# Banter 79: 23Jul25 Public EV charger installation, Malcolm Bird {% embed url="" %} ### Video Timeline: |

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| | ------------------------------------------------------------------ | *** ### Presentations: {% file src="/files/DnFoSbIAxjEZvqHu1O5n" %} You may download this slideshow in all its glory (recommended); please note that it is in Powepoint slideshow format, so for those who are not using Microsoft Office (eg Libre Office), you may need to use the "Open With" facility {% file src="/files/v9xcn6KMdlc9uMhqBXq9" %} In this really useful case study document, Malcolm lays out the steps taken for success in the Steeple Morden EV charger installation, with consideration for each step through the project. (A markdown version of this document is included at the bottom of this page for AI search purposes) *** ### Contact Information: If you have questions to ask, please email: *** ### Meeting Summary: ### Quick recap Malcolm presented a detailed case study of Stephen Morton Parish Council's successful implementation of EV charging points, covering planning, installation, and operational aspects including pricing, usage patterns, and maintenance requirements. The presentation concluded with discussions about different charging technologies, implementation challenges, and potential future projects, with several participants expressing interest in similar initiatives for their own areas. ### Next steps * Malcolm: Send a copy of the presentation and updated notes to Graham. * Parish councils: Consider adding community EV chargers in their parishes. * Parish councils: Conduct usage modeling and build a basic business case before implementing EV chargers. * Parish councils: Survey local residents to determine the need for EV chargers. * Parish councils: Contact local DNO to ensure power supply capability for EV chargers. * Parish clerks: Obtain the general power of competence accreditation if the parish council plans to charge for electricity. * Parish councils: Research and select appropriate charger types based on local needs and power supply availability. * Parish councils: Consider CCTV coverage for security of EV chargers. * Parish councils: Ensure proper signage and usage instructions are placed near EV chargers. * Parish councils: Regularly maintain the area around EV chargers, including trimming nearby hedges. * Parish councils: Ensure reliable internet connectivity for EV chargers and users. * Parish councils: Monitor energy prices and consider locking in reasonable-length contracts for managing costs. * Parish councils: Regularly check for faults in the EV charging system, despite automated alerts. * Parish councils: Carefully consider charger location, ensuring adequate power supply, mobile coverage, and internet connectivity. * Parish councils: Research available grants for EV charger installation. * Parish councils: Engage with local contractors for EV charger installation and management. * Parish councils: Consider using chargers with built-in Penfold protection to avoid additional earthing costs. * Parish councils: Investigate chargers capable of future "plug and charge" functionality. * Parish councils: Monitor charger faults and usage patterns regularly after installation. * Parish councils: Consider using a charger that can monitor total power draw to avoid exceeding supply limits. * Parish councils: Implement usage monitoring and analysis for their EV chargers. * Malcolm: Continue monitoring usage patterns and analyze data to identify trends in local vs visitor usage. * Parish Council: Explore ways to prevent misuse of EV charging spaces by non-charging electric vehicles. * Malcolm: Investigate the possibility of obtaining more detailed user data from the back-end provider while respecting data protection regulations. * Parish Council: Evaluate the need for additional charging ports based on current usage patterns and potential future demand. * Malcolm: Keep track of energy prices and consider adjusting charging rates if necessary to maintain cost neutrality. * Malcolm: Continue offering information and resources to other parish councils interested in implementing EV chargers. * Malcolm: Provide project briefing, survey results, and financial modeling documents to interested parties upon request at . * Parish Council: Keep abreast of changes in grant funding opportunities for EV charging infrastructure. * Parish Council: Review and potentially update pricing strategy based on current market rates and operational costs. * Malcolm: Continue analyzing data on frequent users to better understand local adoption patterns. * Parish Council: Consider promoting the EV chargers more widely to increase usage and awareness. * Weymouth Town Council: Explore EV charging options for areas lacking coverage, particularly in streets with terraced houses. * Peter: Email Malcolm for detailed project documentation and templates. * David: Visit Steeple Morden and test the EV chargers with his electric motorbike. * Cllr Helen: Email Malcolm for additional information to help engage her council on implementing EV chargers in Weymouth. * Malcolm: Share detailed information about the EV charging project with Cllr Helen for her to use in engaging her town council. * Malcolm: Provide his email address and a link to Curve 360 to the group. * Cllr Helen: Investigate more robust charging options for high deprivation areas in Weymouth. * Graham: Follow up on the possibility of implementing a booking system for the charging spaces if usage increases significantly. * Cllr Stuart: Research the differences between AC and DC charging capabilities for various EV models to better understand charging infrastructure needs. * Graham: Present the information from Malcolm's presentation to his parish council to encourage implementation of EV charging points. * Helen: Engage the rest of her council with the information provided about EV charging points and their implementation. ### Summary #### EV Charging Points Implementation Experience Malcolm presented on the experience of Steeple Morden Parish Council in implementing EV charging points, starting their planning in 2022 and deploying them in 2023. The council's motivation was to support the transition to cleaner transport, provide a visual reminder of EVs' presence, and assist residents without off-street parking. After conducting a survey with a 23% response rate (81% supportive), they identified 63 premises within a 5-minute walk of the recreation ground that lacked off-street parking. Malcolm noted that while the project was not intended to be profit-driven, the financial modeling suggested it could be sustainable, with cautious pricing and careful management of costs. #### Electric Vehicle Charger Selection Guide Malcolm discussed the different types of electric vehicle chargers available, explaining that AC chargers are cheaper and simpler, while DC chargers are more expensive and typically used for rapid charging en route. He recommended a 7-kilowatt AC charger for their needs, as it doesn't require a card reader and is suitable for vehicles that can accept 11 kilowatts. Malcolm also highlighted the importance of choosing a dual-outlet, commercial-grade charger that can withstand harsh conditions, and mentioned the upcoming "Plug and Charge" standard that will simplify the charging process by allowing vehicles to automatically communicate with the charger and payment method. #### EV Charging Station Implementation Plan Malcolm discussed the implementation of an EV charging station, explaining that users would need a specific app on their phones to start and finish sessions. He described the location decision to use the recreation ground's car park, creating two new designated parking spaces for EV charging. Malcolm emphasized the need for internet connectivity, mobile coverage, and potentially CCTV for security. He decided against hiring a third-party company to manage the project, opting instead for a more hands-on approach with local contractors. The Parish Council agreed to contribute up to £4,000, with the understanding that additional grant funding would be necessary. Malcolm advised that grants are subject to change, so it's important to research current options. The next steps include contacting the local DNO to confirm the supply capacity for the village hall. #### Electric Vehicle Charger Installation Overview Malcolm discussed the installation and operation of an electric vehicle charger, highlighting key technical aspects such as power monitoring, earthing protection, and the importance of working with knowledgeable electrical contractors. He explained the role of backend processing organizations for billing and management, as well as the significance of clear signage and promoting the charger through local media and registration with platforms like Zapmap. Malcolm noted that the project, funded by grants from the DfT and South Cambridgeshire District Council, faced a delay due to grant processing but ultimately went live in March 2023, with a total cost of £13.5K and £10K in grants received. #### EV Charger Project Status Review Malcolm presented an overview of the community EV charger project, highlighting usage patterns, costs, and operational challenges. He noted that while usage has gradually increased, the system is not yet profitable, with running costs balancing revenue. Malcolm emphasized the importance of proper maintenance, data connectivity, and signage, as well as the need for the clerk to have the general power of competence to manage the charging system. He also mentioned that the charger has been used by some local residents transitioning to electric vehicles, achieving one of the project's goals. #### Electric Vehicle Charging Pricing Analysis Malcolm explained that they charge 49 pence per kilowatt hour for electric vehicle charging, which is higher than their electricity provider's rate of 22-25 pence but remains constant. He noted that about 80% of users appear to be local residents, with the remaining 20% being occasional visitors. Usage patterns vary throughout the day, with longer sessions typically occurring in the evening and overnight, while shorter sessions are more evenly distributed across the day. #### EV Charging Infrastructure Overview Malcolm presented an overview of the electric vehicle charging infrastructure installed by Stephen Warden Parish Council. He explained the installation process, usage patterns, and experiences with the system. The council used Curv 360 as the backend provider and found the setup to be seamless. Malcolm noted that the two charging ports were sufficient for the area's needs, with occasional misuse by non-electric vehicle owners. The council has not experienced significant vandalism or issues, and the system is covered by insurance. Helen, a town councillor, expressed interest in implementing a similar system in Weymouth and sought information on the tender process and costs. Malcolm shared details on the installation process and mentioned the availability of robust charging options for challenging areas. #### Electric Vehicle Charging Options Discussed Malcolm explained the differences between AC and DC charging for electric vehicles, noting that while DC charging can reach higher speeds, AC charging is more cost-effective for parish councils. He discussed the limitations of AC charging, including the need for card readers above 8 kilowatts and the fact that most cars are limited to 11 kilowatts due to their inverter capacity. The group also touched on the availability of fast-charging infrastructure and the potential for off-grid charging solutions, though Malcolm suggested these were not suitable for parish councils. *** ### Chat: 00:26:27 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Latest info on Plug and Charge (from 6 days ago…..):
00:54:44 Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Do you have a system for people to book?
00:58:29 Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Do you have a link for kerb360
01:00:55 Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Malcolm can you put the your email in the chat please
01:04:12 Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Electric Vehicle Chargepoint Grant for Households with On-Street Parking 3 April 2026 \ 01:04:16 David newman (Blackbird Leys): Blink charging seems to have disappeared, turning off my nearest chargers.
01:05:57 David newman (Blackbird Leys): How about a monthly subscription giving cheap charging at night and booking slots?
01:06:59 Rachel Brody - Essex County Council: Sorry, I need to leave to go to another meeting. Great session and really interesting to hear how the PC have gone about installing. I'm from the EV team at Essex County Council and we're in the process of planning our delivery of the Local Electric Vehicle Infrastructure fund. We're keen to work with parish councils and third party land owners on installing charge points on their land. thanks
01:11:12 David newman (Blackbird Leys): I did a search. Max AC charge rates for many models are now 22 kW (depends on car size)
01:11:25 Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Chancellor of the Exchequer Rachel Reeves has announced a £55m boost for on-street charging *** ### Speech-to-text (for AI search) 122\ 00:12:18.150 --> 00:12:33.520\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: So I think nearly everybody online has been here before. But I will just mention that there is a Q\&A session to follow, so please feel free to join in after that, and if you have comments or suggestions or links, then the chat 123\ 00:12:33.690 --> 00:12:36.729\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: column is by far the most appreciated 124\ 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:47.019\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: place to put them. So thank you. So, Malcolm, we're way past the usual start time. So may I hand over to you, and perhaps you could go ahead and wow us, please. 125\ 00:12:49.020 --> 00:12:53.631\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Well, okay, well, we can can try. I'm not sure. So shall I start by 126\ 00:12:54.040 --> 00:12:56.590\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): doing the share, then, and let's see. 127\ 00:12:56.590 --> 00:12:57.440\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Yes. 128\ 00:12:57.710 --> 00:13:01.299\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Whether we get the right one here. 129\ 00:13:02.390 --> 00:13:05.360\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So I think it's going to be that one. 130\ 00:13:06.950 --> 00:13:08.859\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So has that come up with a. 131\ 00:13:08.860 --> 00:13:10.200\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Yes, it's looking good. 132\ 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:12.780\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): That's looking good. That's encouraging, isn't it? 133\ 00:13:12.780 --> 00:13:13.430\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Hmm. 134\ 00:13:13.640 --> 00:13:20.269\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Okay, well, thank you very much for inviting me to to talk about this. I'm aware. 135\ 00:13:20.860 --> 00:13:22.079\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): that if you 136\ 00:13:22.300 --> 00:13:45.619\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Parish councils are thinking of adding a few community ev charges in their parish, and I've been contacted by a few, and we've had a chat about it which is good, but always useful to do a sort of presentation on it to help if I can. But I'm aware that we actually started looking at this at 2022 137\ 00:13:46.191 --> 00:13:55.160\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and implemented it in 2023. It's a rapidly changing environment. So 138\ 00:13:55.490 --> 00:14:08.560\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): things may have changed a little. On the other hand, we can also have a little look at how things have gone and what we've learned from that. So there's pros and cons to coming at it after a couple of years. 139\ 00:14:08.780 --> 00:14:15.690\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So with that, let's move on if we can. 140\ 00:14:16.520 --> 00:14:17.235\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): To 141\ 00:14:18.420 --> 00:14:26.440\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): The 1st question that one sort of asks himself is, is, why are we doing this, and 142\ 00:14:26.590 --> 00:14:31.690\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): when I'm talking here I'm talking on behalf of the Stephen Morton Parish Council. 143\ 00:14:32.626 --> 00:14:37.450\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We are tucked right at the bottom left of 144\ 00:14:37.570 --> 00:14:41.929\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Cambridge. Here right on the boundary with 2 other 145\ 00:14:42.710 --> 00:14:50.769\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): councils or counties. Sorry, but our thought on Evs was that we 146\ 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:55.210\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): we're keen to promote the transition to cleaner transport. 147\ 00:14:55.390 --> 00:15:01.580\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We thought that by doing something we would show that support 148\ 00:15:01.750 --> 00:15:05.479\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): be a visual reminder that Evs are coming. 149\ 00:15:06.123 --> 00:15:18.250\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We were also aware that we do have homes in the village that don't have a driveway. So by having charges in the village that might help them. 150\ 00:15:18.770 --> 00:15:40.470\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and we were quite clear from the outset that we didn't want to necessarily use this as a money making activity. But equally we didn't want it to become a drain on our resources either. So that was sort of the background. We we bound it around as as one of the possible projects that the Parish Council could look at. 151\ 00:15:40.920 --> 00:15:46.160\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and we said, yes, let's let's let's have a go. Let's see what we can. We can find. 152\ 00:15:48.250 --> 00:15:55.680\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): That led us on to doing some usage, modeling and building a basic business case 153\ 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.339\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): to say, Well, are we likely to be able to do this at all. 154\ 00:16:01.100 --> 00:16:06.850\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and not have ongoing costs that ruin the Parish council. 155\ 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:24.410\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And of course this is a very difficult thing to do, because you have to estimate how many cars might want to charge, how long they might want to charge for all of those sorts of things, but we felt it was a useful exercise. It got us thinking about all of the different costs involved 156\ 00:16:24.650 --> 00:16:28.040\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and how they they fitted together. 157\ 00:16:28.400 --> 00:16:45.739\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And interestingly, we, we guess that it would start quite slowly and gradually build. And so we we had a a time in in 2023, and then another look in 2030. I think we were looking at 158\ 00:16:46.569 --> 00:16:50.810\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): to to see what it how it might grow. 159\ 00:16:51.650 --> 00:16:57.120\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and we were also at this stage, looking at what sort of price we might be charging 160\ 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:01.100\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): for the electricity, and how much we might be paying for it. 161\ 00:17:01.590 --> 00:17:04.940\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): but that indicated to us that. 162\ 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:11.749\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): being fairly cautious, we could see that we could make the books balance. 163\ 00:17:12.510 --> 00:17:16.819\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): although clearly there are some risks associated with that 164\ 00:17:17.427 --> 00:17:25.659\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): but at the end of the day those risks, you could see weren't actually too big, so that gave us some confidence to 165\ 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:36.009\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): to move on. It's worth saying that we felt that they were going to be. We were going to be putting these in at the recreation ground. There was a fairly large car park there. 166\ 00:17:36.190 --> 00:17:52.009\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): It's within a 5 min walk of quite a large number of the houses in the village, but it could be used by, therefore, the charges could be used by people who were visiting the the recreation ground, the village hall, or the sports facilities 167\ 00:17:53.590 --> 00:17:59.179\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and they they could also somebody could leave a car there for for longer times, if if necessary. 168\ 00:18:00.530 --> 00:18:12.930\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So we then thought, well, we are bound to be asked by any grant funders that we ask, you know, have we actually determined that there is a need for this? 169\ 00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:17.989\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So we did a survey, and we 170\ 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:34.450\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): think we got to all 450 households, because we actually in the end, I think, posted a little notice through everybody's door, asking people to do the survey, either by paper and returning it through the post office 171\ 00:18:34.700 --> 00:18:41.300\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): or by doing it online, we actually got a 23% response rate 172\ 00:18:41.610 --> 00:19:00.869\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and 81% of those were positive they thought, Nope, that would be a good idea. And interestingly, over 50% of the respondents were saying that they were considering buying a battery electric vehicle in the next few years. So this was back in 2022. So that was quite positive. 173\ 00:19:02.190 --> 00:19:17.150\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And they a lot of people also recognized. They did have visitors, and their visitors were beginning to ask them, you know, was there somewhere local that they could charge their car so that also looked like a a quite a good use case as well. 174\ 00:19:17.910 --> 00:19:23.450\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We also determined by various means. 175\ 00:19:24.373 --> 00:19:34.709\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): primarily wandering around and counting that there were 63 premises within a 5 min walking distance of the recreation ground that did not have 176\ 00:19:35.728 --> 00:19:45.290\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): off street parking. So they only had on street parking, so that made them good candidates as well for for potentially using this facility. 177\ 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:53.660\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So we felt that was that was all pretty positive. The question then, was, well, what shall we install? 178\ 00:19:53.830 --> 00:19:59.760\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And this is where it starts getting very complicated, because there are literally hundreds of 179\ 00:20:00.230 --> 00:20:18.390\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): charges available on the market. All sorts of shapes and sizes and speeds, and so on. The crucial step is that there are A/C. Chargers and DC. Charges. The A/C. Charges are much cheaper, much simpler. 180\ 00:20:18.670 --> 00:20:26.010\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): They tend to be the slower ones, and the DC. Chargers are the big, powerful, expensive ones. 181\ 00:20:27.360 --> 00:20:31.130\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And those DC charges tend to be used 182\ 00:20:31.490 --> 00:20:40.040\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): on route charging. So they're at the motorway service stations and other big hubs where there are lots and lots of charges for people 183\ 00:20:40.250 --> 00:20:47.999\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): moving on through the day, who therefore, need to arrive, charge for half an hour or so, and then be off on their way again. 184\ 00:20:48.470 --> 00:20:59.530\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We didn't feel the that that rapid charging rate, was the usage model that we were looking for, and therefore an A/C charger was going to be suitable for us. 185\ 00:21:00.020 --> 00:21:08.219\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): If that's the case, the next step is well. Do you have a single phase, power supply, or a 3 phase power supply available? 186\ 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:15.700\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): If you have 3 phase, then you can have a 22 kilowatt A/C charger. 187\ 00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:22.540\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): although most cars can only accept 11 kilowatts of A/C 188\ 00:21:23.219 --> 00:21:28.110\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): so maybe a 22 kilowatt charger is a little bit over the top. 189\ 00:21:28.997 --> 00:21:34.879\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But a single phase will allow a 7 kilowatt charger. Those are the the common ones. 190\ 00:21:36.090 --> 00:21:37.050\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And 191\ 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:49.230\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): another aspect of this is that if it's less than 8 kilowatt charger. Then you don't have to have a card, reader, a credit card or 192\ 00:21:49.560 --> 00:21:51.169\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): debit card reader 193\ 00:21:51.450 --> 00:21:59.300\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): as a payment method, and those readers are quite expensive both to install and to operate. So 194\ 00:21:59.750 --> 00:22:12.300\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): going for a 7 kilowatt charger is is quite sensible. If people have got a bit of time, so they're going to be on site for a few hours. Then a 7 kilowatt charger is is well suited to them. 195\ 00:22:12.730 --> 00:22:20.930\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But we did want a commercial grade charger, one that was going to take a bit of knocking about and standing out in the rain, and so on. 196\ 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:26.900\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We wanted more than one outlet. So we were looking for a dual outlet charger. 197\ 00:22:28.210 --> 00:22:31.419\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and we wanted it to be easy to use. 198\ 00:22:32.790 --> 00:22:46.219\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): I've also, I've mentioned at this point the charging method, and if any of you have a battery electric vehicle, you'll know how annoying it is that you can't just rock up to a charger 199\ 00:22:46.430 --> 00:22:50.070\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and always use a credit card or 200\ 00:22:50.520 --> 00:22:55.810\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): an app, or anything else. It tends to be a complete variety of methods. 201\ 00:22:56.390 --> 00:23:10.399\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Now there is a standard coming along that is going to sort this out. It's part of Iso 15, 1, 1, 8, and it's called plug and charge. And what it will mean is that 202\ 00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:19.059\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): a person in a car will register the card, register the car to a card. 203\ 00:23:19.220 --> 00:23:31.819\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and so when that car comes to a charger and they plug it in the car and the charger know where the money is going to come from, so nothing else needs to happen. 204\ 00:23:32.130 --> 00:23:39.340\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Now, if anybody has a Tesla, they will know that. That is how that works. And it's a very, very simple experience. 205\ 00:23:39.470 --> 00:23:43.629\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Other cars at the moment don't typically have that. 206\ 00:23:43.870 --> 00:23:57.820\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And the charges can't yet support it. So it is a future, although it is beginning to happen. There are something like 20 manufacturers now building their Bevs with the right software installed. 207\ 00:23:57.950 --> 00:24:23.889\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and when you are buying a charger, it's worth asking whether it is going to be capable of running plug and charge in the future, because surely that must be the way of going literally turn up plug in nothing to do, no cards to tap, no apps to use nothing else. So it looks like a very good future, but we're not quite there yet. Be ready for it. 208\ 00:24:24.270 --> 00:24:45.750\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): In the meantime you'll have to do something else, and we didn't want to go with installing a card, reader. So we have had to accept that users have to have a particular app on their phone, and from that app they can start a session and finish a session, and and so on. 209\ 00:24:47.190 --> 00:24:51.510\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So that's worthy of thought, and maybe worth a discussion. A little later on. 210\ 00:24:53.570 --> 00:25:07.320\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): next question was where to locate it, and I said we were going to put this up at our recreation ground. We have quite a large car park there already, but we know that at times it becomes very full. 211\ 00:25:07.610 --> 00:25:23.390\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): especially when there are football matches and tennis matches and things on, so we didn't want to go and use some of that space and have people complaining at us that we had made the car park smaller. 212\ 00:25:23.530 --> 00:25:27.550\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So we opened up 2 new parking spaces 213\ 00:25:27.730 --> 00:25:33.440\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and label those, as you know. Please leave these for ev charging. 214\ 00:25:33.730 --> 00:25:41.340\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and I think that's that was pretty well received and has been reasonably well 215\ 00:25:41.510 --> 00:25:44.620\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): adhered to. We haven't had too many people 216\ 00:25:45.230 --> 00:25:48.659\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): going and parking in these slots when when they really shouldn't. 217\ 00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:53.000\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But of course these locations need to be 218\ 00:25:53.190 --> 00:25:55.850\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): near enough to a power supply. 219\ 00:25:56.210 --> 00:26:08.250\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): You do need to have mobile coverage or Wi-fi coverage, and they need you need to be able to get Internet to them because the charges will need to be online. 220\ 00:26:08.490 --> 00:26:23.819\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Some of them can operate through a mobile SIM card that you could pop in there. But that's never particularly reliable. So my recommendation would always be to run a data cable from a source of the Internet. 221\ 00:26:24.330 --> 00:26:37.839\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and the other consideration would be, you know, have you got CCTV. Where you're going to do this? If so, you know, it's useful to make sure there is a camera pointed in the in the right direction, just in case something should ever happen. 222\ 00:26:39.060 --> 00:26:42.139\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So that dealt with our you know where to locate. 223\ 00:26:42.792 --> 00:27:01.030\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Then it came down to Well, how how do you get around doing this and the the major question is, well, do you just get organized with the company to do it all? Or do you try and run the process yourself and and get contractors in. 224\ 00:27:01.660 --> 00:27:07.519\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): There are organizations that will just come out. Have a look at your environment. 225\ 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:12.590\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): make a guess themselves at a business case and take the whole thing on. 226\ 00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:16.420\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): they will run it all, and so on. 227\ 00:27:16.620 --> 00:27:22.520\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): They sometimes need some payments or some guarantee of payment. 228\ 00:27:23.224 --> 00:27:30.830\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But sometimes, if they think there really is a very good opportunity there, then they might be prepared to do it without chance for the 229\ 00:27:31.010 --> 00:27:51.119\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Parish council. So it's worth considering that. But our view was that after talking to a few of them, it was quite clear that we were going to totally lose any control of it. They were just going to do what they were going to do, and that might suit some. We decided we wanted a little bit more hands on than that. 230\ 00:27:52.124 --> 00:28:00.190\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So we we decided that we would engage with contractors, and we would manage the process ourselves. 231\ 00:28:00.390 --> 00:28:06.820\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Luckily, local contractors, we we found were were very helpful, very keen, to to do it, very keen to help 232\ 00:28:07.290 --> 00:28:18.529\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): the P. The Parish Council at this stage said, Okay, we've done enough research. We know what we want to do. We know how we want to do it. We'll contribute. We can contribute up to 4,000 pounds, but 233\ 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:24.479\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): it's going to cost more than that. So we knew that grant funding was going to be a requirement. 234\ 00:28:24.740 --> 00:28:30.449\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and that was one of the the next steps to to work out exactly 235\ 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:32.410\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): what was around at the time. 236\ 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:50.919\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): It became clear, by the way, that we'll come on to grants a little bit more in in a moment that grants are around. But they they're changing. So you have to make sure that you understand what's available at anyone on time. 237\ 00:28:51.700 --> 00:29:00.739\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So we then get on to the sort of project planning, and so on. We knew that we needed to contact the local dno 238\ 00:29:01.366 --> 00:29:06.259\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): to to make sure that our supply that was, in fact, coming to 239\ 00:29:06.490 --> 00:29:11.670\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): relatively the village Hall was capable of supplying us 240\ 00:29:12.169 --> 00:29:16.959\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and therefore you need to make sure this is a 100 amp supply coming in. 241\ 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:19.270\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): The 242\ 00:29:19.550 --> 00:29:35.170\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): that reminds me of something. On on choosing a charger, you will find that some chargers are able to monitor that total power being drawn from the grid, and if 243\ 00:29:35.310 --> 00:29:36.300\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): other 244\ 00:29:36.740 --> 00:29:58.840\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): users of that power supply are drawing quite a lot, perhaps they've got ovens on doing other things, then the Ev charger can cut itself back in what it provides to a car, so that you never exceed a particular limit you can set, and so we made sure that we had a charger that could do that. 245\ 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:10.609\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We have never seen it had to actually cut back and and not deliver its full full amperage. But it has that capability. Should anybody stop being 246\ 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.490\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): or taking quite a load on on the system. 247\ 00:30:14.910 --> 00:30:43.069\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): earthing comes into it as well. If you don't find a charger that has Penfold protection built in, then you can end up spending quite a lot of money on putting extra earthing protection into the system, whereas these Penfold protected charges just deal with all of that again, having an electrical contractor who knows what they're talking about and knows they can have that discussion with the charger providers is useful. 248\ 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:55.209\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We did give written design briefs to each of the contractors to to make sure they knew what we were wanting them to do and making sure things weren't falling down cracks. 249\ 00:30:57.130 --> 00:31:05.080\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): you also have to find, what is called a back end processing organization. So this is somebody that will 250\ 00:31:05.260 --> 00:31:13.159\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): basically be monitoring the charger all the time. And when somebody comes up to it and says, Right, I want to charge. 251\ 00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:25.950\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): They are the people that make sure that the there is money to be had. They take that money, they watch how much power has been taken, and so on, and so the charger 252\ 00:31:26.070 --> 00:31:38.540\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): should work with what's called ocpp, and as long as it does, then there are quite a few back end processes that you can choose from to actually do all of the billing and management for you. 253\ 00:31:39.330 --> 00:31:46.369\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): They do take a small percentage of the amount of of power money that's collected for the power. 254\ 00:31:46.866 --> 00:31:49.799\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But we felt that it was. That was 255\ 00:31:50.110 --> 00:31:57.479\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): well, it was a necessary part of the of the process, and I must say that that has gone very smoothly. 256\ 00:31:58.753 --> 00:32:09.489\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Another thing that we didn't sort of think about until quite late was just just how useful it is to have clear signage and usage instructions around. 257\ 00:32:09.670 --> 00:32:19.940\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So because we are on the recreation ground, we have now put a sign up on the near the road, saying, there are charges available up here. 258\ 00:32:20.610 --> 00:32:31.230\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and then actually at the site itself, a set of instructions, so that people know which app they have to have, and then, once they've got it, how to use that app. 259\ 00:32:32.890 --> 00:32:46.670\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): The other aspect is that it's worth promoting, and you can promote it locally in newsletters and social medias, and so on. But also you submit details of your charger once it's operational 260\ 00:32:46.670 --> 00:33:06.719\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): to various organizations. Now, there used to be a National Charge Point Registry, and it was usually a requirement of any grant funding that you made your charge available on the National Charge Point Registry. I believe that has now closed. Not quite sure why that is. 261\ 00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:20.420\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But there are other organizations like electroverse and Zap map who have basically taken on that function. You notify them that you've got a charger available for the public and consumer use. 262\ 00:33:20.520 --> 00:33:33.360\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and they will put it onto their system. And people that own battery, electric vehicles typically have zap map with them, and so they can always find out where chargers are. 263\ 00:33:34.970 --> 00:33:52.210\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): so other than that the project did run reasonably to plan the black line in the middle of that gantt chart was an interesting delay, and that was basically a delay of a few months whilst the grant funders 264\ 00:33:52.710 --> 00:33:57.317\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): sorted out their their funding mechanisms and so on. 265\ 00:33:58.650 --> 00:34:06.109\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): I think that was because we were quite early with a couple of the grants that we were using, and they hadn't quite worked out 266\ 00:34:06.750 --> 00:34:18.650\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): how they were going to process it all. But eventually we got there and we're able to pick up and and complete the project, and it actually went live, I think, in March 23, 267\ 00:34:19.850 --> 00:34:31.460\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): just to talk a little bit about the Grant support. At the time there was an on-street residential charge points, scheme being run by the dft 268\ 00:34:31.659 --> 00:34:34.970\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): actually administered by the Energy Savings Trust 269\ 00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:43.190\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and that was very useful to us. There are, as I understand it, other 270\ 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:48.329\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): replacements for that now. So it's definitely worth looking to see. 271\ 00:34:48.860 --> 00:34:57.870\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We also have support from South Cams District Council, and I know that scheme is still running. So that's well worthwhile. 272\ 00:34:59.645 --> 00:35:04.309\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Interestingly, the Orcs grant 273\ 00:35:04.450 --> 00:35:25.290\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): not pay for the provision of the parking spaces themselves, whereas South County District Council didn't really mind where their grant was used in the provision of the electric vehicle charger. So, having that combination of grants did mean that we could cover our costs 274\ 00:35:25.580 --> 00:35:26.540\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): well. 275\ 00:35:27.650 --> 00:35:34.360\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And they did typically want to be recognized. And so we had to make sure that all of our signage 276\ 00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:44.039\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): had the the correct Logos, and so on on them. And basically we were quite happy to support the supporters of us 277\ 00:35:45.270 --> 00:35:57.289\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): in total. The project did come out to 13 and a half K. We were awarded 10 k. In grants, so that was then within the the top up that the Parish Council approved. 278\ 00:35:57.470 --> 00:36:06.010\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So we got across the line, and it, as I say, went live in March 23. 279\ 00:36:07.610 --> 00:36:16.019\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So how have things gone? Now, this is an an analysis up until May 25. 280\ 00:36:16.830 --> 00:36:29.010\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): The purple line is looking at the total number of kilowatt hours that are being sold every month. 281\ 00:36:30.170 --> 00:36:33.750\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and we look at. We've also got there. The number of 282\ 00:36:34.130 --> 00:36:40.730\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): sessions there are in each month, and the average number of kilowatt hours per session. 283\ 00:36:41.490 --> 00:36:51.900\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Now, can you actually make much sense of it all. It's difficult. The usage levels are not that high. We get 10 to 20. 284\ 00:36:52.060 --> 00:36:56.920\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Use uses a month of it. It is gradually going up. 285\ 00:36:57.350 --> 00:37:10.539\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But what is was noticeable certainly over the opening months was that it went from people just experimenting and connecting to see whether they could, and just taking a kilowatt hour or 2 286\ 00:37:10.650 --> 00:37:18.490\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): to sessions that were much longer with people drawing 50 or 60 kilowatt hours at one go 287\ 00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:31.840\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And another thing we have noticed is that some users come quite regularly and then just and have 288\ 00:37:32.010 --> 00:37:36.989\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): reasoning of that, we think, is that there are some locals who are 289\ 00:37:37.170 --> 00:37:48.479\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): buying a battery electric vehicle. They're using the community chargers for a while, but after a few months they've managed to organize themselves. They've got their own charger installed at home. 290\ 00:37:48.630 --> 00:37:52.239\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So they don't need to use the community charges anymore. 291\ 00:37:52.970 --> 00:38:08.389\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): If that is correct, and and we know from one or 2 occasions that is correct, then then that's excellent. You know, we have managed to achieve one of our goals. We are helping people in that in that transition across to to a battery electric vehicle. 292\ 00:38:11.380 --> 00:38:19.140\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Back in August 23. You'll say that I've marked there a fault occurred, and 293\ 00:38:19.340 --> 00:38:31.329\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): interestingly, despite it all set up so that we are supposed to be alerted. If there is a fault, it suddenly became apparent that the charges weren't operational. 294\ 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:34.530\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): although the systems were saying they were 295\ 00:38:35.551 --> 00:38:43.500\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): we got it. As soon as that was realized it was fixed very quickly by the manufacturers of the the charger itself. 296\ 00:38:45.230 --> 00:38:50.479\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And since then it's it has actually worked without a problem. 297\ 00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:58.910\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But it's interesting that it took quite a while after that fault was repaired. 298\ 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:10.570\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Usage to sort of pick up. And it's amazing, isn't it, that you only want one bit of trouble, and you need probably 10 bits of good news to overcome the one bit of trouble 299\ 00:39:10.970 --> 00:39:19.609\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): so well worthwhile trying to really manage and watch and make sure that they are maintained. Well. 300\ 00:39:20.750 --> 00:39:29.319\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): so I think that's most of the things there. I would say that it's not a profitable 301\ 00:39:29.964 --> 00:39:34.979\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): exercise. We we found over the time that basically the amount of money we have 302\ 00:39:35.240 --> 00:39:39.870\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): acquired from the users of the system have just about balanced the the costs. 303\ 00:39:40.220 --> 00:39:54.999\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and it's noticeable that there are running costs in that. The charger does sip a little bit of electricity all the time, whether it's being used or not, that's keeping its screen alive and and running a few other things. 304\ 00:39:55.543 --> 00:40:08.250\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But that background usage, the how much power that it draws when it's not being used is probably another thing to put on the list of things to check. When you, when you buy a charger unit. 305\ 00:40:10.137 --> 00:40:14.902\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): A few things that tripped us up on the way, or things that we had to 306\ 00:40:15.570 --> 00:40:30.670\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): recognize was that if you, as a Parish Council are going to start charging people for electricity. Then the clerk has to have the general power of competence in their accreditation. 307\ 00:40:30.810 --> 00:40:32.000\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and 308\ 00:40:32.700 --> 00:40:42.630\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Clark was sort of 90% of the way through their accreditation, and we had to just nudge them across the line to make sure that we could actually do that. 309\ 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.599\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): or start charging for electricity. 310\ 00:40:46.130 --> 00:40:56.649\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So that's 1 thing to look at, and of course you can, as a parish council lose that if you ever change your clerk, and the next one you get in isn't accredited. So something to be aware of 311\ 00:40:58.168 --> 00:41:07.330\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): signage I've already mentioned. We we felt it necessary and useful to put a sign up on the road saying charges this way. 312\ 00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:31.489\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): but of course it's never simple to put a sign up on a lamppost or something that's owned by somebody else. And so we'd have to go through various approval processes which which went through the normal fun and games of Oh, we didn't even know we had a lamppost there, and all these sorts of things. And no, we don't know what type of lamp post it is, so we don't know whether it will support a sign 313\ 00:41:32.091 --> 00:41:38.779\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): but luckily South Cams District Council finally saw sense and allowed us to put a relatively small sign up 314\ 00:41:39.973 --> 00:41:46.699\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): obviously, energy price energy pricing is going up and down so that can be a bit of a hazard 315\ 00:41:47.336 --> 00:41:53.299\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): but by locking in for reasonable length contracts that that's been managed. Okay. 316\ 00:41:53.930 --> 00:42:14.550\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): security CCTV coverage and stuff. It has proven useful. Luckily we haven't had any problems of vandalism or anything with the chargers. But other things that are going on on the recreation ground. The fact that we've got Cct coverage does definitely find its uses. 317\ 00:42:15.747 --> 00:42:32.120\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): I've mentioned data coverage in in the back. But the the equipment does need to be connected. And not only that, it's obviously very useful for for the mobile users, the people that are coming to charge. They they're going to use an app, so they need to have coverage. 318\ 00:42:32.646 --> 00:42:43.569\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We do luckily have free Wi-fi available in the area, and that is rather necessary, because the mobile data coverage is is very, very poor in our recreation ground. 319\ 00:42:45.325 --> 00:42:47.289\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): I've mentioned maintenance 320\ 00:42:47.881 --> 00:43:03.249\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): of of the unit itself. But we did put the charger right up against a hedge, and it soon became apparent that that was something that we needed to put onto the maintenance list as well. Making sure you cut the hedge back. So it 321\ 00:43:03.600 --> 00:43:06.289\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): actually is. Is this remains visible. 322\ 00:43:07.260 --> 00:43:18.100\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So I think that's the the most of the information there. Very happy to take questions, and we have got a little handout 323\ 00:43:18.220 --> 00:43:24.640\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): where we go through a lot of those sorts of considerations, things that we thought about, and 324\ 00:43:24.770 --> 00:43:30.619\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): if anybody's interest in in the project briefing we gave to the contractors 325\ 00:43:30.950 --> 00:43:50.809\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): the survey that we did, and what the analysis of that was the modelling that we did all of those sorts of things. If any of that is used to people, then just do email me on Evcharges at Stevenmorden, pcgov.uk, and I'll pop something through to you. 326\ 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.869\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But other than that. Yes, the 327\ 00:43:55.010 --> 00:43:59.700\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): charges are up and running, and are being used so 328\ 00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:03.470\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): many thanks, and very happy to take questions. 329\ 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:14.589\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Thank you very much, Malcolm. That was fascinating. I've got a whole bunch of questions for you, but I'll give priority to those people who have raised their hands 330\ 00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:19.150\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: would like to talk about it. So let's go with Peter. 1st of all, please. 331\ 00:44:21.700 --> 00:44:23.470\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: You're on mute, Peter. 332\ 00:44:26.140 --> 00:44:55.508\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Thank you, Malcolm. That was very interesting, that. And yeah, I will ask if I for all those details which you have, because, you know it's great to have a template to be able to show to other kind of parishes in that respect. Few questions. What do you charge? And how much does it cost you? In other words, you know, how? Yeah, what are you paying for yours? As the 1st couple of questions. 333\ 00:44:57.060 --> 00:45:04.989\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Okay? Well, well, it's very simple. We set it in the early days at 49 pence per kilowatt hour. 334\ 00:45:05.540 --> 00:45:14.439\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and and we looked around at what others locally were doing, and so on. That seemed to to map in reasonably well. 335\ 00:45:16.015 --> 00:45:22.559\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): At the time we were being charged 29 pence a kilowatt hour. 336\ 00:45:23.602 --> 00:45:36.149\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): By the by, our electricity provider that has since we managed to negotiate it down, but we have held 49 pence per kilowatt hour, so it's remained constant. 337\ 00:45:36.850 --> 00:45:42.651\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): There is an interesting little extra on that, and that is that 338\ 00:45:44.930 --> 00:45:53.947\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Back end provider did a deal with electroverse, which is part of octopus 339\ 00:45:55.260 --> 00:46:01.990\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and electroverse have done deals with many, many charge charging companies. 340\ 00:46:02.140 --> 00:46:06.400\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): so that you can use their app to start and stop the charger. 341\ 00:46:06.620 --> 00:46:14.519\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and if you do that, then somehow or other, electroverse customers only pay 39 pence a unit. 342\ 00:46:15.380 --> 00:46:18.909\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But we still get 49 pence 343\ 00:46:20.395 --> 00:46:29.889\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): so quite how that works. I'm not too sure but we don't ask too many questions. Those people with the lecture reverse cards fine. 344\ 00:46:30.890 --> 00:46:32.970\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So that's a bit. It's a bit strange. 345\ 00:46:33.430 --> 00:46:46.079\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But hopefully, that answers your question. So we're, we're, I think, around 2225 pence a unit at the moment that we're being charged by our electricity provider. It varies night and day. 346\ 00:46:47.170 --> 00:47:00.190\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and so if people are charging up overnight, we make a little bit more than we do if they charge during the day. We we don't try. We could, but we don't put differential pricing on at all. 347\ 00:47:01.550 --> 00:47:11.510\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And it is quite common that people who are running it for several hours, do come up quite late at night, plug in, and then pick it up 1st thing in the morning. 348\ 00:47:11.980 --> 00:47:13.089\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): which is fine. 349\ 00:47:13.430 --> 00:47:41.430\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Yeah. And then leading on to to that is the users. How do they actually use it? In terms of how to play it in. I mean more than that. You know. What's the pattern of usage in terms of, you know? Are they actually local people? Are there visitors that. Come along. What time is, you know, day and whatever I mean, you know. Sorry 350\ 00:47:43.620 --> 00:47:55.809\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Let's see, it's total. As far as we can see. It's a total mix. I mean, it's difficult to know what we do get is, we know, the last 4 digits 351\ 00:47:55.980 --> 00:48:00.569\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): of the card that somebody has used to charge with. 352\ 00:48:00.730 --> 00:48:02.609\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: So using that. 353\ 00:48:02.770 --> 00:48:07.150\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We know how frequently people come. 354\ 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.749\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and what we find is that there are perhaps 355\ 00:48:11.410 --> 00:48:25.059\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): 4 or 5 cards being used quite, quite frequently, and some of them then become, you know, quite, really, quite heavy. So they're perhaps twice a week they're the same one, putting in 356\ 00:48:25.220 --> 00:48:49.070\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): 2030 kilowatt hours each time, and then, as I say, they'll suddenly disappear, they'll go. And so the fact that they've been there for several months doing that and then suddenly disappear suggests to us. They probably are local, and suggest to us that they probably now found another source, probably at their house to do it, or or maybe their work has put in a charger or something. 357\ 00:48:49.714 --> 00:48:57.805\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Others are just cards that we see once and never see again. And and well, those, I guess are visitors. 358\ 00:48:58.710 --> 00:48:59.930\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): to the area. 359\ 00:49:00.240 --> 00:49:04.140\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: What? Any idea, what percentage of those you know 360\ 00:49:04.300 --> 00:49:09.330\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: who you suspect are local compared to the one off. 361\ 00:49:10.550 --> 00:49:17.790\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): I would say, it's it's 80% local people and and 20%. One offs something like that. 362\ 00:49:17.790 --> 00:49:28.660\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: And of course it would be logical if if you're charging 49 pence and and if they have got a charger in their own home. It they could get it for 7 pence. 363\ 00:49:28.660 --> 00:49:32.469\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Yes, yes, yes, far, far cheaper. On the other hand. 364\ 00:49:32.990 --> 00:49:44.569\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): whilst we have kept at 49 pence, I think the national average for a 7 kilowatt charger is is now something like 56, or something, so we are lower than than 365\ 00:49:45.230 --> 00:49:49.238\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Yeah, although it is, it will seem to be going down, because I know you know 366\ 00:49:49.740 --> 00:49:54.980\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Well, that that's really why we haven't changed. It is. It does drift up and drift down so. 367\ 00:49:55.270 --> 00:49:59.499\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Any terms of over the period of of 24 h? 368\ 00:50:00.344 --> 00:50:03.579\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: You know. Is there a lot more usage 369\ 00:50:04.080 --> 00:50:11.910\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: at night, or is it more? Is there more usage when there's likely to be some activities going on at the recreation field? 370\ 00:50:12.640 --> 00:50:15.280\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Yes, any time of the day. 371\ 00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:21.179\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): It's yes, it is. It is a mix. The the long sessions do tend to be late evening 372\ 00:50:21.430 --> 00:50:27.110\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and an overnight, but not always. 373\ 00:50:27.350 --> 00:50:33.579\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and then the shorter sessions tend to be just during the day. But but some of those are 1st thing in the morning. 374\ 00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.849\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Some are middle of the day, and 375\ 00:50:36.420 --> 00:50:38.600\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): later, I mean, it is very variable. 376\ 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:53.099\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: This one last follow up question to that is in terms of, are you not able to get that data from whoever manages the system, or you? The company manages it. Is that not? Is that not? Is that difficult to get hold of? 377\ 00:50:54.310 --> 00:50:57.310\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): What? What? Who? Who a user actually is. 378\ 00:50:57.780 --> 00:50:58.450\ Peter Bates - East Cambridgeshire Climate Action Network: Yes. 379\ 00:50:58.450 --> 00:51:00.189\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Where they live, and so on. 380\ 00:51:00.560 --> 00:51:05.840\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): No, I don't think so. I think it's all. You're all data protected on all of this. 381\ 00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:25.760\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): I mean we've we've got CCTV. We can see what registration numbers there are. You know. You could do all sorts of things if you wanted to, but we we don't do that. We do analyze a little bit this, these last 4 digits of the of the card number, just because that identifies a particular user. 382\ 00:51:26.260 --> 00:51:33.100\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But I mean they could eat that they could be bringing up 2 2 vehicles we don't know haven't haven't looked at that. 383\ 00:51:34.680 --> 00:51:38.470\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So we haven't really analyzed it. More than that. 384\ 00:51:40.410 --> 00:51:45.100\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Thanks, Peter. Thank you, Malcolm. Can we go on to David? Please. 385\ 00:51:49.870 --> 00:51:50.610\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): Yes. 386\ 00:51:53.150 --> 00:52:00.189\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): the obvious way to find out about it is to ride to steeple Morden and plug in my electric motorbike. 387\ 00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:02.510\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: In the meantime. 388\ 00:52:02.860 --> 00:52:06.869\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): I noticed that that picture you showed us is on plugshare. 389\ 00:52:07.630 --> 00:52:14.760\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): but they don't seem to be anyone bothering to record on Plugshare or Zapmap if they've used it. 390\ 00:52:16.030 --> 00:52:16.950\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): I was. 391\ 00:52:18.790 --> 00:52:38.639\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): I was wondering if you'd done a follow up of your survey at all in terms of acceptance. And are there, people using it, and this question about whether they've gone and got their own charger. Now they've got a a car, and so on, which might be easiest, just asking people. 392\ 00:52:41.200 --> 00:52:42.160\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We haven't. 393\ 00:52:43.890 --> 00:52:44.980\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We? 394\ 00:52:45.200 --> 00:52:48.510\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): How sort of of the view that it is. 395\ 00:52:48.690 --> 00:52:50.440\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): It is being used. 396\ 00:52:50.630 --> 00:52:58.620\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): It's we know it's caused discussion. There are people that that wander past and wander up to it, to have a look at what it is. 397\ 00:52:58.940 --> 00:53:01.739\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and clearly cause discussions. 398\ 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:07.632\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And and really that was what we were wanting to do. We were wanting to just 399\ 00:53:08.330 --> 00:53:10.109\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): raise the whole 400\ 00:53:10.350 --> 00:53:24.230\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): issue and and get people realizing that. Yeah, there are charges around. It's not. It's not magic. It's not a mystery. And that seems to be working. So at the moment there hasn't been a real call on 401\ 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.940\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): further analysis. 402\ 00:53:27.080 --> 00:53:28.120\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Okay, if. 403\ 00:53:28.120 --> 00:53:32.750\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): Do you ever get more than 2 cars there and someone queuing up. 404\ 00:53:33.497 --> 00:53:44.949\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Yeah, this is one thing that that's that's worth is worth mentioning. Because I talked a little bit about icing where an internal combustion car goes and parks in these spaces. 405\ 00:53:46.010 --> 00:54:10.860\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): It's not only internal combustion cars that go here. We have found occasions when the car park is very busy. There's a lot going on at the recreation ground that both of these charges are occupied. Spaces are occupied, and I've enthusiastically gone up, and to find out who the owners are, and have a chat with them, and find out only to find that neither of them are charging. 406\ 00:54:11.060 --> 00:54:19.939\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So they are electric vehicles. They're parked there. Sometimes they have the cables connected, sometimes they don't, but they're not charging. 407\ 00:54:20.690 --> 00:54:33.210\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and it appears that what's happening is that people are saying, well, I've got an electric car. I'll make it look as if I'm charging. And you know I've now got an extra parking space that other people don't have. 408\ 00:54:33.630 --> 00:54:36.420\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): which I find quite appalling. 409\ 00:54:36.937 --> 00:54:44.490\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We've done a bit of research to try and find out who these people are. We sometimes have put 410\ 00:54:44.710 --> 00:54:53.009\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): little bits of paper under their their windscreen wiper to say that you know these are for electric vehicles that need charging. 411\ 00:54:53.230 --> 00:54:56.279\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Please don't use these for any other purpose. 412\ 00:54:57.538 --> 00:55:04.229\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And that it could be that under those circumstances there have been cars that have come 413\ 00:55:04.540 --> 00:55:07.459\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): to charge and found the charger not available. 414\ 00:55:07.720 --> 00:55:21.680\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): which would be very, very disappointing, but I have to say that this is very, very rare. I would say 99.9% of the time, if not 99.9 9% of the time. There's at least one space where 415\ 00:55:23.290 --> 00:55:32.439\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): we have seen on occasion, both charges being used at the same time, but again very small amounts of overlap. 416\ 00:55:32.590 --> 00:55:39.989\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So it indicates to us that actually, at the moment just 2 charges here, the 2 charge ports is is sufficient. 417\ 00:55:41.380 --> 00:55:50.929\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): Okay? And if I was going to say final question, actually, it's a couple related together. 418\ 00:55:53.590 --> 00:56:00.000\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): This back-end processing organization isn't a charge point operator, is it? 419\ 00:56:02.430 --> 00:56:03.190\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Well, 420\ 00:56:07.020 --> 00:56:16.145\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): they they! It's a bit difficult, because they they've changed their their name somewhat, and I'm never too sure where it is. 421\ 00:56:16.770 --> 00:56:20.649\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We use a company called Curv 360 422\ 00:56:21.670 --> 00:56:24.430\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): who were part of project ev 423\ 00:56:25.372 --> 00:56:32.639\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): project ev are the people that that make the charge point that we bought, purchased. 424\ 00:56:33.070 --> 00:56:38.129\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and because there was a link there, we thought well, it was worth starting with them. 425\ 00:56:39.109 --> 00:56:41.689\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Because if there were any problems. 426\ 00:56:42.140 --> 00:56:47.950\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): It was the one company dealing with the back end and the charges so they could sort it out. And indeed they. 427\ 00:56:47.950 --> 00:56:48.490\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): They did. 428\ 00:56:48.490 --> 00:56:49.979\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): There was a problem. 429\ 00:56:51.400 --> 00:57:09.040\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): but we could. We could go elsewhere if we wanted to now, and we possibly could, because we have more confidence. But, on the other hand, it's just. It has worked. It's work pretty seamlessly, and they are there at 24 HA day. Now, if anybody has a problem. It's it's them. They phone up. 430\ 00:57:09.500 --> 00:57:12.180\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): so it seems to work. 431\ 00:57:13.330 --> 00:57:16.350\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): And the related bit to that is 432\ 00:57:17.220 --> 00:57:29.700\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): to sell electricity. You need a general power of competence, but if you'd gone the route of having a Cpo. Doing everything. I guess they would be selling, and you wouldn't need that. 433\ 00:57:31.020 --> 00:57:33.630\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Yes, I think that that's that's correct. 434\ 00:57:34.640 --> 00:57:37.580\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And typically they would. They would. Then 435\ 00:57:37.820 --> 00:57:41.960\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): there are different different mechanisms. There are some that will speculatively 436\ 00:57:42.070 --> 00:57:53.730\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): invest themselves and install something, and then they will take any profit and all profits out of it. But they'll obviously need to be pretty sure that they can actually make a profit out of it. There are others that will 437\ 00:57:53.910 --> 00:57:59.370\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): say, Okay, if you want this done, we'll organize it all. But you need to pay us to to do it. 438\ 00:58:00.150 --> 00:58:09.730\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And there's everything in between. Really, if you, as far as I can see, if you if you look and talk around and so we've just comfortable. One end of the spectrum. 439\ 00:58:12.700 --> 00:58:17.560\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Thanks, David, thanks, Malcolm Erin. Your turn, please. 440\ 00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:30.460\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: Malcolm. That was extremely interesting, and for me personally has come along at just the right time. I'm a town councillor in Weymouth, and I'm chair of the Ceee working group. 441\ 00:58:30.460 --> 00:58:49.860\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: and one of the things we've been looking at is the coverage of charging points in Weymouth, and though Dorset Council has kindly put lots in the public car parks. There are still great areas that have nothing at all, and streets of terraced houses where you know it's impossible to find a parking space, let alone one outside your own house. 442\ 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:54.796\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: And I'm extremely interested in this. I have a few questions. 443\ 00:58:56.040 --> 00:59:02.340\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: did you, as a parish council have to use a tender process to select the company you went with? 444\ 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:03.390\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: Or is that. 445\ 00:59:03.744 --> 00:59:07.290\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Well, because we were just going down to contractor level. 446\ 00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:16.720\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Each actual arrangement with each contractor was was relatively small. 447\ 00:59:16.910 --> 00:59:17.310\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Right? 448\ 00:59:17.310 --> 00:59:18.230\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We did 449\ 00:59:18.470 --> 00:59:35.479\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): go out to tender on on several aspects of it. So I mean, certainly we. We searched around for various charges and looked at various pricing and and selected the one we wanted, and then we we got got various quotes for that, and went with the best one for that. 450\ 00:59:35.990 --> 00:59:43.190\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Various organizations were actually doing the install. Various install contractors were doing the electrical install. 451\ 00:59:43.380 --> 00:59:46.130\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): the groundworks. They're all separate. 452\ 00:59:46.890 --> 01:00:04.349\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And each of them at each time we did. We did write a request for quotation, we sent it out, and we, as I say, gave them a a very detailed purchase order at the end of it, that that specified very clearly what we were expecting of them, and that always did did work very, very smoothly. 453\ 01:00:05.160 --> 01:00:16.299\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: Okay, thank you. I would be interested in any information you can. You can pass over and share because it's you know I've got to. I've got to engage the rest of being council with my enthusiasm, so. 454\ 01:00:16.300 --> 01:00:16.820\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Okay. 455\ 01:00:18.210 --> 01:00:39.250\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: And make it look as oh, look! Somebody's done it! Isn't it easy? That would be great. CCTV. I presume, because my 1st question I put down was vandalism. And then you did mention CCTV. So I presume you've not had anybody tamper with it, or just chuck paint over it, for the thrill of it, or you don't live in that type of an area where you get that type of. 456\ 01:00:39.250 --> 01:00:39.940\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Oh. 457\ 01:00:40.300 --> 01:00:48.060\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): yeah, luck luckily we don't seem to be. We seem to be in a fairly good area. No, we haven't had any problems at all. 458\ 01:00:49.790 --> 01:00:56.528\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We. We have had the odd issue on the recreation ground, so it's not totally without 459\ 01:00:58.150 --> 01:01:09.610\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): but it is quite clear that there is CCTV. Around. The signs are up and so on. And there is a CCTV camera pointing right at this this installation. 460\ 01:01:10.640 --> 01:01:13.349\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But luckily we've never had to use it for. 461\ 01:01:13.350 --> 01:01:18.460\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: Do you have any idea who would be liable for repairs if somebody 462\ 01:01:18.590 --> 01:01:32.700\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: was to decide to mess with it and damage it? Would it become down to you, or would the would? The, you know, is your assurance? Are you covered by your insurance to to do that, or would, or the people who've installed it. They sort of build it into the cost that. 463\ 01:01:32.700 --> 01:01:45.476\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Oh, it's certainly no. The contractors we use will literally installers. So the liability does rest with us. We do have it under on on our insurance. 464\ 01:01:46.720 --> 01:02:02.439\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): quite what that means when it if if it ever came to it or not, I don't know. I mean you'll see that there is a a bar up to make sure that people don't reverse straight into the the unit, which is apparently the most common problem. 465\ 01:02:03.013 --> 01:02:12.839\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And luckily our our bar is still upright, which is apparently quite surprising. Most most bars that you, you see, have already been knocked a few times. 466\ 01:02:13.386 --> 01:02:17.303\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So so far we haven't had to test it at all. 467\ 01:02:18.080 --> 01:02:25.813\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Luckily the cost of the equipment I mean the actual charging unit itself was only was under 2,000 pounds. 468\ 01:02:26.490 --> 01:02:31.660\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): you know most of the cost is is in getting preparing everything for it. And 469\ 01:02:31.900 --> 01:02:43.110\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): so really, sort of the worst that could happen is, somebody really smashes up the the charge unit itself, where you can unbolt it. Bolt the new one on, and you're off again, and it's not cost a huge. 470\ 01:02:43.110 --> 01:02:43.900\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): All right to money. 471\ 01:02:43.900 --> 01:02:49.239\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: Well as as a town council. We have, you know, high deprivation areas. And sometimes. 472\ 01:02:49.860 --> 01:02:53.815\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: yeah, things that we we have to pay out for. But anyway, 473\ 01:02:54.210 --> 01:03:01.870\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Well, it's worth saying that there are some charges very specifically targeted at more difficult areas. 474\ 01:03:01.870 --> 01:03:02.210\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: Right. 475\ 01:03:02.490 --> 01:03:20.450\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And they've they're even more robust and and have other mechanisms so that you can. They're easy to deal with. So that's a thought. Some of them disappear completely into the ground when they're not being used. You have to 476\ 01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:30.799\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): have to have the app, and you have to appear out of the ground all sorts of things. So you can really go to town if you want to. 477\ 01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:36.009\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: Okay, just just one last question I noticed on your graph. The the spikes. 478\ 01:03:36.230 --> 01:03:42.803\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: What could could you account for that? Why, why, they? There was that huge spike. 2 years 479\ 01:03:43.190 --> 01:04:03.790\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Well, I well, the spike in in electricity use is because I think there were, and but this is a guess. I have to say, I think there were 2 or 3 people that bought battery electric vehicles in the village. They didn't at that time have their own charger, and so they all started coming and and 480\ 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:10.477\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): using these this overnight. And so typically they never clashed overnight. 481\ 01:04:11.330 --> 01:04:16.929\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But there would be 1 1 night one another night, and so on. And by the time you take 482\ 01:04:17.610 --> 01:04:25.000\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): sort of 30 or 40 kilowatt hours several times in a week. Well, yeah, it adds up to your 200 and something or 300 483\ 01:04:25.520 --> 01:04:31.729\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): kilowatt hours over the month that we saw on those times. Those people have since disappeared. 484\ 01:04:31.730 --> 01:04:32.270\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: Yes. 485\ 01:04:32.270 --> 01:04:34.890\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Have they moved, or whatever? I don't know, but. 486\ 01:04:34.890 --> 01:04:38.799\ Cllr Helen Toft - Weymouth Town Council: Okay, all right, then. Thank you very much. It's all been very interesting. Thank you. 487\ 01:04:40.550 --> 01:04:54.249\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Well, no, Malcolm, before I throw in my questions. Just like to point out there are a couple of questions in the chat where people are looking for your email information and a couple of other things. Could you have a link to curb? 3 60, 488\ 01:04:54.570 --> 01:05:00.189\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: I think. Quite interesting, is the question of, Do you have a system for people to book a space? 489\ 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:05.420\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: I would guess the answer is, no, because I'm not quite sure how you say it's reserved. 490\ 01:05:05.420 --> 01:05:13.079\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): No, there's. There's all sorts of issues with that. And we really haven't seen the the need. It. It's just the availability has been 491\ 01:05:13.720 --> 01:05:29.699\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): very good. I suppose the usage hasn't been as high as it might, and if we got to that problem it would be nice to have. We'd be looking at, increasing the number of charges we've got, I suppose, but we just haven't got there 492\ 01:05:30.070 --> 01:05:33.279\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): at this time. The 2 port seems to be sufficient. 493\ 01:05:34.033 --> 01:05:35.749\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): As as far as the 494\ 01:05:37.040 --> 01:05:46.240\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): email address goes, I did say Ev ev charges at Stephen Warden, PC, but but I can come back to you with with these bits of information. 495\ 01:05:46.710 --> 01:05:47.359\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Thank you 496\ 01:05:47.720 --> 01:06:00.050\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: and a couple of questions that I thought of. If someone has gone off and left their cable at home, is there any provision of cables from your end, or do you depend on everyone bringing their own. 497\ 01:06:00.700 --> 01:06:07.219\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Yeah, or each battery electric vehicle owner soon gets to realize that they need to carry. 498\ 01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:09.120\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Cable around. 499\ 01:06:09.120 --> 01:06:09.619\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Yeah, I know. 500\ 01:06:09.620 --> 01:06:16.479\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): A/C chargers typically do not have attached cables. DC charges do 501\ 01:06:16.550 --> 01:06:39.970\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): so. If you're on a slow one of the slower charges, you will need a cable, and people do. Interestingly, we did have 1 1 customer who got in touch with us because they had tried using our charges several times, and we could see it coming up on the the logs as attempt fails, attempt fail going on. What's going on? And we managed to 502\ 01:06:40.527 --> 01:06:48.472\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): find them speak to them, and they said, Well, we keep plugging us in, and it just doesn't work. And 503\ 01:06:49.330 --> 01:06:54.919\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): I tried my cable with their car, worked perfectly. 504\ 01:06:55.090 --> 01:06:55.550\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Right. 505\ 01:06:55.550 --> 01:07:02.449\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And it transpired. This was a brand new cable that had come with a brand new car, and it just didn't work. 506\ 01:07:02.600 --> 01:07:13.089\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): They went back to their garage, complained. They instantly gave them a new cable almost to the point of knowing there had been a problem with some of the cables they'd handed out. 507\ 01:07:13.230 --> 01:07:17.699\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And sure enough, very happy, Bunny. After that it all worked fine. 508\ 01:07:18.240 --> 01:07:18.580\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Right. 509\ 01:07:18.600 --> 01:07:23.239\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But yeah. So you get to know whether your cable works or not. I guess. 510\ 01:07:23.980 --> 01:07:32.449\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Okay. Another quick question. Do you happen to know whether Zapmap and the other mapping organizations are able to record? If your system is available or not. 511\ 01:07:33.860 --> 01:07:42.049\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Most of them do, and so our back end provider. 512\ 01:07:42.220 --> 01:07:49.129\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And it's another reason why you might choose one out of another does provide that information to companies like Zapmap. 513\ 01:07:49.130 --> 01:07:49.920\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Brilliant. 514\ 01:07:50.407 --> 01:07:53.150\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So yes, you you do know 515\ 01:07:53.330 --> 01:07:58.530\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): whether they're in use and and whether they are available and operational. 516\ 01:07:59.460 --> 01:08:20.700\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: And last question is, I don't know if you're on your planning committee or planning application Committee, but I always wondered whether there are all sorts of planning applications in for putting in the cross pavement charging systems, that people who are in terraced houses without driveways can at least put in a charger across the pavement without endangering all the pedestrians. 517\ 01:08:20.859 --> 01:08:24.169\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Do you see any of those, or has there been an increase in that. 518\ 01:08:24.170 --> 01:08:34.950\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): No, we haven't seen any of those clearly, you know. The the quick approval for those has only recently come through, hasn't it? But, 519\ 01:08:35.670 --> 01:08:45.169\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): We've not seen that happen. We have seen one or 2 houses that we considered to not have off road parking. 520\ 01:08:45.580 --> 01:08:51.930\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): create off road parking by turning their guard, knocking down their garden wall and turning their car. 521\ 01:08:51.930 --> 01:08:53.499\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: See that? Yeah, I've seen that. 522\ 01:08:53.935 --> 01:08:56.419\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Which seemed a bit dramatic. But there we go. 523\ 01:08:57.160 --> 01:09:00.860\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: And thank you very much. Let me pass you on to Stuart. Please. 524\ 01:09:01.930 --> 01:09:06.490\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: Alright. Thank you. That was a very interesting presentation. 525\ 01:09:07.410 --> 01:09:13.139\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: You come across lots of problems or 526\ 01:09:13.979 --> 01:09:17.539\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: things to overcome that I would never have thought of. 527\ 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:22.620\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: and you've completely put me off trying to do it for my own counsel. 528\ 01:09:24.049 --> 01:09:38.640\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: I think I would leave it to the experts. Well, one thing I I would so just take you task a little bit is early on in your presentation. You seem to be saying that 22 kilowatt charging was a bit overkill. 529\ 01:09:39.130 --> 01:09:44.330\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: but the the whole direction for Ev seems to be faster and faster charging. 530\ 01:09:45.095 --> 01:09:49.459\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: I'm a a recent convert to an Ev. 531\ 01:09:49.700 --> 01:09:55.039\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: And I think mine will accept to about 150 kilowatts. 532\ 01:09:55.110 --> 01:09:56.419\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Not. I see. 533\ 01:09:56.420 --> 01:10:09.650\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: And a lot of sort of newer cars are going for 3 50 I think that there's some hyundai which will do 700, and they're even talking about a thousand kilowatt charging. 534\ 01:10:10.210 --> 01:10:14.789\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Yes, this has that. Those are DC charging rates. 535\ 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:24.870\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): And so what I was talking about is, if you make the choice to go to A/C, and I would expect most parish councils probably will go with with A/C, 536\ 01:10:25.040 --> 01:10:28.100\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): because the charges are much, much cheaper. 537\ 01:10:30.120 --> 01:10:39.189\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): that. That's so. So, basically the car itself, then, has to convert A/C into DC to charge the battery. 538\ 01:10:39.330 --> 01:10:47.040\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So basically cars the battery electric vehicle has an inverter in it to do that. 539\ 01:10:47.260 --> 01:10:52.770\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and most cars are limited to 11 kilowatts or less. 540\ 01:10:53.480 --> 01:11:00.870\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and that's the limit. So you can plug into a fast charger that's capable of 22 kilowatts A/C. 541\ 01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:08.030\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): That your car will only charge at 11 kilowatts, because it's the limit, is the is the inverter in the car. 542\ 01:11:08.968 --> 01:11:20.140\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So that's why I was mentioning it. There are cars out there that have more Renault typically do, because in France they they use A/C chargers up to. 543\ 01:11:20.400 --> 01:11:38.739\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): I think it's 43 kilowatts, and so Renault do fit larger ones. So if they come across a 3 phase charger in the Uk, they will be able to get the full 22 kilowatts, and you know that makes a difference. It's 3 times faster than a 7 kilowatt charger that's useful. 544\ 01:11:39.530 --> 01:11:42.570\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But as soon as you've gone over 8 kilowatts. 545\ 01:11:43.230 --> 01:11:46.779\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Capability. You do have to have a card, reader. 546\ 01:11:46.920 --> 01:12:02.660\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): which, as I said, I think, is the the wrong thing. I would much prefer to see the government pushing for Iso, 1, 5, 1, 1, 8, to be implemented and pushing everybody towards card readers. But there we go. 547\ 01:12:03.530 --> 01:12:11.440\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: Yeah, I do think one of the drawbacks to getting an Ev is the prolong charging time. 548\ 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:23.750\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: So certainly, if you're doing sort of long journeys, this and the other. And I think one thing that will encourage people. If there were more of the higher speed charges available. 549\ 01:12:24.160 --> 01:12:31.920\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Yes, of course that that is that's a in a way, a very important 550\ 01:12:33.230 --> 01:12:42.860\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): but a different business opportunity. And luckily there are a lot of companies out there. Ionity, Nedfast, instavault 551\ 01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:49.809\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): pulse. Bp, all sorts of people who are into that grid serve. They're out there building 552\ 01:12:50.500 --> 01:12:57.800\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): large sets of infrastructure with 2030, 50 charges available on site. 553\ 01:12:57.940 --> 01:13:04.239\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): dining facilities, coffee facilities, meeting rooms, all sorts of things. It's a it's it's 554\ 01:13:04.860 --> 01:13:07.990\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): and and they they're definitely 300, 555\ 01:13:08.160 --> 01:13:12.959\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): 400 kilowatt chargers. And, as you say, cars are beginning to be able to take that. 556\ 01:13:13.790 --> 01:13:18.410\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Having now had electric cars for 5 6 years myself. 557\ 01:13:18.953 --> 01:13:26.080\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): I find it often gets to the point now where the car charges so quickly he can't finish a cup of coffee. 558\ 01:13:26.970 --> 01:13:53.069\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): It's embarrassing because you go in. You order your coffee. You've just been given it, and the car bleeps and says, Right, your car's finished. Please take your car off the charger, otherwise you'll have penalties applied. Penalty charges apply. So you have to either drink the coffee rapidly, or rush through the service station with your coffee or leave it and go, and you actually would have preferred it to be a little bit slower. 559\ 01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:56.099\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: Yeah, well, I must say I I. 560\ 01:13:56.100 --> 01:13:58.140\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Manage yourself in a slightly different way. 561\ 01:13:58.140 --> 01:14:02.370\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: Yeah, I I it's I'm still yet to use public charging point 562\ 01:14:03.224 --> 01:14:09.909\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Great Dunmow TC, Essex: I I found the home charging to be quite adequate, very interesting talk. 563\ 01:14:09.910 --> 01:14:11.490\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Good. Good. Okay. 564\ 01:14:12.460 --> 01:14:14.039\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: And back to you, David. 565\ 01:14:15.605 --> 01:14:21.149\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): Yes, that it depends on whether you have 566\ 01:14:21.300 --> 01:14:28.550\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): a cafe or not, whether you need fast charging, in fact, with cafes you want slower charging. I guess you 567\ 01:14:29.070 --> 01:14:36.609\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): I had 2 recreation grounds, and the question I was going to ask something just occurred to me. 568\ 01:14:36.870 --> 01:14:51.120\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): There are some places that do entirely off grid charging. They have a windmill or a solar farm. They don't go through the grid so they can charge whatever they like. I don't know if there are facility 569\ 01:14:51.290 --> 01:14:55.969\ David newman (Blackbird Leys): spaces that you could use to do any of that, or if there isn't any space. 570\ 01:14:57.140 --> 01:15:06.700\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): You certainly could. I mean, typically the these systems have large arrays of solar panels, a wind turbine 571\ 01:15:07.030 --> 01:15:21.179\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): or hydro. They have a method of generating electricity typically at a relatively low rate. They then have a battery on site that they're constantly charging that battery. And then, when a 572\ 01:15:21.430 --> 01:15:34.500\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): a battery electric vehicle comes along. That battery dumps from itself into the car. And that cycle goes around again. And and yeah, that that's absolutely great. But, boy, it's quite expensive. 573\ 01:15:36.450 --> 01:15:43.000\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): So yeah, in those areas where the national grid really can't provide a good power source. 574\ 01:15:43.100 --> 01:15:45.940\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): they they can be extremely useful. 575\ 01:15:46.290 --> 01:15:52.080\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): But I would suggest. That's for the big boys, not for not for the Parish councils to really be. 576\ 01:15:55.280 --> 01:15:58.666\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Well, any other questions from anybody else. 577\ 01:15:59.280 --> 01:16:13.880\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Malcolm, that was really helpful. Thank you so much. I'm along with Helen. I'm going to be one of the people who goes to my parish council and says, Come on, you've been bickering about this for so long. Here people have done it. It's possible. Get on with it, and we'll see where we go. But thank you so much for. 578\ 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:14.300\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Gotcha. 579\ 01:16:14.300 --> 01:16:20.619\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: Helping us out today. It was. It was fascinating, and it was a great pleasure to have you with us. 580\ 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:28.894\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Well, thank you very much. Thanks for the invite, and I hope it is useful. And yeah, by all means drop me an email. I'll make sure you have the email and 581\ 01:16:29.710 --> 01:16:32.199\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): we'll go from there. But well done. Good good luck! 582\ 01:16:32.200 --> 01:16:35.769\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Thanks, Malcolm. We'll very much keep in touch and enjoy your holidays. 583\ 01:16:36.192 --> 01:16:37.879\ Malcolm Bird (Steeple Morden): Okay. Yes. Thanks. Thanks. 584\ 01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:51.579\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration Overseas Dept -host: And thank you all very much for joining us, and we look forward to seeing you. Next time I would cheerfully announce what the topic is going to be next week, but I haven't got the slightest idea yet, so we'll do that later. Thank you all very much. Bye, bye. *** ### Markdown of the Case Study (for AI search): ``` # EV Charger Installation Considerations in a Community Setting *Steeple Morden Parish Council (SMPC), 2023 – Recreation Ground installation* ## 📝 Background - **Primary aim**: To signal community support for EV adoption. - **Community survey**: Gauged EV ownership, interest, off-street parking availability, and likely usage. - **Finding**: Some residents more likely to buy an EV if chargers were installed. ## 🔌 Types of Chargers - **AC Chargers**: - 13A, 7kW (single-phase), 22kW (3-phase) - Suitable for longer stays or home-style charging - Lower project cost - **DC Chargers**: - 50kW+ - High power, faster charging (~30 minutes) - Requires significant infrastructure ## ⚙️ Equipment Selection - Key criteria: Reliability, reputation, open standards (e.g., OCPP), load balancing capability. - Ensure monitoring of system load to avoid overcapacity. ## 🏢 DNO (Distribution Network Operator) Approval - **SMPC area**: UK Power Networks - New dedicated supply is expensive. - Consider using existing supply (e.g., Village Hall) with separate metering. - DNO approval needed for load compatibility and potential fuse upgrades. ## 🌐 Connectivity - **Internet connection**: - Preferred: Ethernet via shared building (e.g., ducted with power cables) - Acceptable: Wi-Fi - Fallback: Mobile data (adds ongoing cost) ## 🛠 Contracting Options - **Outsource**: Companies handle install + operations, but control is limited. - **In-house (SMPC approach)**: - Local contractors used - Third-party billing provider takes 10% fee - 24/7 support line offered ## 👷 Choosing Contractors - Certified EV charger electricians are required. - Groundworks for bays can be separate. - Encourage bids from firms with community spirit. - Allow time for grant approval and council processes. ## 🅿️ Charging Bays - Marking and signage needed for: - Visibility and professionalism - Avoiding "ICE'ing" (non-EVs blocking bays) - Add: - Clear operating instructions near charger - 24/7 support contact - CCTV (anti-social behaviour monitoring) ## 💷 Funding & Grants - SMPC secured funding from: - **DfT/ORCS** (On-Street Residential Chargepoint Scheme) - **SCDC** (South Cambs District Council EV Charge Grant) - Contacts: - [Luke.Waddington@scambs.gov.uk](mailto:Luke.Waddington@scambs.gov.uk) - [Vivina.Vincent@est.org.uk](mailto:Vivina.Vincent@est.org.uk) ## 💳 Payment System - SMPC debated with ORCS on **contactless** vs **Plug & Charge (ISO 15118)**. - Current approach: - No contactless - App-based payment (free app) - Avoids need for screens/cards - Backend system: - Operates using **OCPP** standard - Allows future switching of providers - Parish Councils need **General Power of Competence (GPC)** to charge users. ## 📈 Pricing Strategy - Check **Zap-Map**, **Electroverse** for local rate comparisons. - Decide on goal: profit, breakeven, or subsidised service. - Remember idle chargers still consume background power. ## 📊 Usage Trends - Early weeks: Many test connections. - Later: Fewer users, but longer (5+ hours) charge sessions. - Growth is steady and evolving. ## 📣 Publicity & Promotion - Required listings: - [Zap-Map](https://www.zap-map.com) - [National Chargepoint Registry](https://chargepoints.dft.gov.uk/login) - Local promotions: - Facebook, newsletters, road signage - Lamppost signage requires SCDC permission: [street.lighting@scambs.gov.uk](mailto:street.lighting@scambs.gov.uk) ## 📬 Contact - Questions welcome: [evchargers@steeplemorden-pc.gov.uk](mailto:evchargers@steeplemorden-pc.gov.uk) ```
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