Banter 30: Programme Review, 31Jul24, Andrew Maliphant

Chat:

00:13:49 David Morgan-Jones: I also had significant problems logging in

00:46:24 Amanda Davis: so basically a gantt chart

00:47:14 Amanda Davis: Nature recovery

01:07:31 Amanda Davis: Playgrounds: Wetpour? Weed management? Natural grass? wild areas? tyres for play? siting next to roads (environmental perspective) Choice of materials for play equipment... from a circular economy (how were these materials sourced, manufactured, transported, energy, and then disposal) etc etc

01:08:14 Amanda Davis: Trees aren't allowed on our allotments, as future tenants may not want to inherit an orchard plot

01:08:34 Amanda Davis: Car clubs, etc

01:09:11 Amanda Davis: Our bookable bus service in Gloucestershire .. the Robin. NOT a community transport

01:09:18 David Morgan-Jones: Following this article the creation and ongoing activity of the Great Collaboration is even more important :-) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/07/28/desnz-has-net-zero-competence/

01:09:39 Amanda Davis: Swift and other bricks in all our new homes

01:10:05 Amanda Davis: Dark skies policies

01:10:29 Amanda Davis: All these issues I have contacts for or local experience of

01:11:59 Jacky Lawrence: things we're thinking of here - circular economy in relation to PCs, Rubbish Friends litter picking, repair cafes, overcoming apathy, turning footpaths into bridle paths so they can become cycle paths to nearest town, pre-fabricated buildings, community orchard, anti-idling campaign outside school gates, off-site construction,

01:12:13 Amanda Davis: Moreton in Marsh prefab off site and delivered to site, these homes were neutral homes and social rent too I think.... Cotswold District Council

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Meeting Summary for Great Collaboration Banter session 31Jul24

Jul 31, 2024 11:46 AM London ID: 834 5460 8536Quick recap

The team discussed team attendance, the creation of a biosphere reserve, and the importance of sustainable lighting for sports associations. They also explored collaborations with the Allotment Society and the potential of local authority pension funds for green projects. Lastly, they discussed the need for a targeted approach to reducing CO2 emissions, the potential of vertical connections up through the districts and counties, and the importance of engaging with new government ministers.

Next steps

Andrew to circulate the list of upcoming topics to the Great Collaborations collective.

David to send his presentation slides to Andrew for sharing with the group.

Andrew to rewrite the lottery bid for Great Collaborations funding.

Content group to identify priority areas for developing methodologies and guidance.

Andrew to follow up with Liz Shaler about presenting on retrofitting village halls.

Andrew to contact Bob Sherman about potentially presenting on Harbury's community energy initiatives.

Summary

Team Attendance and Biosphere Reserve Discussion

Andrew, tristram, and Jacky discussed team member attendance. Jacky joined and left the meeting, while Amanda Davis's attendance was anticipated for her ideas. They noted the need to revisit topics due to new members and a Zoom sign-in issue that Andrew suggested examining. Chris, their Zoom manager, was absent due to a sailing trip. Andrew mentioned his role in setting up meeting invitations. He discussed creating a biosphere reserve in the Forest of Dean, with upcoming events including talks by Ed Gemel and Mike Ackles, and the involvement of Chris Mcflyne. The team considered applying the biosphere reserve concept to other areas. Andrew and Jacky discussed revisiting topics like parish councils, flood risk, allotments, and village halls. Andrew shared a case study about retrofitting a village hall, interesting Jacky. Jacky proposed parish councils creating mini forests, prompting Amanda to suggest discussing the process of acquiring and managing woodlands.

Sustainable Lighting for Sports Associations

The team discussed the importance of sustainable lighting for sports associations and its impact on the environment and wildlife. Amanda shared her expertise on lighting and planning issues, while Jacky highlighted the successful switch to LED lights by the Local Sports Association. David proposed creating checklists and toolkits to assist Parish Councils in navigating sustainable lighting complexities. Andrew agreed, suggesting the use of a template for recording good practices and the conversion of this template into a wiki for easy access and interlinking of information. The team also discussed the potential for anyone to edit the pages, with the responsibility falling to a designated adult to ensure accuracy and remove any inappropriate content.

Allotment Collaboration and Carbon Reduction Strategy

tristram and Andrew proposed a collaboration with the Allotment Society to enhance and promote allotments, with plans to secure funding from various sources. Amanda shared that her Parish Environment Committee was revising their allotment policies to be more inclusive and environmentally friendly, including the introduction of beekeeping. The group agreed to pursue these leads and continue discussions with relevant parties. Additionally, the involvement of community experts in parish councils, particularly in relation to biodiversity net gain and climate and environment initiatives, was discussed. Lastly, David presented a strategy to reduce carbon emissions, with a focus on major areas like transport and domestic generation, and Amanda sought clarification on its district council perspective and whether it included a food and drink component.

Targeted Approach for Reducing CO2 Emissions

David and tristram discussed the need for a targeted approach to reducing CO2 emissions, with a focus on key contributors at the district and parish levels. David introduced the concept of Campaign Planning from the military to simplify project planning and emphasized the importance of collaboration across different sectors. They agreed on the potential benefits of having a set of plans that could be adapted to meet individual towns and parishes, and the possibility of converting these into task lists. Both highlighted the need for a more structured approach to community energy projects and other initiatives aimed at reducing carbon emissions, and the importance of leveraging existing collaboration and links to parishes and districts.

Project Direction and Collaboration Plans

David agreed to send over his presentation to Andrew, while Amanda expressed her appreciation for the structure and direction of the project. She suggested focusing on small, manageable steps to make a big difference at the local level, and proposed listing a series of potential topics for future discussions. David and tristram shared their experiences as parish councilors and emphasized the need for collaboration between the district and parish councils. The team also discussed the potential for vertical connections up through the districts and counties.

Green Investments and Community-Led Projects

Stuart proposed that local authority pension funds could be used to invest in green projects, with Andrew agreeing that such investments should ideally yield a decent return. Jacky introduced the successful renewable energy project of Harbory, a community group turned community interest company, as an example of how community-led efforts can thrive with the right support. Andrew discussed ongoing activities and the application for a lottery bid to cover costs, while tristram suggested identifying priority areas for methodology and guidance in the content group and the potential of using engineered wood for construction. Lastly, Andrew emphasized the importance of engaging with new government ministers to promote the interests of the Town Parish Council sector, which he felt had been marginalized.

Gloucestershire Association Lobbying for Government Support

Amanda discussed the motions passed by the Gloucestershire Association of Harris and Town Councils, which called for lobbying the government on issues related to new homes, estate management, and biodiversity net gain requirements. She highlighted the need for public ownership of ponds and flood management systems to ensure proper maintenance and prevent flooding. Andrew mentioned the new director of policy and external services at SLCC and the potential for SLCC to add weight to their campaigning and lobbying efforts. The conversation ended with plans to improve communication methods to reach the growing number of members and a report from Peterborough Environment and City Trust scheduled for the following week.

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tristram cary: Hello! Andrew.

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Andrew Maliphant: Christian. Thanks. Your email. Very good jacky appeared and then disappeared again. So I expect she'll be back.

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tristram cary: Just just us. That's extraordinary.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well.

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tristram cary: Let's see.

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Andrew Maliphant: This is the difference between here she comes. The difference between having a clear topic and a general discussion.

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tristram cary: Yes. Yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: No idea how many of us they would be.

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Andrew Maliphant: Hi! Jackie!

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Jacky Lawrence: Hello!

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Andrew Maliphant: Amanda Davis doesn't turn up, but we'll see

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Jacky Lawrence: Oh, she's.

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Andrew Maliphant: No, she's got some ideas for for the program. So yeah, she mentioned it last time.

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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you, David. Good to see you here what I'll do. I'll put up the list so we could start thinking about it.

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Andrew Maliphant: We've got what we.

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tristram cary: There's a bar.

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Andrew Maliphant: And my work. We've done quite a lot.

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tristram cary: Yeah, it's totally good, isn't.

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Jacky Lawrence: Don't you think there'll come a time when we have to revisit ones that have already been done, cause we'll get new people on.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well, we're already having. We've got carbon literacy coming again on the 14th from the Carbon Literacy project. Yes, if there's any that we think, oh, go away

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Andrew Maliphant: any that we think need particularly refreshing. Let's let's let's think about that. Certainly. Yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: yeah, David, understand about signing in what's

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Andrew Maliphant: Chris?

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Andrew Maliphant: Sorry, Graham, who who manages these zoom sessions? He! He's been thwarted from being spending more time with us this month through adverse winds on his ending trip, and so he hasn't. He was only with us a couple of days for it to go back to Spain, so he hasn't looked again at the issue that we have with signing in with it, with the zoom.

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Andrew Maliphant: I've had a look at it myself.

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Andrew Maliphant: This is about advanced registration. I haven't been able to pick it out. We will have to look at that more closely. We may have to ring Zoom to work out what it is. I'm wondering. I'm wondering out loud whether in terms of the advanced registration that there's a there's a sort of file folder for it within zoom, and we've filled up the you know the storage space.

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Andrew Maliphant: That's only a single guess on my part.

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Andrew Maliphant: But yeah, it's we need to get back to how easy it was to join in before.

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Jacky Lawrence: Got in

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Jacky Lawrence: through signing in for next week's again.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, that's right, yeah.

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Jacky Lawrence: And got straight in by doing that registered for the event.

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Jacky Lawrence: Once.

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Andrew Maliphant: Once we've yeah, once once the meeting is started it's easy to log straight in, and we found that out.

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Andrew Maliphant: but to say, unfortunately, Chris, I keep trying to say Chris Graham was only with us for a couple of days. before he had to go back again.

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Andrew Maliphant: as he was say, was helping to sail the sale. The ship out out to Spain came back to do some work, and then he had to fly back again to shale ship back again, so that's where he is.

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Andrew Maliphant: But he should be with us by the end of August. I'll be well.

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tristram cary: Is Joel's going to join us. Do you think.

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Andrew Maliphant: Pause.

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Andrew Maliphant: I don't know.

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Andrew Maliphant: I've been rather being a bit of a caretaker chairman of the sort of setting out the invitations every.

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David Morgan-Jones: I'm.

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Andrew Maliphant: people tend not to say whether they're coming or not. They just tend to turn up.

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Andrew Maliphant: Hopefully, also, what we'll what I'll do at the end of this session, however long it takes is

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Andrew Maliphant: I'll email what we've talked about and email, the you know, these notes I've got here around the whole team.

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Andrew Maliphant: I'll audience and we'll speak. Give people opportunity to make any other suggestions. Let's say I know Amanda was going to be speaking to somebody else about it.

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Andrew Maliphant: see where we go from there.

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Andrew Maliphant: So, as I say, it may be just the 4 of us. I don't know but I think the idea as well as the new stuff

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Andrew Maliphant: Trisha was suggested. Something on

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Andrew Maliphant: a timber construction.

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Andrew Maliphant: Let's see if I can find my notes. From what Amanda said last time.

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tristram cary: About timber, construction.

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Andrew Maliphant: No, not about about.

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Andrew Maliphant: there was some. She was got climate, anxiety. There we are.

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Andrew Maliphant: So I'll add that to the list. Obviously, that is a valid sort of item.

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Andrew Maliphant: Adam.

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Andrew Maliphant: those of us who silver in our heads. We'll see. There we are.

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Andrew Maliphant: So that was one suggestion. As you'll see the next 5 we I've managed to get some great volunteers along

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Andrew Maliphant: per paper. Environmental City Trust are coming on the 7.th

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Andrew Maliphant: The Carbon Literacy project itself is coming on the 14.th

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Andrew Maliphant: My friend Ed Gamel, who's a very good speaker indeed.

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Andrew Maliphant: Mike Eccles, who's a regular attendant. These events is going to talk about all things they're doing in pay on. Why.

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Andrew Maliphant: and Chris Mcfarlane, one of the

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Andrew Maliphant: Cabinet members in the Forest of Dean District Council, have been heavily involved in this member of the Green party.

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Andrew Maliphant: We have particular thing in the Forest of Dean about a biosphere.

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Andrew Maliphant: For us to dean.

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Andrew Maliphant: Some of us may or may not know.

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Andrew Maliphant: There were 2 reports made after the the Second World War about protected landscapes, national parks.

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Andrew Maliphant: America was 1st in with national parks idea. I think it was. Yellowstone is the 1st ever one

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Andrew Maliphant: and there are 2 reports looking at places where they should be national parks or brick landscapes in some sort or another.

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Andrew Maliphant: the Forrester Dean featured on both lists.

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Andrew Maliphant: But has never actually had any particular designation.

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Andrew Maliphant: Bits of the forest. There's a y Valley A and B, but not the forest itself.

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Andrew Maliphant: So its protection has been mostly because it's owned by the Crown.

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Andrew Maliphant: But there's the idea about having a Biosphere reserve is something that's come through locally and it will be interesting to hear from Chris how that develops, how that has developed. And of course, think about whether that might be applied as a concept

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Andrew Maliphant: elsewhere. Yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: So, Jackie, you said, what are there other things that we might want to revisit?

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Jacky Lawrence: Yeah, I was just having a look at what the responsibilities or the roles of parish councils.

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Jacky Lawrence: So I was just having a look at the list of things we've already covered, and possibly things that might I mean, I can't recommend speakers.

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Jacky Lawrence: but I was just looking at this, so I know we've already done flood risk, haven't we? But allotments

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Jacky Lawrence: village halls, I mean, I don't know if there's any good case studies. There must be some village halls that are like net 0.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well, funny you should say that because I've got Liz Shayla, who is from Somerset, who we did a case study with her

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Andrew Maliphant: on

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Andrew Maliphant: retrofitting a village hall.

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Andrew Maliphant: It was an interesting story, because they went down a long way down the road, and that it discovered, because the All had a metal roof.

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Andrew Maliphant: There were practical issues with pulling panels on it.

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Jacky Lawrence: Yes.

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Andrew Maliphant: However, good news is. The next door to them was the scout hut.

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Andrew Maliphant: and they could put pals on the scouts. They've so that's altogether quite a fascinating story, so I'll I'll make a note of that

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Andrew Maliphant: to chase up that with with Liz. That'd be fine.

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Jacky Lawrence: There's just what there's another thing from from our experience where we we are. The Parish Council own a spinney, a small woodland which is outside or just on the edges of the parish boundary.

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Jacky Lawrence: And so one of the suggestions that they haven't said. But somebody else has said just one of the members of the public is, why don't they sell that and buy some land

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Jacky Lawrence: within the village envelope to plant tree and plant trees? So I don't know whether there's any experience of parish councils creating their own little mini forests, or something.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay, sale and purchase, shall I? Yeah.

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Jacky Lawrence: Yeah, Andrew.

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Amanda Davis: I've got an idea on that one. It's Amanda here.

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Amanda Davis: North Leach, Pauline. Is the clerk there, and they they inherited, or they were they asked for and were gifted by Cotswold District Council, some woodland that they're now managing, that they didn't have before but there's more to it than that, and I wonder whether that might be of interest.

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Jacky Lawrence: Woodland management. Yes.

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Amanda Davis: It. Well, it was about how they got the track, how they got it, they how they came into ownership of it, and how they're now managing it and running it, and what what the issues have been.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay.

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Amanda Davis: North, Leach, you know that's just down the road from Boughton on the water.

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Andrew Maliphant: Indeed.

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Jacky Lawrence: Another thing that we've just supported as the climate and Environment Working group is the Local Sports Association. Changing their floodlights to Leds and getting a grant for it. So I'm sure there's lots of parish councils

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Jacky Lawrence: with sports associations close by them that might also want to use Leds.

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Amanda Davis: And a and also it's about the angling of the lights as well for dark sky status and for the owls and nightlife.

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Amanda Davis: If you've got a nature reserve next to you. So if it's anything on lighting, I've got a little bit of knowledge and contact on that.

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Amanda Davis: but it's a it's a an adjacent issue. It's a different issue to when Jackie's raising, which is about a program of replacing with Led. But this is this is about not just leds per se, but about the angling of them. So they angle downwards, or we just have experience where we've got a a plan, a new planning development instead of having floodlights on the top of their 2 story building angled down. They've done these posts where there's a light at the top, but they're like bollards.

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Amanda Davis: So they've kept the lighting much lower.

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Amanda Davis: So it's sort of planning issues for lighting and also lighting when you're next to a nature reserve. And one of the planning restrictions is that you can't have street lighting. So what do you do? And if you haven't thought about putting street lighting restrictions on when you've got on the edge of green space, etc. Thinking about dark sky status.

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Jacky Lawrence: It's not just that. It's the web lighting affects butterflies and moths, and their ability to like continue their species.

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Andrew Maliphant: Sport sport England, how developing a policy whereby they won't grow people unless they to clubs unless they are paying attention to some of these matters. We do have a link to the conservation officer there, so maybe that would be good person to come across David. You got your hand up, then.

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David Morgan-Jones: Yeah, just a just a general observation and and and some thoughts.

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David Morgan-Jones: I mean, I've now that Tristan very kindly invited me in.

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David Morgan-Jones: this. This has been fascinating, and the amount of information that that we're I'm beginning to sort of absorb is, you know, almost sort of get my brain melting out my ears.

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David Morgan-Jones: I just wonder

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David Morgan-Jones: whether there is a way of taking all this fantastic stuff that people are advising and and talking about.

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David Morgan-Jones: I'm producing a series of checklists and toolkits.

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David Morgan-Jones: because it's so difficult to handle the huge amount of information that's now out there.

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David Morgan-Jones: And if you're quite a naive

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David Morgan-Jones: Parish Council, which I think the majority of Parish councils are.

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David Morgan-Jones: if they want to try and and start to make inroads into some of this stuff.

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David Morgan-Jones: Just a simple idiot's guide to so getting going would be incredibly helpful.

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David Morgan-Jones: With more detail information if you wanted it. So you know, lighting on sports fields is not going to be an issue for us, but it may well be for a number of others. So the ability to go, you know, lighting. Okay? And then go into the lighting checklist and all those sort of issues and problems associated with, you know that. And it's impact. I mean, I hadn't even thought about, you know, dark skies. But you're absolutely right. And then it's impact on.

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tristram cary: Local population.

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David Morgan-Jones: Too. You suddenly realize. Gosh, yeah. And then, maybe making sure you only have it on when you need to have it on

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David Morgan-Jones: that type of thing. So it's about, how do we begin to

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David Morgan-Jones: harness this knowledge

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David Morgan-Jones: in a way that really

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David Morgan-Jones: allows us to get on and start doing some stuff as opposed to talking about stuff.

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Andrew Maliphant: You've just described the great Collaborations Mission, David.

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Andrew Maliphant: which is absolutely spot on. And and no, I'm not. You know it's true. What we're looking to do is is to make joining up the dots, make what we call making the climate jungle more navigable

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Andrew Maliphant: because you're right. There's too much stuff out there. And of course, every time somebody has a bright idea, yeah, the jungle gets thicker. Yeah, exactly. So what I've got on the screen now is the template we've developed for recording such good practice.

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Andrew Maliphant: and we're actively working on. We've got a small team working on populating this. I'll see if I've got the one about

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Andrew Maliphant: Yes, indeed. I've have written to Government ministers on Monday. I haven't had any plans yet, but we will see what transpires. As you know, Tristan.

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Jacky Lawrence: So I've got something to add to your allotment thing. So on on Monday our Parish Council are discussing whether to purchase the weed, suppressing membrane to create another 3 allotments in the land that they're already using. That's been like lots of left fallow for ages. So it was just just that.

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Amanda Davis: And he also plays to. Was it David Tristram or David who said about you know the allotment of society, for example, Uniform Association. It's kind of knowing who the experts are out there and working alongside them. But I think it's still got to be us running this show, because it's from a parish townhouse perspective, isn't it? We are the experts on that.

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tristram cary: But they do, but they do have a lot of expertise on allotments, and they lecture all around the country on how to do it, and they they would have somebody. I'm ashore who'd know about bees and be able to advise.

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Amanda Davis: Who are the experts as well. So my point is, there are experts out there.

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Amanda Davis: but you still got to have a lead, and I think we've got to retain the lead on this because our focus is parish and town councils. So it's like any matrix we're deciding which route to go down, but we've got to bump into lots of experts along the way.

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tristram cary: Amanda. I don't know if it's just me, but I find you very difficult to hear you. You've turned into a dalek.

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Jacky Lawrence: So one person sort of like works in transport, but's got particular interest in community orchards and cycling and active travel. I've got a particular interest in energy. And the other person is an an architect. So is interested in buildings and thermal imaging and that sort of thing.

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David Morgan-Jones: parish district county level doesn't really matter. So there's a whole bunch of stuff that's about, how do we tile this information in so that we can then start pushing down these particular routes in order to improve, to, to, to to achieve that target. Sorry, Tristan. I'll shut up now.

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Andrew Maliphant: No, th. That's a pretty expose of the of the things that we we need to produce and and bring together. Trish!

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tristram cary: David, that you've you said that the great collaboration has been enormously helpful in understanding the problem, your 1st blue bubble.

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tristram cary: but it I think it should also be extremely important for the next one of creating a plan.

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David Morgan-Jones: Well, if we could, if we could. Yeah, I completely agree with you, Tristan. If we can generate

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tristram cary: And I. I just wanted to develop that theme a bit. Because I another thing that strikes me about the Wednesday sessions we've had is that there? There they are of 2 very different sorts. There is. There are some things like community energy generation which David was talking about.

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tristram cary: Alex Templeton Csco. Company, you know. That's a sort of very, very major thing that will make a massive contribution if we can start to get community energy projects that are funded by a 3rd party.

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tristram cary: and everybody in the parish can join in. Which is what Alex is Amy at, you know that's that's a huge bit. And then there are other presentations we've had which are

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tristram cary: very much, very much. They're very different. They're more personal. 20 is plenty is a sort of good example. It's it's a great thing, but it's not. It's that's not itself a sort of top level initiative that that every council is going to have to tackle. And what I would like to suggest is that we we, if we identify the

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tristram cary: key things that we need to concentrate, on, which, which is, are things like home insulation.

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tristram cary: community energy. So you've insulated the houses. You then got to produce clean energy, and then woodland planning and house construction. And by the way home construction is another thing. We're going to have to add, David, I think, to these lists, because I think every council is going to have increased housing, and we've got to make that housing as green as we can and have standard building standards that make sure that what we're doing is not going to contribute further to the problem.

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tristram cary: And what I'd like to suggest is that if we could identify these top level strands and they're probably 10 of them at the very top level. We we should then engage the the public sector body responsible for that. So for for you know, for clean it for well, for domestic

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tristram cary: insulation is, I don't know who it is, actually, but for green energy, you know, this is the Department of Energy, and I think we should we should use the power we've got with the great collaboration and our links to so many parishes and districts to put together a sort of plan to say, we want to develop

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tristram cary: a methodology for this this process.

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tristram cary: and we want your support and probably your financial support, because all the government departments have budgets to help with these things, and I think we should be if we're very directed. And we say we've got we've got the great collaboration we've got the

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tristram cary: we can. We can produce, you know, parish volunteers or groups of volunteers to trial stuff. We've got a requirement which is underwritten by nalk, and the the society of local council clerks. So we're sort of taking a very central position in something which at the moment is very amorphous. And there's a just a massive waste of energy going on, a waste of money going on with everybody, trying to reinvent the wheel.

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tristram cary: I think we should. We should really take this great collaboration to do that, and to have a much more structured way. To say, this is the problem we're trying to solve. We want your support Defra, or whoever it is, department of Energy. And here's what we want to do and give us money.

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David Morgan-Jones: I think the other thing.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yep.

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David Morgan-Jones: Sorry, not as a parish as a district.

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David Morgan-Jones: And then how do you store that energy? So community storage systems? So that when we're like today or particularly yesterday, we were generating huge amounts of solar energy, but most of it would have been wasted into that. Well would not waste it, but have dissipated into the grid and so it's that sort of thing that when we starting to think about that, and then align.

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David Morgan-Jones: Because we're talking 5, 10 year planning cycles here for this type of activity. We have the Smes that will help

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David Morgan-Jones: we are getting the best of the best. And again, as as Tristan alluded to earlier, we're not constantly reinventing wheels in our own little biospheres. Which is what we have a tendency to do.

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David Morgan-Jones: Yeah. Anyway, I'll close my my thing down.

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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you.

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David Morgan-Jones: Very much over there.

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Andrew Maliphant: If you could send over that presentation. If you're able to do that, David, that would be brilliant to capture some of those slides that would be fantastic.

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David Morgan-Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No. Problem.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yes, and you're you're talking yourself into some regular regular working with this, I'm afraid. So there you go. We will. Yeah, we will be in touch. Amanda. I I'm so pleased we're having this session because we've had so many great ideas, so much feedback already. Amanda.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, thank you. David, are you? Are you authoring so that way you can take construct to the criticism.

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David Morgan-Jones: Course. Yeah. No.

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Amanda Davis: Called me to account for it. In a sense.

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David Morgan-Jones: No! No! This.

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Amanda Davis: Just, this is.

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David Morgan-Jones: This is very.

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Amanda Davis: So the subject, not of you and your work. But I really do want to say that. I couldn't help but feel that with the different hats I wear. I come to this with the parishioner Council hat

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Amanda Davis: as a councillor and as a clock. I I often get invited to the District Council or bigger strategic issues. I'm a politically economist and sort of national infrastructure project, professional, but I often feel gossip as a parishion town Council

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Amanda Davis: person with that hassle, but others are telling me what to do, how to do it or taking over.

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Amanda Davis: and I very much feel that what great collaborations done for me is to empower me, and a passion to have council level, to say to the others, actually.

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Amanda Davis: for once I feel in control, I feel empowered. I feel invited, and we're in drancy. Thank you very much, and we've done a whole lot of work to do. I think what your

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Amanda Davis: your slide shows us is a nice, neat summary of exactly what you said about. Let's not

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Amanda Davis: Let's not duplicate the the intellectual efforts, and maybe even go as far as we invest in a lot of cool things. That's really an efficient way of using public resources.

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Amanda Davis: And I fully agree that it's always nice to understand a strategic tent, if you like, or jungle order that we're operating in our parish and town council level. But I guess I just wanted to bring the conversation back a little to the you know. What have we got a lot of? We've got playgrounds. We've got cemeteries. We've got allotments. We've sometimes got buildings.

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Amanda Davis: We've certainly got people

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Amanda Davis: who've got their own houses and etc. And I'm just kind of bringing it down from that overarching strategic level that I normally deal with in my professional world to the parish in Town Council, very local level, that a lot of people run away when they're here.

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Amanda Davis: those big strategic issues, because it's just too big. And we can't make a difference. And I think what great collaboration does is show us the little things so that we can make a big, big difference with. Because I think you make the point about how you beat the elephant. Yeah. And we quickly turn into the jungle. So my point about the elephant to use that analogy is that

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Amanda Davis: I think some people in our parish attacks at the sphere

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Amanda Davis: we wanted to do a lot of things. But there was nobody to do it, and we ran out of 2 min, and we just never got around to the next meeting, so it was easy to just expand it because we weren't quite ready. And I think that's taking on too much.

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Amanda Davis: And what we really need to do is focus in on the one or 2 little steps and then start to build a movement at grass roots level among those that don't even know where to start, and.

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David Morgan-Jones: Amanda, can I just come back?

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Amanda Davis: Oh, she'll be glad.

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David Morgan-Jones: No, no, no, no, just give a bit of background. Tristan and I have been joining. We're both parish counselors. So we? We look at

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David Morgan-Jones: because everybody's got utterly bored and they don't, and rather like you said they don't know where to start.

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David Morgan-Jones: and then the next workshop will be with the parish councillors

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David Morgan-Jones: to work out what it is we can do and what we want to do, what we well, what we can do. And how do we engage in this at a at a parish level?

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David Morgan-Jones: So there's a lot of work to be done to unpack this down to the next level.

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David Morgan-Jones: And it's very much a collaborative process, because there is just no way that the District Council can. Actually, you know, we've got

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David Morgan-Jones: so absolutely. Get where you're coming from.

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tristram cary: Sorry. Can I also just jump in? I'm so sorry, Stuart and Jackie, but I think I think it's I was very frustrated as a parish council that we weren't getting support from the District Council, for instance. They've got an ecology officer, and they're building a trees plan, but they wouldn't. They wouldn't tell us, I said, why aren't we working together?

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tristram cary: And I think with the district is also becoming aware that if it wants to engage with communities. It needs to work through the parishes. So I think we're getting a much better understanding of how to stop that being obstructive and make it collaborative.

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Amanda Davis: I think I'm probably coming from a political geography where, because of the funding was restricted at districts and charity levels in terms of always reaching the cap and beyond

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Amanda Davis: with the council tax, and it was always parish. Now, councils, you're gonna do more. You're gonna do it this way. You're gonna fund it, you know. So I think that's the context of me expressing what I was expressing.

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Amanda Davis: And may I also just get permission, please, to list a whole series of things going right back to ground level for now to list a series of suggestions for the topics or the next answer session. Can I just pop them into the chat in case I need to leave before the end.

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Andrew Maliphant: Put them in the chat, please, Amanda, thank you very much.

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Amanda Davis: As opposed to project manager, program, manager, and all that stuff they did. I thoroughly approval for the way that it's set out, and I love that, but that's not what you see.

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Andrew Maliphant: In our, in our regional pilot. We are looking at ways of not just the horizontal, like all horizontal links with connect parishes and communities, but also vertical up through the districts and counties as well. And we have got a team working on that. And certainly, David will get back to hopefully to share more thoughts on that.

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Stuart Withington: Hi, thanks. Really sorry I missed the talk bit of a medical emergency with mother-in-law.

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Andrew Maliphant: It. It wasn't. It wasn't a talk.

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Stuart Withington: This.

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Andrew Maliphant: Miss nothing.

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Stuart Withington: What? What whatever? I I think part of the problem that I'm experiencing is that there is no

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Stuart Withington: and I I realize that a lot of them don't require any funding

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Stuart Withington: There's no funding for therefore the council, my council think well, we? We can't get involved.

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Stuart Withington: But just looking at the most recent figures I've got.

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Stuart Withington: surely. And I think that the new government has been hinting about this with

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Stuart Withington: that these funds ought to be used in a different way

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Stuart Withington: and I think most.

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Stuart Withington: many suits in the city, and this, that and the other. And I, I think we need to so try and wrestle back control of at least part of this to fund our ambitions.

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Andrew Maliphant: Right, I think what we've said all along is. And this is another great example of it. Stuart, is that as we're developing some of this practical stuff on the ground issues for campaigning will arise. This is one of them, isn't it? And so then it becomes a question of how that is pursued. So yeah.

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Stuart Withington: Yeah, and and green investments should ultimately make a a decent return.

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Andrew Maliphant: I'm speaking to people at Middlesex University on this issues of green finance. They've been working on it as well, and Alex Templeton, who came to talk

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Andrew Maliphant: on the the accounts, has has also got some some eyes in the fire there. So yeah, this, this whole issue of funding and better quality funding. Very much. So, yeah, thank you. Jacky.

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Andrew Maliphant: this is great. By the way.

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Jacky Lawrence: Following on from some of the things that David said made me think.

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Jacky Lawrence: Now you've met Bob Sherman. So it would just make me think if you're having like specialist talks, I don't think Bob could condense this into 15 min.

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Jacky Lawrence: But they started off with harbor energy initiative as a community group

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Jacky Lawrence: moved into an electric vehicle. Car Share Club moved into harbour e wheels and then had then. Now the the project they're working on at the moment is harbor future energy, and it will be a 7 kilowatt, vertical access, wind, turbine, 13 kilowatt, solar pv. Panel, a hundred 60 kilowatt battery, 22 charge points for people in the village that don't have off street parking for themselves.

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Jacky Lawrence: to raise money for harbour e wheels, which is electric vehicles taking people who can't drive anymore to medical appointments, etc. So it's transport. It's energy. It's community engagement. They started off as a community group, and they had to work to get the Parish Council to support them.

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Jacky Lawrence: and once they've got that support eventually they went for a royal rf, rural community energy funding stage one they got that which proved that it was a viable project. Then they got our Sef fund in Stage 2, which gave them the business plan, which then enabled the County Council to apply for a levy levy funding, and they've got nearly a million pounds to deliver this project now from the Government.

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Jacky Lawrence: So I just thought that, you know there's so many things he could talk about. Obviously I haven't asked him if he'd be willing.

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Andrew Maliphant: Good luck!

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Jacky Lawrence: But it's a suggestion.

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Andrew Maliphant: Sure I put harbor in brackets against the idea of the community group discussion, because what you've described sounds to me like something that started somewhere that this kept itself going. That's built, smoothed on, that's fine funding, and so forth.

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Jacky Lawrence: Community interest company now rather than just an ordinary community group.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah. So they've gone. They've been through quite a long journey, quite a a gamut of quite a number of different skills, initiatives and working together. Brilliant. Yes. So, okay, yeah. I I think I've I'm on the regular mailing list from from. I'll be on the I'll have it. Have a chat.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay? Thanks again. Amanda for the items in the chat, which I'll we'll

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Andrew Maliphant: go on

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Andrew Maliphant: bookable bus service. Yep,

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Andrew Maliphant: And I cut

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Andrew Maliphant: the creation ongoing activity. Yes, I think what we've got at the moment. David, and everybody with great collaborations. We've got 3 working groups we've got 4 for include fundraising. One is about the technical side and the websites and development, and the It side.

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Andrew Maliphant: one is about the content, the guidance, putting things into each terms. And the 3rd one is about publicity and communication. And at the moment it seems in in terms of this whole agenda. The way you tell them is top of the list in terms of how we get information out

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Andrew Maliphant: and how we engage people. So that is another important area to take care of. We're applying in our lottery bid to cover all of these bases once that bid which has been getting. I've got a lot of feedback on that. That's my job this afternoon to rewrite it. Then we'll be looking again at other sources of funding for all the different elements. Trish you put your hand up.

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tristram cary: Yeah, can I? Just I've I think I'm repeating myself a bit. But in the content group I don't. I think it would be really good to identify

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tristram cary: in priority orders.

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tristram cary: in part over rather the areas where we do want a methodology and the guidance. And and we should maybe bid for funds for that specific thing rather than a general pot of money, which is what you're you're going for at the moment

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tristram cary: I think that would be really useful, and I just wanted to also say that in my list of things I added.

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tristram cary: building in timber.

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tristram cary: and there is, I don't know if you know. But there's a defra

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tristram cary: guidance

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tristram cary: saying that the government wants to increase the use of timber in construction because concrete is a massively carbon damaging thing to build in, and with new, with engineered wood. You can now make buildings that are tall and strong, and you can make timber as strong as steel and rock proof.

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tristram cary: and I don't think that's really understood. And as the housing target is going up to 370, 0 0 0 a year. If we could start to build in timber, it would sequester timber carbon rather, which is good. It would encourage woodland development to make working woods to develop panels.

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tristram cary: and I think it would be a very nice topic to to discuss, and that should be, you know, when when we come to David's plan, I think construction of new housing is going to be an important line with important climate implications. So I think we should have a way to encourage neighbourhood plans and and district and local plans to include the encouragement of timber construction.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay.

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Andrew Maliphant: what? What? What? I've

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Andrew Maliphant: I I thought I should, for the great collaboration we should write to the new government ministers to get some points in with them. But also to make sure you know. Fly the flag for the Town Parish Council sector, which is Amanda's pointing out, can sometimes get

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Andrew Maliphant: marginalized is perhaps too strong a word, but it feels like it sometimes.

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Andrew Maliphant: so I I have written to Angela Gainer, Dana Angela Rayner.

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Andrew Maliphant: Oh dear! Oh dear! You could take the man out the seventies anyway. About I will survive. Yes, about planning policy. I've spoken. It ripped to Ed Miliband about energy and net 0. I have been on the government's local net. 0 Forum. I have no idea whether that's going to continue

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Andrew Maliphant: and we'll see how that goes. I've spoken to. I actually had a meeting with a couple of Defra officers this morning, which hopefully will give us some more links into the opposite side. But I wrote to these guys and I've written to Rachel Reeves as well. I've no idea whether I'll ever get any response from them. But at least we've got them on the on record. We said this, you send that and so forth.

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Andrew Maliphant: So I think that is another example of what you know, the the vertical approach we do need to link up to the Government where we can and how we do it.

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Andrew Maliphant: Amanda, you got your hand up.

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Amanda Davis: Thank you. Last. Was it last weekend? Possibly the weekend before the weekend before last Division Association? The Parish and Town Council had their agm, and they had the the chief officer from Nalk speaking, and we passed several motions which called on now to do things to lobby the government.

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Amanda Davis: It's around new homes, on large new developments around issues of estate management and watching the biodiversity net gain requirement as well doesn't just get pushed on to those homeowners who are having to pay for a State management company, so who may have no control, etc. And it's a secondary legislation that's required from the Leasehold and Freehold Act that went through on what day? The last day of the last Government

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Amanda Davis: and that got passed. So it's now going to the policy committee of Nalc to look again at that and strengthen their own policy that they passed. So then it would be the policy of Nalc. So it would be influencing all parish and town councils on guardians. So there's that one.

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Amanda Davis: It's also updates it in relation to the competition and market solidarity, finding which shows that the market is a massive, unequal marketplace, and the other needs are the largest strengthening and first-tier tribunals and other ways of.

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Amanda Davis: etc. But my point in raising that here is not about one of democracy and of regulation. It's more about how we manage our largest states and public open spaces. We haven't got direct control as councils, and then thinking about that, but thinking about flooding and attenuation policy.

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Amanda Davis: the Water Act, that you may or may not know in Wales that part of the Water Act was made live, that it said that no public call of attenuation funds, but the whole of the 3rd Citizen could not be in private ownership.

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Amanda Davis: So therefore, public ownership retains control and the responsibility for maintaining all of this flood protection if you like. But also it's the biodiversity. It's everything that goes around that space that looks after our ponds and our flood management and citizens. And in England that was never brought into force.

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Amanda Davis: So, although it's there in the act, it has not yet become the law in England, and if it was the case, and there are a whole load of state management companies

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Amanda Davis: that we no longer have those ponds in their control. And we're finding now that as the last 10 years we've had more and more of these ponds that were built, finding 10 years ago are functioning 5, 10 years ago are now failing to be maintained, are not functioning, and are causing, not flooding on the estate, but flooding in the rest of our Paritarian Council land

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Amanda Davis: and the homes, and we have 0 control over it that I've been banging on about the years and you know, loans surprise.

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Amanda Davis: We've actually got issues and we can't control it. So we passed that motion. It's very hotly contested, but it was passed on a 8 to 6 votes

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Amanda Davis: and corporate, which is really amazing, but it is now for now to look at, and whether its policy committee chooses or not, but to lobby the new government, to have the Water Act enacted in England to bring more control under public ownership. It's not so much about public ownership. It's about having more control, so that these parts are currently in private ownership

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Amanda Davis: cannot be left neglected and then end up either with notifiable. We've had plumbers, and instead of, you know, plants growing in the pond that then goes down through the drainage system and then contaminates a lot of areas that we don't have for the fun like Japanese can't weed. And this sort of thing

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Amanda Davis: and we've got no control over the source, because there's no way of reinforcing anything when you've got

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Amanda Davis: so I don't know whether that area, which is an area where I've been working on with an Rmp. With all sorts of other people. But that whole thing about how do we look at?

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Amanda Davis: It is an environment, it's diversity, it's planning law. It is everything that affects us.

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Amanda Davis: So I don't know whether that's something of interest as well, but certainly an update for us all.

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Andrew Maliphant: What I've what I've drafted is something about estate management brackets, public control. So I think that covers the point you're making as far as nalk is concerned, I imagine I'm not on the inside of nalk. I imagine that there will be re forging their campaigning and lobbying links with the new government as we speak. I know they have a spokeswoman in the House of Lords who has already been saying some

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Andrew Maliphant: important things. They do have on on the website a sort of manifesto link of the policies that they are seeking to

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Andrew Maliphant: promote and so we can be looking at those slcc on the other hasn't been very much of a policy organization before. It's been very much role

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Andrew Maliphant: there is that, but particularly perhaps through the climate side. There is some

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Andrew Maliphant: ways in which associates can add a bit of weight to the wheel. The there's going to be a new director of policy and External Services chap called Michael King, who's currently a town clerk at Whitby.

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Andrew Maliphant: in the in Yorkshire, and he's going to be in post at Soc. At the end of August. Maybe he'll be my boss. I have spoken to him so that there will be, and that person, I imagine, will also get a seat, because that was the past practice on the Nell Policy Committee. So there are ways.

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Andrew Maliphant: There are ways, and there are means. There are ways through with this. But I think what we've been talking about today generally is, what is the agenda? What are the issues, what are the approaches, the practical approaches to making a difference, partly in terms of planning, partly in terms of policy, but also in terms of action on the ground.

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Andrew Maliphant: And I think, actually, from from my perspective, this has been an enormously helpful and supportive session, because it's actually boosted all the things that we've been talking about doing, wanting to doing in the process of doing, and very much appears that they are still very valid.

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Andrew Maliphant: So that's great to have

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Andrew Maliphant: David, I will keep in. Get in touch through at some super point. About some of some of this stuff. And I think the only thing I know about campaigning planning was from the books of Jack Masters. But that's going back a bit. Yes, you know, I told him.

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Andrew Maliphant: in the regimental Museum of Gloucestershire. The which is sort of the

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Andrew Maliphant: sort of sort of partly the Rifles Magazine. They've got a button from one of John Narciss uniforms. No, it's a belt buckle, it's a belt buckle. So this is. This is you know, this was a a man of some stature and renown, and it's sufficiently well known that they probably put his belt buckle on display in in zoom. Okay, take nothing.

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tristram cary: I'm good. Yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: Thanks so much for saying thanks, everybody, for all that links we've got a list, then of what in the next items that are coming up. I will circulate this around our collective list. There's quite a lot of us is over 400 of us.

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Andrew Maliphant: Some of them may be finding difficulty getting into this. So this may may not be even getting some of the regular information, because, we're doing it through email rather than Mailchimp at the moment. And some stuff may be ending up in

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Andrew Maliphant: in in various spam folders. So our plan is to get this more onto the thing about Mailchimp. Some of these other naming software is that it reduces the risk of that. Things being shoveled into spam.

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Andrew Maliphant: So we'll see how we doing that? Because, I mean, with 400 more people on the circulation list, we think we get more than you know, we if we we rarely get more than 30 people attending. I think so

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Andrew Maliphant: any more for any more. Thanks, Stuart, any more from you, David.

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David Morgan-Jones: Thank you.

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Andrew Maliphant: Amanda any more today.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, just a big thank you. And well done. And like, you know, loads of positives, because to keep anything new, fresh and shiny going for 30 weeks, and with loads of enthusiasm growing for the future. You know big congratulations to everybody, big pats on the back and loads of please keep it going.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay? Well, Pat Graham on the back when he returns. Yeah, possibly to pump the seawater out of his lungs. Jackie, hey? Any more from you.

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Jacky Lawrence: No, no, just thank you.

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Stuart Withington: Okay, thanks. A lot.

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Andrew Maliphant: Holiday, and we'll hear from Peter Burt in Badminton City Trust next week.
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tristram cary: Hello! Andrew.

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Andrew Maliphant: Christian. Thanks. Your email. Very good jacky appeared and then disappeared again. So I expect she'll be back.

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tristram cary: Just just us. That's extraordinary.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well.

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tristram cary: Let's see.

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Andrew Maliphant: This is the difference between here she comes. The difference between having a clear topic and a general discussion.

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tristram cary: Yes. Yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: No idea how many of us they would be.

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Andrew Maliphant: Hi! Jackie!

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Andrew Maliphant: Amanda Davis doesn't turn up, but we'll see

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Jacky Lawrence: Oh, she's.

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Andrew Maliphant: No, she's got some ideas for for the program. So yeah, she mentioned it last time.

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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you, David. Good to see you here what I'll do. I'll put up the list so we could start thinking about it.

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Andrew Maliphant: We've got what we.

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tristram cary: There's a bar.

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Andrew Maliphant: And my work. We've done quite a lot.

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tristram cary: Yeah, it's totally good, isn't.

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Jacky Lawrence: Don't you think there'll come a time when we have to revisit ones that have already been done, cause we'll get new people on.

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Andrew Maliphant: Well, we're already having. We've got carbon literacy coming again on the 14th from the Carbon Literacy project. Yes, if there's any that we think, oh, go away

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Andrew Maliphant: any that we think need particularly refreshing. Let's let's let's think about that. Certainly. Yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: Chris?

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Andrew Maliphant: Sorry, Graham, who who manages these zoom sessions? He! He's been thwarted from being spending more time with us this month through adverse winds on his ending trip, and so he hasn't. He was only with us a couple of days for it to go back to Spain, so he hasn't looked again at the issue that we have with signing in with it, with the zoom.

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Andrew Maliphant: I've had a look at it myself.

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Andrew Maliphant: This is about advanced registration. I haven't been able to pick it out. We will have to look at that more closely. We may have to ring Zoom to work out what it is. I'm wondering. I'm wondering out loud whether in terms of the advanced registration that there's a there's a sort of file folder for it within zoom, and we've filled up the you know the storage space.

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Andrew Maliphant: That's only a single guess on my part.

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Andrew Maliphant: But yeah, it's we need to get back to how easy it was to join in before.

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David Morgan-Jones: With more detail information if you wanted it. So you know, lighting on sports fields is not going to be an issue for us, but it may well be for a number of others. So the ability to go, you know, lighting. Okay? And then go into the lighting checklist and all those sort of issues and problems associated with, you know that. And it's impact. I mean, I hadn't even thought about, you know, dark skies. But you're absolutely right. And then it's impact on.

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Jacky Lawrence: So I've got something to add to your allotment thing. So on on Monday our Parish Council are discussing whether to purchase the weed, suppressing membrane to create another 3 allotments in the land that they're already using. That's been like lots of left fallow for ages. So it was just just that.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay, yeah, thank you. Yes, lovely job. That's on the list. Amanda.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, I'm on our Parish Environment Committee, which is responsible for allotments. And we've been doing quite a lot to see if we can review our allotments, policies so that we can run them in a more

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Amanda Davis: you must do this. You shouldn't do that and so we've had these for the 1st time.

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Amanda Davis: So we've got beekeeping policy on the allotments.

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Amanda Davis: and I don't say it's perfect, it's further or perfect. I was arguing, or there is amendments to it, but I think it's 1 of those things that little steps, you know. So we went with the lowest common denominator, in my opinion, which says things like, you know, if you've got an angry heart, you've got to take everything away. No, you can't have a maximum. You've got to have a what does it say? Something like you've got to have a maximum of 2 minds.

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Amanda Davis: but when you get an angry hive you've got to have a 3rd or a 4th to separate, or to allow the 2 queens that are falling out to move a bit. You know it's kind of it's not perfect, but it's a start. And we used to say, No, these no, that's all. People might get so long because we didn't know what we were talking about, because we're volunteers. We're not gatekeepers, and we found beekeepers in our style community. So I think it's

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Amanda Davis: it's something about I think 2 things. One is beekeeping allotments, which is a subject in itself.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, yes, I'll get under it. So it's a bit of a.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, I mean, that's particularly relevant to some of the things we've been saying about biodiversity net gain, because all of a sudden talent Parish councils have to respond to these things within planning applications. And it really helps. If you've got some local people that can can step in there.

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Amanda Davis: And he also plays to. Was it David Tristram or David who said about you know the allotment of society, for example, Uniform Association. It's kind of knowing who the experts are out there and working alongside them. But I think it's still got to be us running this show, because it's from a parish townhouse perspective, isn't it? We are the experts on that.

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tristram cary: But they do, but they do have a lot of expertise on allotments, and they lecture all around the country on how to do it, and they they would have somebody. I'm ashore who'd know about bees and be able to advise.

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Amanda Davis: Who are the experts as well. So my point is, there are experts out there.

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Amanda Davis: but you still got to have a lead, and I think we've got to retain the lead on this because our focus is parish and town councils. So it's like any matrix we're deciding which route to go down, but we've got to bump into lots of experts along the way.

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tristram cary: Amanda. I don't know if it's just me, but I find you very difficult to hear you. You've turned into a dalek.

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Jacky Lawrence: Lots of echo. Yes.

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Amanda Davis: Right? Okay, you're not the 1st person for that.

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Andrew Maliphant: I'm glad I haven't said that. Yeah.

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Jacky Lawrence: Was neat.

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Jacky Lawrence: For for community experts. Our Parish Council got this working group working party. They're called.

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Jacky Lawrence: for people that wanted to get involved in the climate and environment working party. So we chaired by a parish councillor. There is the project clerk from the Parish Council. There is an X

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Jacky Lawrence: And so everybody that applied to join this needed to show that they'd got some sort of expertise in a particular area.

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Jacky Lawrence: So one person sort of like works in transport, but's got particular interest in community orchards and cycling and active travel. I've got a particular interest in energy. And the other person is an an architect. So is interested in buildings and thermal imaging and that sort of thing.

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Jacky Lawrence: So we've got a working party that helps and supports the Parish Council in doing climate and environment, things.

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Andrew Maliphant: Right. Thank you, David.

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David Morgan-Jones: It's 1 between about between.

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Amanda Davis: Like cope.

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David Morgan-Jones: I've have. I got an echo as well.

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David Morgan-Jones: Then the the one that unfortunately I missed, which was to do with I think, was last week's which I really wanted to to to listen, but couldn't make

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Andrew Maliphant: Sure. No making links to other users is very much part of our plan as well. We're not trying to rewrite everything. No.

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David Morgan-Jones: Okay. Sorry. This is actually doing a bit of a helicopter view. So and there's a few slides I need to just bring in to sort of provide a logic to, to the, to the thoughts we're having, and why? I think that what we're doing is so vitally important.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, I did the unmute. Yeah. 1st of all, can I check? Are you talking about it from the District Council perspective?

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Amanda Davis: I wasn't challenging you. I just wanted to understand what you were showing us. And then can you tell me whether you're within a possible national landscape or not.

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David Morgan-Jones: updating, as we understand how to do things better, and we learn how to nuance it, because you know a town, and might be very different to a rural parish.

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tristram cary: And I. I just wanted to develop that theme a bit. Because I another thing that strikes me about the Wednesday sessions we've had is that there? There they are of 2 very different sorts. There is. There are some things like community energy generation which David was talking about.

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tristram cary: Alex Templeton Csco. Company, you know. That's a sort of very, very major thing that will make a massive contribution if we can start to get community energy projects that are funded by a 3rd party.

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tristram cary: and everybody in the parish can join in. Which is what Alex is Amy at, you know that's that's a huge bit. And then there are other presentations we've had which are

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tristram cary: very much, very much. They're very different. They're more personal. 20 is plenty is a sort of good example. It's it's a great thing, but it's not. It's that's not itself a sort of top level initiative that that every council is going to have to tackle. And what I would like to suggest is that we we, if we identify the

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tristram cary: key things that we need to concentrate, on, which, which is, are things like home insulation.

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tristram cary: community energy. So you've insulated the houses. You then got to produce clean energy, and then woodland planning and house construction. And by the way home construction is another thing. We're going to have to add, David, I think, to these lists, because I think every council is going to have increased housing, and we've got to make that housing as green as we can and have standard building standards that make sure that what we're doing is not going to contribute further to the problem.

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tristram cary: And what I'd like to suggest is that if we could identify these top level strands and they're probably 10 of them at the very top level. We we should then engage the the public sector body responsible for that. So for for you know, for clean it for well, for domestic

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tristram cary: insulation is, I don't know who it is, actually, but for green energy, you know, this is the Department of Energy, and I think we should we should use the power we've got with the great collaboration and our links to so many parishes and districts to put together a sort of plan to say, we want to develop

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tristram cary: a methodology for this this process.

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tristram cary: and we want your support and probably your financial support, because all the government departments have budgets to help with these things, and I think we should be if we're very directed. And we say we've got we've got the great collaboration we've got the

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tristram cary: we can. We can produce, you know, parish volunteers or groups of volunteers to trial stuff. We've got a requirement which is underwritten by nalk, and the the society of local council clerks. So we're sort of taking a very central position in something which at the moment is very amorphous. And there's a just a massive waste of energy going on, a waste of money going on with everybody, trying to reinvent the wheel.

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David Morgan-Jones: Oh, absolutely!

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tristram cary: I think we should. We should really take this great collaboration to do that, and to have a much more structured way. To say, this is the problem we're trying to solve. We want your support Defra, or whoever it is, department of Energy. And here's what we want to do and give us money.

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David Morgan-Jones: I think the other thing.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yep.

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David Morgan-Jones: So, for example, if we wanted to, as a parish, look at.

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David Morgan-Jones: Sorry, not as a parish as a district.

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David Morgan-Jones: What we need is is a group of people who can come together

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David Morgan-Jones: the different forms of generation, so that might be solar. It might be wind. If you've got that, it might be hydro, it might be microheat and power using waste

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David Morgan-Jones: And then how do you store that energy? So community storage systems? So that when we're like today or particularly yesterday, we were generating huge amounts of solar energy, but most of it would have been wasted into that. Well would not waste it, but have dissipated into the grid and so it's that sort of thing that when we starting to think about that, and then align.

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David Morgan-Jones: Budgets!

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David Morgan-Jones: Because we're talking 5, 10 year planning cycles here for this type of activity. We have the Smes that will help

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David Morgan-Jones: we are getting the best of the best. And again, as as Tristan alluded to earlier, we're not constantly reinventing wheels in our own little biospheres. Which is what we have a tendency to do.

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David Morgan-Jones: Yeah. Anyway, I'll close my my thing down.

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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you.

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David Morgan-Jones: Very much over there.

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Andrew Maliphant: If you could send over that presentation. If you're able to do that, David, that would be brilliant to capture some of those slides that would be fantastic.

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David Morgan-Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No. Problem.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yes, and you're you're talking yourself into some regular regular working with this, I'm afraid. So there you go. We will. Yeah, we will be in touch. Amanda. I I'm so pleased we're having this session because we've had so many great ideas, so much feedback already. Amanda.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, thank you. David, are you? Are you authoring so that way you can take construct to the criticism.

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David Morgan-Jones: Course. Yeah. No.

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Amanda Davis: Called me to account for it. In a sense.

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David Morgan-Jones: No! No! This.

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Amanda Davis: Just, this is.

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David Morgan-Jones: This is very.

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Amanda Davis: So the subject, not of you and your work. But I really do want to say that. I couldn't help but feel that with the different hats I wear. I come to this with the parishioner Council hat

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Amanda Davis: as a councillor and as a clock. I I often get invited to the District Council or bigger strategic issues. I'm a politically economist and sort of national infrastructure project, professional, but I often feel gossip as a parishion town Council

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Amanda Davis: person with that hassle, but others are telling me what to do, how to do it or taking over.

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Amanda Davis: and I very much feel that what great collaborations done for me is to empower me, and a passion to have council level, to say to the others, actually.

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Amanda Davis: for once I feel in control, I feel empowered. I feel invited, and we're in drancy. Thank you very much, and we've done a whole lot of work to do. I think what your

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Amanda Davis: your slide shows us is a nice, neat summary of exactly what you said about. Let's not

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Amanda Davis: Let's not duplicate the the intellectual efforts, and maybe even go as far as we invest in a lot of cool things. That's really an efficient way of using public resources.

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Amanda Davis: And I fully agree that it's always nice to understand a strategic tent, if you like, or jungle order that we're operating in our parish and town council level. But I guess I just wanted to bring the conversation back a little to the you know. What have we got a lot of? We've got playgrounds. We've got cemeteries. We've got allotments. We've sometimes got buildings.

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Amanda Davis: who've got their own houses and etc. And I'm just kind of bringing it down from that overarching strategic level that I normally deal with in my professional world to the parish in Town Council, very local level, that a lot of people run away when they're here.

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Amanda Davis: those big strategic issues, because it's just too big. And we can't make a difference. And I think what great collaboration does is show us the little things so that we can make a big, big difference with. Because I think you make the point about how you beat the elephant. Yeah. And we quickly turn into the jungle. So my point about the elephant to use that analogy is that

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Amanda Davis: I think some people in our parish attacks at the sphere

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Amanda Davis: we wanted to do a lot of things. But there was nobody to do it, and we ran out of 2 min, and we just never got around to the next meeting, so it was easy to just expand it because we weren't quite ready. And I think that's taking on too much.

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Amanda Davis: And what we really need to do is focus in on the one or 2 little steps and then start to build a movement at grass roots level among those that don't even know where to start, and.

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David Morgan-Jones: Amanda, can I just come back?

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Amanda Davis: Oh, she'll be glad.

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David Morgan-Jones: No, no, no, no, just give a bit of background. Tristan and I have been joining. We're both parish counselors. So we? We look at

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David Morgan-Jones: We both went to Hart District Council

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David Morgan-Jones: story engage in this program, and they, too, are fully aware

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David Morgan-Jones: So, but to be honest with you, it would just became it was a model

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David Morgan-Jones: they hadn't. There was no structural function and a lot. And what's happened now is that actually, it'll probably be just Tristan I turning up

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David Morgan-Jones: because everybody's got utterly bored and they don't, and rather like you said they don't know where to start.

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David Morgan-Jones: So what we're trying to do is

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David Morgan-Jones: and then the next workshop will be with the parish councillors

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David Morgan-Jones: to work out what it is we can do and what we want to do, what we well, what we can do. And how do we engage in this at a at a parish level?

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David Morgan-Jones: So there's a lot of work to be done to unpack this down to the next level.

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David Morgan-Jones: And it's very much a collaborative process, because there is just no way that the District Council can. Actually, you know, we've got

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David Morgan-Jones: one and a half people working on a program that an industry would take probably several 100

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David Morgan-Jones: no, this is just the beginning of a journey which we need to shape and develop

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David Morgan-Jones: so absolutely. Get where you're coming from.

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tristram cary: Sorry. Can I also just jump in? I'm so sorry, Stuart and Jackie, but I think I think it's I was very frustrated as a parish council that we weren't getting support from the District Council, for instance. They've got an ecology officer, and they're building a trees plan, but they wouldn't. They wouldn't tell us, I said, why aren't we working together?

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tristram cary: And I think with the district is also becoming aware that if it wants to engage with communities. It needs to work through the parishes. So I think we're getting a much better understanding of how to stop that being obstructive and make it collaborative.

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Amanda Davis: I think I'm probably coming from a political geography where, because of the funding was restricted at districts and charity levels in terms of always reaching the cap and beyond

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Amanda Davis: with the council tax, and it was always parish. Now, councils, you're gonna do more. You're gonna do it this way. You're gonna fund it, you know. So I think that's the context of me expressing what I was expressing.

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Amanda Davis: And may I also just get permission, please, to list a whole series of things going right back to ground level for now to list a series of suggestions for the topics or the next answer session. Can I just pop them into the chat in case I need to leave before the end.

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Andrew Maliphant: Put them in the chat, please, Amanda, thank you very much.

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Amanda Davis: As opposed to project manager, program, manager, and all that stuff they did. I thoroughly approval for the way that it's set out, and I love that, but that's not what you see.

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David Morgan-Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Amanda Davis: I really appreciate what you've done there. Thank you very much.

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Andrew Maliphant: In our, in our regional pilot. We are looking at ways of not just the horizontal, like all horizontal links with connect parishes and communities, but also vertical up through the districts and counties as well. And we have got a team working on that. And certainly, David will get back to hopefully to share more thoughts on that.

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Stuart Withington: Hi, thanks. Really sorry I missed the talk bit of a medical emergency with mother-in-law.

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Andrew Maliphant: It. It wasn't. It wasn't a talk.

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Stuart Withington: This.

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Andrew Maliphant: Miss nothing.

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Stuart Withington: What? What whatever? I I think part of the problem that I'm experiencing is that there is no

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Stuart Withington: and I I realize that a lot of them don't require any funding

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Stuart Withington: which is actually going to make a difference to Co. 2.

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Stuart Withington: There's no funding for therefore the council, my council think well, we? We can't get involved.

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Stuart Withington: But just looking at the most recent figures I've got.

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Stuart Withington: surely. And I think that the new government has been hinting about this with

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Stuart Withington: and I think most.

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Stuart Withington: Local authority pensions are governed by a local board which includes councillors from the County Council.

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Stuart Withington: many suits in the city, and this, that and the other. And I, I think we need to so try and wrestle back control of at least part of this to fund our ambitions.

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Andrew Maliphant: Right, I think what we've said all along is. And this is another great example of it. Stuart, is that as we're developing some of this practical stuff on the ground issues for campaigning will arise. This is one of them, isn't it? And so then it becomes a question of how that is pursued. So yeah.

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Stuart Withington: Yeah, and and green investments should ultimately make a a decent return.

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Andrew Maliphant: I'm speaking to people at Middlesex University on this issues of green finance. They've been working on it as well, and Alex Templeton, who came to talk

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Andrew Maliphant: on the the accounts, has has also got some some eyes in the fire there. So yeah, this, this whole issue of funding and better quality funding. Very much. So, yeah, thank you. Jacky.

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Andrew Maliphant: this is great. By the way.

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Jacky Lawrence: Following on from some of the things that David said made me think.

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Jacky Lawrence: Now you've met Bob Sherman. So it would just make me think if you're having like specialist talks, I don't think Bob could condense this into 15 min.

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Jacky Lawrence: But they started off with harbor energy initiative as a community group

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Jacky Lawrence: moved into an electric vehicle. Car Share Club moved into harbour e wheels and then had then. Now the the project they're working on at the moment is harbor future energy, and it will be a 7 kilowatt, vertical access, wind, turbine, 13 kilowatt, solar pv. Panel, a hundred 60 kilowatt battery, 22 charge points for people in the village that don't have off street parking for themselves.

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Jacky Lawrence: to raise money for harbour e wheels, which is electric vehicles taking people who can't drive anymore to medical appointments, etc. So it's transport. It's energy. It's community engagement. They started off as a community group, and they had to work to get the Parish Council to support them.

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Jacky Lawrence: and once they've got that support eventually they went for a royal rf, rural community energy funding stage one they got that which proved that it was a viable project. Then they got our Sef fund in Stage 2, which gave them the business plan, which then enabled the County Council to apply for a levy levy funding, and they've got nearly a million pounds to deliver this project now from the Government.

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Jacky Lawrence: So I just thought that, you know there's so many things he could talk about. Obviously I haven't asked him if he'd be willing.

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Andrew Maliphant: Good luck!

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Jacky Lawrence: But it's a suggestion.

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Andrew Maliphant: Sure I put harbor in brackets against the idea of the community group discussion, because what you've described sounds to me like something that started somewhere that this kept itself going. That's built, smoothed on, that's fine funding, and so forth.

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Jacky Lawrence: Community interest company now rather than just an ordinary community group.

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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah. So they've gone. They've been through quite a long journey, quite a a gamut of quite a number of different skills, initiatives and working together. Brilliant. Yes. So, okay, yeah. I I think I've I'm on the regular mailing list from from. I'll be on the I'll have it. Have a chat.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay? Thanks again. Amanda for the items in the chat, which I'll we'll

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Andrew Maliphant: go on

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Andrew Maliphant: bookable bus service. Yep,

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Andrew Maliphant: And I cut

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Andrew Maliphant: the creation ongoing activity. Yes, I think what we've got at the moment. David, and everybody with great collaborations. We've got 3 working groups we've got 4 for include fundraising. One is about the technical side and the websites and development, and the It side.

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Andrew Maliphant: one is about the content, the guidance, putting things into each terms. And the 3rd one is about publicity and communication. And at the moment it seems in in terms of this whole agenda. The way you tell them is top of the list in terms of how we get information out

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Andrew Maliphant: and how we engage people. So that is another important area to take care of. We're applying in our lottery bid to cover all of these bases once that bid which has been getting. I've got a lot of feedback on that. That's my job this afternoon to rewrite it. Then we'll be looking again at other sources of funding for all the different elements. Trish you put your hand up.

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tristram cary: Yeah, can I? Just I've I think I'm repeating myself a bit. But in the content group I don't. I think it would be really good to identify

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tristram cary: in priority orders.

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tristram cary: in part over rather the areas where we do want a methodology and the guidance. And and we should maybe bid for funds for that specific thing rather than a general pot of money, which is what you're you're going for at the moment

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tristram cary: I think that would be really useful, and I just wanted to also say that in my list of things I added.

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tristram cary: building in timber.

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tristram cary: and there is, I don't know if you know. But there's a defra

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tristram cary: guidance

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tristram cary: saying that the government wants to increase the use of timber in construction because concrete is a massively carbon damaging thing to build in, and with new, with engineered wood. You can now make buildings that are tall and strong, and you can make timber as strong as steel and rock proof.

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tristram cary: and I don't think that's really understood. And as the housing target is going up to 370, 0 0 0 a year. If we could start to build in timber, it would sequester timber carbon rather, which is good. It would encourage woodland development to make working woods to develop panels.

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tristram cary: and I think it would be a very nice topic to to discuss, and that should be, you know, when when we come to David's plan, I think construction of new housing is going to be an important line with important climate implications. So I think we should have a way to encourage neighbourhood plans and and district and local plans to include the encouragement of timber construction.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay.

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Andrew Maliphant: what? What? What? I've

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Andrew Maliphant: I I thought I should, for the great collaboration we should write to the new government ministers to get some points in with them. But also to make sure you know. Fly the flag for the Town Parish Council sector, which is Amanda's pointing out, can sometimes get

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Andrew Maliphant: marginalized is perhaps too strong a word, but it feels like it sometimes.

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Andrew Maliphant: so I I have written to Angela Gainer, Dana Angela Rayner.

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Andrew Maliphant: Oh dear! Oh dear! You could take the man out the seventies anyway. About I will survive. Yes, about planning policy. I've spoken. It ripped to Ed Miliband about energy and net 0. I have been on the government's local net. 0 Forum. I have no idea whether that's going to continue

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Andrew Maliphant: and we'll see how that goes. I've spoken to. I actually had a meeting with a couple of Defra officers this morning, which hopefully will give us some more links into the opposite side. But I wrote to these guys and I've written to Rachel Reeves as well. I've no idea whether I'll ever get any response from them. But at least we've got them on the on record. We said this, you send that and so forth.

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Andrew Maliphant: So I think that is another example of what you know, the the vertical approach we do need to link up to the Government where we can and how we do it.

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Andrew Maliphant: Amanda, you got your hand up.

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Amanda Davis: Thank you. Last. Was it last weekend? Possibly the weekend before the weekend before last Division Association? The Parish and Town Council had their agm, and they had the the chief officer from Nalk speaking, and we passed several motions which called on now to do things to lobby the government.

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Amanda Davis: It's around new homes, on large new developments around issues of estate management and watching the biodiversity net gain requirement as well doesn't just get pushed on to those homeowners who are having to pay for a State management company, so who may have no control, etc. And it's a secondary legislation that's required from the Leasehold and Freehold Act that went through on what day? The last day of the last Government

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Amanda Davis: and that got passed. So it's now going to the policy committee of Nalc to look again at that and strengthen their own policy that they passed. So then it would be the policy of Nalc. So it would be influencing all parish and town councils on guardians. So there's that one.

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Amanda Davis: It's also updates it in relation to the competition and market solidarity, finding which shows that the market is a massive, unequal marketplace, and the other needs are the largest strengthening and first-tier tribunals and other ways of.

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Amanda Davis: etc. But my point in raising that here is not about one of democracy and of regulation. It's more about how we manage our largest states and public open spaces. We haven't got direct control as councils, and then thinking about that, but thinking about flooding and attenuation policy.

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Amanda Davis: the Water Act, that you may or may not know in Wales that part of the Water Act was made live, that it said that no public call of attenuation funds, but the whole of the 3rd Citizen could not be in private ownership.

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Amanda Davis: So therefore, public ownership retains control and the responsibility for maintaining all of this flood protection if you like. But also it's the biodiversity. It's everything that goes around that space that looks after our ponds and our flood management and citizens. And in England that was never brought into force.

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Amanda Davis: So, although it's there in the act, it has not yet become the law in England, and if it was the case, and there are a whole load of state management companies

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Amanda Davis: that we no longer have those ponds in their control. And we're finding now that as the last 10 years we've had more and more of these ponds that were built, finding 10 years ago are functioning 5, 10 years ago are now failing to be maintained, are not functioning, and are causing, not flooding on the estate, but flooding in the rest of our Paritarian Council land

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Amanda Davis: and the homes, and we have 0 control over it that I've been banging on about the years and you know, loans surprise.

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Amanda Davis: We've actually got issues and we can't control it. So we passed that motion. It's very hotly contested, but it was passed on a 8 to 6 votes

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Amanda Davis: and corporate, which is really amazing, but it is now for now to look at, and whether its policy committee chooses or not, but to lobby the new government, to have the Water Act enacted in England to bring more control under public ownership. It's not so much about public ownership. It's about having more control, so that these parts are currently in private ownership

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Amanda Davis: cannot be left neglected and then end up either with notifiable. We've had plumbers, and instead of, you know, plants growing in the pond that then goes down through the drainage system and then contaminates a lot of areas that we don't have for the fun like Japanese can't weed. And this sort of thing

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Amanda Davis: and we've got no control over the source, because there's no way of reinforcing anything when you've got

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Amanda Davis: so I don't know whether that area, which is an area where I've been working on with an Rmp. With all sorts of other people. But that whole thing about how do we look at?

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Amanda Davis: It is an environment, it's diversity, it's planning law. It is everything that affects us.

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Amanda Davis: So I don't know whether that's something of interest as well, but certainly an update for us all.

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Andrew Maliphant: What I've what I've drafted is something about estate management brackets, public control. So I think that covers the point you're making as far as nalk is concerned, I imagine I'm not on the inside of nalk. I imagine that there will be re forging their campaigning and lobbying links with the new government as we speak. I know they have a spokeswoman in the House of Lords who has already been saying some

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Andrew Maliphant: important things. They do have on on the website a sort of manifesto link of the policies that they are seeking to

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Andrew Maliphant: promote and so we can be looking at those slcc on the other hasn't been very much of a policy organization before. It's been very much role

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Andrew Maliphant: there is that, but particularly perhaps through the climate side. There is some

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Andrew Maliphant: ways in which associates can add a bit of weight to the wheel. The there's going to be a new director of policy and External Services chap called Michael King, who's currently a town clerk at Whitby.

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Andrew Maliphant: in the in Yorkshire, and he's going to be in post at Soc. At the end of August. Maybe he'll be my boss. I have spoken to him so that there will be, and that person, I imagine, will also get a seat, because that was the past practice on the Nell Policy Committee. So there are ways.

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Andrew Maliphant: There are ways, and there are means. There are ways through with this. But I think what we've been talking about today generally is, what is the agenda? What are the issues, what are the approaches, the practical approaches to making a difference, partly in terms of planning, partly in terms of policy, but also in terms of action on the ground.

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Andrew Maliphant: And I think, actually, from from my perspective, this has been an enormously helpful and supportive session, because it's actually boosted all the things that we've been talking about doing, wanting to doing in the process of doing, and very much appears that they are still very valid.

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Andrew Maliphant: So that's great to have

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Andrew Maliphant: David, I will keep in. Get in touch through at some super point. About some of some of this stuff. And I think the only thing I know about campaigning planning was from the books of Jack Masters. But that's going back a bit. Yes, you know, I told him.

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Andrew Maliphant: in the regimental Museum of Gloucestershire. The which is sort of the

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Andrew Maliphant: sort of sort of partly the Rifles Magazine. They've got a button from one of John Narciss uniforms. No, it's a belt buckle, it's a belt buckle. So this is. This is you know, this was a a man of some stature and renown, and it's sufficiently well known that they probably put his belt buckle on display in in zoom. Okay, take nothing.

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tristram cary: I'm good. Yeah.

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Andrew Maliphant: Thanks so much for saying thanks, everybody, for all that links we've got a list, then of what in the next items that are coming up. I will circulate this around our collective list. There's quite a lot of us is over 400 of us.

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Andrew Maliphant: Some of them may be finding difficulty getting into this. So this may may not be even getting some of the regular information, because, we're doing it through email rather than Mailchimp at the moment. And some stuff may be ending up in

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Andrew Maliphant: in in various spam folders. So our plan is to get this more onto the thing about Mailchimp. Some of these other naming software is that it reduces the risk of that. Things being shoveled into spam.

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Andrew Maliphant: So we'll see how we doing that? Because, I mean, with 400 more people on the circulation list, we think we get more than you know, we if we we rarely get more than 30 people attending. I think so

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Andrew Maliphant: any more for any more. Thanks, Stuart, any more from you, David.

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David Morgan-Jones: Thank you.

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Andrew Maliphant: Amanda any more today.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, just a big thank you. And well done. And like, you know, loads of positives, because to keep anything new, fresh and shiny going for 30 weeks, and with loads of enthusiasm growing for the future. You know big congratulations to everybody, big pats on the back and loads of please keep it going.

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Andrew Maliphant: Okay? Well, Pat Graham on the back when he returns. Yeah, possibly to pump the seawater out of his lungs. Jackie, hey? Any more from you.

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Jacky Lawrence: No, no, just thank you.

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Stuart Withington: Okay, thanks. A lot.

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Andrew Maliphant: Holiday, and we'll hear from Peter Burt in Badminton City Trust next week.