Banter 30: Programme Review, 31Jul24, Andrew Maliphant
Chat:
00:13:49 David Morgan-Jones: I also had significant problems logging in
00:46:24 Amanda Davis: so basically a gantt chart
00:47:14 Amanda Davis: Nature recovery
01:07:31 Amanda Davis: Playgrounds: Wetpour? Weed management? Natural grass? wild areas? tyres for play? siting next to roads (environmental perspective) Choice of materials for play equipment... from a circular economy (how were these materials sourced, manufactured, transported, energy, and then disposal) etc etc
01:08:14 Amanda Davis: Trees aren't allowed on our allotments, as future tenants may not want to inherit an orchard plot
01:08:34 Amanda Davis: Car clubs, etc
01:09:11 Amanda Davis: Our bookable bus service in Gloucestershire .. the Robin. NOT a community transport
01:09:39 Amanda Davis: Swift and other bricks in all our new homes
01:10:05 Amanda Davis: Dark skies policies
01:10:29 Amanda Davis: All these issues I have contacts for or local experience of
01:11:59 Jacky Lawrence: things we're thinking of here - circular economy in relation to PCs, Rubbish Friends litter picking, repair cafes, overcoming apathy, turning footpaths into bridle paths so they can become cycle paths to nearest town, pre-fabricated buildings, community orchard, anti-idling campaign outside school gates, off-site construction,
01:12:13 Amanda Davis: Moreton in Marsh prefab off site and delivered to site, these homes were neutral homes and social rent too I think.... Cotswold District Council
Meeting Summary for Great Collaboration Banter session 31Jul24
Jul 31, 2024 11:46 AM London ID: 834 5460 8536Quick recap
The team discussed team attendance, the creation of a biosphere reserve, and the importance of sustainable lighting for sports associations. They also explored collaborations with the Allotment Society and the potential of local authority pension funds for green projects. Lastly, they discussed the need for a targeted approach to reducing CO2 emissions, the potential of vertical connections up through the districts and counties, and the importance of engaging with new government ministers.
Next steps
Andrew to circulate the list of upcoming topics to the Great Collaborations collective.
David to send his presentation slides to Andrew for sharing with the group.
Andrew to rewrite the lottery bid for Great Collaborations funding.
Content group to identify priority areas for developing methodologies and guidance.
Andrew to follow up with Liz Shaler about presenting on retrofitting village halls.
Andrew to contact Bob Sherman about potentially presenting on Harbury's community energy initiatives.
Summary
Team Attendance and Biosphere Reserve Discussion
Andrew, tristram, and Jacky discussed team member attendance. Jacky joined and left the meeting, while Amanda Davis's attendance was anticipated for her ideas. They noted the need to revisit topics due to new members and a Zoom sign-in issue that Andrew suggested examining. Chris, their Zoom manager, was absent due to a sailing trip. Andrew mentioned his role in setting up meeting invitations. He discussed creating a biosphere reserve in the Forest of Dean, with upcoming events including talks by Ed Gemel and Mike Ackles, and the involvement of Chris Mcflyne. The team considered applying the biosphere reserve concept to other areas. Andrew and Jacky discussed revisiting topics like parish councils, flood risk, allotments, and village halls. Andrew shared a case study about retrofitting a village hall, interesting Jacky. Jacky proposed parish councils creating mini forests, prompting Amanda to suggest discussing the process of acquiring and managing woodlands.
Sustainable Lighting for Sports Associations
The team discussed the importance of sustainable lighting for sports associations and its impact on the environment and wildlife. Amanda shared her expertise on lighting and planning issues, while Jacky highlighted the successful switch to LED lights by the Local Sports Association. David proposed creating checklists and toolkits to assist Parish Councils in navigating sustainable lighting complexities. Andrew agreed, suggesting the use of a template for recording good practices and the conversion of this template into a wiki for easy access and interlinking of information. The team also discussed the potential for anyone to edit the pages, with the responsibility falling to a designated adult to ensure accuracy and remove any inappropriate content.
Allotment Collaboration and Carbon Reduction Strategy
tristram and Andrew proposed a collaboration with the Allotment Society to enhance and promote allotments, with plans to secure funding from various sources. Amanda shared that her Parish Environment Committee was revising their allotment policies to be more inclusive and environmentally friendly, including the introduction of beekeeping. The group agreed to pursue these leads and continue discussions with relevant parties. Additionally, the involvement of community experts in parish councils, particularly in relation to biodiversity net gain and climate and environment initiatives, was discussed. Lastly, David presented a strategy to reduce carbon emissions, with a focus on major areas like transport and domestic generation, and Amanda sought clarification on its district council perspective and whether it included a food and drink component.
Targeted Approach for Reducing CO2 Emissions
David and tristram discussed the need for a targeted approach to reducing CO2 emissions, with a focus on key contributors at the district and parish levels. David introduced the concept of Campaign Planning from the military to simplify project planning and emphasized the importance of collaboration across different sectors. They agreed on the potential benefits of having a set of plans that could be adapted to meet individual towns and parishes, and the possibility of converting these into task lists. Both highlighted the need for a more structured approach to community energy projects and other initiatives aimed at reducing carbon emissions, and the importance of leveraging existing collaboration and links to parishes and districts.
Project Direction and Collaboration Plans
David agreed to send over his presentation to Andrew, while Amanda expressed her appreciation for the structure and direction of the project. She suggested focusing on small, manageable steps to make a big difference at the local level, and proposed listing a series of potential topics for future discussions. David and tristram shared their experiences as parish councilors and emphasized the need for collaboration between the district and parish councils. The team also discussed the potential for vertical connections up through the districts and counties.
Green Investments and Community-Led Projects
Stuart proposed that local authority pension funds could be used to invest in green projects, with Andrew agreeing that such investments should ideally yield a decent return. Jacky introduced the successful renewable energy project of Harbory, a community group turned community interest company, as an example of how community-led efforts can thrive with the right support. Andrew discussed ongoing activities and the application for a lottery bid to cover costs, while tristram suggested identifying priority areas for methodology and guidance in the content group and the potential of using engineered wood for construction. Lastly, Andrew emphasized the importance of engaging with new government ministers to promote the interests of the Town Parish Council sector, which he felt had been marginalized.
Gloucestershire Association Lobbying for Government Support
Amanda discussed the motions passed by the Gloucestershire Association of Harris and Town Councils, which called for lobbying the government on issues related to new homes, estate management, and biodiversity net gain requirements. She highlighted the need for public ownership of ponds and flood management systems to ensure proper maintenance and prevent flooding. Andrew mentioned the new director of policy and external services at SLCC and the potential for SLCC to add weight to their campaigning and lobbying efforts. The conversation ended with plans to improve communication methods to reach the growing number of members and a report from Peterborough Environment and City Trust scheduled for the following week.
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tristram cary: Hello! Andrew.
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Andrew Maliphant: Christian. Thanks. Your email. Very good jacky appeared and then disappeared again. So I expect she'll be back.
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tristram cary: Just just us. That's extraordinary.
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Andrew Maliphant: Well.
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tristram cary: Let's see.
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Andrew Maliphant: This is the difference between here she comes. The difference between having a clear topic and a general discussion.
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tristram cary: Yes. Yeah.
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Andrew Maliphant: No idea how many of us they would be.
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Andrew Maliphant: Hi! Jackie!
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Jacky Lawrence: Hello!
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Andrew Maliphant: Amanda Davis doesn't turn up, but we'll see
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Jacky Lawrence: Oh, she's.
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Andrew Maliphant: No, she's got some ideas for for the program. So yeah, she mentioned it last time.
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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you, David. Good to see you here what I'll do. I'll put up the list so we could start thinking about it.
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Andrew Maliphant: We've got what we.
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tristram cary: There's a bar.
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Andrew Maliphant: And my work. We've done quite a lot.
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tristram cary: Yeah, it's totally good, isn't.
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Jacky Lawrence: Don't you think there'll come a time when we have to revisit ones that have already been done, cause we'll get new people on.
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Andrew Maliphant: Well, we're already having. We've got carbon literacy coming again on the 14th from the Carbon Literacy project. Yes, if there's any that we think, oh, go away
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Andrew Maliphant: any that we think need particularly refreshing. Let's let's let's think about that. Certainly. Yeah.
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Andrew Maliphant: yeah, David, understand about signing in what's
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Andrew Maliphant: Chris?
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Andrew Maliphant: Sorry, Graham, who who manages these zoom sessions? He! He's been thwarted from being spending more time with us this month through adverse winds on his ending trip, and so he hasn't. He was only with us a couple of days for it to go back to Spain, so he hasn't looked again at the issue that we have with signing in with it, with the zoom.
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Andrew Maliphant: I've had a look at it myself.
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Andrew Maliphant: This is about advanced registration. I haven't been able to pick it out. We will have to look at that more closely. We may have to ring Zoom to work out what it is. I'm wondering. I'm wondering out loud whether in terms of the advanced registration that there's a there's a sort of file folder for it within zoom, and we've filled up the you know the storage space.
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Andrew Maliphant: That's only a single guess on my part.
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Andrew Maliphant: But yeah, it's we need to get back to how easy it was to join in before.
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Jacky Lawrence: Got in
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Jacky Lawrence: through signing in for next week's again.
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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, that's right, yeah.
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Jacky Lawrence: And got straight in by doing that registered for the event.
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Jacky Lawrence: Once.
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Andrew Maliphant: Once we've yeah, once once the meeting is started it's easy to log straight in, and we found that out.
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Andrew Maliphant: but to say, unfortunately, Chris, I keep trying to say Chris Graham was only with us for a couple of days. before he had to go back again.
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Andrew Maliphant: as he was say, was helping to sail the sale. The ship out out to Spain came back to do some work, and then he had to fly back again to shale ship back again, so that's where he is.
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Andrew Maliphant: But he should be with us by the end of August. I'll be well.
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tristram cary: Is Joel's going to join us. Do you think.
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Andrew Maliphant: Pause.
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Andrew Maliphant: I don't know.
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Andrew Maliphant: I've been rather being a bit of a caretaker chairman of the sort of setting out the invitations every.
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David Morgan-Jones: I'm.
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Andrew Maliphant: people tend not to say whether they're coming or not. They just tend to turn up.
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Andrew Maliphant: Hopefully, also, what we'll what I'll do at the end of this session, however long it takes is
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Andrew Maliphant: I'll email what we've talked about and email, the you know, these notes I've got here around the whole team.
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Andrew Maliphant: I'll audience and we'll speak. Give people opportunity to make any other suggestions. Let's say I know Amanda was going to be speaking to somebody else about it.
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Andrew Maliphant: see where we go from there.
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Andrew Maliphant: Okay.
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Andrew Maliphant: So, as I say, it may be just the 4 of us. I don't know but I think the idea as well as the new stuff
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Andrew Maliphant: Trisha was suggested. Something on
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Andrew Maliphant: a timber construction.
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Andrew Maliphant: Let's see if I can find my notes. From what Amanda said last time.
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tristram cary: About timber, construction.
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Andrew Maliphant: No, not about about.
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Andrew Maliphant: there was some. She was got climate, anxiety. There we are.
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Andrew Maliphant: So I'll add that to the list. Obviously, that is a valid sort of item.
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Andrew Maliphant: Adam.
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Andrew Maliphant: and keep being told that young people have got
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Andrew Maliphant: It's possibly even more than
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Andrew Maliphant: those of us who silver in our heads. We'll see. There we are.
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Andrew Maliphant: So that was one suggestion. As you'll see the next 5 we I've managed to get some great volunteers along
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Andrew Maliphant: per paper. Environmental City Trust are coming on the 7.th
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Andrew Maliphant: The Carbon Literacy project itself is coming on the 14.th
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Andrew Maliphant: My friend Ed Gamel, who's a very good speaker indeed.
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Andrew Maliphant: Mike Eccles, who's a regular attendant. These events is going to talk about all things they're doing in pay on. Why.
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Andrew Maliphant: and Chris Mcfarlane, one of the
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Andrew Maliphant: Cabinet members in the Forest of Dean District Council, have been heavily involved in this member of the Green party.
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Andrew Maliphant: We have particular thing in the Forest of Dean about a biosphere.
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Andrew Maliphant: For us to dean.
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Andrew Maliphant: Some of us may or may not know.
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Andrew Maliphant: There were 2 reports made after the the Second World War about protected landscapes, national parks.
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Andrew Maliphant: America was 1st in with national parks idea. I think it was. Yellowstone is the 1st ever one
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Andrew Maliphant: and there are 2 reports looking at places where they should be national parks or brick landscapes in some sort or another.
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Andrew Maliphant: the Forrester Dean featured on both lists.
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Andrew Maliphant: But has never actually had any particular designation.
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Andrew Maliphant: Bits of the forest. There's a y Valley A and B, but not the forest itself.
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Andrew Maliphant: So its protection has been mostly because it's owned by the Crown.
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Andrew Maliphant: But there's the idea about having a Biosphere reserve is something that's come through locally and it will be interesting to hear from Chris how that develops, how that has developed. And of course, think about whether that might be applied as a concept
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Andrew Maliphant: elsewhere. Yeah.
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Andrew Maliphant: So, Jackie, you said, what are there other things that we might want to revisit?
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Jacky Lawrence: Yeah, I was just having a look at what the responsibilities or the roles of parish councils.
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Jacky Lawrence: So I was just having a look at the list of things we've already covered, and possibly things that might I mean, I can't recommend speakers.
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Jacky Lawrence: but I was just looking at this, so I know we've already done flood risk, haven't we? But allotments
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Jacky Lawrence: village halls, I mean, I don't know if there's any good case studies. There must be some village halls that are like net 0.
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Andrew Maliphant: Well, funny you should say that because I've got Liz Shayla, who is from Somerset, who we did a case study with her
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Andrew Maliphant: on
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Andrew Maliphant: retrofitting a village hall.
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Andrew Maliphant: It was an interesting story, because they went down a long way down the road, and that it discovered, because the All had a metal roof.
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Andrew Maliphant: There were practical issues with pulling panels on it.
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Jacky Lawrence: Yes.
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Andrew Maliphant: However, good news is. The next door to them was the scout hut.
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Andrew Maliphant: and they could put pals on the scouts. They've so that's altogether quite a fascinating story, so I'll I'll make a note of that
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Andrew Maliphant: to chase up that with with Liz. That'd be fine.
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Jacky Lawrence: There's just what there's another thing from from our experience where we we are. The Parish Council own a spinney, a small woodland which is outside or just on the edges of the parish boundary.
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Jacky Lawrence: And so one of the suggestions that they haven't said. But somebody else has said just one of the members of the public is, why don't they sell that and buy some land
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Jacky Lawrence: within the village envelope to plant tree and plant trees? So I don't know whether there's any experience of parish councils creating their own little mini forests, or something.
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Andrew Maliphant: Okay, sale and purchase, shall I? Yeah.
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Jacky Lawrence: Yeah, Andrew.
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Amanda Davis: I've got an idea on that one. It's Amanda here.
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Amanda Davis: North Leach, Pauline. Is the clerk there, and they they inherited, or they were they asked for and were gifted by Cotswold District Council, some woodland that they're now managing, that they didn't have before but there's more to it than that, and I wonder whether that might be of interest.
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Jacky Lawrence: Woodland management. Yes.
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Amanda Davis: It. Well, it was about how they got the track, how they got it, they how they came into ownership of it, and how they're now managing it and running it, and what what the issues have been.
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Andrew Maliphant: Okay.
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Amanda Davis: North, Leach, you know that's just down the road from Boughton on the water.
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Andrew Maliphant: Indeed.
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Jacky Lawrence: Another thing that we've just supported as the climate and Environment Working group is the Local Sports Association. Changing their floodlights to Leds and getting a grant for it. So I'm sure there's lots of parish councils
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Jacky Lawrence: with sports associations close by them that might also want to use Leds.
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Amanda Davis: And a and also it's about the angling of the lights as well for dark sky status and for the owls and nightlife.
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Amanda Davis: If you've got a nature reserve next to you. So if it's anything on lighting, I've got a little bit of knowledge and contact on that.
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Amanda Davis: but it's a it's a an adjacent issue. It's a different issue to when Jackie's raising, which is about a program of replacing with Led. But this is this is about not just leds per se, but about the angling of them. So they angle downwards, or we just have experience where we've got a a plan, a new planning development instead of having floodlights on the top of their 2 story building angled down. They've done these posts where there's a light at the top, but they're like bollards.
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Amanda Davis: So they've kept the lighting much lower.
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Amanda Davis: So it's sort of planning issues for lighting and also lighting when you're next to a nature reserve. And one of the planning restrictions is that you can't have street lighting. So what do you do? And if you haven't thought about putting street lighting restrictions on when you've got on the edge of green space, etc. Thinking about dark sky status.
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Jacky Lawrence: It's not just that. It's the web lighting affects butterflies and moths, and their ability to like continue their species.
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Andrew Maliphant: Sport sport England, how developing a policy whereby they won't grow people unless they to clubs unless they are paying attention to some of these matters. We do have a link to the conservation officer there, so maybe that would be good person to come across David. You got your hand up, then.
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David Morgan-Jones: Yeah, just a just a general observation and and and some thoughts.
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David Morgan-Jones: I mean, I've now that Tristan very kindly invited me in.
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David Morgan-Jones: this. This has been fascinating, and the amount of information that that we're I'm beginning to sort of absorb is, you know, almost sort of get my brain melting out my ears.
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David Morgan-Jones: I just wonder
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David Morgan-Jones: whether there is a way of taking all this fantastic stuff that people are advising and and talking about.
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David Morgan-Jones: I'm producing a series of checklists and toolkits.
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David Morgan-Jones: because it's so difficult to handle the huge amount of information that's now out there.
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David Morgan-Jones: And if you're quite a naive
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David Morgan-Jones: Parish Council, which I think the majority of Parish councils are.
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David Morgan-Jones: if they want to try and and start to make inroads into some of this stuff.
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David Morgan-Jones: Just a simple idiot's guide to so getting going would be incredibly helpful.
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David Morgan-Jones: With more detail information if you wanted it. So you know, lighting on sports fields is not going to be an issue for us, but it may well be for a number of others. So the ability to go, you know, lighting. Okay? And then go into the lighting checklist and all those sort of issues and problems associated with, you know that. And it's impact. I mean, I hadn't even thought about, you know, dark skies. But you're absolutely right. And then it's impact on.
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tristram cary: Local population.
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David Morgan-Jones: Too. You suddenly realize. Gosh, yeah. And then, maybe making sure you only have it on when you need to have it on
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David Morgan-Jones: that type of thing. So it's about, how do we begin to
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David Morgan-Jones: harness this knowledge
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David Morgan-Jones: in a way that really
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David Morgan-Jones: allows us to get on and start doing some stuff as opposed to talking about stuff.
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Andrew Maliphant: You've just described the great Collaborations Mission, David.
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Andrew Maliphant: which is absolutely spot on. And and no, I'm not. You know it's true. What we're looking to do is is to make joining up the dots, make what we call making the climate jungle more navigable
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Andrew Maliphant: because you're right. There's too much stuff out there. And of course, every time somebody has a bright idea, yeah, the jungle gets thicker. Yeah, exactly. So what I've got on the screen now is the template we've developed for recording such good practice.
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Andrew Maliphant: and we're actively working on. We've got a small team working on populating this. I'll see if I've got the one about
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Andrew Maliphant: Let me get rid of that one. I've got the one about. We've done about allotments and
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Andrew Maliphant: It's already been suggested. This would have been improved by having some graphics in it. But there we go. So creating new allotments.
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Andrew Maliphant: There are funding sources. There's a National Allotment Society who obviously can advise and anybody want to try and find your nearest local council with allotments.
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Andrew Maliphant: some people say, even if it's poor soil, you can add more soil on top of it. But anyway, this is this is sort of a checklist materials that you need. Certainly fencing potentially a notice board
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Andrew Maliphant: Contractors, if you not need, do we need contractors, or can we do it ourselves? We might need contractors, we may be able to do it ourselves if we're gonna have water on site, which is a clinical thing, you know. Do we need to? Is it got water on the site? Do we need to lay pipes.
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David Morgan-Jones: Andrew Andrew, would this be possible? i i i'm I'm I'm asking what would be really, really helpful, I think, is if we could convert these word documents into a Wiki
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tristram cary: Can I can. I just brought. I think that example of the allotments is is a really good one, Andrew, but it's it's slightly worrying to me that you created that page you took that on. Could we not also work, for instance, with the Allotment Society, who are very keen to promote. You know better allotments and more of them, and all that stuff.
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tristram cary: from I don't know who on a much smaller scale, say, you know, we want 20,000 pounds to to to create this guide at with the with the Allotment Society, and maybe Defra, you know, who are also keen on it, and and say that we're not doing it all, you know in our spare time.
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tristram cary: And I think there's a lead. There's a sort of natural Government Department lead for pretty well all these things.
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Andrew Maliphant: Yes, indeed. I've have written to Government ministers on Monday. I haven't had any plans yet, but we will see what transpires. As you know, Tristan.
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Jacky Lawrence: So I've got something to add to your allotment thing. So on on Monday our Parish Council are discussing whether to purchase the weed, suppressing membrane to create another 3 allotments in the land that they're already using. That's been like lots of left fallow for ages. So it was just just that.
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Amanda Davis: Yeah, I'm on our Parish Environment Committee, which is responsible for allotments. And we've been doing quite a lot to see if we can review our allotments, policies so that we can run them in a more
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Amanda Davis: you must do this. You shouldn't do that and so we've had these for the 1st time.
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Amanda Davis: and I don't say it's perfect, it's further or perfect. I was arguing, or there is amendments to it, but I think it's 1 of those things that little steps, you know. So we went with the lowest common denominator, in my opinion, which says things like, you know, if you've got an angry heart, you've got to take everything away. No, you can't have a maximum. You've got to have a what does it say? Something like you've got to have a maximum of 2 minds.
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Amanda Davis: but when you get an angry hive you've got to have a 3rd or a 4th to separate, or to allow the 2 queens that are falling out to move a bit. You know it's kind of it's not perfect, but it's a start. And we used to say, No, these no, that's all. People might get so long because we didn't know what we were talking about, because we're volunteers. We're not gatekeepers, and we found beekeepers in our style community. So I think it's
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Amanda Davis: it's something about I think 2 things. One is beekeeping allotments, which is a subject in itself.
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Amanda Davis: And he also plays to. Was it David Tristram or David who said about you know the allotment of society, for example, Uniform Association. It's kind of knowing who the experts are out there and working alongside them. But I think it's still got to be us running this show, because it's from a parish townhouse perspective, isn't it? We are the experts on that.
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tristram cary: But they do, but they do have a lot of expertise on allotments, and they lecture all around the country on how to do it, and they they would have somebody. I'm ashore who'd know about bees and be able to advise.
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Amanda Davis: Who are the experts as well. So my point is, there are experts out there.
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Amanda Davis: but you still got to have a lead, and I think we've got to retain the lead on this because our focus is parish and town councils. So it's like any matrix we're deciding which route to go down, but we've got to bump into lots of experts along the way.
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tristram cary: Amanda. I don't know if it's just me, but I find you very difficult to hear you. You've turned into a dalek.
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Jacky Lawrence: For for community experts. Our Parish Council got this working group working party. They're called.
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Jacky Lawrence: So one person sort of like works in transport, but's got particular interest in community orchards and cycling and active travel. I've got a particular interest in energy. And the other person is an an architect. So is interested in buildings and thermal imaging and that sort of thing.
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Jacky Lawrence: So we've got a working party that helps and supports the Parish Council in doing climate and environment, things.
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Andrew Maliphant: Sure. No making links to other users is very much part of our plan as well. We're not trying to rewrite everything. No.
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David Morgan-Jones: Okay. Sorry. This is actually doing a bit of a helicopter view. So and there's a few slides I need to just bring in to sort of provide a logic to, to the, to the thoughts we're having, and why? I think that what we're doing is so vitally important.
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