Banter 52: 15Jan25 Knowledgebase -what parishes need to know, how to create a climate change roadmap
Graham starts the ball rolling on a perpetual exercise to find out what it is that users - parish councils and community groups - need to find in the Knowledgebase. And the sort of path to take
Video Timeline (min:sec):
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00:00 - 25:50 Presentation by gs-s
25:50 - 27:05 initial Q&A
27:05 - 44:50 Presentation by David Morgan-Jones
44:50 - 56:46 (end) Second Q&A
First presentation (setting the scene)
Second presentation (typical project plan)
an awesome example of how to create a "Climate Change: District/Parish Roadmap
Meeting Summary:
The meeting covered various aspects of community action on climate change, including discussions on creating a knowledge base, measuring carbon emissions, and implementing energy-efficient solutions. Participants shared experiences and ideas on topics such as community library construction, carbon reduction strategies, and the importance of collaboration and community engagement. The conversation ended with suggestions for future presentations and an emphasis on the need for adaptability and clear categorization of information related to climate action initiatives.
Actions:
David to share his presentation on climate action planning with the Great Collaboration team for potential inclusion on the website.
Graham to contact Liz from Charlbury to arrange a presentation about their climate initiatives.
Great Collaboration team to consider developing a "Net Zero Wizard" tool to guide parishes through climate action planning.
Great Collaboration team to explore ways of incorporating taxonomy into the knowledge base for easier information contribution and retrieval.
Andrew to arrange for the graduate intern to present on messaging and communication strategies for climate action.
Great Collaboration team to compile a list of expert facilitators for community climate action workshops.
Graham to seek additional speakers for the remaining open slot in January's banter sessions.
Precision and Humor in Presentations
Graham and Andrew Maliphant discussed the importance of precision and the use of unmentionable words in their context. Graham then demonstrated a presentation, which included a humorous segment about President Trump's claims of knowing more than anyone else. The conversation ended with Graham moving on to the main topic, emphasizing the importance of precision. Andrew also mentioned the availability of internship opportunities for graduate students at their organization.
Creating Knowledge Base for Busy Users
Graham led a discussion on creating a knowledge base to help busy users find information quickly. He emphasized the importance of collaboration and the need for a system that can automatically map data to save effort. He presented a hypothetical scenario of a parish council declaring a climate emergency and creating a climate action plan, highlighting the various decisions and actions that would follow. He also discussed the need for examples, policies, guides, project plans, best practices, and links to other people doing similar things for each outcome. Jules' categorization system was mentioned as a way to organize this information. The conversation ended with an open invitation for others to share their ideas and suggestions.
Adjusting Search Engines for Climate Goals
Graham discussed the potential for adjusting search engines based on commonly used phrases related to Climate Change and Net Zero goals. He suggested that the system could recognize different identities or roles when logging in, which could provide more relevant answers. Graham also demonstrated the automatic mapping of data in the Parish Online system and proposed the idea of a climate change questionnaire in this system. He asked for suggestions on the types of questions that could be included in this questionnaire. Andrew Maliphant responded to a question about recommended software for measuring carbon emissions at the town and parish council level, suggesting the impact tool developed by the Citizen Stow Energy Next to University. David then shared his approach, which involved a different method, and asked if he could show a few slides.
Reducing Carbon Emissions in District
David discussed the importance of understanding and reducing carbon emissions in their district. He highlighted the need for collaboration and the role of their website in achieving this goal. David presented data on the district's carbon output and the various sectors contributing to it. He emphasized the need for a logical approach to address these issues, starting with identifying houses that need improvement and focusing on insulation issues. David also mentioned the challenge of persuading homeowners to upgrade their Energy Performance Certificates (EPCs) and the need for funding to support this effort. He concluded by stressing the importance of their website in tracking areas where they are losing heat and identifying the best areas to focus on.
Insulation, Energy Generation, and Technology
David discussed the importance of insulation in buildings and the need for efficient energy generation. He suggested using satellite infrared analysis to identify heat loss in houses and drones for a more accurate view of insulation. David also mentioned the need for an action card on insulation and the development of a guide for the best technology to use at a given time. He highlighted the challenges of dealing with elderly people who may not be willing or able to empty their lofts for insulation. David also touched on the potential of replacing gas boilers with other technologies and the need for modern timers in electrical systems. He ended by suggesting the use of a taxonomy to categorize various actions related to housing, energy, food, transport, and biodiversity.
Identifying Responsibilities and Community Engagement
David discussed the importance of identifying areas of responsibility and those where support is needed, emphasizing the need for adaptability and uniqueness in handling different parishes and towns. Graham agreed, noting the need for a clear taxonomy for categorizing information. Belinda shared her experience with the Dorset Climate Action Network and the importance of community engagement in local transport planning. Andrew Maliphant highlighted the need for experts to facilitate community climate action workshops and the value of engaging local communities. Graham thanked everyone for their contributions and encouraged suggestions for future presentations.
Chat:
00:13:36 Belinda Bawden: I've just encouraged the Carbon Literacy participants on the Dorset Climate Action Network's workshop to finish early and join the Banter.
00:18:19 Belinda Bawden: One of the Carbon Literacy participants asked whether there is recommended software to measure carbon emissions at town/parish council level.
00:19:04 Jacky Lawrence: The 'Towards a Climate and Environment Action Plan Report' from Napton Parish Council and Napton Environmental Action Team.
00:22:22 Jacky Lawrence: How up to date is the Impact Tool? I was under the impression the data in it is a bit old now.
00:24:50 Belinda Bawden: Shaftesbury Climate and Nature Action Plan was developed through a collaboration of community groups and they persuaded the Town Council to adopt it.
00:26:53 Henry Lovegrove rural dorset: Graham can you add me to your invitation list henrylovegrove@btinternet.com
00:27:22 Belinda Bawden: https://www.dorsetcan.org/ Dorset Greener Homes; Great Big Dorset Hedge; are examples of projects DCAN run but which are replicable
00:28:47 Belinda Bawden: https://www.bridport-tc.gov.uk/
00:30:35 Belinda Bawden: Yes to enabling different 'identities' or roles to be recognised when logging in.
00:33:43 Andrew Maliphant: There may be different pathways depending on council and community groups' starting positions - the next upgrade of the Great Collaboration website is intended to address this
00:36:37 elizabeth carr: Apologies - something has come up and I need to leave
00:40:20 Liz Reason, Charlbury: This looks really useful. Please can it be shared?
00:41:03 David Garrett: @David Morgan-Jones Have you come across Greening Campaign The Greening Campaign : Climate change community support
00:41:07 Andrew Maliphant: There are other tools available for businesses, households and farms which give more specific local data
00:41:16 Jacky Lawrence: In Napton we held an eco fair, produced a range of news letters that went to every household and business, arranged many talks on specific issues in response to what people who responded to the survey said they wanted to know more about. Napton N.E.A.T. Eco Fair 2023 - YouTube
00:44:38 Liz Reason, Charlbury: I would love to share what we’ve been doing in Charlbury which is very good but clearly we have interesting things to learn here
00:45:25 Liz Reason, Charlbury: We commissioned a report from Cosy Homes which set out the pathway to zero carbon for ten typical homes in Charlbury free to all residents
00:45:48 Belinda Bawden: Reacted to "We commissioned a re..." with 👍
00:49:28 Belinda Bawden: https://www.healthyhomesdorset.org.uk/ Dorset Council supports Healthy Homes Dorset to deliver free energy efficiency advice. They also advise on available grants and can undertake the grant applications and oversight of the installations.
00:50:28 David Garrett: Replying to "In Napton we held an..."
Looks like it was a fantastic event, I think it was (Mike?) picked up some resources to use as we had no-one available to attend on the day (I work for Garden Organic). Keep in touch if we can help in any way
00:51:20 Liz Reason, Charlbury: We have a 4.5MW solar farm which is a community benefit society. So far in 8 years we have granted close to £250k to the community
00:52:52 Andrew Maliphant: TAXONOMY OPTIONS
CCA - Housing, Energy, Food, Transport & Biodiversity
GREAT COLLABORATION WEBSITE - Buildings, Energy, Food & Waste, Land Use, Money, Transport, Use Your Voice
EMERGING: Adaptation · Buildings · Transport · Community · Land Use · Energy · Community · Carbon Copy's 25 "Big Local Actions" Mitigation · Buildings · Capturing CO2 · Repair cafe and carbon calculators
00:54:24 Liz Reason, Charlbury: We talk about ‘journeys’ rather than transport
00:54:30 SARAH WHITELAW: Yes please - re presentation !
00:55:36 Madeline Fraser: Not seen anything about saving water on the list
00:56:11 Henry Lovegrove rural dorset: fascinating but got to go. Keep going...
00:56:45 Andrew Maliphant: Much of the knowledgebase will be links to guidance published elsewhere
00:57:15 Madeline Fraser: under mitigation we should also include flood risks, air quality, I'm sure that they will be there!
01:03:08 SARAH WHITELAW: For our PC .. like many others .. actions/choices are the Art of Possible .. context is all important .. were just embarking on an update of the Local Plan - with CA as a focus (from Kirklees) and one of the 'links' we've identified is Health and Wellbeing -- underlying issue /purpose or whatever … and community engagement SO important of course .. so taxonomy needs to include what has impact in terms of moving towards CN targets .. but how is that related to what we have 'done' with/for the Community we represent …
01:03:55 Ian Duckworth: I agree fascinating but I have to leave. Thank you.
01:06:21 Liz Reason, Charlbury: I’ve already volunteerd
01:06:38 Belinda Bawden: Thanks everyone 🙂
01:07:06 Madeline Fraser: Thank you
01:07:15 Helen Sumbler: Thank you all
Feed-in later from Janet Cobb:
Parish Councils could link up with the Local Nature Recovery Strategies being developed across England
There are 48 map here :
In Shropshire we are encouraging Town & Parish Councils to develop bespoke Nature Recovery plans – very happy to swap information with others, just get in touch
janet@jan-net.co.uk – parish clerk, Edgton Village Shropshire.
Speech-to-text:
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70 00:06:40.110 --> 00:06:43.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I'm interested to know. What are you going to do with the loft when you get up there?
71 00:06:43.550 --> 00:06:47.609 Andrew Maliphant: Well, 2 things or 3 things, one for every day of the week.
72 00:06:49.140 --> 00:06:55.089 Andrew Maliphant: We need more insulation. We need to get a structural surveyor up there because you can't get it through the hatch that currently exists
73 00:06:56.074 --> 00:07:05.219 Andrew Maliphant: to check and confirm to the County Council that if we add solar panels to the roof. It won't actually collapse the place, you know it will, but they want a structural survey to prove it.
74 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:11.599 Andrew Maliphant: unless we have a full repairing lease. Ha! Ha! Ha! All these costs come flooding down the road at us.
75 00:07:12.080 --> 00:07:17.010 Andrew Maliphant: Just had to spend 750 quid refixing our automatic doors in the front of the library.
76 00:07:17.700 --> 00:07:20.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There we go! It's enough enough of me. Yes.
77 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.779 Graham Stoddart-Stones: how crazy we did! 750 quid.
78 00:07:24.222 --> 00:07:25.109 Andrew Maliphant: Nothing to do it.
79 00:07:26.180 --> 00:07:35.294 Graham Stoddart-Stones: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 8 9. We've got a couple of arrivals just arrived, so we give them another 30 seconds, and then we're off.
80 00:07:37.330 --> 00:07:39.210 Andrew Maliphant: That what they say in the Rf. As well, the aspects.
81 00:07:47.370 --> 00:07:49.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You see, they are all popping in these latest.
82 00:07:50.820 --> 00:07:52.140 Andrew Maliphant: Excellent Sherman.
83 00:07:52.430 --> 00:07:53.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.
84 00:07:57.940 --> 00:08:04.861 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's that lovely line of yours that if you start the meeting, that's when everybody will arrive, or the late comers will.
85 00:08:05.310 --> 00:08:05.870 Andrew Maliphant: Yep.
86 00:08:06.180 --> 00:08:06.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right?
87 00:08:07.950 --> 00:08:15.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I'm gonna start. So let me just go to check my screen
88 00:08:17.980 --> 00:08:26.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: switch places to there. And there we go. So hopefully, everyone is now seeing the screen. Let me
89 00:08:27.220 --> 00:08:29.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: say, welcome to everybody.
90 00:08:29.590 --> 00:08:41.179 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and you'll notice that right from the start. I'm suggesting that we can use the unmentionable words to describe what we're talking about today, because precision is of interest.
91 00:08:41.659 --> 00:08:46.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And speaking of precision, we're going to get a very good demonstration of it shortly.
92 00:08:47.310 --> 00:08:57.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I'm setting the context for today's meeting by hopefully showing you this. Oh, I wonder if we're going to get the sound bear with me? I need to just check. I'm going to come out of this
93 00:08:57.940 --> 00:08:59.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and check. I flipped the sound.
94 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:02.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So do it again.
95 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:08.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do to there share the sound. There we go.
96 00:09:11.740 --> 00:09:12.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, sir.
97 00:09:14.300 --> 00:09:19.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, dear, what on earth is my
98 00:09:20.580 --> 00:09:25.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones: bear with me? I'm sorry I should have prepared for this, but they now want a password which I'm gonna have to look up. Sorry
99 00:09:27.330 --> 00:09:30.139 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I better stop sharing again. No, we aren't sharing. Okay.
100 00:09:31.710 --> 00:09:33.060 tristram cary: Secret password.
101 00:09:33.060 --> 00:09:35.290 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Exactly. I want to be very careful.
102 00:09:39.090 --> 00:09:46.570 Andrew Maliphant: I bought a computer many years ago, and the chap installing it was saying he used to set exactly the same password for every application he was logged into.
103 00:09:46.910 --> 00:09:47.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Chess.
104 00:09:48.078 --> 00:09:51.249 Andrew Maliphant: Thought, that's an interesting approach from A from an It specialist.
105 00:09:51.630 --> 00:09:58.479 Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, obviously had short term memory loss is that New York.
106 00:10:06.060 --> 00:10:06.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh!
107 00:10:12.370 --> 00:10:22.299 Andrew Maliphant: By the way, we fill in the gap, we we have internship opportunities for graduate students at great collaboration. If anybody would like to know more about that to please get in touch. Yeah.
108 00:10:24.130 --> 00:10:27.400 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right hopefully. Then we just go into slideshow mode.
109 00:10:28.730 --> 00:10:33.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and everybody can now see the screen and let me see what happens with this. So this is about
110 00:10:33.910 --> 00:10:39.929 Graham Stoddart-Stones: somewhere between one and a half and 2 min long. So please bear with me, because hopefully it'll make a point.
111 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and you might get a chuckle out of it. Who knows?
112 00:10:42.860 --> 00:10:52.749 tristram cary: Tonight I'm obsessed with the things President Trump knows better than anyone. 1st and foremost, as we learned today, he knows more than everyone on Wall Street.
113 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:59.199 tristram cary: I don't think there was one Wall Street genius of which I know many of them.
114 00:10:59.650 --> 00:11:01.360 tristram cary: but they're not geniuses.
115 00:11:01.870 --> 00:11:09.329 tristram cary: There's not one that predicted anywhere close to these job numbers. I thought they were going to be good.
116 00:11:09.980 --> 00:11:36.030 tristram cary: Not just Wall Street, though. Oh, no, it's way. More than that, I know more about the other side than almost anybody. I know more about steelworkers than anybody that's ever run for office. I know more about contributions than anybody. I know more about politicians than anybody. I know more about courts than any human being on earth. I know more about renewables than any human being on earth. I understand money better than anybody. I understand it better than anybody. I know more about drones than anybody.
117 00:11:36.030 --> 00:11:40.189 David Morgan-Jones: I know about every form of safety that you can have.
118 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:44.899 David Morgan-Jones: President Trump says he knows more than anybody with apparently.
119 00:11:46.740 --> 00:11:48.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I'm gonna move on from that
120 00:11:49.070 --> 00:11:52.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones: on the grounds that hopefully, it's made the point
121 00:11:52.890 --> 00:11:57.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I can get back to where I want to go, which is there so moving on?
122 00:11:58.270 --> 00:12:11.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We are not trump, and therefore we're not stating that we know more than any of you. And so the major purpose of today is to ask you questions, to make sure that we're on the right track.
123 00:12:12.220 --> 00:12:27.089 Graham Stoddart-Stones: because we know that there is an enormous amount of knowledge and advice and suggestions and thoughts out on the Internet, so that when people very busy parish clerks, or whoever come out to look for a question.
124 00:12:27.230 --> 00:12:36.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: they can't get a quick answer, and our mission is to enable the busy users to get the information that they need in just a few mouse clicks
125 00:12:37.520 --> 00:12:49.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and the way they're going to do that is through the great collaborations knowledge base. And so today's questions are to help ask you to help us get onto the right track with the knowledge base.
126 00:12:50.540 --> 00:12:51.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So
127 00:12:54.530 --> 00:13:01.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: 1st question I've just asked you, can you please help us ensure that we've got the right information that you're going to be looking for.
128 00:13:01.670 --> 00:13:14.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The second one is to say, are there ways of automatically mapping some of the data that we answer, that's common to all participants and thereby spare them the effort of putting it onto the map.
129 00:13:14.920 --> 00:13:16.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we discussed that.
130 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:32.390 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then one of the ways I thought we might just give as an example this morning of how to identify this data is to consider a very simple path that a very small council might follow to achieve their goals.
131 00:13:32.510 --> 00:13:33.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So
132 00:13:36.760 --> 00:13:50.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just the way that this works the system is recording this session, and Zoom has got some AI built into it which provides us with a written record of everything that's put down into the chat.
133 00:13:50.500 --> 00:13:58.259 Graham Stoddart-Stones: including the links that people very helpfully put there, and they also give us a written record of what's been said and who said it.
134 00:13:58.520 --> 00:14:12.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is particularly applicable in the Q. And a. Session, since lots of people are coming in with different questions. But it's it's a lot of speech to go through later. So what I'm hoping to ask you all is that
135 00:14:12.270 --> 00:14:35.259 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the more information that you can put into the chat session with an accompanying link that would really help the AI and reduce the workload on the people at this end. So it's quite common for people to type something into the chat because they've just heard something being said, and the link is
136 00:14:35.500 --> 00:14:46.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: relevant to that comment. But of course, when we look later at the chat, we have no idea what the comment was that triggered your thought. In the 1st place, so as a suggestion.
137 00:14:47.360 --> 00:15:02.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones: it's much more helpful to put that carbon copy includes climate change, climate policy, climate science, climate impact at that address than just putting in the address. So if I could ask people to please try introducing a bit more
138 00:15:03.793 --> 00:15:14.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones: verbiage. No, that's the wrong word words than we usually get in the chat session, because that helps the AI make sense of it and be able to find it later.
139 00:15:14.790 --> 00:15:30.189 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we're going to introduce the idea which we'll see later on in more detail about getting to include keywords when you're writing links in, because again, that will sort out how we find your links later.
140 00:15:30.330 --> 00:15:35.709 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you apologize for the fact that we're trying to get robots to do
141 00:15:35.870 --> 00:15:38.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the the sorting at our end.
142 00:15:38.230 --> 00:15:46.172 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And whatever you're doing will be helpful towards that. So that's how we're going to run today. I hope.
143 00:15:46.710 --> 00:15:50.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the way we're going to run it is just to give a very simple path.
144 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:58.669 Graham Stoddart-Stones: because it will give you some idea of the enormity of the of the exercise that we're doing on the whole project.
145 00:15:58.890 --> 00:16:03.320 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We're going to come up with a list of ideas that come out of that path.
146 00:16:03.710 --> 00:16:08.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then I'm going to just give a demonstration of how
147 00:16:08.510 --> 00:16:20.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish online our selected mapping system can automatically map data for us which will save a lot of work. But then the question comes is, what do we don't to do that with?
148 00:16:20.460 --> 00:16:45.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And hopefully in the discussion at the end, the Q. And a session you'll come up with many more paths that parishes can be following or have followed, and what they've generated along the way. So let's suppose that there is a council that says we're going to declare a climate emergency. That's our 1st decision. And then everyone says the second thing you need to do is to create a climate action plan.
149 00:16:46.560 --> 00:16:47.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So then
150 00:16:47.900 --> 00:16:56.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: we hope that they will go into the knowledge base type in climate action plan, and they'll get the advice of how to create one.
151 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: because everything that I've seen shows that
152 00:17:00.280 --> 00:17:10.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones: governments and very large companies are all dictating from the top down as to how we should solve the climate crisis.
153 00:17:10.490 --> 00:17:35.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and all the evidence that I'm seeing is that things work much more effectively. If everybody is in agreement that what they're doing is what they want to do. It's appropriate for their particular community, and they've chosen to do it. So you get the buy-in and the volunteers to actually do the work. So having made a decision is to have a plan, then what puts the plan into operation are the local folks.
154 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:51.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and there's no question that the getting the community together to create the plan, in the 1st place, is hugely more successful, and we are given a couple of examples there. The workshops that Cca. Runs in the form of Jules and his team
155 00:17:51.290 --> 00:18:10.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: have, I think, been really inspiring. You can really sense the enthusiasm in the room when you're looking at the videos of the workshops that he's holding. We had a presentation last year from the Hay Community resilience initiative, which, again, was something that was built entirely
156 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:20.599 Graham Stoddart-Stones: by involving everybody in the local community, and that took off like wildfire. Well, that's a bad phrase to use today, isn't it? But anyway.
157 00:18:21.550 --> 00:18:22.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and
158 00:18:22.360 --> 00:18:49.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: transition towns, I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with that phrase, but there are places all over the world now. But following the example of Totness in South Devon, which said, Why are we paying attention to what we're told to do by the government, whether that government be the National government, whether it be the County Council, whether it be the District Council. We're a town. We want to run the town the way we want to live. Let's do it. And
159 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:56.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: they started this with. They gave themselves the title of a transition town. They were transitioning from
160 00:18:56.450 --> 00:19:13.199 Graham Stoddart-Stones: effectively national government far away remote government to local government, and the results have been spectacular to the point where this is now being adopted around the world by people who've been inspired by what they've seen. So in the same way, I'm saying that I hope
161 00:19:13.410 --> 00:19:20.400 Graham Stoddart-Stones: everybody will work on a community basis, going upwards rather than a directed basis going downwards.
162 00:19:20.600 --> 00:19:21.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oops. Sorry.
163 00:19:21.930 --> 00:19:22.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So
164 00:19:28.050 --> 00:19:42.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's all that our little Parish Council has done in the 1st instance. They've declared an emergency, and they've created a private plan. Now, I'm going to show you what that involves or what's involved from our point of view of providing the knowledge base.
165 00:19:43.390 --> 00:19:44.320 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So
166 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:59.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the decisions that the meeting may make. I'm just giving you examples here. They may decide they're going to reduce the use of single use plastics around the community. They all decide. They want to reduce energy, consumption and lower their electricity bills.
167 00:19:59.410 --> 00:20:13.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and they are going to decide that rather than use energy generated by fossil fuel. They would want to use more renewable energy. So 3 simple, fairly basic decisions made at parish level.
168 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:35.499 Graham Stoddart-Stones: what does that mean for us? Well, in deciding they'd like to hold a community workshop. In the 1st place, we need to have examples of them in working, we need to have best practice. We need to have case histories. So 3 examples just from, or rather 3 topics needed just from the decision to hold a workshop.
169 00:20:35.870 --> 00:20:55.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: then their decision to reduce the single use plastics that they use. They would want to create a policy, but they want to find a policy that's appropriate to their parish size and location. They don't want to rewrite it themselves if somebody else has already done it. But we're now back to the question of where do you find the one that's relevant to you.
170 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:24.289 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then, having got the policy, what is the best way from experience? Other people who've done it of actually implementing it? So are the case histories to show? Is there a best practice? Has anybody else near us done this that we can talk to and get their experience of what it's like doing it in our area. So that's the mapping side of life. So just those questions come out of the the very 1st decision to reduce the use of single plastic
171 00:21:25.070 --> 00:21:35.159 Graham Stoddart-Stones: if we move on to the second item, which was, let's reduce our energy consumption. Then you start thinking about well, we need to have all the information we need about retrofits
172 00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:56.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: on public buildings, on private houses and businesses, and I've put listed there because one doesn't think of putting insulation on a listed house as being an issue, until someone says, well, you should have double glazing or triple glazing, and then you run into all sorts of issues. So I've listed them there because we need to have information available.
173 00:21:56.950 --> 00:22:20.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones: People decide they're going to use more public transport. Well, a lot of us live in places where there is little or no public transport of any note. So you may need to talk about setting up your own community minibus. Other people have done this. How can we find out ditto for cycle, pass ditto for all sorts of ways of using public transport? How do we get from here to the train station, for instance.
174 00:22:22.420 --> 00:22:24.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think that no matter.
175 00:22:24.520 --> 00:22:36.009 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's a small backlash at the moment in purchasing Evs. I'm sure that the well, there's a government edict that we've got to have. Evs from the sort of the middle of next.
176 00:22:36.010 --> 00:22:38.200 Ian Duckworth: Which potatoes.
177 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:47.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So let's talk about charging points. Let's talk about public charging points, private ones, running cables across pavements.
178 00:22:47.890 --> 00:22:48.770 Ian Duckworth: Test.
179 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:50.329 Ian Duckworth: What are you using for?
180 00:22:51.130 --> 00:22:56.409 Ian Duckworth: I'm boiling them, squishing them a bit and putting them in my Masaka.
181 00:22:57.070 --> 00:22:57.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Need to shop.
182 00:22:58.583 --> 00:23:02.360 Ian Duckworth: Red ones which you're at there.
183 00:23:02.550 --> 00:23:04.984 Belinda Bawden: Ian, can you mute yourself? Please.
184 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:08.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Earn it for him.
185 00:23:08.890 --> 00:23:13.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right sorry about that. Let's go back to where we were.
186 00:23:15.258 --> 00:23:18.599 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just let me confirm. You can still see what on my screen?
187 00:23:18.800 --> 00:23:23.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, you can't share the screen.
188 00:23:30.060 --> 00:23:30.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay?
189 00:23:34.180 --> 00:23:36.170 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So we were talking about the
190 00:23:36.560 --> 00:23:45.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the simple decision to reduce energy consumption then generates a lot of knowledge base activity needed.
191 00:23:45.940 --> 00:23:55.579 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We talked about putting smart meters into houses so they can tell you which is your greatest use of energy. And how can you use it? Can you go to
192 00:23:55.710 --> 00:24:06.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones: switching your washing machine and your dishwasher onto off peak electricity time, so that you are reducing your cost because off peak. Electricity is less expensive, and you're also
193 00:24:06.590 --> 00:24:09.989 Graham Stoddart-Stones: hopefully going to reduce the costs of
194 00:24:10.760 --> 00:24:18.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the improvements needed to the national grid. If you're spreading the load so that it doesn't have to carry so much electricity. Then perhaps you could spare
195 00:24:18.670 --> 00:24:26.939 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the 87 billion pounds at the moment they're saying it's going to take to upload the grid to or grade the grid to necessary standards.
196 00:24:27.370 --> 00:24:29.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and in
197 00:24:29.820 --> 00:24:50.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones: running any policy within the sort of net 0 situation I think you need to know at least where you're starting from in terms of your Co 2 equivalent generation locally. So that means providing an impact tool. There are lots of impact tools. Which one do we use? For which community all those sorts of questions?
198 00:24:51.240 --> 00:25:01.259 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then the 3rd question was about, we need to renew, reduce. Sorry we need to get our supply of electricity from a renewable supplier.
199 00:25:01.510 --> 00:25:03.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So who's going to do that?
200 00:25:04.255 --> 00:25:21.410 Graham Stoddart-Stones: How much is, you know who provides renewable energy? 100%. Are we going to put in more? Pv, are we going to put in more wind systems? Are we going to put in communal heating energy systems. Where's all the information coming from about that?
201 00:25:22.070 --> 00:25:29.529 Graham Stoddart-Stones: How do you store renewable energy locally so that you can use it during the night time, or in the windless days.
202 00:25:29.810 --> 00:25:43.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And is there a way of distributing the energy that you generate around your local community rather than having to pump it out into the grid, because that produces all sorts of delays.
203 00:25:46.190 --> 00:25:57.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and finally, this is all going to cost money. So people like to be told where the money is coming from, or what's available, and whether they can do anything about it. Bear with me one second. Sorry.
204 00:25:58.010 --> 00:26:00.519 Graham Stoddart-Stones: this guy looking at an office.
205 00:26:01.180 --> 00:26:04.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Can you just go around the side there. Thank you
206 00:26:08.820 --> 00:26:16.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to a big pardon onto the next slide. So the accumulation of all of that information we use
207 00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:41.259 Graham Stoddart-Stones: going to say that every single item that one discuss needs examples, policies, guides, project plans, bed practice, and links to other people doing the same thing. So you can see, there's a sizeable load on us to find all of those for each outcome that any workshop has or any parish decides. They want information. They're going to come to us with information. We've got to find the information, lots of it.
208 00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:55.950 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so we need to organize ourselves. And fortunately Jules has done a wonderful job over Christmas. He got bored, twiddling his thumbs, and so he came up with a way of categorizing everything that we're going to be talking about.
209 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:08.709 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and I'm just putting these pictures up here to show you that it's a long, long list. So I've given you just 2 slides, but rather than bore you solid. I'll just let you know. And it goes on for a lot further.
210 00:27:09.220 --> 00:27:19.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And this is an example of what the system is going to have to sort data into. And therefore the question arises of how best to do that.
211 00:27:19.450 --> 00:27:26.209 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And again, we're so throwing the questions open to anybody who may have ideas in case we hadn't thought of them ourselves.
212 00:27:30.080 --> 00:27:31.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So
213 00:27:31.250 --> 00:27:45.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: if people could put into the chat just whilst we're going along answers to what sort of phrases do you use when you're looking for things like climate change and net? 0 answers on the Internet
214 00:27:45.840 --> 00:27:50.389 Graham Stoddart-Stones: as you head towards your specific goals in your local community. So
215 00:27:50.935 --> 00:27:57.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones: if we know the phrases that are commonly used, we can adjust the our search engines accordingly.
216 00:27:57.620 --> 00:28:15.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That taxonomy, the previous 2 slides of that dense information. Would that be available? Would you want it to be available? So you can say, this is what I'm searching for, and you know that you're using the right sort of terminology to find the information that you want.
217 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:30.949 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then in due course, we'll be inviting people to log in to the great collaboration website. And I would just wonder whether that login at the 1st time should encapsulate data about you
218 00:28:31.090 --> 00:28:44.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so that you can say, Look, I'm calling in from such and such a parish council. We're just 500 houses. We've got 850 inhabitants, and our local skills lie in farming. Do it yourself and rewilding.
219 00:28:44.360 --> 00:28:55.449 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then that helps make the answers that we provide you with much more relevant and much more appropriate to you. But you don't have to keep entering the same information every time.
220 00:28:55.790 --> 00:29:13.409 Graham Stoddart-Stones: but you may have to have 2 logins if you tend to log in as head of the Parish Council at 1 point, and as a local farmer at another, so that your answers will vary according to who you are representing when you log in, so should we be thinking about? That is my question to you.
221 00:29:14.250 --> 00:29:26.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then there's the automatic mapping of data. And this is just a demonstration to you now of of how this works at the moment, and to ask what you would like it to do in the future.
222 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:32.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: As we move on with rolling out parish online as the
223 00:29:33.730 --> 00:29:37.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: mapping system for great collaboration. So
224 00:29:37.730 --> 00:29:47.419 Graham Stoddart-Stones: a parish online page looks like this, here is where I'm living, and the blue line around the the town of Bembridge represent the parish boundary.
225 00:29:47.720 --> 00:30:10.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so if I click anywhere within the parish boundary, it brings up the parish record. This is the database entry for our parish. And you'll notice 2 small things in passing, just the impact tool. The carbon impact tool from Cse is already built in to parish online. So that's a useful facility.
226 00:30:11.140 --> 00:30:17.559 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's actually a rabbit hole. You go down there and you get lost for hours because the information it generates is fascinating.
227 00:30:18.077 --> 00:30:40.340 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I just give you that as a caveat. But in the left hand column we have here the questionnaire that is able or is is facilitated. If that's a word in parish online. And at the moment it's set up for gathering council statistics. But of course we would like it to gather climate change statistics.
228 00:30:40.806 --> 00:30:46.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I'm gonna give you a couple of examples of how this might be used. So moving right on.
229 00:30:47.040 --> 00:30:50.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Here is an example of a starting up the questionnaire
230 00:30:51.456 --> 00:30:58.209 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is something that you can do anytime in parish online whenever you've got the moment free to fill in the data.
231 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:10.419 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and it might be partially answered by the parish clerk, partially answered by the Rfo. Partially answered by the chairman or any of the councillors, so it's open to all. It's not tied to a specific person.
232 00:31:10.770 --> 00:31:13.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it's very straightforward. Just invite you to start
233 00:31:14.890 --> 00:31:24.340 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then it asks you a whole bunch of questions in multiple sections and the sections themselves can have multiple questions.
234 00:31:24.600 --> 00:31:36.599 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and they can provide suggested answers, and they can provide also helpful suggestions. So you know, if you'd like to find out more about what the heck climate emergency declaration is. Go here
235 00:31:36.950 --> 00:31:46.459 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so you can just see how the status of your particular parish in declaring a climate emergency is answered. Here.
236 00:31:47.470 --> 00:31:48.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: then.
237 00:31:49.550 --> 00:32:17.989 Graham Stoddart-Stones: having filled in the questionnaire, all of it, or part of it, then you want to see what the results are, and you can see the results on a national basis. So the whole point of this is, how can we find out what's going on around us in the particular specifics that we've declared an interest now for today, because we're working on the the parish statistics for Council information. I've just selected the precept of band D
238 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:22.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: in the country to see who around me is, in what sort of precept area.
239 00:32:22.840 --> 00:32:27.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So this is the answer that you get. You can see that there's a
240 00:32:28.130 --> 00:32:49.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: color code, if you will assigned to each parish, and the coding here will tell you what the precept is in your particular band, or this is in Band D. I'm sorry, and then you can find yourself. You can zoom in, and you can say, Okay, well, I know that the next door parish is not the same as us, but the one on the other side certainly is.
241 00:32:49.870 --> 00:33:02.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And again, I'm just giving you this as an example of what's there at the moment, but it can be adjusted so to do exactly the same thing on topics that are of interest to
242 00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:05.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: us in the great collaboration.
243 00:33:06.017 --> 00:33:12.599 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and part of today's exercise is to ask you what thought sort of questions do you think
244 00:33:12.820 --> 00:33:19.139 Graham Stoddart-Stones: could go into a climate change counsel? Sorry questionnaire in parish online.
245 00:33:20.260 --> 00:33:20.855 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So,
246 00:33:22.940 --> 00:33:39.549 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the beauty of this is is that the results get posted automatically at the parish level. So when you're filling in information in parish online. You don't have to do the mapping on these questions, at least, which is a great time saver.
247 00:33:39.870 --> 00:33:54.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So then, my question today is, what sort of questions do you think we should ask in the climate change, questioning facility in parish online? And I'm just giving some examples here that if you're
248 00:33:55.030 --> 00:34:20.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones: looking to work on a project, and you'd like to find out who around you is doing it. Would that be community heat pumps? And would you say, do I want to know who hasn't started or is thinking about it, who's actually in the middle of it, or who's completed so we can ask them, how did it go ditto for solar farms, ditto for climate action plans, and ditto for any other questions that you guys would like to see
249 00:34:21.020 --> 00:34:27.459 Graham Stoddart-Stones: visible on the mapping when you get going on your climate change work.
250 00:34:28.340 --> 00:34:34.403 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I sort of get to the end of my presentation now and say,
251 00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:46.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones: these are the questions I've asked, really in today's session, and to which I hope that we can now open up the floor for answers, or to go through what's already been put into the chat system.
252 00:34:46.690 --> 00:34:47.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But
253 00:34:48.034 --> 00:34:55.529 Graham Stoddart-Stones: if people would like to discuss typical ways in which they ask questions so that we can find the
254 00:34:55.780 --> 00:35:00.629 Graham Stoddart-Stones: appropriate answers, or find ways of getting you the information that you're looking for?
255 00:35:01.205 --> 00:35:09.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I've suggested, you know. Are you looking for workshops, policies, plans, strategies, guides, case studies anything else that you can think of
256 00:35:09.540 --> 00:35:29.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: ditto on taxonomy. What are the sort of topics that you want to be finding out about? And then we have several pages of those topics, and then they're broken down into categories, various questions, and all sorts of things. So if we produce that text, or we have produced that taxonomy. The question is, how best would it be useful to you?
257 00:35:31.110 --> 00:35:41.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and how do we get questions from you? In the 1st place from after today, you know, are you going to send in chat questions, which is, I think, a wonderful way. It works brilliantly.
258 00:35:42.080 --> 00:35:47.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you going to send us emails. I've just thought of a question to which I can't find the answer. Can you help?
259 00:35:47.910 --> 00:35:57.689 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then, in particular, as we just discussed, what sort of questions do you think we could answer in that parish online question facility.
260 00:35:57.930 --> 00:36:00.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: because it does save a lot of trouble
261 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.219 Graham Stoddart-Stones: in doing their mapping for us.
262 00:36:03.700 --> 00:36:12.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So now I'm going to come out of this page. Go back to the main system, and perhaps, Andrew, if you've been monitoring the chat, you can get the ball rolling
263 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:13.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: for us.
264 00:36:18.290 --> 00:36:19.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's silence.
265 00:36:24.930 --> 00:36:31.483 Andrew Maliphant: Sorry. I thought I unmuted just a couple of questions already, one which is about
266 00:36:32.520 --> 00:36:38.439 Andrew Maliphant: where whether there is recommended software to measure carbon emissions at Town and Parish council level
267 00:36:38.780 --> 00:36:49.779 Andrew Maliphant: at the moment. The recommendation of that is the impact tool developed by the center for stoma Energy and Exeter university. There was another question about it. How up to date is the impact tool.
268 00:36:50.090 --> 00:37:19.250 Andrew Maliphant: I was under the impression data is a bit old now. It was updated last year. The data is national data. So what you get from the impact tool is not necessarily a precise image of what's happening in your parish can be skewed slightly. For example, you've got a motorway going through it, but it is what you'll get from. The impact tool is at least a list of priorities for your parish council that you can now then, drill down to. So that's those are the questions we've had so far.
269 00:37:20.090 --> 00:37:24.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay. Well, I've got David's hand up so can we go to you, please, David?
270 00:37:26.825 --> 00:37:33.839 David Morgan-Jones: We've approached it in a slightly different way. Am I? Would you mind if I just showed you a few slides.
271 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Absolutely no grew, head.
272 00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:40.989 David Morgan-Jones: So if I just if I can share.
273 00:37:49.850 --> 00:37:51.190 Andrew Maliphant: So you permitted sharing.
274 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:53.500 Andrew Maliphant: Okay, okay.
275 00:37:57.175 --> 00:37:59.304 tristram cary: Can you see my screen?
276 00:38:00.460 --> 00:38:00.900 tristram cary: Good.
277 00:38:00.900 --> 00:38:06.019 David Morgan-Jones: Okay, I won't. I won't go into presentation mode because we we can jump backwards and forwards over it.
278 00:38:07.950 --> 00:38:09.010 David Morgan-Jones: Okay, we
279 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:17.590 David Morgan-Jones: we're being pretty hardcore. And we are looking specifically at, how do we drive down emissions? In other words, our Co 2 contribution.
280 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:23.429 David Morgan-Jones: And whilst there are multiple links with different areas like biodiversity
281 00:38:23.680 --> 00:38:34.750 David Morgan-Jones: about tree policy, about various other activities. We've been fairly hard nosed to try and keep it absolutely focused on a particular output.
282 00:38:37.550 --> 00:38:49.940 David Morgan-Jones: we use the concept that is used in fairly high level planning campaign planning, which is the biggest and most fundamental bit of any part of planning, is to understand what the hell you're dealing with.
283 00:38:50.734 --> 00:38:56.879 David Morgan-Jones: And where I see great collaboration. Your website is absolutely pivotal to making that bit work.
284 00:38:58.200 --> 00:39:02.880 David Morgan-Jones: And no matter at what level you're thinking and trying to understand it.
285 00:39:03.460 --> 00:39:09.679 David Morgan-Jones: you will need levels of detail which is actually quite challenging to get hold of.
286 00:39:10.770 --> 00:39:19.559 David Morgan-Jones: So one of the questions I I challenged heart was, so what are we trying to achieve? So
287 00:39:19.890 --> 00:39:22.530 David Morgan-Jones: you know, what is our carbon output?
288 00:39:23.569 --> 00:39:29.959 David Morgan-Jones: And actually, Hampshire had already done some work, and it's been refined for the heart district.
289 00:39:30.120 --> 00:39:38.189 David Morgan-Jones: So we're looking at a total of 5, 485 killer tons of Co. 2
290 00:39:38.620 --> 00:39:45.960 David Morgan-Jones: for our district, of which about 49 is sequestered by plant, the rest is actually
291 00:39:46.100 --> 00:39:49.869 David Morgan-Jones: driven into the atmosphere and goes into the sea, and does whatever it needs to do.
292 00:39:50.450 --> 00:39:55.420 David Morgan-Jones: So that's the 1st question is. And and, Andrew, you already alluding to it. And the question is.
293 00:39:55.830 --> 00:39:59.249 David Morgan-Jones: What is what is, what are we generating?
294 00:40:00.770 --> 00:40:03.972 David Morgan-Jones: And whilst it can be done at
295 00:40:05.020 --> 00:40:09.910 David Morgan-Jones: county and at district levels much more challenging at the Parish Town Council.
296 00:40:10.010 --> 00:40:16.509 David Morgan-Jones: because ultimately, what you want, we want to try and do is identify what? What impact we're making at at a parish level.
297 00:40:16.510 --> 00:40:17.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.
298 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:26.159 David Morgan-Jones: So there needs to be some sort of tool or something that allows us to not only work out what our target is, but actually, somehow monitor progress.
299 00:40:27.500 --> 00:40:48.059 David Morgan-Jones: What we've then done is we've divided that into a series of areas. So you can see on the screen waste management, agricultural, public sector, industrial and commercial, household, domestic and transport, and the pink lines are for the county as a whole.
300 00:40:48.200 --> 00:40:51.810 David Morgan-Jones: and the blue is for our particular district.
301 00:40:53.646 --> 00:40:59.030 David Morgan-Jones: And the other graph on the same page is about what is it we can influence?
302 00:40:59.720 --> 00:41:01.810 David Morgan-Jones: Because I think we have to be realistic.
303 00:41:03.496 --> 00:41:09.840 David Morgan-Jones: And each tier of local authority has responsibility for particular areas.
304 00:41:10.620 --> 00:41:13.909 David Morgan-Jones: And so there's no point in a parish council trying to.
305 00:41:14.490 --> 00:41:37.739 David Morgan-Jones: unless it particularly wants to drive down looking at transport, for example, because actually, that's a national policy issue. We can make a little indent into it in terms of ev points and maybe providing local power. But in terms of moving everybody onto Ev or Non Co. 2 producing vehicles that's outside of a parish council to deal with.
306 00:41:38.700 --> 00:41:44.700 David Morgan-Jones: So it gives us a an option to say right, what is it we're going to address, and how we're going to address it.
307 00:41:45.649 --> 00:41:51.444 David Morgan-Jones: Sorry. Hang on to your hats. Boys and girls, because this get bit gets a bit complicated. Now,
308 00:41:52.040 --> 00:42:05.649 David Morgan-Jones: now we, this is at a district level coming down to parish level. So we've looked at the Heart County Council now they're already doing lots and lots of good stuff to try and drive down their carbon footprint. So forget about that.
309 00:42:05.890 --> 00:42:09.771 David Morgan-Jones: So we looked at the domestic sector, which is something that we, as
310 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.540 David Morgan-Jones: parish councils, can easily get our teeth into.
311 00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:15.939 David Morgan-Jones: And
312 00:42:16.080 --> 00:42:28.889 David Morgan-Jones: what we've also being is very pragmatic in the sense that we can't do everything at once. Let's deal with what we can do. And when we've got that pretty much sorted, let's move on to the next thing unless there is a relationship
313 00:42:29.628 --> 00:42:32.920 David Morgan-Jones: between a particular sort of
314 00:42:33.100 --> 00:42:36.139 David Morgan-Jones: work stream and another. So, for example.
315 00:42:36.310 --> 00:42:42.590 David Morgan-Jones: local green power generation. If you look, look at the pink arrow has an influence on everything.
316 00:42:42.940 --> 00:42:47.360 David Morgan-Jones: and actually is one thing that we need to get in and going fairly quickly.
317 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:56.759 David Morgan-Jones: And if you notice the big area here, there's a bit of work that needs to be done and information in terms of the relationships between
318 00:42:56.900 --> 00:43:04.520 David Morgan-Jones: what we're trying to do. And other big areas like biodiversity, like tree strategy.
319 00:43:05.229 --> 00:43:14.180 David Morgan-Jones: Like a national policy. All sorts of things need to be done. And there is, there are different mapping tools you can use to try and do that.
320 00:43:15.340 --> 00:43:16.380 David Morgan-Jones: So if we now.
321 00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:19.030 Sarah Whitelaw: Let's look at the domestic.
322 00:43:19.740 --> 00:43:23.039 David Morgan-Jones: If we now look focus purely on the domestic sector.
323 00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:33.640 David Morgan-Jones: we've broken down what we want to try and achieve there in terms of lodge a logical approach. So the 1st thing we want to do is.
324 00:43:33.810 --> 00:43:36.779 David Morgan-Jones: which houses do we need to spend time and effort on?
325 00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:38.529 David Morgan-Jones: That's number one.
326 00:43:38.670 --> 00:43:45.580 David Morgan-Jones: number 2 is of those houses that we need to spend off it. How much do we need to actually focus on their insulation issues?
327 00:43:47.540 --> 00:43:55.180 David Morgan-Jones: And then we've got things like, how do we replace gas boilers? And then how do we upgrade those using electrical systems?
328 00:43:55.500 --> 00:44:02.529 David Morgan-Jones: And if you notice, local green power generation comes out yet again pretty strongly.
329 00:44:04.940 --> 00:44:15.049 David Morgan-Jones: so moving back into parish online. So if we take this issue about, how do we improve that? So the 1st thing is about doing that. So that's our parish.
330 00:44:15.430 --> 00:44:17.685 David Morgan-Jones: and that is the
331 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:21.609 David Morgan-Jones: The Epc.
332 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:25.520 David Morgan-Jones: Scores across the parish. It's incredibly helpful.
333 00:44:26.379 --> 00:44:38.830 David Morgan-Jones: And unfortunately, as we were Tristan and I, just before Christmas, were delving this in a bit more detail. It looks okay. But actually, what isn't shown is there are lots of properties with no Epcs at all.
334 00:44:39.618 --> 00:44:50.459 David Morgan-Jones: Because they've been in a single ownership for so long they were. They've been owned before the Epcs. Came out. So one of the big pieces of work we're going to have to do the. So what from this
335 00:44:50.670 --> 00:44:56.079 David Morgan-Jones: is that we are going to have to visit engage with the houses that have no Epc.
336 00:44:56.310 --> 00:45:05.270 David Morgan-Jones: And try and persuade them to get an Epc or some form of energy measurement, and that then raises a question of how do we pay for it?
337 00:45:06.340 --> 00:45:17.669 David Morgan-Jones: Because if I some well, meaning chap, turns up at my doors and says your Epc. Is out of date, and I'll go. Oh, thank you very much. That's very interesting. We'd like you to upgrade it.
338 00:45:18.114 --> 00:45:21.349 David Morgan-Jones: And I'll go. Okay. How much is that going to cost.
339 00:45:21.490 --> 00:45:25.650 David Morgan-Jones: and a lot of us would just go. Okay, I'll think about it.
340 00:45:26.430 --> 00:45:30.500 David Morgan-Jones: So unless we got some form of funding, how do we move that forward
341 00:45:31.390 --> 00:45:35.600 David Morgan-Jones: so that actually turns into a an action plan
342 00:45:35.780 --> 00:45:41.050 David Morgan-Jones: for just getting our sap schools up and up to speed within the parish.
343 00:45:41.991 --> 00:45:53.159 David Morgan-Jones: And that this is a draft. It's no mean it's not fixed, probably needs a bit of a scrub but it gives us the structure upon which we can actually just look at that 1st stage.
344 00:45:54.501 --> 00:46:13.638 David Morgan-Jones: and so moving on, to what sort of information do we need? So if we're looking at sap scores. Where do we get that from? Tristram's doing some work on parish online for me to be able to produce a spreadsheet so that I can then have a list of all those houses that have no
345 00:46:14.380 --> 00:46:21.420 David Morgan-Jones: Epc, or Epc is out of date, which means I can then fire up. My team
346 00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:32.519 David Morgan-Jones: don't exist yet. Notional team to be able to to go out and knock on people's doors and engage with people to see if we can get that as long as we can find some funding from somewhere.
347 00:46:33.470 --> 00:46:40.150 David Morgan-Jones: the next bit of question is, and this is where your website again becomes incredibly important
348 00:46:40.570 --> 00:46:44.909 David Morgan-Jones: of the areas where we're losing heat.
349 00:46:46.590 --> 00:47:01.349 David Morgan-Jones: which are the best areas we focus on. And there's some very good work done by Ucl, the Institute of Environmental Design engineering where they've actually looked at the payback periods for
350 00:47:02.423 --> 00:47:11.219 David Morgan-Jones: it, the type of insulation. And there are there is some insulation that is absolutely worth doing. But then that the next question is is, where are the Grants?
351 00:47:11.510 --> 00:47:14.240 David Morgan-Jones: Who's going to pay for this? How do I get it done?
352 00:47:16.660 --> 00:47:32.130 David Morgan-Jones: and if you. And so you can see on the on the slide there, where you're basically, it's cavity wall insulation, loft, insulation. The rest of the other types of insulation, particularly for very much more older buildings with single skin builds
353 00:47:33.520 --> 00:47:54.640 David Morgan-Jones: doing solid wall insulation is actually incredibly expensive, and actually, payback period is probably not worth doing. So you know, these are the sorts of debates that we could actually have. But having that on your website to be able to look at that type of data is really important. And when you're trying to persuade people what best form of insulation they should be trying to achieve.
354 00:47:54.640 --> 00:47:55.090 tristram cary: And.
355 00:47:55.270 --> 00:47:58.119 David Morgan-Jones: And also which would be quite helpful within.
356 00:47:58.674 --> 00:48:04.755 David Morgan-Jones: How do you manage the energy loss there are? There's Epc is not particularly
357 00:48:06.180 --> 00:48:08.479 David Morgan-Jones: accurate. It's an idea.
358 00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:16.369 David Morgan-Jones: Are there other technologies that we might be able to link in with other universities that actually gives us a much more real time
359 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.989 David Morgan-Jones: view of how well our houses are insulated.
360 00:48:20.490 --> 00:48:30.270 David Morgan-Jones: Now, the other thing that I've been speaking to Tristram about is that there is a firm about to resend 2 satellites up next year or this year. Actually.
361 00:48:30.490 --> 00:48:46.090 David Morgan-Jones: that does infrared analysis. Over the Uk. And so I've already written to the company, and they could literally identify the infrared output on a house by house output on a, on a house by house basis.
362 00:48:46.750 --> 00:48:56.969 David Morgan-Jones: Or we could use drones, or we could use whatever, but that would give us another indicator of how well we're insulated. So 1st step is to try and lose heat, stop losing heat.
363 00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:02.689 David Morgan-Jones: and the next thing is about, how do we make generation of heat as efficient as possible?
364 00:49:04.093 --> 00:49:13.150 David Morgan-Jones: There then needs a whole bit of work to be done in terms of developing an action card on on insulation, so that there's some work that needs to be done there.
365 00:49:13.856 --> 00:49:19.950 David Morgan-Jones: But the other big area that we I kept I've kept alluding to is about
366 00:49:20.090 --> 00:49:36.029 David Morgan-Jones: the generation of local generation of energy, because anything that we want to do, whether it's heat pumps, whether it's infrared whether it's other forms of storage heaters all depend on electricity in order to make make it work
367 00:49:37.464 --> 00:49:44.279 David Morgan-Jones: and so Tristan and I are doing some work with on the Csco project.
368 00:49:45.090 --> 00:49:47.690 David Morgan-Jones: About how do we generate
369 00:49:48.180 --> 00:50:01.252 David Morgan-Jones: local energy? And there's a whole worth, you know. There's a huge area of information needed there, Graham, in terms of how we pull all that together. You know what is the most efficient way of doing it. And when you just look at
370 00:50:01.830 --> 00:50:13.800 David Morgan-Jones: solar panels alone. The technology is exploding at a phenomenal rate and trying to corral that into something that's sensible.
371 00:50:14.710 --> 00:50:39.550 David Morgan-Jones: Because we could almost do with a which you know, which which guide to the best technology to use at a given point in time, because a lot of it's experimental. Some of it's very mature, but not that efficient. So it's that sort of stuff that we need in order to make sort of decisions at scale in order to to make a difference.
372 00:50:39.770 --> 00:50:47.790 David Morgan-Jones: So this is an approach where, if we carried on.
373 00:50:48.030 --> 00:51:13.750 David Morgan-Jones: we could logically identify a lot of the other areas where you need information. So if we go back into this space here, for example, so we've got sap schools, there's a whole bitch about how you do it? How do we use parish online? How do we produce the the spreadsheets and the list? Go to go go out and get people to engage. Where do we get funding from? What's the best way of getting money to do that?
374 00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:35.289 David Morgan-Jones: Then there's the whole bit on on insulation. What's best form of insulation how best to do it, I know, listening to some of the collaboration talks we've had when they were talked about insulation, the biggest problem which was a real, you know, it was a barn door. Obvious statement. But actually, until someone actually said it on one of your presentations.
375 00:51:35.290 --> 00:51:48.950 David Morgan-Jones: it's about people often put a lot of rubbish up into their their attics to get rid of it or to store it. How do you move it in order to get the insulation, because often we're dealing with very elderly people
376 00:51:49.040 --> 00:51:55.480 David Morgan-Jones: who have got no interest or desire to to empty their loft or move the stuff in their loft, and they don't have the ability to do it.
377 00:51:55.700 --> 00:52:03.839 David Morgan-Jones: So there is some stuff there about pulling in the information that you've already gained from these great speakers that you've you've had
378 00:52:05.433 --> 00:52:13.430 David Morgan-Jones: we've got replaced gas boilers. I've deliberately not put air source heat pumps, because I'm a bit of an air source heat pump, skeptic.
379 00:52:14.614 --> 00:52:23.299 David Morgan-Jones: I'm I'm incredibly keen on some form of technology. But we need to be. Look at technologies where we can replace gas
380 00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:30.209 David Morgan-Jones: with something. Don't know what it is. But that, there's a lot of work to be done to pull that together.
381 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:53.229 David Morgan-Jones: Electrical systems are relatively straightforward. A lot of people still use just straightforward immersion heaters, particularly fairly elderly people who've not, you know, really engaged in this for decades. And there's some work we could do to support that with modern timers and different things. So that's relatively straightforward.
382 00:52:54.365 --> 00:52:59.719 David Morgan-Jones: So yeah, that if we wanted to use this sort of technique like this, we could really
383 00:52:59.790 --> 00:53:13.490 David Morgan-Jones: dig through each of the pathways and identify where at parish and town council, we, we have a responsibility and then identify those areas for which we don't have a responsibility. We'd like to engage with support, perhaps.
384 00:53:13.955 --> 00:53:33.879 David Morgan-Jones: But not necessarily so. It gives us very clear boundaries which makes suddenly it workable and doable, as opposed to trying to handle a hugely complex area for which most of us don't have the resources in terms of manpower and expertise. Anyway, I'll shut up now and.
385 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:34.250 tristram cary: Send it back.
386 00:53:34.250 --> 00:53:35.240 David Morgan-Jones: To you, Graham.
387 00:53:36.120 --> 00:53:55.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, David, I think you've made all sorts of points much more succinctly than I did, which is to show that there are people out there who are developing the splendid sort of plans and guides on how to do things. I'm sure a lot of people would love to have a copy of this presentation of yours?
388 00:53:56.470 --> 00:54:15.729 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then the question is, is, you know, we need to be able to say, can you put it somewhere on a site that we can access it? Or can we borrow a copy of it, and we'll make it accessible to everybody? But these are all exactly the questions I was hoping to get asked and answered during the question and answer session. So you set a wonderful example. Thank you very much.
389 00:54:15.950 --> 00:54:21.640 David Morgan-Jones: Actually, Graham, answering, part of that, you know, what I'd like to do is to turn this into a
390 00:54:23.650 --> 00:54:30.319 David Morgan-Jones: a focus for discussion. So perhaps some of the collaboration periods are not necessarily being taught
391 00:54:30.750 --> 00:54:36.309 David Morgan-Jones: at, but actually engaged in terms of brainstorming through and working through
392 00:54:36.380 --> 00:55:01.679 David Morgan-Jones: so rather like in the old days when we used to have a windows used to be installed on your sip and used to have a wizard that would guide you through. I. It would be rather nice to have a sort of a a net 0 wizard that allowed you to be guided through, but was adaptable, and could be shaped to meet the needs of different parishes and towns. Because we're not all built the same. We're unique.
393 00:55:02.081 --> 00:55:04.329 David Morgan-Jones: There are cool things that are the same
394 00:55:04.780 --> 00:55:14.370 David Morgan-Jones: but there are things that will be unique and different, and we need to be highly adaptable to make sure that we can shape ourselves to the needs of the individual individual.
395 00:55:14.370 --> 00:55:15.070 David Morgan-Jones: She's in town.
396 00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:22.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Well, I think you've just opened up a whole new can of worms for the great collaboration to look into. Thank you so much.
397 00:55:22.830 --> 00:55:23.469 David Morgan-Jones: My pleasure.
398 00:55:23.470 --> 00:55:25.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Tristram.
399 00:55:26.520 --> 00:55:30.300 tristram cary: Yeah. Yes, thank you, David. That was very useful.
400 00:55:30.350 --> 00:55:59.730 tristram cary: I've got a bit of a problem about the about the concept that the great collaboration knowledge base will contain all the answers that everybody needs for everything, because it's you know, it's like the Encyclopedia Britannica. It's a massive task, and you need a lot of expertise. So I'm wondering whether whether the 1st thing, if you, if you think of an individual parish the 1st thing I think the parish always needs to do is to do the sort of analysis that David's just talked about and identify where
401 00:55:59.930 --> 00:56:19.430 tristram cary: the biggest gaps are, where they can take effective action. So you need to work out where your biggest bang for your buck comes from, and I think for most parishes that will be just as David said in in retrofit of insulation, and even even more important, renewable energy.
402 00:56:20.210 --> 00:56:27.890 tristram cary: Then, I think, in the knowledge base. What I would like to see, is is expert companies or institutions who
403 00:56:28.310 --> 00:56:39.869 tristram cary: can advise? And I think that the the private sector is going to be. You know, there's a lot of commercial interest, of course, in in doing this work. So when we're doing things like the
404 00:56:40.230 --> 00:56:47.319 tristram cary: Csco project, you know, they as part of their service, they gather because they're experts in the field.
405 00:56:47.540 --> 00:57:07.530 tristram cary: They know which technologies work. They can. They can advise on which panels they give you all the stats and everything. But so I see a parish's job is trying to engage people who can support the parish in doing the detail rather than parish councillors trying to become experts in in every field which is just too difficult.
406 00:57:08.150 --> 00:57:29.150 tristram cary: So I just thought that was a that's a useful thing, I think, to say that we we I expect these answers again to be provided in the end by commercial companies supported by Government loans. And, by the way, they will also be the experts on how to how to get the loans out of out of the whichever wherever they're coming from, and support the parish in that way.
407 00:57:29.540 --> 00:57:40.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, but all that you say is is true. I agree with you, and I agree with you that we are not intending to reinvent the wheel ourselves. We just want to point people to the best
408 00:57:41.210 --> 00:57:44.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones: places to get the information that you're seeking.
409 00:57:44.290 --> 00:57:55.639 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And in one of them I imagine, there's all sorts of dangers involved in our making recommendations, but I suggest that you could point people to the right places on trustpilot or something.
410 00:57:56.765 --> 00:57:59.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just as a a way forward. But yep,
411 00:58:01.470 --> 00:58:08.509 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anyone got any more questions they'd like to ask verbally, please, as opposed to the ones we've got in.
412 00:58:09.784 --> 00:58:22.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The the chat session. I must say, Liz, in Charlbury, I'm going to be on the phone to you shortly to say, when are you going to make a presentation to us all about what you're doing, because it looks absolutely fascinating.
413 00:58:23.160 --> 00:58:24.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So.
414 00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:28.040 Liz Reason, Charlbury: Yeah, I'll I'll be happy to do that.
415 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:29.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Great.
416 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:31.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you.
417 00:58:32.130 --> 00:58:44.319 Andrew Maliphant: Bit of a discussion in the chat going on about taxonomy, Graham, as to how you organize, I appreciate with the knowledge base that you put in a keyword, and it'll bring you up information regardless of where it's stored.
418 00:58:44.881 --> 00:59:11.179 Andrew Maliphant: But the other question is, how how do we actually manage that taxonomy when we put stuff in in the 1st place, and we, as you and I know, there are 2 or 3 different options that are already available to us, one of which is the one that's already on the great collaboration website. So so subtext of this is what what taxonomy are we? Are we? What headline Taxony should we say we're going to adopt? Knowing in the meantime that the knowledge base will be able to find information by by keyword or phrase.
419 00:59:13.270 --> 00:59:25.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, I was hoping that we'd have either Jules or Chris with us today to think of ways of people contributing information as well, because that's going to have to be automated as much as possible.
420 00:59:25.930 --> 00:59:36.290 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and that in order to contribute, they're going to want to have the taxonomy so they can make sure that things end up in the right place. So then the question comes, where do you put taxonomy?
421 00:59:36.842 --> 00:59:49.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that they can all use it. You know. I suspect there's going to be a section of the website where you invite people to contribute, and then it comes up and asks them how to categorize the stuff according to the taxonomy.
422 00:59:50.250 --> 00:59:54.559 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But rather than my blather on Belinda, I see you've got your hand up. Good day to you.
423 00:59:55.990 --> 01:00:14.989 Belinda Bawden: Hi, I've just been Dorset climate Action Network. We are doing a series of carbon literacy workshops for town and parish councillors and community groups, and we finished up early today. So some of us are here. But I was just going to say.
424 01:00:15.500 --> 01:00:39.379 Belinda Bawden: Was it, David, I think, was talking about focusing on which I don't disagree with focusing on the things that we can have the greatest impact on, but also not to forget that although we're not the transport planning authorities. I say we I should change that because I'm no longer a town councillor, but I am still a Dorset councillor.
425 01:00:39.500 --> 01:00:58.769 Belinda Bawden: There is a process at the moment for local transport plans being updated for the next 15 years or so is it? And the government guidance is, and local authority guidance is that it should be vision led rather than the old predict and provide model, which was.
426 01:00:58.770 --> 01:01:24.780 Belinda Bawden: how much? How much do we expect traffic to increase and let's build the infrastructure to accommodate it, that's all. Now turned round. So we're all being encouraged for a vision led approach which I said to my town council. Look if we, as the Town Council, are not the people developing the vision on behalf of our residents? Then who's going to do it for us? And it took me 4 years of nagging them to get a traffic and travel working group so that we could look at
427 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:30.659 Belinda Bawden: that very issue. And it was kind of, you know, broadly, what do we want? Our town centre?
428 01:01:30.670 --> 01:01:59.089 Belinda Bawden: How do we want it to look for? How do we want it to function? And then we put all of that information together as a broad vision into the local transport plan, and I actually had a meeting with some of the officers involved yesterday to say, now, what is the next stage? How do we, as local representatives, make the case for you to pay attention to our vision locally. So there, there is quite an important role. Because I feel like if
429 01:01:59.430 --> 01:02:03.720 Belinda Bawden: if the local locally, you know, sort of community based
430 01:02:03.910 --> 01:02:14.360 Belinda Bawden: representatives and community groups aren't thinking about things like design codes in planning. How do we want our places to look? I think there's a huge
431 01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:29.610 Belinda Bawden: amount of bottom up stuff that we could and should be doing. Even if we're not, you know we don't ultimately have the power to franchise the bus network or fund it. You know, we need to be asking for it and defining what it is we want
432 01:02:29.830 --> 01:02:34.209 Belinda Bawden: because they need it as well. They need. They need to hear from the local areas.
433 01:02:34.610 --> 01:02:54.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, and at the same point that a lot of that is what I was talking about in the transition towns idea, where people are saying, we're not going to leave it to the upper people. We're going to do it ourselves and make sure that our environment and our community is the way that we want it. So I think what you're saying is very similar that people have got to grab the nettle and get on with it.
434 01:02:56.610 --> 01:02:57.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you, Andrew.
435 01:02:58.570 --> 01:03:05.119 Andrew Maliphant: Thank you. I think a number of us have mentioned that the issues around engaging local communities.
436 01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:25.410 Andrew Maliphant: and certainly advice on that is going to be very welcome. We also know that how we get messages out is important at the time being. The other thing that is important, I think, is, if we're going to have community climate action workshops, we're going to get people there to talk about things absolutely right to get people's priorities in my village. They wanted the carnival back. But there we go.
437 01:03:25.470 --> 01:03:31.759 Andrew Maliphant: But it's also important, I think, to temper people's aspirations, because if people say I want all the shops back.
438 01:03:32.100 --> 01:03:58.169 Andrew Maliphant: As we can see, there may be all kinds of issues about that, and there are, on the one hand, there are trends in town center management. But there are also some realities about what is it can work and not work anymore in in the world that we're moving into. So I think the value is that? Yes, let's have. Let's engage our community. Let's have workshops and think about what can we look forward to? But it seems to me that there's a value also in getting facilitators that can help
439 01:03:58.170 --> 01:04:18.469 Andrew Maliphant: not necessarily steer the opinions of local people, but manage the workshops and feedback, and saying, Well, how do you think we're going to achieve that? And so we need some people that are able to do that at the moment the society of local Council clerks is looking at having some consultancy on the to do just that kind of thing.
440 01:04:18.470 --> 01:04:32.539 Andrew Maliphant: Jules is not here today. Obviously he does community climate actions from community climate action. Uk, and there will be other people as we go forward, I'm sure, doing that kind of thing, but I think one of the things we've talked about today is about having links to experts.
441 01:04:32.700 --> 01:04:40.619 Andrew Maliphant: And I think one of the things that we will also would like to see are links to people that can facilitate community climate action, which
442 01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:42.189 Andrew Maliphant: I'll add that to the list.
443 01:04:42.520 --> 01:04:43.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you.
444 01:04:43.770 --> 01:04:59.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'd also like to say a huge thank you to the people who've contributed in the chat. Some of that stuff looks really really helpful and useful, and I'm gonna spend a bit of time going through it with the help of Zoom's AI. See what we can get out of it.
445 01:05:00.060 --> 01:05:04.619 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and I hope this has been a useful topic for everybody.
446 01:05:05.120 --> 01:05:11.299 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm not sure, Sarah, are you holding a hand up because you want to raise the question. No, okay, just checking.
447 01:05:11.300 --> 01:05:12.492 Graham Stoddart-Stones: chewing my nail.
448 01:05:13.307 --> 01:05:33.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I do have one last request for everybody, which is that I've got all sorts of people volunteering to talk to us in the future. In terms of February, March, and April. But the last couple of weeks of January at the moment are a marvelous question, Mark.
449 01:05:33.940 --> 01:05:50.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if anybody has any ideas of who would be prepared to put on a presentation at quite short notice, I'd love to hear from you, please. Otherwise I'm going to have to come with something very dull myself next week and the week after. And you really really don't want that.
450 01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:51.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: He's very afraid.
451 01:05:51.460 --> 01:05:58.880 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, exactly so. The more I can tempt you to make a suggestion the better, please.
452 01:05:59.080 --> 01:06:05.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I'm fascinated by the information that's pouring in as we speak on the chat line.
453 01:06:05.470 --> 01:06:07.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is a grand total of 0.
454 01:06:09.540 --> 01:06:13.849 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Does anyone else want to raise any more points, please, before we close for the afternoon.
455 01:06:15.540 --> 01:06:18.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think this is a topic that will run and run. Graham.
456 01:06:18.550 --> 01:06:22.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm sure there's gonna be version 2, version 3 and version 4. As we as we go along.
457 01:06:22.890 --> 01:06:24.119 Andrew Maliphant: Feel about this, and.
458 01:06:24.120 --> 01:06:26.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And fantastic.
459 01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:43.050 Andrew Maliphant: We've got a we've got a a graduate intern coming in to talk with us about messaging and communication, and so forth. We've been to put some ideas together about that. The person said hasn't started work yet. But that that in terms of what the the baseline is for that particular piece of
460 01:06:44.030 --> 01:06:48.650 Andrew Maliphant: really thought of of a speaker between now and the end of journey. I could cover that point.
461 01:06:49.470 --> 01:06:54.103 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So again, very happy to tell you that 50% of the remaining
462 01:06:55.120 --> 01:06:58.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: banter sessions for the rest of this month have already been filled.
463 01:06:58.720 --> 01:07:13.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So thank you very much, Liz, and I'm looking for the other 50% one day of the week. That would be great. Thank you. Thank you all for your time today. Thank you very much for your inputs, and we look forward to the next time. Take care all bye, bye.
464 01:07:13.650 --> 01:07:14.700 Andrew Maliphant: Cheers, my friend!
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