 \ 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.939 \ Geoffrey James Morley: If it's Nature Recovery, there should be nationally available 403 \ 00:56:52.300 --> 00:57:02.069 \ Geoffrey James Morley: sources of funding through, species recovery funds. So that was Natural England's last round of funding. 404 \ 00:57:02.260 --> 00:57:05.250 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I think expressions of interest went in late last year. 405 \ 00:57:05.570 --> 00:57:09.280 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I think that's the main source of funding for it. 406 \ 00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:09.879 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: Yes, I mean. 407 \ 00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:10.350 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Sorry. 408 \ 00:57:10.350 --> 00:57:25.530 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: It's very likely to be, kind of, because, under the Environment Act of 2021, I mean, the… the… the… that's why the local nature recovery, strategies and, and, and plans 409 \ 00:57:25.530 --> 00:57:40.700 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: were developed as a national government requirement, but at the present moment, I'm not aware of any funding that is available from national government, nor for that matter, is the County Council aware of it at this moment? 410 \ 00:57:40.700 --> 00:57:48.170 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah, there has been a drop-off, and similarly in the way that agricultural money has dropped off, so public sector money for that sort of stuff has dropped off. 411 \ 00:57:48.200 --> 00:58:02.139 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I think they're hoping to stimulate private investment by doing that. I mean, that's just my reading of it, is that that's expected that private investment, things like carbon credits, that are going to take over and go… but, you know. 412 \ 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:10.579 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Biodiversity net gain legislation's being gutted currently, so that's gonna no longer be a source of income for people. 413 \ 00:58:10.890 --> 00:58:16.799 \ Geoffrey James Morley: we expect, but we don't know. But there's also things like, 414 \ 00:58:17.080 --> 00:58:23.370 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I think in East Cambridgeshire, you'd have the Cambridge Water money, so they're spending a lot of money at the moment on 415 \ 00:58:23.540 --> 00:58:26.590 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Protecting the landscapes and the hydraulic. 416 \ 00:58:26.590 --> 00:58:44.940 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: Well, actually, we're in… we're in, it's not Cambridge Water, it's actually Anglian Water, and there are funds, quite a lot of funds available, as they would be for you in Norfolk, in particular water catchment areas, you know… 417 \ 00:58:44.940 --> 00:58:46.379 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Some of the bigger funds, it's not even there. 418 \ 00:58:46.380 --> 00:58:47.900 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Towards specific things. 419 \ 00:58:48.460 --> 00:58:48.960 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah, this… 420 \ 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:49.290 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: Thank you. 421 \ 00:58:49.290 --> 00:58:59.259 \ Geoffrey James Morley: There's some of the bigger funds at the moment that will deal with land use change and community. So there's a Flourishing Communities Fund through Anglian Water… well, not through Anglian Water, but through a Cambridge-based 422 \ 00:58:59.380 --> 00:59:00.980 \ Geoffrey James Morley: organization. 423 \ 00:59:01.130 --> 00:59:08.600 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And there's the AWNEP, which is their Advanced, Water Framework Improvements, Fund. 424 \ 00:59:08.600 --> 00:59:18.500 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm all aware of those that are actually actively involved, because, you know, we're looking at those, but, you know, it just depends upon 425 \ 00:59:18.500 --> 00:59:32.319 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: For example, I mean, we're looking at the kind of rare chort streams, which do exist in East Cambridgeshire, as well as South Cambronshire in Cambridge City, and going into Suffolk, as well. 426 \ 00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:47.289 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: And, we've looked at all the Anglian water, kind of, or off-watt, funded, funds in that respect. They don't actually, really include funding towards sampling and, 427 \ 00:59:47.530 --> 01:00:01.439 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: and looking at, kind of, what can be done. The next stage on, once there's been samples and one sampling of the water, and there's identification of where there are issues, whether it's runoff. 428 \ 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:11.539 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: From farmers, or whether it's issues from runoff, from outfall, then there might actually be funding, but the actual… there's a limited amount of funding available. 429 \ 01:00:11.600 --> 01:00:19.960 \ Peter Bates - SSECAM: For doing, looking at, sampling, rivers and streams in that respect at the present moment. 430 \ 01:00:20.290 --> 01:00:20.980 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah. 431 \ 01:00:20.980 --> 01:00:24.969 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Can we move a bit further west, please? And Jane from Milton Teens? 432 \ 01:00:27.140 --> 01:00:36.799 \ Jane Whild, Campbell Park CC, Milton Keynes: Yeah, hi, Geoffrey. Yeah, that's really, really interesting presentation. I picked up some nice sort of words there. I love that, what was it, ground-truthing, or something. 433 \ 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:56.080 \ Jane Whild, Campbell Park CC, Milton Keynes: Really nice. So just to move the conversation a little bit, I was interested in the idea about doing desk surveys. So, I am admin person for a Milton Keynes Climate Action Network, and I've talked about doing asset mapping before, but not really… only done it with the people that have come to be members of the network. 434 \ 01:00:56.080 --> 01:01:12.089 \ Jane Whild, Campbell Park CC, Milton Keynes: I just wondered, A, you know, how you found, you know, how much response did you get, and how wide, you know, did you manage to get your survey out there? And then secondly, would you be willing to share your survey so I don't have to reinvent the wheel and I can adapt it? 435 \ 01:01:13.140 --> 01:01:30.850 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Well, when I… so when I say desktop surveys, a little bit like… So I did desktop surveys as a bio… with biodiversity, projects, where you'd, you know, delineate an area and then get every record from between a certain time period within that area, and it's sort of, 436 \ 01:01:30.850 --> 01:01:42.290 \ Geoffrey James Morley: it's a lot easier with biodiversity, because you're just looking at the records that people have definitely made. With community stuff, it's looking at all sorts of sources, so probably, as you're already aware. 437 \ 01:01:42.450 --> 01:01:53.549 \ Geoffrey James Morley: you know, not that information isn't all in one place, you have to go looking quite deeply through the internet, and quite a lot of it is on things like message boards, Facebook groups, and things like that. 438 \ 01:01:53.750 --> 01:01:58.879 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, it's… by survey, I sort of mean, you know, a desktop. 439 \ 01:01:58.880 --> 01:01:59.380 \ Jane Whild, Campbell Park CC, Milton Keynes: Yay. 440 \ 01:01:59.580 --> 01:02:06.039 \ Geoffrey James Morley: you know, mining the internet for what's available. But I did find with, with our local one that there was… 441 \ 01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:21.540 \ Geoffrey James Morley: a lot more of what I was interested in before 2020, so before COVID. A lot of this stuff that we had, I was interested in seed sovereignty, and we had East Anglian Grain Alliance. 442 \ 01:02:21.750 --> 01:02:23.530 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Who were… 443 \ 01:02:24.160 --> 01:02:32.240 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Growing or, like, putting money towards local farmers to grow heritage grains that were then going to, 444 \ 01:02:32.710 --> 01:02:37.060 \ Geoffrey James Morley: leathering set mill, I want to say, in North Norfolk, near Holt. 445 \ 01:02:37.190 --> 01:02:43.670 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Which is a heritage mill, and then that was going to local bakeries around North Norfolk, and there was… 446 \ 01:02:43.870 --> 01:03:02.289 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So I went out to try to find all these bakeries, and none of them are there anymore, and Leathering Set Mills do still mill, but they've lost their connection to the, heritage grains. So, you know, there's stuff that is still kicking around on the internet that's not actually there, so, that's what I mean by ground truting a bit. 447 \ 01:03:02.780 --> 01:03:04.419 \ Geoffrey James Morley: In terms of, 448 \ 01:03:04.970 --> 01:03:10.819 \ Geoffrey James Morley: the sort of habitat stuff, as I was saying, in the… in the previous answer, was, 449 \ 01:03:11.150 --> 01:03:26.200 \ Geoffrey James Morley: that there are a lot of interventions. There are a lot of things that people do privately in their own back gardens or their own communities that are very good and just don't get logged anywhere, don't get mapped, don't get recorded, and a lot of the mapping software 450 \ 01:03:26.200 --> 01:03:34.509 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That's available for, habitats and species and conditions and things, all run from similar databases. 451 \ 01:03:35.060 --> 01:03:45.429 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Not all of them are up to date, and to be able to read, satellite imagery over a period of years is a very different skill set, so, 452 \ 01:03:45.530 --> 01:03:58.720 \ Geoffrey James Morley: there is, you know, it's… it can be fairly easy to say, alright, okay, in this, you know, few square miles of my local area, it looks like there is, you know, a bit of wet woodland here, a bit of coppice there, there's, 453 \ 01:03:58.720 --> 01:04:09.889 \ Geoffrey James Morley: you know, a low-acid grassland over here, I'll go out and see if that's actually what's there, or whether, you know, someone's mown it or cut it all down. And you might find that some of it's missing, you might find that there's a lot more there that's not apt. 454 \ 01:04:09.900 --> 01:04:23.079 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And there's stuff that farmers have put in under stewardship schemes that haven't gone on simply because, you know, that's a different data set. So, that's sort of, yeah, what I was getting at. I don't have any… 455 \ 01:04:23.080 --> 01:04:23.590 \ Jane Whild, Campbell Park CC, Milton Keynes: Huh. 456 \ 01:04:23.590 --> 01:04:27.560 \ Geoffrey James Morley: In terms of the desktop survey stuff, the only thing I have… 457 \ 01:04:27.820 --> 01:04:33.080 \ Geoffrey James Morley: It really is a report from… The Riverlands project on… 458 \ 01:04:33.470 --> 01:04:39.560 \ Geoffrey James Morley: the community listening that I did. So, as part of the ground truthing, I went out to find these people. 459 \ 01:04:39.580 --> 01:04:56.089 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And, you know, spoke to them, understood their businesses, their organizations, what their needs were, what their challenges were, and what they needed. In some circumstances, because I had community grant fund money through the project, I was able to 460 \ 01:04:56.180 --> 01:05:03.479 \ Geoffrey James Morley: offer them, you know, grant fund money to do… to carry on, or to expand what they were doing. And… 461 \ 01:05:03.830 --> 01:05:18.459 \ Geoffrey James Morley: that opened doors to other conversations, or I would, you know, have to go along to meetings in pubs in the evenings, or go along to talks or events in village halls and that sort of stuff. So, being local to go out and do that stuff is really important, and… 462 \ 01:05:18.640 --> 01:05:28.600 \ Geoffrey James Morley: you know, just try to find those people and have the conversations. I think that's where a lot of this comes in, is that it's… it's essentially a leadership thing. If there's a group of people that want 463 \ 01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:42.869 \ Geoffrey James Morley: to move in that direction of adaptation, what it takes is a lot of conversations with people, because there's a complex issue, and there's complex issues surrounded by complex issues. So, you need to be able to have long-form 464 \ 01:05:42.980 --> 01:05:53.529 \ Geoffrey James Morley: conversations that are led by the curiosities and the anxiety of people that you're talking to. So, it's important to be face-to-face as often as possible on these things. 465 \ 01:05:54.540 --> 01:05:55.340 \ Jane Whild, Campbell Park CC, Milton Keynes: That's scary. 466 \ 01:05:55.340 --> 01:05:56.590 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Okay. 467 \ 01:05:56.740 --> 01:06:01.229 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: A job description that requires you for research to go down the local pub, quite frankly. 468 \ 01:06:01.230 --> 01:06:02.869 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But none, good move. 469 \ 01:06:02.870 --> 01:06:08.699 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yeah, it's a dream, isn't it? Living the dream. Let's continue moving further south, and it's Sue in battle, please. 470 \ 01:06:09.160 --> 01:06:19.549 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: Yeah, hi everybody. So, couple of… so I'm coming from parish council perspective, 471 \ 01:06:19.640 --> 01:06:35.410 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: So, first of all, how do you and maybe others feel that the message that we can't carry on as we are, who and how is that going to be portrayed to people? Because I… I'm… 472 \ 01:06:36.140 --> 01:06:39.980 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: on our town council, what we're still trying to do 473 \ 01:06:40.100 --> 01:06:50.469 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: Is reduce our footprint. What can we do to support, organisations that are caring about the environment, caring about carbon? 474 \ 01:06:50.510 --> 01:07:07.130 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: And working on a day-to-day basis. And even that can be hard work to get your fellow councillors to agree, actually, we do really need a renewable energy source, as against any energy company. Even that gets debated. 475 \ 01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:19.720 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: having passed a climate emergency, et cetera, et cetera. Then my… my second part of the question, of my point, is about when we in battle, and I expect most… 476 \ 01:07:19.740 --> 01:07:29.600 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: Town and parish councils have got some sort of resilience plan, but that's about what do we do when there's an emergency, and what do we do if they're 477 \ 01:07:30.310 --> 01:07:54.460 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: I don't know, whatever. Yeah, the water goes down, and at the moment, the solution is hand out bottles and make sure everybody knows where the car park is. But what we're saying today, and Jeffrey, you talked about, is actually saying that this is going to happen. There is going to be a shortage of water. How can we… what… how can we… food is a better example, because there are… 478 \ 01:07:54.460 --> 01:08:04.269 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: more things we can do about it, and how do we move it ahead from a town council perspective of the actions 479 \ 01:08:06.160 --> 01:08:15.140 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: when we're short of resources, everything has to be planned a year ahead. It's hard work to make good inroads. 480 \ 01:08:15.140 --> 01:08:23.319 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah But that's a similar, set of issues that I'm facing with our local Emergency group, who are… 481 \ 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.329 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Sort of 10… 10… the… the… 482 \ 01:08:26.810 --> 01:08:39.070 \ Geoffrey James Morley: just outside the councils. They have one of the town councils sitting on the board for it, so it's sort of a similar thing. There's a lot of focus on carbon footprint, and recycling. 483 \ 01:08:39.410 --> 01:08:40.569 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And… 484 \ 01:08:41.279 --> 01:09:01.099 \ Geoffrey James Morley: there's… it's incredibly popular. As a… as a volunteer organization, I've not seen so many people turn up to a board meeting where they weren't actually going to do all the things they normally volunteer for, so I was really impressed with the amount of people that were there, and that wanted to do something, and a little bit disheartened that they were focusing on… 485 \ 01:09:01.200 --> 01:09:07.770 \ Geoffrey James Morley: What are essentially dealing with… The problems of the consumer Solve. 486 \ 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.250 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Supply chains that we're… we're… 487 \ 01:09:11.370 --> 01:09:28.049 \ Geoffrey James Morley: sort of stuck in. So, you know, what do we do with the waste that we're forced to buy in, you know, our food packaging and things like that? We're forced to buy this stuff, and then we have to do something with it. A lot of it isn't recyclable, and these people are trying to figure this out and reinvent a new way of re… you know, doing something with this stuff. 488 \ 01:09:28.350 --> 01:09:30.690 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And spending a lot of time and effort on it. 489 \ 01:09:31.220 --> 01:09:32.250 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And… 490 \ 01:09:32.910 --> 01:09:51.870 \ Geoffrey James Morley: The council will go along, and they'll listen, and they will say what you've said, is that, you know, in order to do this, we have to take it to that board, we have to take it to that group, we have to find funding, and a lot of these things, the wheels turn, and, you know, things change, and often it's a no at the other end. 491 \ 01:09:52.090 --> 01:10:11.219 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I think what they… what I would like to talk to that group about, and I'll be taking this… I was supposed to give them this presentation about 2 months ago, but they spent so long talking about recycling, I didn't have time. So, that sort of underlines my issue a little bit, but what I'm going to suggest to them is that they… 492 \ 01:10:11.620 --> 01:10:16.910 \ Geoffrey James Morley: May not be focusing on the things that will fail first in the community. 493 \ 01:10:16.910 --> 01:10:17.260 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: Huh? 494 \ 01:10:17.260 --> 01:10:21.420 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I think the… the honest, 495 \ 01:10:21.930 --> 01:10:24.619 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Sort of truth about where we are. 496 \ 01:10:25.010 --> 01:10:40.220 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I put those… that author right at the beginning, Jen Bendel, there's a few of them about, and they're coming out of the woodwork quite quickly at the moment, with everything going on. But, you know, there are a lot of authors that will give you… 497 \ 01:10:40.330 --> 01:10:46.799 \ Geoffrey James Morley: a very, compl… you know, a very comprehensive view of 498 \ 01:10:47.190 --> 01:10:54.879 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Why it is that you should be focusing on local solutions and making local relationships with people 499 \ 01:10:55.140 --> 01:10:57.310 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And building that trust with people. 500 \ 01:10:57.450 --> 01:11:07.989 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And it's because of these collapse issues, and when collapse happens and people don't have those… people don't recognize their neighbor, you know, then… 501 \ 01:11:08.120 --> 01:11:12.110 \ Geoffrey James Morley: That's a… that's a situation we don't want to imagine, really. 502 \ 01:11:12.780 --> 01:11:20.029 \ Geoffrey James Morley: what I want our local group to do is to start to look at the vulnerable areas in the community, the vulnerable people. 503 \ 01:11:20.130 --> 01:11:24.460 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Who are going to be the first to be subject to 504 \ 01:11:24.580 --> 01:11:27.389 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Price hikes in energy and food. 505 \ 01:11:27.590 --> 01:11:32.549 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Who are going to sort of suffer first in that, and see… 506 \ 01:11:32.810 --> 01:11:44.190 \ Geoffrey James Morley: and try to figure out something to do for them, and engage with them. Once there is that groundswell of support, that there is a need, a solution that needs to come. 507 \ 01:11:44.870 --> 01:11:52.210 \ Geoffrey James Morley: From a local government, then you can lobby with a lot more people, but, it's very easy for a local government to ignore 508 \ 01:11:52.540 --> 01:11:56.939 \ Geoffrey James Morley: One or two people from a… from what they would look at as a niche group. 509 \ 01:11:57.090 --> 01:11:58.860 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I would have thought. 510 \ 01:11:58.860 --> 01:12:10.109 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: So, in terms of catching people's attention, overcoming, reluctance to make a decision, are you familiar with the National Emergency Briefing movie that's coming out next month? 511 \ 01:12:10.110 --> 01:12:12.540 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yes, yeah, I'm putting on a screening now. 512 \ 01:12:12.540 --> 01:12:21.910 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: to get hold of that and show that to your people, because I think… I suspect you'll find there's a lot more interest, suddenly, being taken care of what happens next. 513 \ 01:12:22.420 --> 01:12:31.159 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah, we're doing a screening. I took the logo out of the presentation, actually. I put it in earlier today, and then took it out in favor of something else. But yes, we're putting on only… 514 \ 01:12:31.160 --> 01:12:43.619 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: If you come into the Knowledge Base, Sue, and search for National Emergency Briefing, it's in there. But basically, you can sign up to get a copy of the film sent to you. It's being released, I think, on April the 7th is their target date. 515 \ 01:12:44.820 --> 01:12:49.710 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: Could somebody put in the chat the book that you mentioned earlier, please? 516 \ 01:12:49.710 --> 01:12:51.290 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I can send all the links. 517 \ 01:12:51.400 --> 01:12:52.520 \ Geoffrey James Morley: to Graham. 518 \ 01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:54.600 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: It'll go up into the Norwich base, too. 519 \ 01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:55.530 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: Thank you. 520 \ 01:12:55.610 --> 01:12:57.510 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: And Stuart, your turn, please? 521 \ 01:12:59.430 --> 01:13:00.210 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: Thanks. 522 \ 01:13:00.470 --> 01:13:01.270 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Thank you. 523 \ 01:13:01.500 --> 01:13:09.199 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I realize we've run out of time. I'd just like to thank Jeffrey. It's a very interesting talk, and a lot to think about. 524 \ 01:13:09.540 --> 01:13:17.520 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: But I think my main problem is trying to get momentum from other people. 525 \ 01:13:17.830 --> 01:13:26.660 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: We have quite a few local groups who are doing, say, gardening, local beekeepers, local this, that, and the other. 526 \ 01:13:27.070 --> 01:13:33.530 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: But they don't tend to come together or work together. They're all in their little silo. 527 \ 01:13:33.730 --> 01:13:36.939 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Me, as a counsellor, trying to get 528 \ 01:13:37.220 --> 01:13:42.120 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: The public more involved in this, is proving very difficult. 529 \ 01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:46.809 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I only seem to get a big reaction from 530 \ 01:13:47.460 --> 01:13:52.030 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: our local community, if we're putting up car parking fees. 531 \ 01:13:52.270 --> 01:13:55.640 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Or we're doing a bit of development, which they don't want. 532 \ 01:13:56.070 --> 01:14:00.850 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Then they all come out of the woodwork, but, trying to get them together and act 533 \ 01:14:01.460 --> 01:14:05.450 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: together on projects like this, so that I find it very difficult. 534 \ 01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:07.300 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah. 535 \ 01:14:07.820 --> 01:14:10.519 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I totally appreciate that, and 536 \ 01:14:10.730 --> 01:14:20.580 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I had a similar issue with, the Riverlands project, is that we had really good engagement with our, land use and soil health 537 \ 01:14:21.750 --> 01:14:38.869 \ Geoffrey James Morley: stuff that we were putting out around the catchment, except for in one area, and it was, in the… in the village in the catchment that had the lowest income, had the highest, disability PIP, claims and… and things like that. So, I think there was a… I think… 538 \ 01:14:39.130 --> 01:14:43.480 \ Geoffrey James Morley: spoke to an issue that I've dealt with before in, in sort of, areas 539 \ 01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:51.429 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Where… it's specific… more in areas where there's deprivation, but, you know, quite generally in a lot of places, where, 540 \ 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:59.489 \ Geoffrey James Morley: There are a lot of people that are… that don't have the time, don't have the bandwidth, the psychological bandwidth to deal with new things right now. 541 \ 01:14:59.660 --> 01:15:01.840 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And they don't have that, 542 \ 01:15:02.390 --> 01:15:16.040 \ Geoffrey James Morley: that motivation that a lot of people that… I think, you know, Transition Cambridge are great, and Transition Movement's great, but is… does suffer from that sort of middle-class priority list of things to do, and, the… 543 \ 01:15:16.040 --> 01:15:35.059 \ Geoffrey James Morley: lower down that economic income scale that you go, the more you're dealing with keeping your head above water, and that, you know, these are… you're dealing with your immediate issues, immediate problems, and I think start… if we look at how to solve those immediate problems, or to support them, or to bring messages along with 544 \ 01:15:35.060 --> 01:15:39.550 \ Geoffrey James Morley: some of that support, then I think we'll get a lot more traction on this stuff. 545 \ 01:15:39.630 --> 01:15:49.840 \ Geoffrey James Morley: One of the projects that I ran in North Cambridgeshire, was an edible park. We called it a forage orchard in the end. 546 \ 01:15:50.020 --> 01:15:55.789 \ Geoffrey James Morley: The idea was that it was supposed to… we put in a load of fruit trees, and 547 \ 01:15:56.070 --> 01:16:05.010 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Nut trees, other things, forageable species, into a design that we didn't have to do any maintenance on, and then invited the community to 548 \ 01:16:05.250 --> 01:16:10.159 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Tell us what else they wanted to plant, what do you like to eat, and come out and we'll plant it all together. 549 \ 01:16:10.190 --> 01:16:17.780 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And the message was, we're giving you free food. This is free to access, you can go in and harvest it whenever you want, if you're local. 550 \ 01:16:17.810 --> 01:16:32.959 \ Geoffrey James Morley: you'll, you know, you can nip out, get some herbs, or get whatever, and it's free, healthy food. And we had more response from that. We had response from the local homeless charities, the food kitchens and food banks. 551 \ 01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:38.610 \ Geoffrey James Morley: and the charity that did outreach for the Eastern European community in that town. 552 \ 01:16:38.670 --> 01:16:45.020 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Who were… There's a massive problem with rough sleeping, in that town. 553 \ 01:16:45.260 --> 01:16:58.219 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So they… that local charity did the outreach for us, for that group, and we were able to, bring a lot of different people together on that site. So… 554 \ 01:16:58.620 --> 01:17:08.779 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I think food, free food, is always, always a win. That's been a win with getting difficult-to-reach farmers out to engagement events as well. 555 \ 01:17:08.980 --> 01:17:10.430 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And I think… 556 \ 01:17:10.790 --> 01:17:16.399 \ Geoffrey James Morley: food is one of those things that links us all together, so I'd… personally, I'd start there. 557 \ 01:17:16.510 --> 01:17:20.880 \ Geoffrey James Morley: And, don't know, did… Did Stuart say he was still here? 558 \ 01:17:21.050 --> 01:17:25.700 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: He's probably listening, but he's got someone coming into his room, I think. 559 \ 01:17:26.330 --> 01:17:27.140 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Andrew. 560 \ 01:17:27.140 --> 01:17:29.289 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Alright, still here. 561 \ 01:17:29.620 --> 01:17:33.539 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Yeah, I think that, I mean, food is a good place to start, but I think the general, 562 \ 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:41.419 \ Geoffrey James Morley: message of these texts that I'm drawing on is that we find those vulnerabilities in our communities, and we 563 \ 01:17:41.750 --> 01:17:48.330 \ Geoffrey James Morley: figure… we understand them, we understand what they need and how they're going to collapse. And that will… 564 \ 01:17:48.860 --> 01:17:57.939 \ Geoffrey James Morley: generate support, because it will start to take the pressure off of people. It might start to help support people with the immediate issues that are stopping them getting involved in other things. 565 \ 01:17:58.060 --> 01:17:59.319 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Does that make sense? 566 \ 01:17:59.680 --> 01:18:06.249 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Yes, it does, but I think for the vast majority, these things just don't impinge on them. 567 \ 01:18:06.430 --> 01:18:15.260 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: The supermarket nearly always has food in it, the taps always work, the electricity's always on, 568 \ 01:18:15.810 --> 01:18:17.350 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: What's all the fuss about? 569 \ 01:18:19.750 --> 01:18:20.310 \ Geoffrey James Morley: It's great. 570 \ 01:18:20.310 --> 01:18:22.720 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: you didn't have insurance. Right now. 571 \ 01:18:23.230 --> 01:18:34.309 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Stuart, I was going to ask a question of, children. Do you find that talking to the children and that they then badger their parents to get involved with these things, or is that not being tried? 572 \ 01:18:35.660 --> 01:18:40.729 \ Geoffrey James Morley: It's not something I've… I've tried, and… 573 \ 01:18:41.160 --> 01:18:44.920 \ Geoffrey James Morley: having young children myself, I find it easier to 574 \ 01:18:45.850 --> 01:18:52.489 \ Geoffrey James Morley: To put forward that message of, of restoration, and… 575 \ 01:18:52.870 --> 01:19:03.999 \ Geoffrey James Morley: being good to one another and doing the responsible thing, they're far more open to, well, this is the way the world should work, so let's make it work that way. So… 576 \ 01:19:04.260 --> 01:19:07.669 \ Geoffrey James Morley: that's been… Quite a good way to get… 577 \ 01:19:08.440 --> 01:19:13.950 \ Geoffrey James Morley: kids on side where I have worked with them, but it hasn't been a lot, I gotta be honest with that. That's a limitation of… 578 \ 01:19:14.080 --> 01:19:30.250 \ Geoffrey James Morley: My experience in that is that in my catchment, the demographic for what we were looking at, there was, you know, children and young people were at the, you know, were not very well presented… represented in that. So, we did some engagement, but not a lot. 579 \ 01:19:30.590 --> 01:19:47.290 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: I can't help feeling, though, that if you're going to try and get people to change the way they think and their expectations, one of the major issues I would like to see changed is the educational system, because I don't think it teaches people to start thinking these ways. They're not set in the right directions. 580 \ 01:19:47.330 --> 01:19:51.090 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Of course, you can always argue who's right and who's wrong, but… 581 \ 01:19:51.090 --> 01:20:07.490 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I totally agree with you, and a lot of these projects, I encourage my kids to come out to get involved in this stuff with me. We do tree planting together, we grow food in the garden, we do, go out to… they come along to my… a lot of my work events as well, and they… they, 582 \ 01:20:07.900 --> 01:20:23.050 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I want them to mix as much as possible with other generations, and I think that's really important. And one of the groups that does do that in our catchment are those small-scale growers, the horticulturalists and the veg box schemes, and those people are… 583 \ 01:20:23.270 --> 01:20:34.219 \ Geoffrey James Morley: So, you know, they're on the bottom end of that income scale in terms of, people that do land-based jobs. They're on minimum wage, essentially. A lot of them are living in vans. 584 \ 01:20:34.290 --> 01:20:49.439 \ Geoffrey James Morley: But they take any advice and any support and any help they can get, and they do… and they, you know, spread their message as far and wide as possible to try to make that sector more resilient. And that involves a lot of outreach, a lot of education, a lot of open days. 585 \ 01:20:49.440 --> 01:20:55.670 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Tours and visits and things, and so they do have a really good intergenerational mix. 586 \ 01:20:56.340 --> 01:21:09.520 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: I also think there's a ripple effect. I mean, your children interact, probably, with 100 kids at their school, and they'll interact with other people, and you're suggesting resilience and tree planting, and some other kid will come along and say, well, I think we should be… 587 \ 01:21:09.630 --> 01:21:18.250 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: focusing on clean water, and so it goes. So, I do think that we ignore the children at our own risk. 588 \ 01:21:18.330 --> 01:21:30.809 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Frankly, because they will spread the word for the next 20 years, and then their children will spread the word, and so you'll, you know, you'll change people's culture, if you start at the bottom end rather than the top. 589 \ 01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:34.400 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Anybody else for any questions, please? 590 \ 01:21:35.730 --> 01:21:45.779 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Well, we sort of had to shrink because of the time, I think. So, thank you very much to all those of you who are still with us. Thank you, Jeff, for, 591 \ 01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:55.039 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Giving us the presentation, and as other people have written in the comments section, there's plenty there for you to think about, or for us to think about. 592 \ 01:21:55.300 --> 01:22:03.569 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: If you could send me a copy of the presentation, please, I will get it up on the knowledge base where everyone can see it and share the links that you've got. 593 \ 01:22:03.690 --> 01:22:06.290 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: And the links included in the presentation, they are. 594 \ 01:22:06.290 --> 01:22:11.359 \ Geoffrey James Morley: I had to put them all back in last night, they'd all… they'd all disappeared. But yes, they're in. 595 \ 01:22:11.630 --> 01:22:16.610 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: If you could send that, that'd be wonderful. Thank you all very much, and see you who… 596 \ 01:22:16.610 --> 01:22:16.970 \ Cllr.Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Cheers. 597 \ 01:22:16.970 --> 01:22:18.230 \ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: See you next week. Take care. 598 \ 01:22:18.230 --> 01:22:19.079 \ Geoffrey James Morley: Thanks for having me. 599 \ 01:22:19.080 --> 01:22:22.090 \ Sue Burton Battle Town Council: Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye. *** ### Deep Adaption banter session - presentation markdown: ## Geoffrey Morley, Founder **Catchment Adaptation** **Novel Mosaic** *** ## Resources from *Breaking Together: A Freedom-Loving Response to Collapse* #### Key Messages for Community Self-Preservation Cover image reference:\ \&#xNAN;*Breaking Together — Jem Bendell “Kintsugi Earth / Atlas”* Novel Mosaic Catchment Adaptati… *** ## Understanding the Reality * Climate change and converging crises are driving societal collapse. * We must face this reality with courage and honesty. * Traditional approaches are insufficient for the challenges ahead. * This calls for a fundamental shift in how we organize and support each other. *(The slide also illustrates the “planetary boundaries” framework showing increasing boundary breaches from 2009 to 2025.)* Novel Mosaic Catchment Adaptati… *** ## The 4Rs Framework **Four pillars for community response to collapse** #### Resilience Building community strength and adaptability. #### Relinquishment Letting go of unsustainable expectations. #### Restoration Reviving neighbourhoods and self-sufficiency skills. #### Reconciliation Acknowledging shared challenges and overcoming divisions. *** ## Building Community Resilience **Practical strategies for local strengthening** * Upgrade local community halls as **resilience hubs** with backup power. * Establish **community support networks** and mutual-aid groups. * Develop **emergency preparedness plans** together. * Create **knowledge-sharing systems** for essential skills. Community organisation models illustrated: * Centralised * Decentralised * Distributed *** ## Food Security & Self-Sufficiency **Localising our food systems** * Establish community market gardens and urban farming initiatives. * Share skills in food growing, preservation, and preparation. * Develop local seed banks and tool libraries. * Create community composting and resource-cycling systems. *** ## Alternative Economics **Building resilient local economies** * Explore **time-banking** and exchange systems. * Develop **skills-exchange networks**. * Support **local businesses and cooperative enterprises**. * Create **community-owned resources and shared assets**. Examples mentioned: * Downham Solidarity Fund * Community Action Norfolk * Communities Together East Anglia *** ## Eco-Libertarianism **Regenerating nature and culture together** * Reject top-down, elitist solutions to environmental crises. * Embrace voluntary cooperation and community-led initiatives. * Restore natural ecosystems through collective action. * Preserve cultural traditions while adapting to new realities. Example organisation mentioned:\ **Felbeck Trust** *** ## Core Values for Action **Principles guiding community response** * Nonviolence and compassion in all interactions. * Acting with integrity, even when outcomes are uncertain. * Prioritising community wellbeing over individual gain. * Maintaining hope through practical solidarity. *** ## Relinquishment – What We Must Let Go Of * Expectations of perpetual economic growth. * Dependence on fragile global supply chains. * Consumer lifestyles that exhaust resources. * Entitlement mindsets that prevent adaptation. *** ## Immediate Action Steps **Where to start in your community** * Connect with neighbours and form local support groups. * Identify and secure community spaces as resilience hubs. * Assess local skills, resources, and vulnerabilities. * Start small projects: * gardens * tool-sharing * skill workshops * Build relationships across different community groups. *** ## Long-Term Strategies **Building lasting community resilience** * Develop comprehensive collective resilience plans. * Create backup systems for essential services. * Foster inter-generational knowledge transfer. * Build alliances with neighbouring communities. * Document and share what works. *** ## Moving Forward Together We face unprecedented challenges, but we face them together. * Local action and mutual support are our greatest strengths. * Every small step toward resilience matters. * Community self-preservation begins with connection and commitment. * The future depends on the choices we make today. *** ## Adaptation Enters the Headlines (2025) Other NGOs and political movements broadening the narrative: * **WWF** — food and nature resilience * **RSPB** — farming and habitat * **Greenpeace** — accountability * **Green Party** — local resilience Key message: > Adaptation is now on the map, but still often seen as government failure rather than shared responsibility. *** ## Decarbonisation Is Global — Adaptation Is Local #### Why this matters Reactive coverage cannot build resilience. **Adaptation is where agency lives.** For the climate majority, this means moving adaptation out of emergency mode and into everyday language: * fairness * safety * community capability. *** ## Changing the Conversation * Be strategically honest. * Make adaptation tangible. * Shift the frame. * Keep fairness central. * Use stories, not slogans. *** ## From Insight to Influence 1. 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