Banter 32: Sustainability in Sport, 14Aug24, Claudine Pearson

Claudine introduces us to the role played by sport in our wellbeing, the issues being forced on sports by climate change, and the resulting sustainability policies at national level; and encourages us to think how these can be applied at the parish and community levels./

Video Timeline (Min:sec):

00.00 - 04:27 Introduction to Claudine

04:27 - 18:21 Presentation

18:21 - 60:00 (end) Q & A

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Source:

Claudine's dicussion was based on this statement:

Sport England launched its sustainability strategy in May 2024, stating “We believe nothing has the potential to suppress physical activity, along with the health and happiness benefits it brings, more than climate change – whether it's disrupting major events or thwarting mass participation.And it will be those least active and most deprived who'll suffer the most. We know participation levels are being affected by the increasing prevalence of extreme weather events such as heatwaves and flooding.

And, like the rest of society, the sport and physical activity sector is contributing to, and exacerbating, these effects.

We have multiple impacts on the environment, through energy consumption in our facilities and in travelling to participation opportunities, and through the equipment we use and waste we create.”

Grassroots sports clubs and recreational grounds play a significant role in the physical and social health and wellbeing of local communities. The vast majority are volunteer-led and already face significant challenges to maintain facilities. How can we help fix the leaking roof and tackle climate change?

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Presentation:

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Sustainability in Sport - The Case for Action - Claudine Pearson.pdf

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Chat text:

00:16:00 Nik Mckiernan: Hi. Listening on audio only 👍

00:17:34 Peter Bates: I will need to leave at 12:40 to go and do some paid work!!

00:25:39 Garry Ford: Andrew, is it the official view of the IPCC that 1.5C has been breached?

00:35:49 Amanda Davis: Personally Feeding the slugs well in the Cotswolds!!

00:40:20 Garry Ford: Cloud Forest (gardensbythebay.com.sg)

00:42:51 Amanda Davis: Belbin named his Plant well

00:44:54 Amanda Davis: Remember the huge power in FOMO!!!

00:51:10 Peter Bates: For the Burwell Carnival - we had an initial focus on “Health and the impact of Climate Change “ based upon some research done at Imperial College, London See https://preview.shorthand.com/2pu7UIS8FPoNTki6?link_id=3&can_id=9b0d8ae2a9d7df014011998175b7a68d&source=email-imaginarium-burwell-carnival-follow-up&email_referrer=email_2374314&email_subject=imaginarium-burwell-carnival-follow-up 00:51:32 Peter Bates: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/grantham/publications/briefing-papers/?link_id=5&can_id=9b0d8ae2a9d7df014011998175b7a68d&source=email-imaginarium-burwell-carnival-follow-up&email_referrer=email_2374314&email_subject=imaginarium-burwell-carnival-follow-up

00:53:18 Peter Bates: Inspire, Educate, Persuade https://eastcambscan.org/about/

00:54:11 Peter Bates: Sorry I need to go!!

00:58:06 Garry Ford: I use a slide with 18 impacts of climate change for the UK

00:58:42 Amanda Davis: Child pester power is great too. When footie fields flood, this is a way for the kids teams to "educate / interest / desire" and take back into home

00:59:03 Amanda Davis: Replying to "I use a slide with 1..."

would love to see that Garry

01:01:50 Garry Ford: Replying to "I use a slide with 1..."

I can send it to you Amanda

01:02:08 Amanda Davis: Replying to "I use a slide with 1..."

[e-mail]

01:02:15 Amanda Davis: Reacted to "I can send it to you..." with ❤️

01:03:39 Amanda Davis: Let's talk about climate change... Linda Aspey ….. addresses psychology

01:04:06 Helen Dye: https://www.routledge.com/The-Low-Carbon-Good-Life/Pretty/p/book/9781032388205

01:04:21 Amanda Davis: How Climate psychology can improve our climate conversations

01:04:49 Belinda Bawden: Climate Deniers are alive and well in Lyme Regis, I'm afraid!

The town council recently undertook a public consultation on our 20mph proposal and an anti-Climate Change group called Climate Con jumped on it and skewed the results to say 'No'. The climate deniers on the town council are cock-a-hoop and will no doubt reject the proposal on the strength of the skewed public survey.

We also have organised climate deniers disrupting meetings and hustings in the south west.

01:06:34 Helen Dye: For using nature, and nature connectedness as the 'entry point' https://findingnature.org.uk/

01:07:08 Jacky Lawrence, Napton PC Climate and Environment Working Party: Reacted to "Climate Deniers are ..." with 😭

01:07:19 Amanda Davis: Health Education behaviour change lessons re quit smoking in the naughties

01:07:45 Linda Cox: Town councils seem to be full of climate deniers, though things are changing with the push to achieve net zero. About 10 years ago cycling group I am in proposed a few routes so children could cycle to school and people get around town easier, we were treated like idiots and called a minority pressure group!

01:07:48 Helen Dye: Climate deniers are also alive and kicking in Cambridgeshire!

01:09:37 Helen Dye: https://www.climatepsychologyalliance.org/

01:09:52 Belinda Bawden: Replying to "I use a slide with 1..."

I'd love to see that too, Garry. [e-mail] Thanks, Belinda

01:10:49 Garry Ford: Reacted to "I'd love to see that..." with 👍

01:12:00 Bonny Williams: Here's a link to the 40 Ways to Reduce your Carbon Footprint poster https://www.pacemanningtree.org.uk/copy-of-earth-festival

01:12:36 Bonny Williams: Here's a link to the Thirty for 30 from Professor Jules Pretty at the University of Essex https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/environment/climate/thirty-for-30-how-to-reduce-your-carbon-footprint/

01:12:39 tristram cary: Belinda I'm sorry to hear that you have climate deniers, but in my experience they mostly accept there is a climate crisis but they don't agree that the suggested solutions are effective. For instance they may think 20 mph is damaging to the economy.

01:13:25 Bonny Williams: Replying to "Here's a link to the..."

If you'd like the artwork for this to create a hyperlocal one for your area, please contact me at [e-mail]

01:13:30 tristram cary: I'm sorry but I need to leave now. Thank you Andrew.

01:13:44 Garry Ford: Replying to "Belinda I'm sorry to..."

Tristram, Reform are very clear in their message that climate change is not caused by humans.

01:14:30 Belinda Bawden: Replying to "Here's a link to the..."

Yes, please, Bonny. [e-mail]

01:15:20 Bonny Williams: Replying to "Here's a link to the..."

No probs, Belinda 01:17:02 Amanda Davis: Replying to "Here's a link to the..."

@Bonny Williams may I have this too please [e-mail] MANY thanks

01:17:03 frank deas: Thanks everyone for really helpful conversations and ideas. need to go now

01:19:11 Helen Dye: Replying to "Belinda I'm sorry to..."

Quote from the Reform candidate for the Huntingdon Constituency: "In the war on the motorist, I'm firmly on the side of the motorist, which in practice means 90% of the public and business."

01:20:21 Andrew Maliphant: www.slcc.co.uk/climate-action/

01:20:48 sarah woffenden: sorry

01:20:53 Tim Rickard: In the Forest of Dean we have a comprehensive Climate Action Plan. See also, Lancaster, Cornwall, Lewes and many others….

01:22:13 Bonny Williams: Replying to "Here's a link to the..."

Yes, of course, Amanda.

01:23:07 Amanda Davis: Replying to "Here's a link to the..."

🙏 01:23:14 sarah woffenden: thank you very much excellent - really helpful

01:23:16 Tim Rickard: Thank you, Andrew, Bravo!

01:23:20 Belinda Bawden: Dorset Council has a great Sustainability team and Strategy but have struggled, in my opinion, to reach out to their county with their expertise and practical actions. We're working on it as we have a new (LibDem) administration

01:23:44 Belinda Bawden: Thanks, Andrew!

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Meeting Summary for 14Aug24:

Aug 14, 2024 11:47 AM London ID: 834 5460 8536

Claudine, a newly appointed climate officer, led a discussion on the impact of climate change on sports and the importance of sustainability strategies in sports. The team also discussed the financial implications of implementing sustainability strategies, the importance of adaptation and mitigation strategies in sports clubs, and the need for further discussions on solutions.

Climate Change, Sports, and Sustainability Discussion

Claudine expressed her concerns about presenting solely through slides, recalling previous successful discussions without visual aids. She then proceeded to present on the impact of climate change on sports, using a recent article by Chris Boardman as a reference. The team welcomed new attendees and discussed ongoing improvements, with Jools experiencing some technical difficulties. Claudine, a newly appointed climate officer, shared her belief in the power of sport to transform communities and her involvement in various organizations promoting sustainability. The discussion also revealed diverse sports-related interests and activities among the attendees, with Claudine inviting feedback and questions on sustainability strategies.

Climate Change and Sports Disruption

Claudine led a discussion on the impact of climate change on sports. She highlighted how extreme weather and water quality issues have disrupted sporting events, such as the Paris Olympics and the British Association for Sustainability in Sport's concern for international athletes. Claudine also mentioned the Worcester Cricket Club's potential move due to flooding and the link between climate change and popular sports like golf, football, and cricket. She also noted local issues, such as water quality problems in the River Wye and the cancellation of a regatta due to lack of water.

Sports, Sustainability, and Collaboration Efforts

Claudine initiated a discussion about the relationship between sports and sustainability, highlighting both the positive and negative impacts of sports on the environment. She emphasized the role of sports clubs in tackling climate change and the importance of sustainability strategies. Claudine also discussed the efforts of various sports organizations in developing sustainability strategies and the need for collaboration with local communities and environmental groups. Andrew raised concerns about the financial implications of implementing sustainability strategies in sports, while Stuart shared his recent interest in sustainability and mentioned Forest Green's efforts to build a carbon-neutral stadium.

Sustainable Sports and Environmental Challenges

Claudine and Stuart discussed the importance of promoting sustainable practices in sports, using examples like Forest Green to encourage more eco-friendly behavior. Amanda shared her experiences in dragon boating and highlighted the challenges of competing on an international level, as well as the issue of flooding affecting sports grounds and the problem of light pollution from sports facilities. She also invited participation in a class action against polluters and shared her role as a director with Minnie County Co-OP, which is funding a community fund to encourage sustainability-based bids from sports clubs. Lastly, Jools and Claudine discussed the impact of transport and travel on sports and the environment, and proposed a follow-up conversation to further explore these topics.

Strategic Collaboration on Climate Resilience Studies

tim proposed increasing engagement with Claudine in the hub, while Jacky suggested strategic collaboration on climate resilience studies. Claudine emphasized the importance of adaptation and mitigation strategies in sports clubs in response to climate change, highlighting the need for risk assessments and policies to ensure athlete safety. Amanda proposed a model biodiversity policy for clubs and suggested ways to reduce energy bills and promote sustainability, including composting and using green spaces. David stressed the need to address the integrated set of problems, including biodiversity and net-zero awareness, beyond individual issues.

Adaptability, Sports, and Climate Solutions

David discussed the human body's adaptability to extreme temperatures and the importance of considering the wet bulb globe temperature (WBGT) when planning activities. Claudine highlighted the impact of extreme temperatures on sports pitches and the wider environmental implications, emphasizing the need to consider playing fields as potential sources of energy. She proposed further discussions on solutions in a few months. Andrew introduced Ed Gimbels, a climate activist and leader of the climate party, as the speaker for the next meeting.

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To Do list:

Claudine to follow up with Jools regarding transport and travel aspects of Sport England's strategy.

Claudine to research and provide examples of climate adaptation strategies for sports clubs.

Tim to connect with Claudine to discuss potential collaboration with the Midlands Net Zero Hub.

Claudine to investigate Sport England's guidance on climate adaptation for clubs.

Claudine to prepare a more comprehensive presentation on sports and sustainability solutions for a future meeting.

Andrew to facilitate Ed Gimbels' presentation at the next meeting.

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Related article:

Climate crisis: Extreme weather affecting grassroots sport, study showsBBC Sport

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Andrew Maliphant: Welcome, Jonathan.

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Andrew Maliphant: Hi, Matisse, yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Apologies for the slightly slow start caused by I don't know what, but we'll get it sorted.

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Andrew Maliphant: Those other people are still trying to get in, but we'll give it a go for those who've not met my lovely face before. My name is Andrew Malafant. I'm just coming. No, I haven't just come up with the word. I'm here from the great collaboration we're going to talk about. What are the messages that we can get across to people quite often when we're doing training events, or maybe even training events like this, we find ourselves preaching to the converted. Then eventually those numbers dwindle because the people who are converted are getting good stuff from elsewhere. They don't have to listen to us anymore.

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Andrew Maliphant: So where? What is the way of getting our messages across to people who are not perhaps as committed as we are.

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Andrew Maliphant: This is an early stages, because time was when we had different messages, which all seemed gone past their sale by date, and be very glad to hear from what people are thinking about, how we might add

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Andrew Maliphant: some extra messages just now, and how we might devise them. So this meeting is being recorded, the ideas that we have will be collected. Very keen myself to get some of these messages straight, and how we do them.

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Andrew Maliphant: Just to say, because it's being recorded if people do not want their their

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Andrew Maliphant: This is a great Irish community, called Frank Carson, and his catchphrase goes was the way we the way I tell him it's the way I tell him

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Andrew Maliphant: sadly. No longer with us. Where we are today. I think it is the way we tell him the word climate turns about a 3rd of our audience off at the moment.

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Andrew Maliphant: We get use it all the day amongst ourselves. And that's why.

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Andrew Maliphant: But we have to think of different ways of getting our message across, because different people are thinking about this in different ways.

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Andrew Maliphant: So, for example, I went to events in Cardiff the other week, and they said, it's no good trying to get Pete engaged in an atmosphere of impending doom. We're all doomed if we have that sort of atmosphere that's not going to work very well.

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Andrew Maliphant: We know what the issues are. We can see it very clearly on that graph from NASA. We understand what the issues are ourselves. But that isn't going to actually make the big difference to a number of people out there in our nation, Great Britain, the United Kingdom. So let's have a look

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Andrew Maliphant: at the whole issue. Some of the messages that have come out so far on the topic that which we engaged in

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Andrew Maliphant: going all the way back to 1972 there was this Stockholm Conference. I was still at school at the time. I don't know anybody else remembers that everyone deserves a clean, healthy environment, was apparently the summary from that particular event

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Andrew Maliphant: we know about the Brunton Commission, our common future, which is a publication. We can get online

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Andrew Maliphant: sustainable development, promote economic growth or protect the environment for future generations. If you remember there was a catchphrase about

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Andrew Maliphant: making use of the resources. But while making sure that future generations also have access to resources which is a longer way of putting the same thing together. So these things have been around for a while. Real World Summit 1992. Of course.

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Andrew Maliphant: lots of things were being said at that occasion, some great international cooperation on that. Again, Thomas may remember agenda 21. We're certainly getting a whole lot more detail, combating poverty, conserving, managing natural resources, system and agriculture, and so forth. All these notes are going to be shared at the end of the meeting. Also. Don't, don't frankly have to write all these things down.

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Andrew Maliphant: So you know, there's been a lot going on for a while, and it's being the messages in a way, been getting more detailed as we go along

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Andrew Maliphant: into the governmental panel on climate change, said, in 2,015,

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Andrew Maliphant: global warming goes an average of 1.5 degrees centigrade above pre-industrial levels. They may lead to irreversible changes.

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Andrew Maliphant: And that was a message that we've been using quite a lot of using. Quite recently.

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Andrew Maliphant: However, we reached that last year.

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Andrew Maliphant: So what are we going to say next? Because I certainly can't say that anymore, were the positive messages. Let's think about what can we say things in in a positive way

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Andrew Maliphant: This seems to be the sort of place we're all in at the moment, you know, we've got to think about what is the effective message and how we get it across, but also listening to people and see what they say to it when they hear it, because other people people have other different priorities that have other things on their minds.

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Andrew Maliphant: So let's have a look at the audiences. Now, we've got here something that was being researched by the charity called climate outreach. So the only charity, only British charity focusing on public engagement with climate change, which is certain. Quite something. So they've done this work. There's a link there to where the the work is there. And they've

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Andrew Maliphant: So progressive activists, they say, vocal and passionate, politically active. I won't read out all of these things because it's there.

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Andrew Maliphant: Civic pragmatists. People are wanting to do stuff. They'd like to get their hands dirty, get into stuff. They want to know how to do things. They're looking to support progressive climate policies when they see them. So show me they need to see.

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Andrew Maliphant: They need to see what they can do, what can make a difference. So this is about showing people that something happening. So this this is a theme to come back to, I think, as we go forward. So that's an 8th of the population will likely to get involved

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Andrew Maliphant: Disengaged battlers. These are people who are having trouble making ends meet, keeping their lives together, doing all the things that they have to do to survive from day to day, and they may think it's important, but they actually haven't got the time to do it. Get involved in it.

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Andrew Maliphant: We do need to get the messages out. We do need to communicate. It's not a single person job. So let's think about maybe having a bit of an effort on on teams and where it is in our groups we're working a lot of us working in teams already. Great collaboration. There's a great team

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Andrew Maliphant: And as ever, this is something, I say, at least once every day. Let us go forward together. It needs to be a team effort. Anybody now or after this meeting has got some ideas about communication and how we get these things together. Let's please share.

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Andrew Maliphant: So is that. Is it the official view of the Ipcc. That 1.5 degrees C has been breached. I'm not sure, Gary, but I've been assured by a number of people that it's accurate.

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Bonny Williams: Yeah, it's just so wonderful to be reminded of these things. I've come across the that piece of research before the different categories. But actually, I think they've updated it since I last read it. And it's just for me those different categories of kind of people in the Uk are just so poignant, so spot on, and actually just. It's fundamental marketing principles about tailoring. The message to the audience is absolutely key. I suppose, for me, what's useful here is thinking about how we

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Bonny Williams: can make several different messages from one organization. And I've really found that in the work I do with pace. So in terms of talking about any kind of activity, but particularly community climate action. What I've noticed is that you have to communicate several different sets of messages on several different channels, and I think this is you know the messages we can. We're kind of putting across

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Bonny Williams: have to fit the audience and have to fit the channel. So, for example, quite often locally, when we're doing things, there's a whole collection of people I won't reach. If, for example, if I talk on social media because they just don't do social media. There's a slightly older demographic local to where I live, who only really see posters

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Bonny Williams: And so we do come in for quite a lot of flak if we put posters up and then cover them in plastic. So we, for example, locally, we found a way of talking about the activity we're doing on posters, but with what we've found to be waterproof paper that doesn't

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Bonny Williams: involve plastic. It's some magic sorcery. So just as a sort of local tip to get the message you want on the right channel. If any of you do need to kind of raise awareness locally. That is a very helpful thing. I'll dig out a link for it and share it in case it's helpful for any of the rest of you. But yeah, the mess. The right message for the right audience is just

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay, many, many thanks, Bonnie, and I'm a huge fan of posters myself. we got some if we got some billboards up while people are doing some building work. Ask great big blank spaces to put posters on. There we go. Peter.

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Amanda Davis: Now. So my reference to personally feeding the slugs well in the Cotswolds is that I have this year really taken 2 allotments.

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Amanda Davis: we didn't realize we hadn't thought of before. Or do you see what I mean? You don't know what you don't know until you're with a group of people that are trying to solve the same things or trying to have conversations about something that then you find you add to your own armament. But the last bit that I put in the chat was, remember the huge power in Fomo.

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Amanda Davis: and I think there are the healthy middle that are interested enough to feel left out if they're not included in having an allotment or coming along to something, and I think few of our councillors on councils, too. You've got the one or 2 that are prepared to do the work, and then you've got plenty others that don't want to be, not on the committee.

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Amanda Davis: that actually, most of what's produced in China is for our market. So it's actually our carbon and not theirs.

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Helen Dye: and we say messaging. But I think it's it's not so much about messaging. It's about being realistic about what you can achieve. So I've just, I'm trying to just distill my thoughts down. People won't

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Helen Dye: what you can do what your demographics are, and if you haven't got some things in place, no matter of how many good ideas or good intentions you have, it's just not gonna happen. So I kind of look at, yeah, you can do all the marketing stuff which is tried, tested. It's a science run campaign sprints, you know. Get your colorful messages out there to your audience, hire your marketing company because I find that

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Helen Dye: 99 of people don't understand campaigning or marketing, and so I think you need a critical mass of people that understand that I often recall. You know, Ada, attention, interest, desire, action. If what you're actually wanting to do to create to just generate an action.

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Helen Dye: you know. Think through those useful little acronyms in addition to the other one that was just mentioned there. So Aida, attention, interest, desire, action. People aren't moved to action unless they have some reason to want to protect something, engage with something, or there's some benefit to them.

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Helen Dye: In terms of the longer term thing. Yes, the rituals and stories that we have are hugely important. And so those things that have been happening in their communities for the last, you know 100 200 300 years longer. In some places what can be done? What seeds of change can be planted within those rituals that can begin to embed some of these kind of

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Helen Dye: It's some tradition that's been going for a hundred years. It's I can't remember. It's the name of somebody but bread ceremony. It's when all of the poor people in the town were given bread, and even up until.

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Helen Dye: and it's like, Well, can we not use that ritual to put in locally produced bread, you know, local produce and distribute that to the community. You know, in the kind of if you have sort of ceremonies that you conduct in your parishes, how can some aspects of that be adapted to signal and reinforce that? Times have changed and things need to change? We need to keep hold on the things that give us meaning and

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Helen Dye: and continuity. But what you know, what can change to establish a new set of considerations that we have to bring in into our civic life. So they're all. There's sort of just some of the things.

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Helen Dye: But you do need a critical mass of people. And one thing somebody once said to me is, people have to want to enjoy being together. So if you're going to create new teams. You have to really generate that build on the social glue. And if people can't find out how local people express their social connections.

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Helen Dye: and many people just don't, you know, will never kind of integrate climate literacy with into that. So what can you do with those enlightened souls that can to

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Helen Dye: and although you're not actually asking about climate change. Actually, most of people quite a lot of people's responses can be linked to you know, making the streets safer, making the streets cleaner. Making more local food available through retail outlets. You know that sort of thing. And so it sort of requires that those clever, you know, Liberal, whatever we are, Social Democratic.

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Helen Dye: But you know, whatever the label was. To be really clever about. You know, doing those things, and I always say, you know, identify 3 things you can do really well and do them, and it has far more impact than 10 half baked good ideas that don't quite follow through.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well, that that's that's a brilliant shillings worth Helen, and I've been making frantic notes here. Thank you very, very much for this. You've obviously been a long way down this journey already. Great, thank you. Stuart.

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Andrew Maliphant: Right. Thank you very much. Let's do it. Yes, I think the I think we're getting you or getting a very good handle today on on the processes and the approaches we need to take. But the more we can get in terms of obviously practical, reusable ideas through this, the better. We'll obviously need to start collecting them. Tristram.

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tristram cary: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for your talk, Andrew. Very good. I have a slightly different view of this. Cause I it strikes me that of your 8 types of people who have a different attitude to climate change.

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tristram cary: what's common about them all is that nobody, nobody can say. This is what we have to do. Here's a here's a proven system that will help us reduce carbon by getting community energy in a big way. Some of them start by having little messages, saying, Well, let's let's persuade people of our posters not to overfill our kettles, and that's that's fine. But it. But I think, get some of those groups get frustrated. They say, well, that's not going to solve the problem. That's that's really chipping at the very edge. It's important, but it's not a solution.

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tristram cary: And so it's sort of faded away. But if you know, if you if we could have a proven method of getting community energy done, and a and a sort of script that a parish could follow, that, I think, would make a massive difference. And that's what I think the great collaboration is about

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tristram cary: analyzing all the methods that have been tried, working out which ones work and writing them up with case studies. So that so that you know, at a local level, people can say, we know this works, let's do it. And that that's to me by far the biggest problem.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah. And that's our. That's our Google mission. Absolutely. Yeah. Many, many thanks for that. Yeah.

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Bonny Williams: Tristan just to say that Professor Jules Pretty, at the University of Essex, has done a really helpful piece of research. And he's basically identified the top kind of. I think it's 30 different actions that you could take as an individual that do are proven to make a difference. And he's kind of allocated.

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Bonny Williams: If you do this, how much carbon per year would you save?

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Bonny Williams: And it's actually a very accessible, useful way of looking at it. So I'm I'll find the link for it and share it in a bit.

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Bonny Williams: Just to that point and thinking about your group, you know that you were mentioning that's closed down. One of the things we do in pace is, we've got a matrix where we decide how which projects are run. Basically. And one of the things I've noticed is that although you do need like a collection of team roles done ultimately, no project will run without a leader.

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Bonny Williams: So what we've identified in our matrix of how to decide which projects is that among other things, we choose projects that have a steady and kind of consistent leader who's prepared to commit. And then we know that we also need a backup person to that leader who's prepared to step in if they aren't able to consistently do it.

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Bonny Williams: What we found is that that will usually ensure the success of a project or a group. So, among other things, you also need to have the resources. It needs to be something that involves our local community. It needs to be something that actually does

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Bonny Williams: So I would say that the I mean I've used Bellwain team types in a business context forever. But it's very helpful to sort of remind ourselves of it. But I would say that the team can form, but not until they can form around a leader. And that's what we've noticed in our groups is that the leader must come first.st So either, probably not, the shaper needs to come first.st In that context.

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Bonny Williams: One of the other things we did locally was, we put together a poster called the 40 Ways. And it's basically 40 ways for you to take action locally. And it's a poster which we initially created. And we hyper localized it. So we specifically put on there.

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Bonny Williams: Ways that you things that related to our local area. So specific bus routes, for example, where we've made a difference or specific trees or parts that needed

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Bonny Williams: Made available. We've made the artwork available so it can be localized to any group. And we found that that had quite good traction. But in terms of whether it actually generated action. That is, I agree, the hardest bit to monitor, because even if it does create action often, you won't know

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Bonny Williams: And so I think that's 1 of the that's really the final point that for me is quite pertinent here is that, you know. Yes, we will go out and talk to people, and yet we won't know what that's done, and it's tempting to feel it hasn't done anything. But what we've noticed locally is that

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Bonny Williams: When I did the climate literacy training a little while ago, the carbon literacy training. Sorry what they were saying. There was. People haven't really got the tolerance for being told anything. They don't want to be told. What they want is to be asked questions. So just to refer back to that point, I can't remember who just said it. But what we've noticed is that if you ask people their perspective on this, that or the other, if you ask them to talk to you about.

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Bonny Williams: I don't know parents who sit outside school with their engine idling, for example, they will certainly have an opinion, and actually asking them about that, and having them express an opinion, even to the detriment of climate change just raises its awareness. And that's actually one of the things that kind of scientifically, the carbon literacy project has said makes a difference is just to raise the issues in people's minds, and it reminded me of a

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Bonny Williams: a selling principle that I learned years ago about planting seeds. So yeah, you might not feel this conversation that you have with somebody has made any difference whatsoever, and maybe it hasn't. But from a fundamental marketing perspective, you may need to contact somebody 7 times with the same message before you might get action.

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Bonny Williams: So if you think that the 1st conversation, perhaps plants the seed to the second conversation, maybe waters it. The 3rd conversation maybe allows it to break through the surface of the ground. Yeah, you get the analogy. So even when we feel we haven't made a difference. We probably have.

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Andrew Maliphant: Right. Thank you very much for that. Yes, yeah, I'm so I'm I'm so pleased you're here, Bonnie, because this is obviously fantastic. Fantastic. Okay, Amanda.

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Amanda Davis: Thank you. I'm really enjoying listening to everybody's contributions, because just when you think that you've got something cracked, there's another angle you haven't thought of, and you could have thought of it. But it's take somebody else to actually articulate it, to add it onto your long list. And I wanted to say when we're working with other people. I mean, I put in the chat that I was involved in a lot of health education and also within schools.

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Amanda Davis: education, behavioral change projects, and we could do worse than having a look at some of the lessons from there around the quit smoking campaigns, for example, and very much the nanny state, and so on. And I think people harden their feelings about RAM Covid times about being told so. I very much always appreciate reminders about asking people questions and engaging.

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Amanda Davis: But when you look at it on an individual level, because ultimately we as a society, are a group of multiple individuals.

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Amanda Davis: And the psychology of the anxiety that comes with it. Or we might have children who are expressing climate anxiety. And I'd like to make a suggestion, perhaps, for somebody who I might be able to encourage.

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Amanda Davis: to take part in one of these sessions as a presenter. And that's Linda Aspie, who I put details in the chat, but she does. Let's talk honestly. Apologies. She's talking to me about climate there.

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Amanda Davis: Linda, does this talk? It's an interactive workshop that she does. But I'm sure she could be invited to do something here. And it's basically about how climate psychology can improve our climate conversations.

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Amanda Davis: And it seems directly relevant to what we're doing here today. And she's local to me in the, you know, North Cotswolds area.

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Andrew Maliphant: Alright. Thank you. Very kind. Yeah. Well, that's great. We always need more speakers in these events. By the way, so this, thank you for that idea any other ideas on any topic. Please let us know.

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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you very much, Mada. Helen.

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Helen Dye: I've just put a few links in the chat. But I've worked a lot in health research and behavioral change around information security and so forth. So there is some

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Helen Dye: people, yeah, going back to the stories thing. People respond to places they know and people they know where they can see themselves and people they know and places they know. So case studies, yes, are really important. But case studies of places and people that are familiar and often told by people they know. So that thing about trust people, the right people and yes, case studies. And I always think, yeah, they're brilliant. But

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Helen Dye: me. You know you're inundated. There are maybe case studies of, you know, communities in Cornwall in Scotland have done amazing community energy seems, but because people go with just in their heads. It's a long way off. It doesn't necessarily translate different set, different set circumstances. So I get the thing about case studies. And I'm always saying, Yeah, we need more case studies. But they sort of need to be local case studies and things like community schemes are really, really complicated sometimes.

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Helen Dye: and I think you have to be realistic about what is and isn't in place within your tiers of authorities.

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Helen Dye: You know, and I know here in Cambridgeshire. Peterborough, for example. Did. Got some Ukri monies to do a pathfinder around community energy, and then they so they got I don't know how many was hundreds of thousands, and they've got 3 million as a next stage to take that on. That was Peterborough, Cambridgeshire thought. Oh, perhaps we need that bit of that. So they've now got some money, and I'll look at from Ukraine

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Helen Dye: what a pathway might look like for that. So I think you've got to be realistic about your sphere of concern and your sphere of influence. And there's no, you know, just thinking, well, we need a community energy scheme. But if your district or higher tier authority doesn't have a clue, a target, a strategy, it's really really difficult, almost impossible.

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Helen Dye: So you know, gotta be clear about what is in place and what isn't in place at your various tiers to actually what will happen on the ground. I say that as an example, here in Cambridgeshire, we had, we started off doing

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Helen Dye: climate, conversation, climate cafes, and they've become to be themed, and we had a really really good energy one with some great speakers from from the County Council, a couple of local experts, and so forth, and people came together, and that they thought that was an amazing meeting

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Helen Dye: it just we haven't got the policies in place, you know, or sufficient groundswell of interest to actually make something happen. But a few people went away. Probably I don't know, have insulated their house better, or investigated. Air source heat pumps or something.

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Helen Dye: And I also say often, and Peter Bates will know this. Because it's a i think it's a village on his patch. There's a there's an area, a village in Cambridgeshire that has been always used in Cambridgeshire as a model community energy scheme. But I think it took about 10 years to develop and was part of a research project. And you actually happen to have some really really clever people living in that village. And so you might have this super case study and go. Oh, if they can do it, we can do it. But actually, it took years to develop.

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Helen Dye: you know what can be achieved and what isn't in place and attend to the conditions that create the opportunities and so that people's ideas can be managed. And you don't want to obviously shut down people's ideas, but only a certain amount of things realistically can be achieved if the kind of infrastructure or the policies aren't in place.

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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you very much. Yeah. I'm a great believer that every project has its time, and that it will. It will happen over time. But I think when I'm beginning to think that while we've got action plans for our area, we also now need communications plans as well, because if we're going to get it done. We need to think about how we get people engaged. Very much so. And that's really the story. At the moment, David, you got your hand up, sir.

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David Morgan-Jones: Yeah, Hi, I'm just picking up a point. Just carrying on a bit of the conversation. Tristram started.

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David Morgan-Jones: I'm also in the same district as Tristram, and we've been working at the district level.

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David Morgan-Jones: certainly dealing with the one that we're dealing with, they haven't got a clue

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David Morgan-Jones: So it strikes me that there's a a real deficit in terms of the ability

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David Morgan-Jones: understand what resources are available. And there seems to be a lot.

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David Morgan-Jones: And how do you translate that understanding

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David Morgan-Jones: and one of the things I'm going to try and do is there's a consultancy firm that I work for, that. I'm going to try and bring in

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Andrew Maliphant: thank you for that, David. I mean around the country it varies enormously. Some counties and districts are well up for this and getting into it, and some aren't, and very much that reflects down at parish and town and council level as well. So we've got there are different levels that we're doing things with a great collaboration. We've got some working groups, for example, we're developing a pilot action, as many of us know, in East Anglia, Cambridgeshire, Essex, Norfolk, and Suffolk.

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Andrew Maliphant: And we're having some working groups there pulling. How we approach those audiences which is again part of the inspiration for today's session, and very much sports clubs are part of that team within that enterprise, and higher level authorities are in that as well, and what we're hoping to learn is as we get through. Not only we've got to make a difference. On the ground. In East Anglia we learn a lot more how we can make a difference elsewhere in the country as well.

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Andrew Maliphant: So there's 4 counties. There'll be another 36 to go, but that's very much where we're at, and I'm so pleased to have all the feedback and the discussion we've had today, because I think this is about going back to Mister Frank Carson. It's the way we tell them we have to find the way to tell them which makes a difference and so bring things forward.

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Andrew Maliphant: There's also questions about how we collect data from, you know, results of actions. That's something we're looking at to within the pilot. We're looking at having digital mapping systems had to leave us, but working with parish online on a digital mapping process whereby where carrot parachutes log in and get involved in the project. Then they record how they're getting on.

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Andrew Maliphant: And so we were looking at how we can involve that in there as well. Certainly in terms of teams. We're looking at finding ways of finding people to get engaged with stuff. I'm just gonna have a quick share of something on the screen again.

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Andrew Maliphant: which is our template for actions a guidance that we're producing. This is what our Sarah battery calls the one pager, and you'll see. Here's the project right at the top. Who's going to be the leader? Who's going to be the partners for it? This is particularly gauged at aimed at parishes and town councils, but of course it can apply to other bodies and groups as well

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Andrew Maliphant: skills, resources, materials. Some case studies are great, but they tend to show, you know. Tell us roughly how they did it. Nice picture of the ribbon cutting. But don't tell you all this detail, all these different things, and this is the bit that I'm particularly keen on the steps to success. How do we actually get this going somewhere else in the country? And these things are about outcomes and measurements as well. So that's just a quick look at the kind of approach we're looking for, gathering guidance and good practice.

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Andrew Maliphant: Within the great collaboration. Amanda, put your hand up.

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Amanda Davis: Are you able to share that with us, Andrew?

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, I will put that in the chat. There is.

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Amanda Davis: That template would really help. Sometimes I find there's a lot of enthusiasm in the room, but then, when you leave the room, it's not clear. Who's actions? What? Or have we captured every angle? And I just think, if we've got like a checklist it's it's a really helpful. Just have that framework to capture it all.

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sarah woffenden: Thank you.

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Amanda Davis: You, Andrew.

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sarah woffenden: They're talking about climate deniers and and how to.

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Andrew Maliphant: Fine. No problem, Claire. There we go. Thought you're talking to me right? No problem at all.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well, we've had some great stuff in discussion with some great stuff in the chat. I think I'm gonna have to go away and put someone ahead together with some of this. I'm so glad I could be in touch with them present.

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Andrew Maliphant: Bonnie and Ellen and Mandan, and various people here, because we need to be gathering some of this stuff, because not only do we need to do it ourselves through the great collaboration. We need to help other people to do it as well. So I guess there is going to be. We have got a page in our development websites at the moment about communication. And I think a lot of the things that we've been talking about today will be need to be on it to inform it to help us talk about things way forward. Yeah. I mean the the 7 different

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Andrew Maliphant: audiences. It. It's interesting. Some of the language in there is is a little bit tricky, but I mean, at least it reminds us that there are going to be different types of people out there. There are still some climate deniers out there. Of course, there's still some climate deniers chairing parish and town councils, and I get to hear about those on a regular basis. So we have quite often I have to try and help somebody think how they speak to those things. One of that. One of the ways around that, of course, is

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Andrew Maliphant: Maybe we're not the right people to be having that conversation. We need to find something else to do it.

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Andrew Maliphant: Some of us have got the gift of the gap. We can do things, I mean our friend Jules Thompson from Suffolk. He's not here today, but he's he's a big one on on selling stories and and so forth, so we can always rely on Jules to get messages across in a in a lively sort of way. So he he's our guy for that.

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Andrew Maliphant: Hi, Jules, he's not here. Okay, you may see the recording.

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Andrew Maliphant: So I think we've done very well here. Thank you so much. It's 10 min past one just now. Is there anybody else got any more points they'd like to raise, or any more questions they'd like to ask. Put them in the chat, by all means, because we'll chase these up

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Andrew Maliphant: alright. Okay, thank you very much. I believe next week it's some. It's is it? 9 trees? Something like that? They'll. I'll send a message round about next week. There is our friend Graham, usually Jesse Sessions to say he's in a boat in the middle of the very Biscay at the moment. So

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Andrew Maliphant: I did. I did share within the old line, you know if you'd get. If you'd

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Andrew Maliphant: he goes and drowns himself, I'll never speak to him again. He did smile. Okay, so we'll see. We'll see him all again soon.

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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you very much for coming, and we will see you again very shortly. Take care.

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Tim Rickard: Thanks, Andrew. Tour de force. Well done!

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah. And I was. It needed to be done. And I'm so glad that you came together right. I was a bit panicking this morning, as you know.

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Tim Rickard: That, for

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Tim Rickard: statue was terrific, and I may pass on to you an absolutely brilliant presentation that was given by Duncan Hayes in the forest as part of our green drinks. It is, you know. Unfortunately, he won't be there, as it were, to present the the individual information.

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Tim Rickard: But it is, it's you just need to look at it and think, yeah, absolutely. This guy's knows on it, and very much reinforcing what Bonnie was saying a lot to do with marketing and language change.

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Tim Rickard: Look, if you don't mind, I'll send that to you personally, and I think.

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Andrew Maliphant: No, that's fine. Yeah.

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Tim Rickard: Make any use of it. I know Duncan would be very happy. He's a chap he lives in Yorkley.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay. Fine.

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Tim Rickard: Enormous experience as in marketing.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, yeah, green.

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Stuart Withington: I like the marketing behind you.

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Andrew Maliphant: Off.

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Tim Rickard: What do you mean now? That's real. I'm afraid that's like that's that's a misspent us.

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Andrew Maliphant: So there's the green green part to live today. Green drinks doesn't mean you're all sitting around drinking 7 up. It means.

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Tim Rickard: No, no.

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Andrew Maliphant: Is the green party at play.

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Tim Rickard: It doesn't even mean great parties open to everyone. It's a universal but I will send it on to you, and I'll do that. Now, okay, thanks again.

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Stuart Withington: Thanks. A lot. Nice time.

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Tim Rickard: Have a useful meeting. Take care!

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Amanda Davis: Andrew, may I capture a moment.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yes, indeed. Yeah.

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Amanda Davis: Thank you. Thank you for doing the Scribe Academy session. I I've had long Covid and.

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Andrew Maliphant: Why are you? Oh, gosh.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, the the coughing has been horrendous. I'm going for a chest X-ray in a minute.

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Andrew Maliphant: Oh, gosh!

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Amanda Davis: Sorry about this technology is not my friend today.

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Andrew Maliphant: I I nearly didn't go onto this session because the the link had changed.

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Amanda Davis: Just though the link seemed to be for next week.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, you could look in for next week. But then I clicked on for next week and I didn't get the the email confirming. So I don't know whether it now doesn't work. On the day of the of the used to log in on the day you see.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: Fortunately it's always the same. It's always the same meeting code and login. So I I was able to do it. But I was. Gosh, I was worried, you know.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, yeah, no, that these things just add to the stress, don't they? Even though you know your your subject intimately. It's the technology that adds the but I mean, I've been a teacher for years, and these things come and go, and I'm less anxious about it now. But

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Amanda Davis: that will probably trip me up on Tuesday. The point I was going to make quickly was from what you covered in what then? Turned out to be session? One rather than session? 2. What key messages are? From your perspective? Would you like me to make sure I've included

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Amanda Davis: in the second section.

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Andrew Maliphant: I think. We had. It was obviously a broad introduction based on the stuff we've already published off. The Slcc website.

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Andrew Maliphant: What I learned during the course

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Andrew Maliphant: and so therefore it's not in the notes. I don't believe is a chat ranging from the children's chap called Charles Hussey.

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Andrew Maliphant: and he says he had some practical experience with this biodiversity net game.

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Andrew Maliphant: And he said, There, there is a network of local environmental recordings

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Andrew Maliphant: which I didn't know.

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Andrew Maliphant: So when we're saying to people think, think about, you know, starting to collect the habitat data for your parish area so that you know what you're talking about so you could try and get if they say they can't do it on site. You say, we'll just do it around the court here, whatever on the one hand, and knowing what to protect anyway on the other.

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Andrew Maliphant: I hadn't realized that a lot of places won't be started from scratch because they've got stuffing from those county.

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Amanda Davis: Are you aware of the difference between the biodiversity, duty, and biodiversity? Net gain.

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Andrew Maliphant: Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, okay, so in that.

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Andrew Maliphant: Which bit are you doing.

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Amanda Davis: Well, exactly.

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Andrew Maliphant: I did a bit of both. You see.

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Amanda Davis: Okay, okay. So you were looking at Bng from the perspective of planning in that network. So presumably what you were hearing about from charles Pussy, then, was about the networks that go to underpin the planning side of Bng, and how councils are keeping themselves aware of

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Amanda Davis: the biodiversity net gain shouldn't. Because if you haven't got a baseline you can't tell how the planning is going to impact.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, what I'll do Amanda. I'll send you my presentation, Shawn, if you haven't got it already.

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Amanda Davis: That that's that would be lovely.

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Andrew Maliphant: You can see what I've said.

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Amanda Davis: Got your notes with it.

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Andrew Maliphant: But no, I I tended not to have have those, because I've done the biversity chat so many times.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: These days. But yes, I started talking about the biodiversity duty. Of course, it's slightly different in Wales.

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Andrew Maliphant: But then got into the the net gain side of things. And the parish. That's sorry. Slcc. We have actually has just produced a a a book of words on it all as well. So again, you get onto the climate action web page for Slcc, and and it's on there myself and Andrew Tartan combined on that.

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Andrew Maliphant: It is still early days. This is why I was so great to hear from this chap, Charles Hussey, because he's connected to the children's ionb as well, you see, so he's like your your equivalent.

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Amanda Davis: No landscape.

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Andrew Maliphant: Do they go pudding? Do they go?

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, I'll I, because I was in the A and B. Office. It's gonna hard. Take me a long time to get rid of the title.

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Amanda Davis: Me, too. I say the wrong one all the time, and of course we got the Conservation Board as well.

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Andrew Maliphant: The 1st for that, and that's what I felt they should have had in the Forest of Dean, but of course didn't.

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Andrew Maliphant: I'll tell you some more about that another time. Yeah.

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Amanda Davis: Mine, mine, mine! Is I. I think, that I this is why I'm saying it now, so I can tweak it in time. Mine is very much from a perspective of a busy counselor or a busy clerk.

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Andrew Maliphant: Great.

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Amanda Davis: And what can you do to get started if you're not already started? And how do you deal with the counselors, who are all kind of naysayers. You know, we got other priorities. Other people will do it. We don't need to.

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Andrew Maliphant: Now that.

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Amanda Davis: And the one that I got the other day in a committee from our vice chair no less.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah. And and what's gonna happen if we don't do it, then, Amanda, see, we don't have to do it, because there's nothing there to, you know. Hold us to account. So, if you don't mind. Don't tell me that. I'm not doing enough already, you know. I'm a very busy person. She got really, really upset and cross and and.

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Andrew Maliphant: It's hard to recover from things like that when people get round up. I've had a bit of some act with somebody else yesterday.

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Amanda Davis: Jordan.

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Amanda Davis: I mean. As it happened, I found out that she was. She literally just lost somebody that day who was close to her, and there was a bereavement behind it, etc. But you know, I think she'd misunderstood completely that I wasn't saying that.

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Amanda Davis: What I what I was emphasizing is it's too important for anybody not to be involved.

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Amanda Davis: and that therefore there's a place for everybody to do that bit more.

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Amanda Davis: and she was taking it. As I was saying, that counselors weren't working hard enough. No, I'm not saying that. And so, you know, not working smart enough.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well, it's enough.

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Amanda Davis: We're not prioritizing what we're working on. So, anyway. So it was really those very practical hands on. You know, I've been a clerk. I've been a counsellor.

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Amanda Davis: and I'm aware of what districts, counties Ao and B's. And then I was gonna look at a practical audit list as well, which is kind of like you may think you're doing nothing.

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Amanda Davis: You may be sat there feeling guilty that you haven't got started or you're frustrated. But actually you have got started, and if you put the list together in an audit of your local actions, and remember that your boundaries aren't the end of your actions because you're creating corridors that go into other areas. And remember that you've got blue spaces as well as green spaces. So think about your rivers and flooding and other things that you may already be doing

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Amanda Davis: the allotments, things that you know that are already out there, that you're doing. Your tree surveys your your cemeteries.

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Amanda Davis: you know you're doing it. You just haven't collected it all together through the lens of climate, maybe, and biodiversity. So if you do it that way, a simple desktop exercise, and you may feel you're so much further along than you realize. Give yourself a big pat on the back, and actually, that might energize some action

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Amanda Davis: because you're not starting from 0. Nobody is.

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Andrew Maliphant: No, I I reckon at least half counselors are doing something already. They don't realize it, you know.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, yeah. So that was, that was my plan. And then.

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Andrew Maliphant: No, that sounds great. Yeah, that that. Then that complements what I see. Yeah.

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Amanda Davis: Very down to Earth, and I'm not planning on doing anything that kind of cuts across the carbon literacy qualification. It was more about the very practicals of what you can do at a local level.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, I think that I had something that over 100 people there last week.

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Amanda Davis: Closer to 200. There's 204 signed up for mine.

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Andrew Maliphant: Oh, well, there you are. Yeah.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah. So if you've done it.

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Andrew Maliphant: I'm not. I'm not. Gonna take it. I'm not gonna take that hard. No, that's fine.

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Amanda Davis: No, you gotta take that as a compliment. It's because of your 1st session that I've got so many.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well, maybe so. Thank you for that. You have.

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Amanda Davis: And you had about 200, I believe.

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Andrew Maliphant: There were. There were 200, about 200 signed up, but they're only about over about 120 KI think.

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Amanda Davis: Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, of course. Okay, dokey the other thing is, when I teach Japanese students here in Borton, because they come every summer.

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Amanda Davis: I usually have to do a session on Esgs.

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Andrew Maliphant: Right.

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Amanda Davis: And what we're doing in this country because they come to learn all about this country.

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Amanda Davis: I'm ashamed to say that when I 1st did it, I had to say, What's an Esg. I haven't got a clue. What you're talking about. So I did. The whole session turned around to say right. Tell me what you're doing in Japan.

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Amanda Davis: and then we'll have a conversation about what we believe be, believe we may be doing in the Uk.

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Amanda Davis: And let's see what. So I I turned it around because I knew nothing about it at the time.

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Andrew Maliphant: Different society, but very similar geography. So, and similar sort of

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Andrew Maliphant: employment as well. Yeah, I know we need to do businesses and employment. Once we've got the community and and council bits under under wraps. But

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Andrew Maliphant: I'm meeting some people on next week from who are doing some work on this for Smes at Middlesex University of all places.

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Andrew Maliphant: So I'm I'm looking to get a group starting, working on that behind the scenes. We can't get it in onto great collaboration yet. But there we go.

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Amanda Davis: 2 2 things that have happened in my sphere of the other hats I wear

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Amanda Davis: quickly.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah. Fool.

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Amanda Davis: One is the Trade Union.

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Amanda Davis: I've been at trade union at a Congress sorry conference down in Brighton for a week.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah.

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Amanda Davis: And during that time I I've become green officer for unison's work, and we we had a a fringe meeting with Fogel Sharkey.

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Amanda Davis: but included all the work on the obviously, and Wasp.

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Amanda Davis: you know, wasp windrush against sewage pollution

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Amanda Davis: and the work that they're doing. And then the lee day with the class action around the river y.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, indeed. Yeah.

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Amanda Davis: So, looking at all of that, we then looked at how within a workplace, jobs may change. So think of it like AI. But think about how the world will change with climate change. And so, rather than trying to be ludicite in our union stance, how can we support workers to realize and plan for and transition to the greener jobs rather than wait for the redundancies or the firms.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, yeah.

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Amanda Davis: And can I tell you something in strictest confidence.

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Andrew Maliphant: Course I've got more confidence is the back of my head than I can shake it. Stick out.

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Amanda Davis: Okay? Well, let's just say

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Amanda Davis: I'm aware of a larger organization who is about to be selling off fuel stations

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Amanda Davis: because they see it as yesterday's

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Amanda Davis: marketplace, and if they don't get out now it won't be the top values that they'll get for selling them on.

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Andrew Maliphant: Right, yeah.

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Amanda Davis: No, that.

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Andrew Maliphant: I can see that point of view. Yeah.

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Amanda Davis: That's already starting to come into play. But what was even better was that decision wasn't just done on a monetary term. It was done on a on the environmental impact. So it was done on a. This will improve our carbon footprint by a 3, rd or whatever the figures are. So it's starting to become language used in board rooms.

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Amanda Davis: and although these are one or 2 by exception, they are starting to happen, and I just wanted to plug that in to offer a bit of optimism.

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Andrew Maliphant: That's that's great. No, and of course, if you're a parish and you you get in the carbon footprint, a lot of that is contributed to by your local firms. Of course it is. If you're speaking to local firms, you can't speak to them collectively, you have to speak to them, one to one to get their attention, and that takes up a bit of time. But no, we do need to have the businesses in there. And you know it's it's certainly at the back of my mind. But we just need to get the other 1st 2 stages of the website upgraded first, st

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Andrew Maliphant: which I'm busy writing, anyway.

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Amanda Davis: As far as the great collaboration is concerned, and those people who weren't at your 1st session, what sign posting would you like me to do. Is there a slide from your slide deck that.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well, I think our friend is has has actually shared those slides with people that were were attending the the climate action page on socc has covered has got most of those stuff on. I'll send you the the

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Andrew Maliphant: Pdf. Of what I said as well, so you could see that there.

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Amanda Davis: So it's just so that I include it as a a link to your session and as a aid memoir reminder for others, and a slide that's relevant in a slide pack.

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Andrew Maliphant: Speak to honest to Fagan about that, because he's sent you something around that hasn't come to you already. He'll have the the link to to where he's put those things.

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Amanda Davis: I I'm fairly sure that I've got them somewhere. It's just as I say. I've got election tomorrow as well. I'm presiding officer for the election, and then I'm away unison for a residential until Sunday.

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Andrew Maliphant: Go ahead!

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Amanda Davis: So with green offices that we're trying to get in branches around the country now.

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Amanda Davis: So yeah, anyway, thank you very much. I will get off, and

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Andrew Maliphant: Good to see you as ever. Yeah. Keep taking. Keep taking the tablets. I always do.

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Amanda Davis: And I think I've given you.

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Andrew Maliphant: It's just so great comes out with nothing horrible. Yeah.

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Amanda Davis: Thank you. I hope that what I've sent you is enough for you to be able to make contact with Linda, but if it isn't. I sent it to you on your Whatsapp.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay, thank, you, yeah.

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Amanda Davis: Get back to me on Whatsapp. If you need further, like an email address.

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Andrew Maliphant: Right? Okay.

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Amanda Davis: Okay. But she is on Whatsapp, and she does communicate via Whatsapp. If you're happy to take that link across from us.

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Andrew Maliphant: I've got that. Yeah. Yeah, great. Thank you. Yeah, no, that's brilliant.

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Amanda Davis: Lovely thanks very much, then.

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Andrew Maliphant: See you soon take care for now.

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Andrew Maliphant: like, okay.