Banter 24: Solar PV and batteries in your Parish, 19Jun24, Alex Templeton
Alex demonstrates ways of installing and paying for Solar PV and Batteries in your local Community
Video Timeline (min:sec):
0:00 - 13:48 Presentation
13:48 - 57:39(end). Q & A
Free tool allowing users to assess the rooftop solar PV potential of any building in the country:
Presentation:
Chat text:
00:08:32 Mike E - Hay Community Resilience: Thought the Tree Picture resembled an artistic self-portrait!
00:29:58 Mike E - Hay Community Resilience: Any thoughts on how this would be affected by the potential Labour Party UK Energy Company?
00:37:35 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Scheme for Wiltshire and Swindon: Group-buying for solar | Wiltshire Council (solartogether.co.uk)
00:39:45 Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: https://solarwizard.org.uk/ - tool to tell you whether your house/building is suitable for solar PV
00:41:54 Amy Staff - Centre for Sustainable Energy: Replying to "https://solarwizard...."
Extract from website: We also work with local authorities to make our solar data available as an interactive mapping tool. This service is intended to provide a resource for community groups and other organisations to help them to look for opportunities to set up solar projects in a given area, as well as to support the work of the local authority itself.
00:45:46 Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Replying to "https://solarwizard...."
Thank you, Amy - is this from the Solar Wind website?
00:50:30 Mike E - Hay Community Resilience: Grade II Houses exempt in Wales as long as your local authority implements this exemption . So where exempt no planning permission is required..
00:50:40 Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: Replying to "https://solarwizard...."
Providing the incentives and longer term planning for PV install and ASHP is given long term support from central gov policies(and not the ever changing situation ) then it will be more likely that more good quality companies will exist for longer.Then increased training will follow. At present for ASHP and building retrofit training there are not enough interested applicants at present in our region.
00:51:38 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: If they can put them on Gloucester Cathedral...Environmental Sustainability | Gloucester Cathedral
00:54:04 Mike E - Hay Community Resilience: Reacted to "If they can put them..." with 👍
01:05:57 Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: This is Energy Local that I mentioned. (https://energylocal.org.uk/) It needs a largish central generation system in order to share that direct energy directly over the local low voltage grid (this is called the 11kV network) So its intended to function in islands of generation and consumers. Also each potential consumer needs the latest type of smartmeter.
01:10:05 Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: In terms of education , its also a question of trust, so any already trusted local community group is ideal. For specific education support Herefordshire Green Network has a set of webinars in our Building Sense project - here is the one I was requested to do on solar PV. Feel free to use these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDfEGcDX64o&list=PL5L_68o7SRVygVKk_0vm-WhuPceoJ6aNK&index=
12 01:10:31 Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: So sorry - have another call. Thanks so much, Alex.
01:12:20 Kirsten Newble Cambridge Carbon Footprint: Thank you very much. 0
1:12:30 David Morgan-Jones: Graham thank you for all your hard work
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Hi Graham!
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Thanks. Good morning to you.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And to you as well.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: You're looking very cool, relaxed, and cheerful the way.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I mean.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Was he fine at your end?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Weather weather's lovely.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: yeah, no, I'm
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: all good, I think.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Well done. Well done!
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: I think we got a lot of interest in today's talk. Let me just check and see how many people we're expecting.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: in case you're not aware of it. We have about 50 people who are never able to show up to the live events, so they all get logged in afterwards to pick up the video of the session.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Okay.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: So whatever number you get today, then add 50 to that, for the number of attendees.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yeah, I I mean, I I wasn't.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I suppose we're just about smoking what we're doing, what we think will be ready.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yeah. In the next few months, both with regard to community land, trust and community energy service companies.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: That's fine. Yeah.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So and we're we're interested in de definitely harvesting names of individuals and parishes who are interested in
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: knowing more. In a few months time.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Yeah, we'll get all that today.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Okay.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Excellent.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Just going to change.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: See where I am and who I am
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: like. Can you see the picture of Mike Ekens's screen? Looks like
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: it's 1 of those places you have to ask, which way is the wind blowing.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Well, yeah, yes, no. It's a beautiful tree.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Isn't it gorgeous?
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Morning, Alex.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Hi Tristram.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Tell you dude.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Very good, thank you.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Good.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Morning, Tristram.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Good morning, Graham.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: I've got a new recruiter, I hope, coming to this meeting
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: from you. Shot Parish Council in hot.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Oh, right!
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Very, very keen on, very keen on this, and he's he's very active now with the Heart District Council, which is great. So he's a. He's a parish councillor, but also
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: appointed by heart to be a sort of lead.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: That's superb. All right.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: So I think I think it's very that could be very useful.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: I'd
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: morning, bonnie.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: You're boning.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: And Alex, how's the seawall coming on.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: but down to 2 meters of in the trench. It's all very.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Long.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Challenging.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: So sorry.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: That's just stuff that needs doing.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: That's nice.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Mark has obviously arrived with a sense of humour this morning.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Who has.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Mike, the guy with the picture of the.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Say, yeah, yeah.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: So you read about his chat, I mean, we say we thought at least we knew which way the wind was blowing around him.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Hoop!
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Hey? Mike is a man with hair still.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Why do I? Can't I see my chat for some reason?
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Yeah.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: I cannot.
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Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Flash, go in events.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: So just so everyone's aware we are expecting roughly 20 people odd. So I'm just hanging in there whilst
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: people arrive.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: and in the case of managing expectations, Alex.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: It often takes about 5 min for people to settle in and say that they're here, and they got off their late calls and their previous meeting, whatever else is.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: It's pretty standard.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Yes.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: on previous occasions we have had requests from people which I think are very reasonable. Which say, could we adjust our our name identifiers, so that they least know either where we are or what represent what
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: organization we represent.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Soap
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: the newcomers will not have that, and some of the old comers certainly will do
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: so. We're about halfway through with people so far.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: elephants. Okay.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: 2.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Pick up
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: the fingerprint
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: this time of the year, and today is very windy down on the Isle of Wight.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: You have to learn to determine whether the outside noise is the wind rushing through the leaves or the water
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: rushing severely at the beach.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: I just do this to make you all feel extremely envious and sorry that you aren't.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: i i i gather, the round the island race was quite exciting.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Well, certainly, for those who went there a large number of them found it cancelled on them.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: Yeah, well.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: And what.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: When I did it, that they had a limit of I think it was 30 foot
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: anything less than 30 foot.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Exactly. I I think they shut it down to all vessels less than 10 meters. On Saturday.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: Man.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: On the other hand, the big boats went round faster than ever, and.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: Yes.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: The winner was around in 2 h, which is, you haven't even got time to eat breakfast.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: But it was a very dramatic day.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Hmm.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: So for those who've arrived in the last couple of minutes, we're asking people if they would
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: adjust their names to indicate where they're from, or at least which organization they represent.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: so.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Looks like that's all you're gonna get on time.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Oh, no, I think we give it a minute or so yet.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Usually
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: The the key indicator is Amanda. Once Amanda's arrived, when when we can go.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Yeah, that's true, Matt, as always. Yeah, she's always she's so busy she can't get there on time.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: That's right.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Yeah. What I can do is go through my formal blurb to satisfy the Gdpr police. So
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: everyone, please note that we do record these sessions. And if you have any objection to being on video which will be put up on Youtube, then now is the time to make sure your camera is off.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: and you wipe all the smiles off your faces, and generally look like it.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Very unhappy bunch of depressed people
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: just Sue.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: and satisfy the police that all is
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: well. There's the world.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Yes, I should turn my microphone off. Good morning, David Morgan Jones.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: It's a new newcomer.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Is he your friend?
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David Morgan-Jones: Good morning!
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Yep
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: from you shot, and very, very important man, because he's he's in very close with heart counsel on climate action.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: I'm right.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Very. We had a very good meeting yesterday, where we finally got some support from them from the District Council.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: As a result of David's efforts.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: How you manage it, but it's very clever.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Well, that's very dangerous day, because you're going to get deluge by a whole bunch of people who want to know what you said, into whom.
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David Morgan-Jones: No problem.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Alright. Well, as we come up to the 5th minute, which is I the time limit I give to people I'm going to say, welcome to you all. Thank you very much for showing up. I think we're gonna have a fascinating talk this afternoon from Alex and Alex. I will leave the ball entirely in your court, so it's all yours.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: But.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Thanks, Graham. I'm I'm gonna share my screen. I've got a a presentation.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Hopefully, that is visible.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Yup no problem.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Right? So right?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So right back talk, how do we accelerate the installation of solar Pv. And battery storage in parishes
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: everywhere.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: trying to do it everywhere. But parishes are a particular focus.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I'm Alex Templeton. I work for a social enterprise called Uk Community Works. We're part of a team led by Essex County Council on a project called
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Best next.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: with funded by innovate pay. I could tell you they are later. If if you'll be interested. And as part of the net 0
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: living program
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and the objective
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we're we're looking on. Project is, how do we speed up the installation of renewable energy in communities.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and our goal is to make it as simple as possible for any home or business, or farm or community collectively to install solar PBX.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So I suppose
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: 1st 1st question is, why why are we doing this? And 3 main answers, energy costs have written dram risen dramatically in the last couple of years. Although they're coming down a bit, chances are they're going to stay high for quite a long time, and maybe
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: even go up again later this year. Cornwall insight of predicting that they're due to go up passing them down over the course of the year.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: This is how to
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: very large impact on on household budgets, especially for the poorer 50% of households.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Second motivation.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: stressing climate change. And although we've made progress, the Uk is nowhere near on track to hit net 0 by 2,050,
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and the 3rd is is local. Economic benefit and generating energy locally enables people to retain sort of profits and other sort of values, such as supporting local businesses and job creation
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: you can select.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the bottom. 80% of just got 12.5,000 as from office of national statistics data, I must admit we were fairly startled by those numbers.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And no one's going to spend all of their savings on one thing they tends to keep their money for for other things. But basically
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Secondly, slow rates of return. If you don't have a lot of liquid capital, you're looking for
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: probably take at least 7 years to pay for itself, and probably a bit longer, depending on on how you, how you sort of use energy.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: It's also a lack of information of what is possible. There's some distrust of the suppliers. There was the rental roof scandal a few years back that is stuck quite strongly in people's minds.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we've got some clear problems, energy costs and carbon emission. We've got an obvious solution, which is polar Pv and battery storage. And we've got some barriers preventing widespread adoption of which, knowing what to do
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and if I can't afford it, I'd have an easy option to have the Pv. And battery installed at no upfront cost.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: what they are interested in can generate.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we then build a list
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: use use this data in various different ways. Typically in our pilots, we're collaborating with parish councils and community groups. We're doing leaflets, flyers, emails, webinars, village called events.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So we collaborate with the community, and we build a list of those interested with host communities.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: be installed because the property is shaded by trees. It's in conservation area. It's in this building.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We can have them enter into an arrangement where they so this energy that is spilled into the grid, the excess energy they buy that energy. So they're buying locally produced renewable energy at a discount from what they would buy from their normal, supplier
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So for households and organizations that buy the array
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We'll be getting a discount because of through bulk purchasing, because we're installing hundreds
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: projects. In one phase there will be, you know. There will be significant discounts on some of the key components of the batteries and the solar panels.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: they can, even if you bought the array outright, you can still participate in our wider smart local energy system network to provide grid services and sell to neighbors
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: households and organizations that enter the pay as you go. Basically, they can install solar Pv at no upfront cost
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and it doesn't matter that they've got no money, that they can just go ahead with that.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: It's generate energy produced locally generate energy themselves, for whatever reason they've got the opportunity to buy their neighbors.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: secured innovate UK funding and money from Offgen to development
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We've done geospatial surveys of the whole of Essex and a number of parishes in Suffolk and Kent and West Sussex.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: in Essex that's in the Colne Valley and in the Manningtree area. It's a total of 12 parishes, and we're sort of co-designing the services and the contracts and all the rest of it, with
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: with members of these community. And we're getting excellent feedback and adapting. What the offering is as a result of that feedback.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: contract set that that we've used with pilot homes. We've installed
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: solar panels and batteries in several pilot homes.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and we've got expressions of interest from several 100 homes in
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we're about to conclude funding for a 500 home pilot.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We will finalize the contracts based on the feedback from the people who are using the contract so far
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: finished developing the smart local energy system elements of the offer which which allows trading between households.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We're gonna be working with Tristram on the to enable all of this data and information that we're working on to be
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: viewed through the parish online portal.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And and hopefully, whether that will go on a parish website or some other
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We're still to figure out the details. But the intention is to make all of this data freely available.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And we're also going to be working with parish online to develop a how to guide all parish councils
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and do this with parish councils. So it's as simple as possible. It makes sense and is easily can be easily implemented.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: That's an awful lot of words. I'll give you a few pictures to go with it.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So this is the village of Frampton, in Suffolk. We just done a Town Hall event.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and a few businesses. The greenhouses, the green buildings, are ones that can have solar Pv on them.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: The red ones are the ones that probably can't for various different reasons.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the data's not 100% accurate, but it's it's getting better, and it's pretty pretty close. But if you click on one of these houses.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: you would get an awful lot of information, and, to be honest, too much information, we need to simplify it. So
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the owner of a house or a business or a farm, only gets the information that they need rather than an awful lot of other information that they probably don't need to know
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We're also, we can also do the same with land parcels and with with small scale wind. So the same principles apply that you know the the
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: you click on a field, work out what it might generate where the local supply transformers are to connect to the capacity in those transformers, and so on.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: a house, keep it simple, a house, and we do a more detailed survey that would involve
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: whether to take this forward. So we'd we'd model the roof
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: All of this is pretty standard stuff. If you're getting a
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: not exactly automate it, but to do this much more cheaply, possibly, than
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And if you upload your billing data, we can produce
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I think we're going to be making it more widely available. We hope to be making it more widely available.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So that's it. That's
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: that's a summary of what we're doing and where we're at.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Thank you very much for listening.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: That was a most awesome 15 min.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Alex. Thank you. I I mean you raised the question in the early slides of what if you could come up with all these answers to all these questions, and it strikes me you've done a fantastic job. So
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: I I find this very motivating, very reassuring and congratulations. I'm sure that we're gonna have a whole bunch of questions if people would like to use their
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: and symbols to raise hands, and 1st off the block is Tristram.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Yeah, Alex. Thanks. Thanks very much. That was very good.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: The biggest question we we've done in Winchfield Parish Council. Alex has made a presentation to to our Council and to get some reaction. And I think the biggest bit of feedback we've got is if people can't afford
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: to install their own Pv. And they join the scheme and have panels on their roof. What happens if they want to sell the house? Who who owns those panels, and and what
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: what barriers does that put in the way of of a sale?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Good good question which I didn't cover, cause I didn't know what level of details go into. If there will be options to buy the panels every few months as a matter of course, for their residual value.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: fix it out. I mean, there's several ways of doing it. If you sell the house it would come. Pass part of the sales transaction where some of the proceed proceeds are used to pay off the residual value of the panels, so the the new owner, it just comes as a package with the house.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Thanks.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Oh, yeah, all all yours. Money.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Hi, there! Alex, thank you. Excellent presentation. I wonder if there's a a sort of lower threshold for communities that are trying to put a scheme like this into place whereby
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: that the cell to your neighbors option needs a certain kind of critical mass, as it were, of people engaged in the system before they can sell to neighbors.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: N. No, because this will be happening at a lot of parishes, all at the same time.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: so say in Frampton, which has got 140 houses. We've got 30 expressions of interest.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: It doesn't matter, because the next parish along and the next parish along, and a
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So which there's 10 or so in the Uk, maybe fewer than that. But so it's a very large area.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: so the the the energy will be traded
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: over a very large area. So the number in any given location doesn't matter.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: So is the energy actually kept separate from
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: the grid energy, as it were. Or is it? It's all just put back in centrally.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: So
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Just just to kind of give that bit of context that one of the things I'm thinking about is that in our local area like it. There's a there's a sense that it would be nice if energy generated locally could be used locally. There'd be a feeling that it would be nice if we were as a little area independent of the grid.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: But I don't think that's how it can work, is it?
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: It.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: But it will probably make energy more expensive for everyone.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: it it the energy is typically spelled into the grid. It's the accounting method that is
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the latest regulation is allowing.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So it leaves your house. It goes to somebody else's house that can be kept track of.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Right. So essentially, people still will need to have an energy supplier.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: even if they do this.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yes, typically there, say, they go onto a pay as you go offering. They would then get 2 bills a month rather than one
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: their normal provider and a second from the Community Energy Services Company.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: But we know from the pilots is is overall that takes
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the bills down. One important thing I didn't say was.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: if the pay as you go, pilots we're working on they.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the pilot homes are paying between 25 and 30 pence a kilowatt hour from their provider.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and they're they're paying 16 pence per kilowatt hour for the energy
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: from us. So there is a discount
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: at this point. If energy prices collapse really far, then maybe not.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Lovely. Thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Wendy, would you like to go next piece.
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: Hi, yeah, I mean, my
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: just tag on from bonnie's question. It was, I was just thinking then, so
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: standing charges would still obviously be a a cost from the main provider. But my question was, so what's the sort of time scale for, say, as in Gloucestershire, being able to be part of this scheme.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we. We need to finalize the contract and the funding method.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We are hoping to be ready to pilot this with more parishes.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: in the last quarter of this year.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We also don't know what a new government.
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: Just this is sorry.
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: Can I just ask as well just to say so in terms of you've obviously done
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: for the on the benefit side in comparison to, how does it support reaching net 0? So if we could get as many parishes as possible
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: involved in having solar energy, how does that impact on getting to net 0.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So I think the current, the electricity coming from the grid at the moment is about
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: 200 9,200 grams
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and this is, if you're accounting for it in the same way. Nought grams.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So I mean, yeah. British grid has been decarbonized extremely fast and rapidly. But there are still, and it's probably that last 200 grams are going to be the hardest.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and this contributes towards that.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Thank you. Thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Okay.
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Virginia, Tenterden Town Council: I extend it.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Who did, who's called?
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Virginia, Tenterden Town Council: To be a carer.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Farmers
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: They just cure it. Okay?
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: My question. Alex was.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: I think, partially partially answered by your point about at any time in the pay. As you go system, you can turn around and buy
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: the sales, but if you're on a pay as you go system, presumably after 7 years you would have overcome the installation costs.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: So what happens then?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: No, because because we're the way the funding will be structured very long term patient capital. It's designed
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the assumption or the working assumption. And this might change is the goal is to give, to make any, to give anyone the opportunity
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So if, if if you were paying for it over 7 years, your, the price would be higher.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So because a lot of the people who cannot afford it are in fuel poverty, so they couldn't afford to pay more to pay it off faster.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Right. Okay, thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: So I will lure my hand and move on to David. Please.
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David Morgan-Jones: Alex, again. Thank you very much for really succinct and very actually encouraging presentation.
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David Morgan-Jones: My question is more about scale.
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David Morgan-Jones: Now, one of the most expensive parts of putting in a celly. Pv with battery is actually the battery systems.
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David Morgan-Jones: has any thought been given to
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David Morgan-Jones: community level battery storage a bit like Elon Musk is doing in Texas, but with giga storage systems to provide an entire sort of state buffer capability to capture and then distribute electricity at night.
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David Morgan-Jones: Is there any
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David Morgan-Jones: efficiencies in terms of doing that at a community level?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Lots of efficiencies, and a lot of thought has been given to this.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: But part of our remit is to design something that works now to overcome as many barriers as possible as fast as possible. Beauty scale batteries.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: A.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: They're more. They're more risky in terms of financing B. They need sites planning permission, and as such will generate opposition, and so on, and slow things down
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And and they also. If you're thinking about creating a microgrid. Then a community scale battery would make an awful lot of sense.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: But
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: are we thinking about it? Yes. Have we seen an opportunity to do one as a pilot. Not yet. I know other people have done this elsewhere.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: although wear is not coming into the front of my mind.
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David Morgan-Jones: Okay. Thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Gordon if you just hang on a second, because Mike Hay put a question in the chat some time ago, which I thought would be very interesting for Alex to see if he's got
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: a political
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: crystal ball. Mike's question, Alex, is, are there any thoughts on how your plan would be affected by the Potential Labor Party, Uk. Energy Company.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Well, hopefully, they would be able to provide some low cost, patient finance.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: part of part of our problem
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: that we're trying to address is over the whole of the country. If you want to connect a new larger scale project. For example, Uk power networks are saying maximum 200 kilowatt, which will do 50 houses
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: go up Scotland, for example. It's 50 kilowatts.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Large large scale solar, unless it's already got a license to connect is gonna be really challenging.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: this is designed to get round by bundling a battery and the Pv. At the household level that will get over
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: those grid constraints.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: For example, we've we've got a number of community projects in in Essex and Suffolk.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: but we've been told 11 years to connect.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and that whatever Gb. Energy do, unless they can
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: make the Dnos and the national grid improve the network faster which they might be able to do.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: although all the engineers I know are going. How are they going to do that? There aren't even enough engineers to do what we're trying to do at the moment.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Api
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: don't know? Is the short answer.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Okay, thank you. And then, Gordon, thank you very much for holding off, but it's all yours now.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: No problem. Thanks for that. Very, very interesting, Alex. So just bit a bit of context of where I'm coming from. So I'm a director of 4 different community Ng, projects in the west of England.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: and I'm I'm vice chair of Herfordshire green network. And and the core thing that we're working at the moment is large scale. Big, big solic for larger scale roofs. But to a similar thrust in in your direction for for the community. Is it on the selling to neighbors? Question
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: is that I? It seemed to be from what you said, that that's dno limited rather than supplier company partnership limited in my experience with groups like energy, local and things like that. It's been limited by the supplier company. Could you comment on that.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I I probably gave the wrong impression. No, I agree with you is is that
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we need.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So so the partner we're working with is company called Urban Chain.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: who have, who are fairly cutting edge on the peer to peer
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: trading.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and we've done work with before.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yes, it's it's supply company, constrained rather than.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: And and then and the other vital question, cause I know it drives me mad is resources. I mean, it's great what you've done. But how many people are involved? Are the volunteers? Are they paid for? How? How have you got to this point of enabling so far? And how? How do you see it progressing.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We. We've been funded by innovate Uk, which is the British Innovation Agency and offgen the office of gas and electricity markets.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: To, to, to.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: to design new things that improve the operation of the grid and aid with a socially just transition.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: That's where the funding has come from so far we've had. I don't
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: this project specifically has had
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: about 100,000 pounds and has some more budget left.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: The offgen funded elements which overlap with this a bit, but technically are another project. But about been about half a million pounds.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: The core of the team is Uk power networks was led by Essex County Council
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Uk. Power networks power circle, which are a charity. That do a lot of solid. We've got a wholly owned installation, subsidiary
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: power circle projects, and ourselves a small social enterprise core team of about 8 people.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: Okay? And and how do you see that in 2 years time or 3 years time, do you see these people still maintaining their present resources? Or will it need more volunteer, or will it need more paid staff cause? That's that's been a core issue for us over time?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: It's it's a, it's a real issue, I agree. So
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the the ofgen funded work.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: There's a 5 million pounds
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: application for additional innovation funding
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: in the works
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we've been. It's been strongly hinted that innovate UK. Will do something similar for us as long as we
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: achieve the milestones
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: that that I've kind of laid out with the next steps
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we are in. We are in detailed discussions with
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: with pension funds.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Esg funds, and some extremely high net worth individuals about
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: those parties have funded other bits of our work. So it's it. These are
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: discussions with people who know us and have already invested in us.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And all of this is kind of
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we're not for profit. The whole thing is designed to be, not for profit. The umbrella these are
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the goal is to enable a much faster rollout
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: of solar Mpv.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And make sure that those who typically might not be able to benefit from that can benefit.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: That's that's all great. Thanks very much. And we also have a energy mapping just completed in Herefordshire and Shropshire. So maybe we should share
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: share actions in this area.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Very up for it. And I I know John and Noah big Solar Co. OP a bit. So yeah, I'm familiar with the work. It's very good.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: Yeah, I'm a director of that. So yeah, good.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: And moving on to Stuart. Please.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: Alright, thanks. That's a very interesting and enjoyable presentation.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: I'm currently trying to get solar Pv with batteries on one of our
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: community buildings.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: but I'd also like to include solar canopies over one of our car parks.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: I was just wondering whether your system
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: would come out with similar numbers for seller canopies.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Don't know. We haven't looked at solar canopy for about 18 months.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: but a thought that
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: solar prices keep coming down.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and for us it will be a financial equation.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: If it works it can. It can happen.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: But you, you, you you potentially have the technology to
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: take an area or photograph of a car park and come up with some figures.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yes.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: Excellent. Okay, thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Thanks, Stuart, Jackie, please.
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Jacky Lawrence, Napton PC Climate and Environment Working Party: A few years ago we signed up for Warwickshire solar together scheme
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Jacky Lawrence, Napton PC Climate and Environment Working Party: and the company that won the tender
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Jacky Lawrence, Napton PC Climate and Environment Working Party: then couldn't deliver, because there was too much demand. How are you going to make sure you've got enough
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Jacky Lawrence, Napton PC Climate and Environment Working Party: deliverers, people that can actually install the solar.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: There aren't enough engineers to install existing demand. So that's that's an ongoing problem.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And it's going to take
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: a while for more people to be trained to be able to do this.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I'm assuming
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: the the, the likely incoming government have done some thinking on skills in this area
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: because it's it's it's a constraint already, and that's before they've turbot their their plans to turbo charge
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: It's a known problem
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: oop.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: It's a major issue, too, for heat pumps, isn't it, that you? There? Aren't this the number of heat pump engineers around to install the number of heat pumps we are proposing to put in.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: So the whole green energy thing is a major
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: hit the manpower headache.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Has been for a long time, and will continue to be so.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: So just follow on your comment about the 2 grams per kilowatt hour for the sort of normal stuff generated on the grid.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Is that for does that is, that's the for the network as a whole, Alex. So it takes sort of account of
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: nuclear powers as as well as gas power, and and whatever we haven't, we don't have any call power left, do we?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: That. That's yeah. 200 grams per kilowatt hour on average. Roughly, that data will be
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: 18 months out of date, because it always is. But
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: I know if you live for down in Somerset, then you expect to get all of your power from Hinkley Point, and therefore it's very what's the word? Green as it comes.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yeah, that that's that's an average. The number I quoted was an average number.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: And where is the battery pack usually installed in your system?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: It can be inside the house or outside the house.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: not in the roof, because they're quite heavy.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: they're not that big
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: these days
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I can go on a wall in a cupboard, or in a kitchen, or.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: And no heating issues. Then get warm.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Not anymore. No, it's all this is all. There's millions of them have been deployed now.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: And then 1, one more question before you pass it back to Tristan. Please. In one of your slides, she was saying that there are issues with grade, 2 listed houses.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Do you get a sense that the people in the who who make the planning applications
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: very tricky for grade. 2 houses? Are they sort of under pressure to
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: release that lower that standards or release the the houses that can have solar installations, cause I I've seen examples around of very clear grade. One listed houses, so we've got solar panels on their booze.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: So it just depends where you are.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I I think it depends on your local planning department, and whether the planners are aligned with the net 0 ambitions of the Council.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: But this could go and go on sheds on garages and gardens. You know it doesn't have to be on a roof.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: it.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I think I think planning departments are loosening up quite quickly.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: They find that the the broccoli is around at the moment. Don't talk to each other. So you've got one part of the
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: out of our council. That is saying, yes, we're committed to net 0. And the planning people are saying absolutely. You cannot put any sort of Pbas up on your roofs. You're you're much too precious with your grade. 2 listed house.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Fairly common, but like but bad publicity, and is is changing, that it certainly changed it in Essex, and a few local authorities just only realized that
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: that they were doing, had 2 completely different stances in the same organization.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: I'm good. Oh, the revolution starts here! Hold on, Tristram.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Yeah, just a comment on on planning relaxations. Heart District has just published a in a newsletter, an item that says they're relaxing all the planning restrictions on great on listed housing. So it should be much easier. So that's a step in the right direction.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Brilliant. Thank you.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: But, Alex, I wanted to ask you. We we had a comment from Jules Thompson. I don't think yesterday, but he's he's doing a similar thing in Suffolk somewhere in his in A, in a group of parishes. And he, his comment was that it's it's almost essential to have
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: a bit of for a community to find a bit of land to put up a sort of solar, a local solar farm, because it's so much more efficient than than using individual houses. So does your does your scheme allow for that? And and do you encourage your groups of parishes to or your groups of your communities to find land, to put up a a land based array.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yes, that that was the point of assessing land parcels around
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: communities. Which we think that's a really good idea, because because
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: some houses are just going to be very difficult to do, and if they had a small stake in a local array
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: that would make a lot of sense. It's still quite controversial.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Like when I did a village hall in France and sort of in April. It's half the parish really really wanted 200 kilowatts just up the road, and the other
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: half were saying over our dead bodies, even though they all wanted
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: to green. Everyone in the room wanted to decarbonize, but.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Okay.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Dispute.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: provoked quite easily.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: And how and how much more efficient is it to do? You have a view? If if you do, if you could do it with a sort of single land based array. How much more efficient is that in terms of the price of generation.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So just in terms of solar panels alone. Forget the batteries. To to put something on a house will cost between a thousand 1,500 pounds per kilowatt hour as an average.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: If you're good, if you're doing in a field, it will cost between 700 and a thousand pounds per kilowatt hour. It's very rough numbers again, 18 months old, but so it is substantially cheaper.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Good. Thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: And moving on to question. Please.
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Kirsten Newble Cambridge Carbon Footprint: Thank you. That was, it's all very interesting. I'm curious about your comments
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Kirsten Newble Cambridge Carbon Footprint: regarding the pay to peer with a neighborhood buying of power in terms of how that works a bit more because you mentioned it was limited by energy company. So does that mean everybody in the area has to be with a particular energy company. People get notified that that's a possibility for them as well, so that you can get more people joining.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Right levels of detail. So it the the dno that I mentioned. They're the people who manage the grid, the low voltage grid.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Say Uk power networks will do it across East Anglia, in the southeast. So that's the boundary of the areas that we are balancing energy within.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: if you are just buying
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: energy. You will need to sign up to urban chain, or a similar
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: or a similar company
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: supply company to work with.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: If you are just just selling your excess energy. You doesn't matter.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: You can be with a normal provider.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and and if you're on a pay as you go, you also have a separate account with the Community Energy Service Company.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Sorry is is this helping explain.
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Kirsten Newble Cambridge Carbon Footprint: It is so so basically, that needs to be a communication. To say, say, I took this down to Monaco village.
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Kirsten Newble Cambridge Carbon Footprint: There needs to be a communication to get people to join urban chain if they're interested in this, if they are outside of this scheme in terms of putting so the Pv. On their houses. Am I right?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yes.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: but we still haven't finalized what that looks like in terms of as it will, it be direct with urban chain or will for the pilot. We have our own, not for profits.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Umbrella over the top of it, so.
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Kirsten Newble Cambridge Carbon Footprint: I I work with a charity that looks at people with the energy poverty. So I was thinking of it from that perspective in terms of how you could help the broader community if they weren't. Obviously the pay as you go, and and various schemes help in that regard. But.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So, is.
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Kirsten Newble Cambridge Carbon Footprint: Sounds of it. I'm a little ahead of the curve.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: well, we work very closely with citizens advice in Essex, and they are helping to design what we're doing. And also they've connected us with a lot of
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: their clients in fuel poverty. So we're talking with them about.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: how will this work for you? What works for you those those kind of questions.
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Kirsten Newble Cambridge Carbon Footprint: Brilliant. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks very much.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: And, Gordon, we're back to you.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: Yeah. This continued discussion about the details of it comes back to energy local Alex, did you? Have you already been to them, or you've you've not mentioned them as far as I can remember.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We? We haven't spoken to them for about 14 years.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: not not because we haven't wanted to. It's just. There's only a number, a certain number of hours in the day, and most of their activity was up on in the Welsh
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: in Wales at that point. So
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: yeah, no, I think they do. To my knowledge they do a fundamentally very similar
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: thing, but there was mainly focused around hydro plants when we were watching them, which would, which were kind of limited in scope.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: geographical scope.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: Very much into Pv. As well now, but they they've been struggling with the suppliers, which is why I'm very interested in that point with the one you've mentioned but Shane.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: because they were supported by
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: octopus but they've paused in in octopus wording. They've paused doing this
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: and pro, and enabling this so now they've had to go to another one, which is, which is costing more money, so that.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: and that affects the whole promise to the households of saving money.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: and
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: but that's that's where they are at the moment, anyway.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: That's really interesting. We should. We should probably
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: talk to them because we're all trying to do the same thing at some point. So if you have contacts there, I'd welcome a introduction.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: Yeah, I would recommend it because the larger scale we can do this out across the Uk. Then it's more likely people like octopus, and the larger companies will will remain interested.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yeah, a lot. A lot. What we're doing is trying to put the enabling building blocks into place and other people will.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We'll pick those up and run with them, and mutate them as they see fit. So
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Instrument. Please.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Sorry. Just a just a quick one. How many groups are there, Gordon and Alex? Doing a similar thing? It's rather, I find it slightly depressing to hear that there's lots of parallel activity going on, because the whole point of the great collaboration is to try to, you know, not have these parallel activities which are fundamentally wasteful. So are there. Are there lots of of initiatives doing basically the same thing?
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Sorry? Excuse me.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: You say you say Alex gone.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Well, I think what what our innovation is, partly technological.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: partly service, design and business model.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So are there people trying to do the same thing as us. Yes. Are they doing it in the same way as us? No.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: And how many are there, do you think.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Well, Gordon, so there is energy, local.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: Yeah, there's there's we. We do communicate. We do cross communicate via community energy England. So there, there are links there so that we can definitely avoid unnecessary duplication. But there's also it's a matter of innovation. And what Alex is doing is is to a certain extent and innovative. And I mentioned big Solic, we're focused in a different area on large scale.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: very large roofs, you know, 50 kilowatt and above so. But I'm I'm sure there are parallel areas, and we constantly need to update and keep each other in contact us while I'm here today.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Cause. It does seem, it does seem blindingly obvious that if you can do, if you can have a community energy scheme that allows anybody to join, and covers the, you know the difficulty of individuals being able to afford the panels. In the 1st place, it seems so blindingly obvious. That's a good thing to do. The Government would enable it, and everybody would be doing it. So it's all of it. It's slightly depressing that we're at this stage of.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: you know, in the middle of a climate crisis. And people, we're not. We're not converting the the homes to solar energy. And this method seems to be an obvious solution.
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Gordon Coppock HGN & Big Solar CoOp: Blindingly obvious in the present Government for the past 14 years is not been 2 things I'd say in the same sentence.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Question of in incentives as well, Tristram, we're not incentivized to collaborate.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We we have with Essex and several other County councils. We've gone to the government and to innovate UK. And said, at the system level, it makes sense to innovate and across the whole system rather than compete in a market based
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: method. And they're no, no. We
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: let a thousand flowers bloom and let the market deliver.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we are. We are hamstrung
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: by the approach with how innovation funding is deployed in this country.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: I mean, then I suppose there's a good point about a bit of competition and a few, and it's not so bad if it's if it's area based. So if you're the only people doing this in Essex and and Gordon's doing it in wherever he's doing it, you know. And it's that. I suppose that makes sense. And you can. You can see which works best so long. I'm just concerned that at Winchfield, you know, to take our local activity with, we're using you and looking at your scheme.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: And but the question is, should we, could we, or should we be doing our own sort of competition to say, Who's going to give us the best, the best service.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: To my knowledge we are distinctly different.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Thank you. Bye.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: But that might not be the case. I think we're certainly different in our. We're absolutely different in our financial innovation.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: But I imagine in some of the smart local energy system, technical innovation, there will other. There will be other people looking to do the same thing. But most of those people will be for profit.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: so they will have a very different
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: business model and a different end goal.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: Yeah, okay, thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Where do you please?
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: You need to unmute Wendy
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: even more. You need to unmute.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Andy, you need to unmute.
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: Add. Sorry. I thought I pressed it. I did press it, but obviously it didn't actually press I'm just. I'm just interested in the fact that we've got all these great
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: plans and systems and stuff that we're we're aiming for. But your comment was that we don't necessarily have enough installers. So I'd like to be able to lobby my new in incoming Mp. To see what can be done about that. So
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: if we, it's going to hold everything back if we don't have enough installers. So is is that something that you are able to sort of advise on and give up. You know.
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: Is it an electrician that can be? Take on a course and become a solar panel installer? Or what's what's required.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yes.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: but they need to be able to work at height.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: But there aren't enough electricians or electrical engineers.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So this this is.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I remember being at a meeting about 17 years ago, where some learner professor laid out all of this out what needed to happen when it needs it, and it was just roundly ignored by the government representatives and the electricity companies. So this is a known
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: problem that we have not addressed.
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: We've got a local college, and I'm just thinking, I mean, they offer brick laying and all sorts of so whether it's worth
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: every Education Institute that can offer this all stuff or training setup? Whether we can sort of try and and
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: highlight that, and and get people on on these courses.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: My my guess is
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: given. The limited
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: things I've seen of what the Labor Party is saying is, their intention is to do just that
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: but execution and intention to different things.
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Wendy Thomson Gloucestershire: Okay. Thanks.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: I think the easiest thing to do make it part of building regs.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: So the solar panels go on. Every new suitable house.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We we had that, and then it got
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: I know.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: 16, yeah, they.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: The green crap. Yeah. Yeah.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Alright, bonnie, back to you, please.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Just to say, I'm a trustee of pace, Manning Tree. So we one of the kind of Essex based organizations that's trying to roll this out, and one of the things we've come across is that
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Even though
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: when you know, on the face of it on paper, this scheme makes sense.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: There's such a lot of education needed for people to understand that
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: it really is what it looks like it.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: There really isn't a kind of you know the kind of what's the catch question. It's such a big thing in people's minds. It's very difficult for people to believe that this is actually gonna be a good idea, and we have we. You know, we've held a number of kind of meetings locally with people allowing people to come and ask questions and kind of trying to get community buy in.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: And that's been one of the biggest hurdles for us is just getting people to understand
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: what's needed, and it seems like there's a kind of a like a bandwidth issue for people, you know, saying, my position with young children at school full time jobs, single or otherwise, parent families just too busy to actually engage with what needs to happen to change the hardware of their house.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: It just feels like a big deal to people, and I think that's 1 of the things we've come across. Quite a lot is just
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: the circumstances under which somebody might change their energy. Provider is is.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: you know, they're so personal and such a big thing for people. It feels uphill, and I think, until it can feel anything other than uphill. We're gonna keep having this issue of not actually just being able to practically get around to doing it as quickly as it needs doing, and I think that
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: the piece about education very much needs to go along with the
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: structural changes, as it were, to the system.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: I don't know if you've kind of seen that elsewhere, Alex, if we've seen it in other places apart from us.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I completely agree. I was talking with Tom most about this on on Monday. It's
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: It's really it's really hard. And part part of the challenge is
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: our bit of the industry making things really simple. One click, 10 min decision. I don't need money. This is how much I'm going to save.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: click here to to to talk to somebody who's endorsed by my local district council to do this.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: That will help. But we're still some way from being that
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: clear and simple.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: And the other thing, of course, is.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: people put cider on their houses, and and other people see it, and they go. Oh, that's fairly straightforward.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: But, for example, where I live.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: no one's got solar on their houses. Not a single person.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Including me, I mean, my roof is chaos, but the it's
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: it there, and so there's no one to talk to who's got it? Who's got? Oh, that's really straightforward! And so on.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Yeah, there's definitely a domino effect. And I think you know, one of the things we've seen is that because as a local group pace has got a strong reputation.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: It took us
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: using our reputation, as it were, to influence the local area.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: but for us to gain traction, to get people to agree to
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: agree to take part in this when actually, it's in their interest. It's just a hard thing for to get their heads around. But I think you know, Tristram, in response to your was it you? Somebody was saying, you know. Does it make sense to have all these people doing this in parallel. I think the education bit for people locally is is one of the most significant hurdles that we're dealing with. So in that sense, yes, absolutely, we need local groups where there's already been trust built up
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: to engage the community on. Why, you would bother
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: how easy it really is or otherwise, and there is very much a sense of. There's a domino effect. So, for example, I'm in a sort of a development where all the houses are very similar, they'll all be. The rooves will be at the same angles as one another. So if if you can assess me and say my house makes sense to have solar.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: Then the whole of my street will be like, Oh, okay, and they will look at it and think, maybe that's possible for me, because the houses are similar, whereas in an area where they're all very different, we've had quite a lot of pushback from people saying, Well, I'm in a grade grade. This or that building, and I wouldn't be able to do it without having actually looked at the assessments.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: So I think all of that stuff just adds up to be.
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Bonny Williams - Community Climate Action: It feels like a big hurdle when actually each person like you say, if they could have a 10 min kind of thought process that goes. It makes sense. It won't cost me money. It might save me money. What we found is the saving money is the bit that will leverage people to change.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Break.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Just jump. Please.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: On on, on that question of getting people confident, Alex, is there a minimum number of sort of early adopters? So I imagine if it. If it starts to work with it. With a very few houses people would join in, they would see they would see the results. And also was it. Would it be possible for you to adopt somebody who's already got sailor on their roofs and bring them into the community scheme so that the whole communities
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: has? Is it part of a parish level or a multi parish level
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: scheme?
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: If you've already got solar we we can incorporate you into what we're doing. As long as you have a smart meter.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and you. Your battery has a specification that will interact with our smart local energy system.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: And what about the minimum number of people? If you have? If you have, you know, Winchfield, if we had 10 early adopters, it will start. Can can you? Can you do it even for such a small number.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Yes.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: So I think, Bonnie, that that would seem to be.
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tristram cary Winchfield PC and Parish Online: you know, as it as it starts to work, people will see, will get confidence. They'll know it's not achieved.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Alex, the
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Cesc. I think with the initials you use to describe your business. Can anybody set up a company that way so that we can multiply the number of in
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: installations going around of the of your organization.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: So
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we've set up Essex community energy. CIC, which is community Interest company to be the umbrella in Essex, and it will also probably do the parishes
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: in Kent and West Sussex and elsewhere. Temporarily, we're talking with West Sussex about setting up a similar one
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: with the County Council. There
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: I'm
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: we are also.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We've got a dormant one in Suffolk, but we can activate if we need to.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: and I think the goal is to get it. So you've got a a
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: a legal
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: wrapper.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: a business plan, a a governance structure that could be cut and paste anywhere.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: We think the county scale makes sense. We've offered parishes to help set up their own parish scale
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: organizations like this, and most of them said No, too much too complicated. We don't understand smart local energy systems, or at least not yet.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: S.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: As you say, it all comes back to education.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Does anyone else have any other points they would like to discuss with Alex, please.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: I'm seeing nothing, so I'll go on with my usual blurb. I would normally be
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: ready and able to say, Do come back next week when our topic is going to be such and such. But
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: the person giving our discussion next week has just realized he's going to be at Glastonbury.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: and it's not quite sure that his Wi-fi will be up to talking to us, so I'm at the moment without anybody, for next week I will find someone, but I can't tell you who it is just yet.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: but thank you all very much for showing up, and thank you for your comments and links
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: in the chat. Everything gets put on to the great collaboration Wiki, from where people will be able to go back and pick up notes on the chat or the links that are there.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: and everything else. So it's it all becomes readily available to you in the next day or so.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: When I find a spare hour or 2.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: In the meantime, Alex, I I really think that was a great discussion. Thank you very much indeed, and and and we would delight you to have you.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: You're most welcome. Thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: And everybody take care and thank you all very much.
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Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: I tell you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Next week, I hope. Bye, bye.
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Alex Templeton - UK Community Works CIC: Aye.
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Amy Staff - Centre for Sustainable Energy: Thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - GC Isle of Wight: Vibe.
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