# Banter 69: 14May25 Net Zero Template, David Morgan-Jones {% embed url="" %} Video of David's presentation and interactive flow {% endembed %} ### Video Timeline (min:sec): 00:00 - 09:15 Introduction 09:15 - 62:13 Presentation, with interactive flow 62:13 - 87:00 (end) Q & A session *** ### Presentation: {% file src="" %} *** ### Meeting Summary: May 14, 2025 11:54 AM London ID: 834 5460 8536 \ **Quick recap** The meeting covered various topics related to carbon reduction initiatives, focusing on improving the Great Collaboration website and developing strategies for parish and town councils to support net-zero goals. Discussions included the challenges of reducing emissions in different sectors, engaging communities, and addressing housing energy efficiency. The group also explored potential funding sources, the importance of agriculture in greenhouse gas production, and the need for clear communication and accessible resources for community members. ### Next steps * [David to refine the website structure proposal based on feedback received, particularly around making it more accessible for parish councils with varying levels of knowledge.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=712241bc-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) * [Andrew to explore adding a section on agriculture and food security to the Great Collaboration knowledge base.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=71224a2c-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) * [Andrew to look into organizing a future session on agriculture, farming, and their impact on climate change.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=71224e00-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) * [Andrew to update the Great Collaboration website with the recording, chat, and presentation from this meeting.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=71225148-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) * [Andrew to continue working on improving the searchability and accessibility of information on the Great Collaboration knowledge base.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=71225422-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) * [Jane to consider preparing a more detailed presentation on agriculture and its environmental impacts for a future session.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=712256fc-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) * [Great Collaboration team to add information about library of things and equipment sharing to the knowledge base.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=71225a12-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) * [Great Collaboration team to include links to Communities Prepared training resources on the website.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=71225dfa-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) * [Andrew to explore the possibility of tailored flood risk assessment advice for parish councils with Communities Prepared.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=712260d4-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) * [Great Collaboration team to work on providing clearer explanations of technical terms and avoiding acronyms on the website.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=%2FlroIBvZRXy%2BFh55sYfUDw%3D%3D\&stepId=7122639a-30bf-11f0-a4ab-566251e8be0c) ### Summary #### Net-Zero Processes David emphasized the importance of a two-way conversation and the development of a website to support parish town councils in reducing carbon output. The team agreed to focus on creating a simple way for busy and potentially uninterested councils to implement net-zero processes. #### Improving Great Collaboration Website David proposed a plan to improve the Great Collaboration website, aiming to make it more coherent and user-friendly. He suggested taking the team through the current website and then presenting a proposal for improvement. Graham agreed, noting that the current website is largely as it was inherited and that a redesign is in progress. He also mentioned the growing knowledge base, which is provided with an AI search engine. Jane, a volunteer with Hampton in Arden Parish Council, expressed her interest in the project and her willingness to contribute her scientific understanding and environmental expertise. #### Structured Pathway for Net Zero Carbon David proposed a structured pathway for parish and town councils to support net zero carbon reduction, maximizing the utility of information on the great collaboration website. He suggested a landing page to decide which area to focus on, such as reducing CO2, biodiversity, or flood management. David also proposed a target-setting process using the impact website to measure carbon emissions and identify areas for reduction. The team agreed with David's suggestions, and he emphasized the need to consider different information requirements for individuals, community groups, and councils. #### Addressing Carbon Emissions in Housing David discussed the challenges of reducing carbon emissions in road transport and industrial sectors, suggesting that housing might be a more manageable area to focus on. Louise asked about the role of parishes in national and local authority contexts, and David confirmed that they could collaborate with other initiatives. Graham emphasized the importance of pulling together all activities happening in the area. Stuart raised concerns about the feasibility of calculating and reducing a town's total CO2 emissions, and suggested a discussion on soil ecology and agriculture's impact on methane emissions. David agreed to create a thread on agriculture to address these concerns. #### Addressing Community Carbon Emissions David discussed the importance of addressing the community's carbon emissions, emphasizing that the council's efforts on their buildings and transport are insufficient. Sue Burton from Battletown Council shared her council's focus on reducing their carbon footprint and expressed interest in learning how to incorporate sequestration to offset their emissions. Garry disagreed with David, suggesting that the council should focus on their own house first and then support the wider community. David agreed with Garry but emphasized the need to expose the weaknesses in the current system and lobby for more resources. Graham suggested starting at the community level to engage more people in the decision-making process. #### Impact Tool and Climate Change Funding In the meeting, Sue expressed frustration with the impact tool, which she found difficult to use for understanding the reasons behind changes in carbon emissions. Louise suggested that the tool might not provide enough information to share with residents. David agreed and mentioned that he had picked up a lot of useful information from Louise's work. Jane asked if any council members had experience with using sill money for climate change mitigation, to which Cllr responded that it could only be used if a local plan was in place. Stuart also mentioned that they had received 250,000 from s. 106 for a broader way. Jane suggested that they could use sill money for PV panels. David suggested that they should not go too deep into funding rabbit holes, but it would be a big part of their discussion. #### Setting Realistic Targets for Carbon Reduction David discussed the process of identifying and setting realistic targets for reducing carbon emissions. He emphasized the importance of creating a structure to work towards these targets in a logical and manageable way. David suggested starting with housing as a primary target and then moving on to other sectors like transport and industry. He also highlighted the need for local partnerships and community engagement. Graham added that the community energy facility could generate cash for other initiatives. David concluded by mentioning the need for detailed action plans and the creation of a web-like structure to link all components together. #### Housing Stock Investment and Community Engagement David discussed the need to understand the housing stock and where to invest time and energy. He suggested focusing on houses with lower certification ratings and improving insulation. Garry proposed considering the interests of the parish and the most suitable solutions for each house. Louise suggested starting with data and engaging with the community. The team agreed on the importance of peer group influence and the need for a structured approach to address the issue. #### Engaging Parish Council on Housing Stock David discussed the need to engage the Parish Council and understand the problem of housing stock EPC ratings. He suggested using the energy advice program to fund improvements and linked resources to the website for easy access. He also mentioned the importance of insulation and the need for a website that minimizes writing and maximizes action. Jane agreed with David's points. #### Solar Energy Expansion and Website Upgrade David discussed the plan to increase local ground-powered distribution, which involves creating a structure for solar energy. He mentioned a company they are consulting with for funding and the development of a capability to assess the energy potential of roofs. David also proposed the idea of ground-mounted solar systems for houses with difficult roof structures. Jane raised concerns about the receptiveness of district network operators to large systems and the potential for power outages. Andrew agreed to pass the discussion back to Graham and Andrew for further consideration. Andrew also mentioned the ongoing upgrade of their website, which will include a section on carbon reduction. He discussed the possibility of direct electricity sales and the need for action cards for different types of buildings. #### Community Collaboration Knowledge Base Development Andrew Maliphant discussed the development of a knowledge base for community collaboration, emphasizing the importance of inclusivity and accessibility for all community members. He mentioned the use of a thermal imaging camera as a potential resource for residents and the creation of a directory for accredited air source heat pump installers. Andrew also highlighted the need for clear communication and the avoidance of technical jargon in their initiatives. The team also discussed the potential for a library of shared resources among community members. Andrew committed to updating the website with meeting notes and links to relevant resources. #### Agriculture's Role in Greenhouse Gas In the meeting, Andrew, Jane, and Stuart discussed the importance of agriculture in the context of greenhouse gas production and food security. They acknowledged the need for a session on agriculture and the potential involvement of Jules Thompson in this discussion. Jane expressed concerns about the government's priorities and the impact of environmental schemes on agriculture. Stuart brought up the topic of soil ecology and regenerative farming, highlighting the conflict between food production and soil maintenance. The group agreed that food security should be a priority and that a scientist could provide valuable insights on the topic. *** ### Chat: \ \ 00:28:21 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): That chart should really pull through landuse \ 00:30:21 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Key to look at what Town and Parish councils can do the make a difference - eg aviation & shipping minimal; quite a bit on housing in terms of sharing info, supporting insulation, solar and heat pump schemes; quite a bit on travel and transport - supporting the local bus service; setting up a car club; encouraging peer-to-peer charging for EVs, car share, safer walking and cycling routes. Farmer support with NFU, Farmer Clusters etc \ 00:32:10 Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: You mentioned money - do you, as a Parish Council have any? Secondly, do your local population have any interest in climate change issues? We were concerned that we should not "frighten the horses". \ 00:35:58 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): So adding public engagement to the toolkit maybe useful. There is lots of good practice - but can be couched in a conversation about the place.. we did 'Community with Altitude' event (we're a high up village) that showcased our community car share, veg box, we held ou first repair cafe there, and showed a film (coop pioneers film filmed in the village) and started a conversation about other things we could do. Rob Hoskins Transition Towns handbook has some great ways of holding such events .\ 00:43:47 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Onion in here see page 5 [Local Authorities and the Sixth Carbon Budget - Climate Change Committee](https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/local-authorities-and-the-sixth-carbon-budget/) \ 00:43:49 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Focal point for documents that are not being put into the chat as links, please: \ 00:44:51 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): you may well start getting BNG Biodiversity Net Gain money too if you have suitable sites? \ 00:45:00 Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: Cil money has to be used for ‘infrastructure’. \ 00:47:37 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): I will be producing Seventh Carbon Budget and Local Authorities too soon - and that will have some flowcharts of key actions that will need doing for each emissions sector eg buildings, transport etc. in short in there we need to ELECTRIFY everything - heating and transport (and industry) - ie heat pumps on homes; ensuring all houses have sufficient loft insulation (and cavity wall insulation where they have a suitable cavity) - a town council loft audit would be an amazing way to see if everyone had loft insulation - and what if there was a 'help to check' and a loft clear-out day to help people clear out and sort the stuff in their lofts? \ 00:49:12 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): I think useful to put a national timeline along the top - perhaps with what policy is coming; and what grants and incentives are available along the way? so your residents don't miss out. \ 00:49:54 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): eg the Local Power Plan that is coming - providing £ into community energy groups and local authorities for generation development. \ 00:50:22 Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Replying to "eg the Local Power P..." Thanks Louise, let's please keep in touch on this \ 00:50:29 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Reacted to "Thanks Louise, let's..." with 👍🏻 \ 00:50:54 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): I can see some kind of cascade occurring - I might box out some mini-actions that could speak to Town Councils/Parish Council roles in the report? \ 00:51:53 Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: In our parish we would definitely need the linking with other parishes and engagement of the local community as an important tool/ signpost as we have no building of our own, and very little land held by the PC. \ 00:55:49 Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Agreed note of different approaches for different houses - is there anyone already working on this? \ 00:56:17 Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Heat pumps only work in well-insulated properties. Insulation is the starting point. \ 00:57:16 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Remembering EPCs are pretty rubbish and often there are not EPCs for houses. Your LA may have Parity Projects data - which they could share with you actually so could be a useful source. In an off-gas area you'll get a big carbon saving by installing HPs. You could also look at what is already working - eg Blakesley (Northants) where my mum lives - off gas - more and more people are having ASHPs installed and visiting each other and getting them installed - so if I were that PC I'd be doing an open day for heat pumps. She did not have extra insulation installed. \ 00:57:48 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: One way of getting the non-interested to pay a bit more attention and take an interest is to point out the financial savings that should accrue? \ 00:59:09 Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: We're also being asked for contacts of good installers around the country \ 00:59:31 Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: There is still the £7500 government grant available for ASHP installation. \ 01:00:23 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Yes, BUS is still available, and likely to be extended to new technologies (currently under consultation now from DESNZ) \ 01:00:27 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Andrew: [Regen Renewables | Heat Pump Northampton | Northamptonshire, UK](https://www.regenrenewables.co.uk/) \ 01:00:39 Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Reacted to "Andrew: Regen Renewa..." with 👍 \ 01:00:43 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Very good and nice installers and 'old folks-proof' too (ie help my mum each year) \ 01:01:17 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Apologies, I'll have to leave shortly, I've an MOD volunteer party helping out at the local nature area. \ 01:01:21 Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: HeatGeek provide list of ASHP installers in each area \ 01:01:51 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): and these ones in Huddersfield highly recommended [Heat Pump Installers UK](https://www.heatpumpinstallersuk.com/) \ 01:04:41 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Nesta have been running visit a heat pump schemes too : [Visit a heat pump | Nesta](https://www.nesta.org.uk/project/visit-a-heat-pump/) \ 01:05:03 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Very much regret that my next appointment is calling me away, so will say goodbye - and thank you very much for being a highly fascinating and talented bunch of attendees! Andrew Maliphant is taking over the hosting of the session on Zoom. Will catch up from the recording! This is stirring stuff, David, think it is a wonderful work in progress! \ 01:06:04 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Simple action lists would be excellent - and easy for councils to access. checklists etc. and links to case studies of councils that have done it before. \ 01:06:38 Sue Burton: Thanks so much for these sessions, Graham and for all you do \ 01:09:36 Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Thanks all, looks like a good plan David - sorry I must go now. \ 01:11:05 Sue Burton: I’m in the process of having a HP installed. Stressy with all the things I have to do to prepare for the installation. It has taken 2 months with no heating ! \ 01:13:30 Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: We were only without heating for a week. Our ASHP installers were great. \ 01:14:08 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Reacted to "HeatGeek provide li..." with 👍 \ 01:22:33 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I must leave now - got to prepare for a parish meeting (pushing mud uphill). Very useful - thanks \ 01:25:14 Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: [Communities Prepared – A Groundwork South Project](https://www.communitiesprepared.org.uk/)[#video-timeline-min-sec](#video-timeline-min-sec "mention") \ 01:26:23 Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: Brilliant info Andrew, thanks \ 01:27:25 Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: [Banter sessions (inc table of all sessions) | The Great Collaboration Knowledgebase](https://wiki.greatcollaboration.uk/knowledgebase/events/banter-sessions-inc-table-of-all-sessions/)\ 01:33:21 Sue Burton: I need to go. Thanks so much. Great to hear all the info and experiences. *** ### Speech-to-Text (for AI search engine): WEBVTT \ 42\ 00:09:15.040 --> 00:09:24.929\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Well, I wonder David, whilst with this waiting the last minute that we tend to wait, whether you wouldn't mind explaining to people how interactive they're gonna have to be today. 43\ 00:09:27.340 --> 00:09:32.839\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah, this is very much a sort of a 2 way conversation rather than a 1 way. Send 44\ 00:09:34.750 --> 00:09:50.809\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and hopefully by the end of it. Graham and Andrew will have a view in terms of how they want to develop the website, particularly in terms of 45\ 00:09:50.970 --> 00:09:53.089\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: providing support 46\ 00:09:53.560 --> 00:10:00.579\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: to. And I'm going to focus for the moment, exclusively at a parish town council level. 47\ 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:07.729\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: But there's plenty of space for individual sort of inputs and and thoughts, too. 48\ 00:10:09.530 --> 00:10:16.619\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So what are we trying? What we're trying to do is to create a simple way that 49\ 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:25.089\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: a lot of very busy stroke, potentially, quite uninterested parish councils. 50\ 00:10:27.060 --> 00:10:27.790\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Absolutely. 51\ 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:36.450\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Can input or implement net, 0 52\ 00:10:37.163 --> 00:10:44.490\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: sort of processes or sort of help move towards reducing carbon output 53\ 00:10:45.322 --> 00:10:49.659\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and to make that journey as painless as possible. 54\ 00:10:49.830 --> 00:10:53.269\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: because much of the thinking has already been done for them. 55\ 00:10:55.214 --> 00:11:07.089\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: That's not to say they will need that. They they can't have a completely radical view, but it's often much easier to start with something and modify it than it is to start with a blank sheet of paper. 56\ 00:11:08.980 --> 00:11:17.070\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: The other issue is that with a great collaboration, particularly with Graham's side. 57\ 00:11:17.790 --> 00:11:21.870\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and the website itself, there is a vast database of information. 58\ 00:11:24.930 --> 00:11:37.040\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: But unless you've actually been, unless you've got a very good search engine, or you've been party to lots of the great collaboration Wednesday meetings, you're probably unaware that some of this information exists. 59\ 00:11:38.090 --> 00:11:45.460\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So how do we link all of this really good information into a coherent narrative 60\ 00:11:45.780 --> 00:11:47.779\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: that allows us to make 61\ 00:11:48.860 --> 00:11:58.819\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: decisions based on evidence and advice from more experienced individuals in particular areas. So it's a, it's a, it's a pretty big ask. 62\ 00:11:59.460 --> 00:12:00.180\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: It's. 63\ 00:12:00.651 --> 00:12:04.890\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: But your thoughts and your views and your support. 64\ 00:12:05.633 --> 00:12:08.100\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Will all be massively helpful. 65\ 00:12:08.881 --> 00:12:13.600\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So once Graham is happy for me to to go. 66\ 00:12:13.710 --> 00:12:22.549\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: What I'm going to do is I'll take us through the great collaboration collaboration website as it is at the moment, just to sort of give us, get us a feel of what currently exists. 67\ 00:12:22.920 --> 00:12:28.179\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and then go to a proposal, and then I'll lead you through 68\ 00:12:28.470 --> 00:12:35.900\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: each stage we can debate and negotiate, and and I'll I'll make some notes on on the slides. 69\ 00:12:36.241 --> 00:12:44.810\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And then once we get to the end of it, then hopefully, Graham and Andrew will have a clear view of where they want to go if they want to go down this particular route or not. 70\ 00:12:45.390 --> 00:12:50.750\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So over to you, Andrew Graham, are you happy for me to to crack on. 71\ 00:12:50.750 --> 00:13:08.430\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Yeah, just a couple of points to preface you, David. If I'd really been thinking straight, I would have suggested that everybody take a look at the presentation that Gary gave us from caution a couple of weeks ago, because it would have been a wonderful preparation for this in terms of how you can 72\ 00:13:08.580 --> 00:13:28.849\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: come up with a very simple plan and then follow it with rigorous post plan measurements to see what the impact has been. So that would be one recommendation. The second one is to say that the website that we have a great collaboration at the moment is largely as it was inherited when we took it over. 73\ 00:13:29.293 --> 00:13:35.449\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: And there is a redesign in place. And of course, what you're doing now will hopefully make that a much more 74\ 00:13:35.580 --> 00:13:41.019\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: straightforward and sensible logical path down which we're passing. 75\ 00:13:41.552 --> 00:13:53.039\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: So what you see at the moment is not ideal from our point of view, but where we should be heading is part of what your exercise is involved. 76\ 00:13:53.180 --> 00:14:07.389\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: And then the 3rd point I put out is that the knowledge base that we have the wiki, if you will, on which I record all these events, is growing gradually with other links, as I put them in, or other people contribute them. 77\ 00:14:07.530 --> 00:14:15.559\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: and it is provided with an AI search engine so it can find stuff both on the site and off it. 78\ 00:14:16.032 --> 00:14:23.669\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: And I do ask that everybody has a go at using it if they can, and come up with suggestions. But apart from that, it's all yours, David. 79\ 00:14:23.670 --> 00:14:35.180\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Gary, I'm delighted you're you've joined us because, unfortunately, I missed your your presentation. So your input will be really, really welcome. 80\ 00:14:35.890 --> 00:14:47.040\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Okay? So let's start off with having a look at the current website. 81\ 00:14:49.180 --> 00:14:51.799\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Oh, could I just go back a step. 82\ 00:14:51.800 --> 00:14:52.649\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yes, you can. 83\ 00:14:54.140 --> 00:15:01.480\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Firstly, is one of you. A. An it expert who creates websites? 84\ 00:15:03.710 --> 00:15:06.860\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Or are you using someone to help you with that. 85\ 00:15:07.990 --> 00:15:09.199\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Over you to you, Graham. 86\ 00:15:11.260 --> 00:15:16.350\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: It. There are plenty of people around who are good at that sort of stuff. 87\ 00:15:17.149 --> 00:15:23.940\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: We do have an intern from King's College, London, working with us, who spends her entire life working with websites. 88\ 00:15:24.610 --> 00:15:28.080\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: and she's getting to grips with what's there at the moment? 89\ 00:15:28.539 --> 00:15:34.609\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: If, on the other hand, you're volunteering because you'd like to do something about improve it. Don't let me stop you. 90\ 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:52.010\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: I. I am no expert in it. My background is as a scientist, professionally a farmer in the past, and someone with a lifelong interest in environment, climate change, mitigation. 91\ 00:15:52.713 --> 00:15:57.250\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: and with a lot of scientific understanding, if you will. 92\ 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.250\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: And I am a volunteer with 93\ 00:16:04.370 --> 00:16:11.319\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Hampton in Arden Parish Council. Is there anyone else from Hampton in Arden Parish Council on this call. 94\ 00:16:12.220 --> 00:16:14.059\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: No, I think you're alone, Jane. 95\ 00:16:14.190 --> 00:16:15.099\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: But okay. 96\ 00:16:15.100 --> 00:16:18.750\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: And getting them to move is like pushing mud uphill. 97\ 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:25.190\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Well, I'm sure that's something that David is going to address, because we all have that problem. 98\ 00:16:25.450 --> 00:16:26.390\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: And 99\ 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:42.269\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: and there are plenty of people around who worked out ways of getting around that problem. So I'm sure we'll get ideas there as well for you. But in the meantime your experience and your interests very, very welcome, and I hope that we'll be hearing and getting more from you. 100\ 00:16:42.270 --> 00:16:43.240\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Thank you. 101\ 00:16:44.346 --> 00:16:46.649\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Can I just ask, can people see the website. 102\ 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:48.450\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Yes. 103\ 00:16:48.450 --> 00:16:49.600\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Have you? Okay? 104\ 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:55.519\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So at the moment, as Graham said, if you and I'm going to focus on councils at the moment. 105\ 00:16:55.730 --> 00:17:01.300\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: so if you go to council. You've got a lot of stuff here. 106\ 00:17:02.470 --> 00:17:08.060\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And it's it's 107\ 00:17:09.430 --> 00:17:13.260\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: It's fairly basic. But it's a solution. Start point 108\ 00:17:13.734 --> 00:17:20.630\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and there's I won't open up the resource pack because it just leads you to a directory of documents. 109\ 00:17:21.164 --> 00:17:23.990\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So that's currently what we've got at the moment. 110\ 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:31.745\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Now, the other thing that there's also on the the website is 111\ 00:17:35.090 --> 00:18:01.569\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: a lot of information that is quite low level in focus and covers a breadth of issues from biodiversity through to carbon issues through to all sorts of things. So whilst it covers an awful lot for me personally, there isn't a logic to it. So I struggle a little bit, trying to find what I need. 112\ 00:18:02.010 --> 00:18:07.997\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So what I'm going to do now, having shown you that is, I'm just going to go through 113\ 00:18:08.670 --> 00:18:12.069\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: a sort of a sort of a storyboard. 114\ 00:18:12.962 --> 00:18:18.058\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And I'll just wait for that. Come now, forgive me. It will be 115\ 00:18:20.781 --> 00:18:23.238\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: in. I'm not going to 116\ 00:18:24.310 --> 00:18:28.300\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: put it as a display, because I want to be able to change it and amend it. 117\ 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:36.150\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So what we're trying to do, I think, is to provide a structured pathway 118\ 00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:43.576\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: to enabling parish and town councils to support. In this case it's next area. We refine it, reduce carbon 119\ 00:18:44.386 --> 00:18:56.249\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Max. By maximize, the utility of the information already held on the great collaboration website. So it's a question of, let's not reinvent the wheel. It's about, how do we actually create a structure that we can approach information? 120\ 00:18:57.530 --> 00:18:58.460\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Now. 121\ 00:18:58.500 --> 00:19:21.439\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: the great thing about the collaboration website is it covers quite a large, a number of big areas. So there's biodiversity as well as carbon reduction as well as various other components. So whilst I'm focusing quite selfishly on the carbon reduction component, there are other factors that we need to consider. 122\ 00:19:21.460 --> 00:19:30.150\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and that may be that what we need is a landing page will allow us to decide which area we particularly want to go into 123\ 00:19:32.080 --> 00:19:45.520\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and then the the next. So we've got sort of, for example, reducing Co. 2. We've got biodiversity. We've got flood management. And I'm sure there's others. I didn't bother doing a complete research. It was just various groups. But 124\ 00:19:46.980 --> 00:19:51.969\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: what we also need to take into account is the website is trying to 125\ 00:19:52.290 --> 00:20:01.110\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: allow all sorts of different groups to come in and exploit the information. So it might be a parish and town council. 126\ 00:20:01.210 --> 00:20:06.830\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: It could be a community group that's got an interest in trying to do this, or it could be an individual. 127\ 00:20:08.040 --> 00:20:13.859\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And the information for those particular groups might be the same. 128\ 00:20:14.120 --> 00:20:16.800\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: but it's probably going to be subtly different. 129\ 00:20:17.060 --> 00:20:36.750\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So if I'm an individual, I might want to look at this at a very individualistic level, doing all sorts of potential projects or programs I could do for me in my property, or maybe engage with a number of people in doing something. So I think we need to accept that. There are 130\ 00:20:38.036 --> 00:20:45.493\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: different information requirements depending on how? Why, you're you're you're you're you're engaging with the 131\ 00:20:46.750 --> 00:20:48.499\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: the the website. 132\ 00:20:55.850 --> 00:21:06.760\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I've just put a mock up there. It's by no means anywhere near what a graphic designer would do. And I'm sure it could be done in a much more coherent and elegant fashion 133\ 00:21:07.550 --> 00:21:21.429\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: is before I move on to the next slide. Is there anything that anybody has any push back on, or or suggestions with regard to my these comments. I've just made. 134\ 00:21:24.040 --> 00:21:27.970\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Think the comments are very straightforward and very clear. David. 135\ 00:21:28.250 --> 00:21:29.040\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: You're happy with that. 136\ 00:21:29.040 --> 00:21:31.055\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: I'm slightly concerned with. 137\ 00:21:31.970 --> 00:21:36.419\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: the choice of 3. I take it that that will increase as we go down the route. 138\ 00:21:36.420 --> 00:21:45.793\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Oh, yeah, yeah, no. The 3 were just off the top of my head. Yeah. They could be as little or as many as we want them to be. It was just I needed to start somewhere. 139\ 00:21:46.490 --> 00:21:48.919\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Yeah, absolutely. I think that case go for it. 140\ 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:57.910\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Right? Okay? So I'm going to focus purely on reducing Co 2. And I'm going to be doing it as a parish and town council level. 141\ 00:21:59.920 --> 00:22:00.725\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So 142\ 00:22:01.850 --> 00:22:21.140\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: what I would suggest is that rather like in the old fashioned days we used to have when we were installing new software onto our computer systems. There was a wizard, and the Wizard would take you through various stages. And you would accept or not. So now it says that sort of mentality is is in the way in which I sort of suggesting that we do this. 143\ 00:22:21.540 --> 00:22:30.869\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So the next stage is and hopefully, what was it? 144\ 00:22:32.510 --> 00:22:37.470\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: What we'd be looking at is is setting a target. 145\ 00:22:39.855 --> 00:22:40.750\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Because 146\ 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:45.560\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: if you're going to do a lot of stuff and expel a lot of energy and a lot of money. 147\ 00:22:46.173 --> 00:22:50.210\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Eventually, you need to have at least some sort of 148\ 00:22:50.690 --> 00:22:54.859\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: measurables point from where you're starting. 149\ 00:22:55.150 --> 00:23:02.359\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and then, having another measurable point as you move towards the middle, and then the end to show that what you're doing is actually making a difference. 150\ 00:23:03.990 --> 00:23:10.443\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so what we're looking at is to set the targets. Now I've got 151\ 00:23:11.780 --> 00:23:30.519\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: my footprint on the the impact website. So if you see here, if you want to go on. If you depending on how many screens you've got, you can go to that particular website and put in your own town or council or House. 152\ 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:39.699\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and it will produce a whole bunch of information about how much Co. 2 you are generating. 153\ 00:23:40.150 --> 00:23:47.285\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So for Ushok Parish Council, the total amount that we would be generating. We're generating is 154\ 00:23:48.790 --> 00:23:53.990\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: 10 kilotons of Co. 2 per year. 155\ 00:23:56.520 --> 00:24:06.179\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Now we can reduce that 10 kilotons by the amount of vegetation we've got, and the sequestration will remove about 12% of that. 156\ 00:24:06.450 --> 00:24:12.940\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So what we are looking at is a target of 8.8 kilotons of Co. 2. 157\ 00:24:15.350 --> 00:24:30.309\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: The other thing it does is it breaks down where the Co. 2 is being generated. So if you look at the bottom part of this slide. Here you can see that we've got road transport, industrial and commercial housing, agriculture. 158\ 00:24:30.450 --> 00:24:35.880\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: f gases, whatever f gases are various other bits and pieces that are there. 159\ 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:42.809\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: so that allows us to start to to drill into what's causing it. 160\ 00:24:43.350 --> 00:24:45.750\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Now we can't. 161\ 00:24:46.850 --> 00:24:51.869\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: We can't tackle all of it at once. We've got to nibble away at it 162\ 00:24:52.292 --> 00:25:03.879\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and deal with it on a bit by bit basis, because there's only a small number of us in each each parish or town council, and only a certain amount of enthusiasm and energy to actually sort of get this done. 163\ 00:25:04.540 --> 00:25:08.260\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So the 1st process would be target setting, and 164\ 00:25:08.390 --> 00:25:16.480\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: the the website could be designed to actually help you do that and generate the the target that you're trying to go for. 165\ 00:25:18.060 --> 00:25:21.159\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And then also with the impact tool. 166\ 00:25:21.722 --> 00:25:31.439\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Actually provide the subcategories in the areas where we will be. That we need to look at. Now, I've highlighted housing 167\ 00:25:31.939 --> 00:25:35.779\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: simply for me. It's the easiest thing to get my head around 168\ 00:25:36.210 --> 00:25:42.929\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: because the problem with road transport is that we, as a parish or town council, have very little impact on that. 169\ 00:25:43.280 --> 00:25:55.333\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And then when you look at industrial and commercial, it depends on how big that is for you. And I would suggest that that may be the second area that you might want to get your teeth into. If you you've 170\ 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.389\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: If you've got the housing bit well and truly sorted 171\ 00:26:01.170 --> 00:26:06.689\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: before I go on to the next slide. Any feedback or questions on that. 172\ 00:26:08.290 --> 00:26:12.960\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Now, can I ask a question? Sorry. I feel a bit like an interloper, because I'm not a regular. 173\ 00:26:13.530 --> 00:26:14.599\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: That's right. These, no problem. 174\ 00:26:15.360 --> 00:26:18.250\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): I'm just. I mean, I've just looked my parish up. 175\ 00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:29.259\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): there's something about where you land in in the national and local authority context. Isn't this where you sit as parishes 176\ 00:26:29.710 --> 00:26:32.320\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): so you could? 177\ 00:26:33.740 --> 00:26:51.469\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Is is there a bit? I know this is sort of you looking at. You can see what your footprint is for your for the for the people in your parish. But there may well be an initiative that's happening around transport or housing which you could magnify or jump on. 178\ 00:26:52.190 --> 00:27:01.499\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Oh, Louise, absolutely. And I think once we we break down. The input once you get onto it, you'll see. 179\ 00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:02.819\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: See that there's also. 180\ 00:27:02.820 --> 00:27:07.329\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Sorts of options that we can do in order to maximize that. 181\ 00:27:07.330 --> 00:27:08.190\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Okay. Yeah. 182\ 00:27:08.190 --> 00:27:15.940\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And this isn't a rigid structure. This is a structure. It's a set of guide rails which is highly flexible 183\ 00:27:16.270 --> 00:27:20.816\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and can be adapted to in specific and individual circumstances. 184\ 00:27:21.230 --> 00:27:21.850\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Okay. 185\ 00:27:21.850 --> 00:27:22.480\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Raym. 186\ 00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:50.770\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Just one thing I would say for Jane is that the whole point of the great collaboration is to try and pull together all the activities that are happening either nationally or immediately within your area. So your point is very well made that there may well be lots of other stuff going on, and we're trying to pull it all together, so that when people go trekking through this path of David's they will be informed what else is happening that could be 187\ 00:27:51.210 --> 00:27:59.139\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: useful. The second question I had David was, there's obviously no way that you can reduce your carbon 188\ 00:27:59.190 --> 00:28:03.839\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: output to 0. So is there any plan for offsetting coming in here later? 189\ 00:28:04.975 --> 00:28:10.304\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: We. I'll make a note of it, because actually, I hadn't really thought about it. 190\ 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:14.190\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: What is it? 191\ 00:28:14.190 --> 00:28:21.440\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: There's no way that your 8,000 tons is going to come down to 0 when you've got 4,000 tons being generated by the motorway around you. 192\ 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:22.780\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And the airport. 193\ 00:28:22.930 --> 00:28:30.720\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yes, that's that flies over us all very close to us. So yeah, I mean, I think 194\ 00:28:31.230 --> 00:28:40.859\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: whilst we're looking at net 0, I think what we're really looking at is lowering as far as practically possible is probably a better way of defining it. 195\ 00:28:40.970 --> 00:28:41.960\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Stuart. 196\ 00:28:42.760 --> 00:28:44.575\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Hi, yeah, thank you. 197\ 00:28:45.300 --> 00:28:51.515\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I I'm very minded by a talk. I I can't remember the lady's name. 198\ 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:58.279\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: somewhere from the south coast, who who done a lot on decarbonizing her council. 199\ 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:01.649\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Her aim was to decarbonize the town 200\ 00:29:01.950 --> 00:29:17.369\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: at the end of her presentation, she said, don't, whatever you do try and calculate your town's total. Co. 2, or indeed think that you can actually change that. You can't, she said. It's a complete waste of time. 201\ 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:47.809\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I'm also very interested in what Jane was talking about. I've been doing a lot of reading about soil ecology recently, and agriculture, regenerative or conservative agriculture, and I was wondering if Jane could do one of these sessions on what she knows about soil and agriculture and the emissions of methane. 202\ 00:29:48.650 --> 00:29:53.080\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: which doesn't seem to get mentioned in the great collaboration. 203\ 00:29:53.380 --> 00:29:56.199\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Stuart, can I ask you to park that for a sec? But don't. 204\ 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:57.380\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Yeah, sure. Thank you. 205\ 00:29:57.380 --> 00:30:04.860\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: The reason, I say that is because there needs to be a whole thread done on agriculture. 206\ 00:30:04.860 --> 00:30:05.440\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Yep. 207\ 00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:06.080\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Yeah. 208\ 00:30:06.340 --> 00:30:10.770\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Do you see where I've got on my hopefully you can see my mouse is highlighting. 209\ 00:30:10.910 --> 00:30:11.250\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Yes. 210\ 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:17.929\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Agriculture on the screen. So that's exactly the information that we should be looking for and working out. 211\ 00:30:17.930 --> 00:30:18.820\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Hmm. 212\ 00:30:19.260 --> 00:30:23.759\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Okay, so that links in right? Gary, can I? 213\ 00:30:27.320 --> 00:30:28.959\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: I think Sue was before me. 214\ 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:30.640\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So he's Sue. 215\ 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:38.080\ Sue Burton: Yeah. Hello, everybody. I'm Sue Burton from Battletown Council. Just a number of comments to make. 216\ 00:30:38.320 --> 00:31:08.290\ Sue Burton: we declared. A climate emergency. But my Council wants to predominantly work on their carbon footprint, their estate, their buildings, their transport, and we have actually completed the local Government Association emissions, footprint report. We've done that 2 years now this year was better, you know, more accurate, and we're expanding our scope. 3. 217\ 00:31:08.470 --> 00:31:09.340\ Sue Burton: So 218\ 00:31:10.540 --> 00:31:32.099\ Sue Burton: I'm very interested to learn how we could bring in sequestration to offset and I was hoping today would help me, because the calculation I don't know if anybody's done that calculation with the Lga report. But you. 219\ 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:56.999\ Sue Burton: you're always coming to a hundred percent. So we get rid of our Diesel van and something else goes up. So because it's done on percentages. So it has its limitations. And I don't know how to take that forward. That was 1 point. And then what you're talking here is about your your community, the people, not just your 220\ 00:31:57.100 --> 00:32:20.020\ Sue Burton: your civil responsibilities, your buildings, etc. And I, we have the link with the community, and I would struggle to get my fellow councillors to say it's our responsibility to sort out the whole of our town and our carbon emissions. But we in the 221\ 00:32:20.020 --> 00:32:42.740\ Sue Burton: the committee that I share biodiversity carbon, sorry carbon and biodiversity. We push with the community groups trying to bring in new. But it's a that division between whose problem is it to solve? Much as I'd like to? We're stuck with getting our fellow councillors on board. 222\ 00:32:42.740 --> 00:32:53.130\ Sue Burton: but it feels like the great collaboration is, as it says, a great collaboration, and you want to go wide and look at your community as a whole. 223\ 00:32:53.520 --> 00:32:54.480\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yes, so. 224\ 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.840\ Sue Burton: Number of bits. Sorry, but I was really wanted to say all those bits. 225\ 00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:02.088\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Sue. That's fine, I must admit. I think. 226\ 00:33:03.010 --> 00:33:07.940\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: that approach by the councils slightly sort of delegating their responsibility. 227\ 00:33:08.070 --> 00:33:12.730\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I mean, you know, you're there to represent the community, not the council buildings. 228\ 00:33:13.398 --> 00:33:25.199\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and yes, handling and managing community building. Council buildings. Yes, that's a sort of you. Try and get that done as part of the leadership process of getting, you know, getting your house in order first.st 229\ 00:33:25.350 --> 00:33:30.720\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: But unless we address the community we might as well pack up and go home, because that's where the bulk of it's being generated. 230\ 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.280\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah. Gary. 231\ 00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:36.690\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Sorry. Yeah, thank you. 232\ 00:33:36.690 --> 00:33:42.890\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah. I'm gonna kind of disagree a little bit with you today, David. I'm I'm gonna echo. What Stuart and Sue have been saying 233\ 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:49.169\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: that I think, as as I kind of reiterate in my presentation. 234\ 00:33:49.370 --> 00:33:58.950\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: if you're aiming to get your parish to net 0 as a Town Council. You just don't have the authority, and you don't have the resources to make that happen, agreed. So 235\ 00:33:59.170 --> 00:34:10.079\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: I think it's much better to focus on like, say, getting your own house in order first.st And that's what we're doing at Caution Town Council. We're focusing on getting our organization to net 0. 236\ 00:34:10.219 --> 00:34:22.129\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: And we're also supporting the the wider community where we can to help them get to net 0. But that's not the kind of focus of our net 0 work. It's to get us to net 0, because that's what we. 237\ 00:34:22.130 --> 00:34:28.929\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: But in a way. But in a way, Gary, I mean, I absolutely hear where you go, and I completely agree with you. I'm not. I'm not disagreeing with you. 238\ 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:36.469\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I don't mean to be harboring of, you know, sort of negativity, but actually. 239\ 00:34:36.580 --> 00:34:44.580\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: the Council's just faffing about with a few buildings is going to make absolutely 0 difference in terms of Co 2 output 240\ 00:34:44.949 --> 00:34:46.050\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: in the round 241\ 00:34:47.870 --> 00:35:01.490\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and yes, there is an issue. But one of the things I'm hoping to do through this process is to expose the weaknesses, because, of course, part of the process of great collaboration is also to lobby. 242\ 00:35:02.036 --> 00:35:08.010\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Some of the the government structures, and if there's enough of a cohesive voice 243\ 00:35:08.762 --> 00:35:20.099\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: this lack of leadership from the center and lack of resource from the center might be exposed. Because you're absolutely right. Apart from 244\ 00:35:20.310 --> 00:35:25.219\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: enthusiasm and engagement, there is little or no funding. 245\ 00:35:25.810 --> 00:35:26.220\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Hmm. 246\ 00:35:26.220 --> 00:35:29.429\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: To support any of this activity 247\ 00:35:29.610 --> 00:35:32.970\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: at the tier. 3 local authority level. 248\ 00:35:33.710 --> 00:35:47.239\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, that's right. That's I mean you, you complete. Right, Dave. But I'm just talking like, you know, if you're talking about target setting where it's a target that's achievable for town council stuff. Then, trying to tackle the parishes overarching 249\ 00:35:48.187 --> 00:35:58.109\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: climate emissions is just way, and above beyond what we can actually do. But coming to your point about the the categories you've you've listed there. 250\ 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:08.620\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: I mean, if I was doing it from my point of view like, say, housing and stuff I would start with, kind of like my targets would be, how many houses can we insulate in the parish? How many houses. 251\ 00:36:08.620 --> 00:36:10.860\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Gary, I'm about. I'm about to go on to that. 252\ 00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:11.420\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Okay. 253\ 00:36:11.420 --> 00:36:16.069\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: If you could hang on to that. There is, there is. There is a logic to my. There is a madness to my logic. 254\ 00:36:16.070 --> 00:36:21.479\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Okay. I just say I wouldn't start. I wouldn't start with the carbon emissions per se as a target. I would. 255\ 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:21.959\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Well, I think. 256\ 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.640\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Targets, and then use them to kind of calculate what the. 257\ 00:36:25.640 --> 00:36:35.340\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: But maybe what we need to do is is part of the great collaboration work we need to do is to I've created a target. 258\ 00:36:35.680 --> 00:36:41.810\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: You're absolutely right. What we need to do is make, maybe what we need to do is create a realistic target. 259\ 00:36:43.490 --> 00:36:43.770\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Yup! 260\ 00:36:45.067 --> 00:36:47.572\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And that may be needing to 261\ 00:36:48.330 --> 00:36:52.620\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: calculate out things over which we have little or no control over. 262\ 00:36:52.970 --> 00:36:54.780\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: And also that kind of like 263\ 00:36:54.980 --> 00:37:09.500\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: helps in terms of like reluctant councils, saying, if you say like, what we're going to do is going to make 50 homes better insulated. That's maybe a target that councils can get more behind than saying, Oh, we're going to reduce our carbon emissions by by 20 tons or something. 264\ 00:37:09.500 --> 00:37:16.339\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah. So maybe one of the things that we will need to do in the future is to negotiate with things like the 265\ 00:37:17.020 --> 00:37:20.770\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: the webs, the impact tool and go to them and say, Look. 266\ 00:37:21.990 --> 00:37:30.549\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: you need to allow us to be able to extract stuff that is, frankly, you know, we, as a town or parish council, can do little or nothing about 267\ 00:37:32.324 --> 00:37:34.990\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: so, for example, you know, jets 268\ 00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:44.860\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: aircraft, we can do very little about major parts of transport we can do very little about. So we need to extract that from the figures. 269\ 00:37:45.921 --> 00:37:49.009\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: At least we now have a something 270\ 00:37:49.450 --> 00:37:52.870\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: to actually work with as opposed to a nothing. 271\ 00:37:56.210 --> 00:38:00.299\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Great! I've got some really really good points there, Graham. Sorry one 272\ 00:38:00.870 --> 00:38:14.299\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Just very quick point for Sue and Louise in that there have been several presentations in these sessions over the last couple of years about how effective it is to start at the community level 273\ 00:38:14.650 --> 00:38:29.949\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: and let them make the decision. So you go in and say not. This is what we need to do. But you go in and say so. What does anyone want to do? And by the time you've ended up with 15 or 20 volunteers who are fulfilling what they think is their plan. 274\ 00:38:29.980 --> 00:38:50.060\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: You're going to get a much better engagement, which sounds as very much as if Louise has done that in her very high up village. So I just mentioned the point that for those who are having trouble getting sufficient people engaged, then, starting from the community level up and getting them to make the decisions works. Very well, that's all. 275\ 00:38:50.330 --> 00:38:52.760\ Sue Burton: Can I? Can? I just reply. 276\ 00:38:53.486 --> 00:39:00.569\ Sue Burton: thank you. Good reminder. But and the other thing about the impact tool. 277\ 00:39:00.590 --> 00:39:23.449\ Sue Burton: which is very, I found frustrating because I have done a comparative report for my postal code for the last 2 years. And now our impact, our carbon emissions have gone down, but you can't find out why, you know there's no substance behind the why to then share with residents which you would want to do. 278\ 00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:30.420\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): They might have gone down because of national changes like that's cool. 279\ 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:33.750\ Sue Burton: Yeah, that's exactly what I concluded. But I. 280\ 00:39:33.750 --> 00:39:36.869\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Yeah, or more efficient vehicles or something. Yeah. 281\ 00:39:36.870 --> 00:39:37.830\ Sue Burton: Guess that. 282\ 00:39:37.830 --> 00:39:38.630\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Yeah, it's annoying. 283\ 00:39:38.630 --> 00:39:40.520\ Sue Burton: And help you. 284\ 00:39:40.520 --> 00:39:41.350\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): See what's working. 285\ 00:39:41.350 --> 00:39:42.450\ Sue Burton: Yeah. 286\ 00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:43.960\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Got that. 287\ 00:39:44.290 --> 00:39:50.179\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Sorry you might have done this before, but for the local authorities. Work that I've done. 288\ 00:39:51.790 --> 00:39:53.460\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): I mapped out what 289\ 00:39:53.590 --> 00:40:06.590\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): the levers were, so I looked at what there's an onion diagram I used in the 6th carbon budget and local authorities report which sadly didn't go down to the parish and town level, though you are at the bottom of a triangle 290\ 00:40:07.171 --> 00:40:16.790\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): which showed who's doing stuff. And then in that I looked at direct control policies. You control police 291\ 00:40:17.290 --> 00:40:23.200\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): sort of place based things which you come into. Sort of. You have a roll around place planning 292\ 00:40:23.970 --> 00:40:30.980\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): in that. You're a statutory consultee on planning applications and stuff. But then it went out into innovation. And 293\ 00:40:32.510 --> 00:40:49.209\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): you know, developing new things and then partnerships and community communication, which I think is very strong for the parish, so that you've got a touch point through all those things. And then you've got an overlap with your sort of local authority and national government stuff. So as you, if you. 294\ 00:40:49.510 --> 00:40:57.700\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): another way of slicing the pie would be to say, Well, we've got eco funding for houses or Eco flex coming through the local authority. 295\ 00:40:58.350 --> 00:41:24.879\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): How many of our houses are getting that? How much is our parish benefiting, or our town council benefiting from the the scheme that the local authority may be rolling out, and it'll bypass you. But it might be you could. It might be interesting to get that data and sort of say, hang on. Our area is missing out, because perhaps where I'm sat with a lot of stone houses hard to treat. What would a good insulated house 296\ 00:41:25.522 --> 00:41:39.759\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): which was affordable to run, look like in Hepton store. Well, do you then sort of say to the Town council, to the, to the local authority. Can we do one here as a show home? And then you, you work around that. And it sort of 297\ 00:41:39.970 --> 00:41:40.940\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): means 298\ 00:41:41.270 --> 00:41:47.960\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): because people learn from each other, don't they? They look at what that local builders doing? And they go. Oh, you've got a heat pump, can I come and look at it? 299\ 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.610\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): And so there's, I think, a really big role. 300\ 00:41:50.660 --> 00:42:05.190\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): You have an enabling what needs to happen. It's a soft sort of a soft way of doing it. I mean our parish. Stood up to Calde and said they would support a solar install on a conservation area and the town 301\ 00:42:05.190 --> 00:42:20.484\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Calderdale planners turned it down, which was really annoying, because we were like. We would rather have that in our village in a conservation area and tackle climate change and energy costs than sit here, preserved in aspect, looking pretty and being used for potato adverts. So 302\ 00:42:21.220 --> 00:42:26.940\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Do you have could you send us a copy of that onion thingy that you did. 303\ 00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:28.619\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Yeah, I'll find it. Yeah. 304\ 00:42:28.620 --> 00:42:32.270\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Do that, because I think this is the sort of stuff that we want to. 305\ 00:42:32.510 --> 00:42:34.779\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Yeah. Don't want to speak out trying to pile in on you. 306\ 00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:36.439\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: No, no, no, no, no. 307\ 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.549\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): To engage with it, aren't there. 308\ 00:42:38.550 --> 00:42:41.660\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Absolutely. And this is the whole purpose of this conversation. 309\ 00:42:41.970 --> 00:42:43.730\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): I'll find the onion. And now. 310\ 00:42:43.730 --> 00:42:51.839\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Right? Okay? So there's shed loads of stuff I've picked up from there loads of really really good stuff. 311\ 00:42:52.310 --> 00:42:58.580\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And it's going to take a little bit of thinking about how we weave this into the narrative, because all of it's damn useful 312\ 00:42:58.940 --> 00:42:59.480\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: right. 313\ 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:07.750\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Sorry can I ask, has have any of you Council people had any experience of using sill money for 314\ 00:43:08.020 --> 00:43:14.309\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: climate change, mitigation, or any activities related to what we're discussing today. 315\ 00:43:14.807 --> 00:43:18.520\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: No, because it's actually really difficult to try and find it. 316\ 00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:19.670\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And. 317\ 00:43:19.670 --> 00:43:25.710\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: You can only get sill money if you have a local plan in place 318\ 00:43:26.442 --> 00:43:38.110\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: and we haven't had an up to date local plan in place for years. But what we do get is s 1 0 6 money. 319\ 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.490\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Ogs. 1 0. 6. Sorry. 320\ 00:43:41.490 --> 00:43:45.549\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Section 106 of the Town and Country Planning Act. 321\ 00:43:45.720 --> 00:43:53.030\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: whereby, generally, larger developments negotiate with the planning authority 322\ 00:43:53.140 --> 00:44:00.039\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: on how much they can provide for local community sort of benefits. 323\ 00:44:00.310 --> 00:44:00.845\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: So 324\ 00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:01.950\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Okay. 325\ 00:44:02.721 --> 00:44:08.198\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I I just got 250,000 to help with. 326\ 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:14.440\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: a broader way, which I'm trying to construct from S. 1 0, 6. 327\ 00:44:15.600 --> 00:44:17.240\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Great Sue. 328\ 00:44:17.650 --> 00:44:24.660\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Well, I mean we've got a load of sill money, but I'm up against people saying, Oh, you can't use it for that, you know. So it would be good idea to put. 329\ 00:44:24.660 --> 00:44:35.760\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: As far as I'm aware. You can use the sill money unlike the S. 1 0. 6 the s. 1 0. 6 has to be reasonably closely associated with the development 330\ 00:44:36.570 --> 00:44:42.370\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: sell money? And I think the town and Parish councils 331\ 00:44:42.580 --> 00:44:50.130\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: get 25% if they have a Neighborhood plan in place of the sale money which has been collected 332\ 00:44:50.270 --> 00:44:53.541\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: and the the sill money is a set 333\ 00:44:54.448 --> 00:44:59.230\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: a set amount based on the floor area of the development. 334\ 00:44:59.580 --> 00:45:01.190\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm not. 335\ 00:45:01.300 --> 00:45:16.339\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Can I sorry, guys, can I just put, can I just pause because funding is is absolutely huge. But we I don't want to go too down, down too many funding rabbit holes. It's going to be big. I'll come to it in a sec, if I may. 336\ 00:45:17.146 --> 00:45:20.520\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Jay, Sue. Sorry you had your hand up for a while. 337\ 00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:23.679\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Sorry, Sue. You're on mute. 338\ 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:45.510\ Sue Burton: Sorry mine was about sill money battle town council in East Sussex. We do have a neighbourhood plan, and we've used sill money to change the light bulbs in our lump in our lamps in the street, lighting to Led. Yes, and that was, you know, big money. When you've got to change a lot of bulbs. 339\ 00:45:45.650 --> 00:45:46.230\ Sue Burton: you might. 340\ 00:45:46.230 --> 00:45:48.371\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Think I think Stuart also. 341\ 00:45:49.310 --> 00:45:53.360\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I did some research. I think you can use S. 1 0, 6 on 342\ 00:45:53.950 --> 00:45:58.460\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: net 0 initiatives as well. 343\ 00:45:58.898 --> 00:46:05.789\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I'll need to reach. Recheck that, but I think there are options. I'll just. I'll put s. 1 0 6. 344\ 00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:11.140\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I've I've captured Sillan s. 106. So we can drill into that later. Because. 345\ 00:46:11.290 --> 00:46:14.750\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: as you see, as we go through this process, funding 346\ 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.830\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: is important. In fact, it's critical, because without it we can achieve very little. 347\ 00:46:21.265 --> 00:46:25.410\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Okay, I want to move away from this slide, if I may 348\ 00:46:26.930 --> 00:46:30.079\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and move on to the next bit of the process. So 349\ 00:46:30.510 --> 00:46:38.679\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: we've had a go at identifying some form of a target. And I completely agree with Gary that we 350\ 00:46:38.830 --> 00:46:43.779\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: need to make it realistic. And it needs to be, you know, achievable 351\ 00:46:44.508 --> 00:46:50.680\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: based on what we can actually do and have influence over. So that's a really good piece that we've picked out of that. 352\ 00:46:52.070 --> 00:46:56.860\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Even within that target there will be areas where we can actually make a difference. 353\ 00:46:57.390 --> 00:47:01.429\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And I'm for the sake of this discussion. 354\ 00:47:01.740 --> 00:47:14.229\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I'm simply going to look at housing as the next step, because I think with my parish, I think that that is probably the easiest thing we can wrap our heads around and start to make a difference. 355\ 00:47:14.950 --> 00:47:15.800\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So 356\ 00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:25.559\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: one of the things we need to do is to try and create some sort of structure that allows us to 357\ 00:47:25.770 --> 00:47:36.989\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: work our way to dealing with reducing carbon emissions in a logical, unmanageable way. And 358\ 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.840\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I've simply used this format 359\ 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:52.900\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: to show that we're going to do with housing to start off with, and then we'll start to work. Maybe with transport industrial sector. It doesn't matter. It's entirely up to the Council. 360\ 00:47:53.130 --> 00:48:21.160\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: in which order they want to to approach the problems. It may be that we're missing something. So, as Gary put in, and for towns more than parishes. They have their own building infrastructure, and therefore they're going to make that their primary target to start off with. It's not a problem. It's just that you've got a list of things that you're going to deal with, and that we're going to start to work our way through trying to solve what them in a logical and sensible fashion. 361\ 00:48:22.250 --> 00:48:31.090\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so the the if we imagine we're back in the web page now. So we've gone down the the council. We're going to net 0. 362\ 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:41.330\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: We've got a little bit of something that's allowed us to to target set, and then we've got something that's helping us to shape the priorities in which we're going to deal with the issues. 363\ 00:48:42.260 --> 00:48:52.840\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And we've got the resources that we can then pull down to then make it absolutely applicable to the environment and the area that we we're living in, because we're all different. 364\ 00:48:54.170 --> 00:49:02.080\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Now, one of the things I do want to point out is that as part of the the work we did with our District Council and and others involved. 365\ 00:49:03.230 --> 00:49:13.900\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: is that without access to local green power, generation and local distribution of power. 366\ 00:49:14.310 --> 00:49:20.549\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Many of the things that we want to try and achieve in any of these big sort of sector areas 367\ 00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:27.280\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: are going to be challenging without cheap electricity. 368\ 00:49:28.040 --> 00:49:35.740\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: We're a society that exists off electricity, and that's not going to go away. That's just going to get worse. 369\ 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.290\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So we need to work out. How do we generate? 370\ 00:49:38.600 --> 00:49:46.410\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And somebody also brought up the point about sequestration. And also, you know, offsetting carbon. 371\ 00:49:47.033 --> 00:49:53.889\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: How do we do that. And how do we link our biodiversity and tree planting strategies into 372\ 00:49:54.200 --> 00:49:55.599\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: making a dent? But 373\ 00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:03.170\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: remember, the sequestration process is going to make, you know, one or 2% difference. It's not going to be 374\ 00:50:03.350 --> 00:50:05.409\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: a massive change. 375\ 00:50:06.313 --> 00:50:12.130\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: There are other issues. We've already discussed resources funding. Still. So 106 people 376\ 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.039\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: how to enthuse people, how to engage people 377\ 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:25.799\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and local partnerships, both with other parish councils, town councils with community groups, various other factions coming into it? 378\ 00:50:26.665 --> 00:50:31.039\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so we're being led now into a structure 379\ 00:50:31.847 --> 00:50:37.830\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and then from that we can then link into all sorts of different areas. 380\ 00:50:38.314 --> 00:50:50.575\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Depending on where we want to go, and at a local level we can download this and manipulate it to make it suitable to us. Now, Graham, did you have I noticed your hand was up. Sorry. 381\ 00:50:50.890 --> 00:51:02.330\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Yeah, it was overtaken by a comment in the chat from Louise about how one of the great advantages of your community energy facility is that it pours money back into the community. 382\ 00:51:02.500 --> 00:51:02.940\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Hey, Josh. 383\ 00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:06.130\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, overseas: Does generate the cash that you can need to do other things. 384\ 00:51:06.130 --> 00:51:13.860\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Absolutely. And if you notice in terms of its sequencing, it's 1 of the 1st things that we want to try and get into place 385\ 00:51:14.448 --> 00:51:19.330\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: along with starting to work on dealing with it. So we've got a structure. 386\ 00:51:19.590 --> 00:51:27.019\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And what this leads to is a a much more refined structure 387\ 00:51:27.220 --> 00:51:44.109\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: that allows us to then start to hang stuff on the on the tree if you like. So we've got the big roadmap which is giving us, you know the big where we're trying to go to. And then each one of these individual areas has its own roadmap because they're actually quite complicated. 388\ 00:51:44.240 --> 00:51:49.899\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: you know, if you just want to look at housing alone, there's a myriad of issues that we need to deal with. 389\ 00:51:50.844 --> 00:51:57.129\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so each one of those is linked to a a sub roadmap. 390\ 00:51:57.550 --> 00:52:11.390\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and each of the the components within the roadmap is eventually linked to a detailed action plan step by step process that we can actually do some stuff as opposed to talking about stuff. 391\ 00:52:12.410 --> 00:52:27.170\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and I'll I'll come to that. And of course they're all linked hyperlinked. So the whole web is is created around this structure. Now, I'm not saying it would use these particular arrows, or anything like that. It's just a way of actually sort of linking the whole thing together. 392\ 00:52:28.550 --> 00:52:35.639\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So if we now ex move into the domestic component and explore that in a little bit more detail. 393\ 00:52:36.060 --> 00:52:40.675\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So what we thought, and I'm not saying that we've got any 394\ 00:52:42.070 --> 00:52:45.289\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: you know this is the right way to do it. It's just a way to do it. 395\ 00:52:45.490 --> 00:52:46.883\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Is that 396\ 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.709\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: The 1st thing that we need to do is understand the the housing stock 397\ 00:52:52.340 --> 00:53:09.670\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: on where we need to invest time and energy in. Because if you've got houses that are, you know, have a certification of A or B. Then, frankly, there's no point engaging with them, because they're as good as they're going to get pretty well. 398\ 00:53:09.670 --> 00:53:14.240\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Or you can say to those ones, Get yourself a heat pump and get the boiler upgrade scheme. 399\ 00:53:14.520 --> 00:53:20.440\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I'll come on to that. I'll come on to that, because that is as you can see, the replace of the the boiler. 400\ 00:53:21.004 --> 00:53:23.609\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: If it works for your building. 401\ 00:53:27.010 --> 00:53:34.330\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and so one of the 1st things we got to do is is, look at the certification across a parish. 402\ 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:42.239\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and then the next thing is, once you've got that you've got to try and stop people losing heat for those houses with 403\ 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:44.300\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: D and below. 404\ 00:53:44.470 --> 00:53:46.879\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So that's how do we improve the installation? 405\ 00:53:47.300 --> 00:53:51.779\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Then there are houses still working on primarily electrical systems. 406\ 00:53:52.100 --> 00:54:01.820\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So how do we actually replace those using much more efficient approaches? And then finally, the elephant in the room is about, how do we replace gas boilers? 407\ 00:54:02.359 --> 00:54:07.810\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And I'm just going to go off a slight detour here, because I think what 408\ 00:54:08.680 --> 00:54:15.300\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: the collaboration website also needs to produce it will link us to is the 409\ 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:22.359\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: best evidence on what is the most suitable way of mitigating this particular capability. 410\ 00:54:22.520 --> 00:54:25.640\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: because it's not a 1. Size fits all solution. 411\ 00:54:25.930 --> 00:54:31.630\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: There. There may be, you know, a flat in a town 412\ 00:54:32.020 --> 00:54:36.540\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: may need a completely different solution to a 6 bedroom mansion 413\ 00:54:36.820 --> 00:54:39.110\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: sat in the middle of the countryside somewhere. 414\ 00:54:41.164 --> 00:54:47.830\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so I think there needs to be a lot of thought about how best 415\ 00:54:48.330 --> 00:54:54.840\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: to deal with this issue. And the website is there to help us make that decision? 416\ 00:54:55.428 --> 00:55:02.390\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Because, you know, every decision is going to be unique, depending on the blended mix of housing and various other things. Gary, come on in. 417\ 00:55:05.190 --> 00:55:08.030\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, David, I just wanted to suggest that 418\ 00:55:08.210 --> 00:55:11.529\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: also you could look at it from the other point of view. 419\ 00:55:11.930 --> 00:55:32.709\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: You could look at what you could do that would work for your parish, I mean, would your parish be more interested in more insulation for their properties? Would they be more open to like things like heat pumps or solar panels, and, you know, tackle the issue from that point of view rather than looking at what is the best 420\ 00:55:32.910 --> 00:55:40.889\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: things to get the get the emissions down. What would be the most kind of like, you know best way to kind of engage. 421\ 00:55:40.890 --> 00:55:42.449\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Our plan would be 422\ 00:55:42.600 --> 00:55:47.699\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: 1st of all to find out which houses and we're dealing with the housing stock here. 423\ 00:55:48.270 --> 00:55:54.700\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Which houses we need to focus our time and effort on Number one, so 424\ 00:55:54.880 --> 00:56:01.940\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: that would then be the 1st pop conversation with the the house. The the owners of the houses would be 425\ 00:56:02.130 --> 00:56:03.979\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: how to improve the insulation. 426\ 00:56:06.890 --> 00:56:07.230\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yes. 427\ 00:56:07.230 --> 00:56:11.523\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: That's the bit, and so it's it's 428\ 00:56:13.070 --> 00:56:19.560\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: It would be on a you know, if you went to a house, and they were they were, and they want to talk about 429\ 00:56:20.030 --> 00:56:33.195\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Oh, yeah, we'd really like to do it. But we'd also like to do get off gas as well. So there's a conversation to be had there. It's not a single, you know. We don't have to be ruthlessly structured down this particular way of doing it. 430\ 00:56:34.330 --> 00:56:49.630\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And if there are individuals who really want to to drive ahead, that's fantastic. But it's trying to get the rank and file who are on the I'm completely uninterested to. I'm vaguely interested. Starting to engage in the conversation. 431\ 00:56:51.490 --> 00:56:52.540\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah. 432\ 00:56:52.540 --> 00:56:58.309\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: And that's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, if you, if you've got an idea for your town or parish. 433\ 00:56:58.310 --> 00:56:59.070\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah. 434\ 00:56:59.070 --> 00:57:07.070\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: That would be more susceptible, as kind of, you know. People would be more willing to listen to to hear about it, then that 435\ 00:57:07.070 --> 00:57:09.899\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: oh, yeah, yeah, escape to go for if you. 436\ 00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:16.090\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: if you think like, you know, oh, heat pumps would have the biggest carbon impact for our for all 437\ 00:57:16.240 --> 00:57:24.940\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: for our community. But then, you know, nobody would be very, very much interested. But if you said like, you know, oh, okay, we can put loft, insure loft, loft, insulation. 438\ 00:57:24.940 --> 00:57:25.390\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Absolutely. 439\ 00:57:25.390 --> 00:57:30.849\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: And, do you know, help support that that kind of thing, and you get quite a big uptake. 440\ 00:57:30.850 --> 00:57:45.039\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: A absolutely. I'll come on to that in a bit more detail, Gary, because I'll go through that in some more detail in a second, because we're far from driving down into the detail which we're going to need. Louise. Sorry. 441\ 00:57:46.330 --> 00:57:54.700\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Yeah, yeah, I can see your, we. We've got the kind of whether we start with the people or whether we start with the data, haven't we going on? So I'm just thinking. 442\ 00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:56.050\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I think you need to do both. 443\ 00:57:56.050 --> 00:57:58.950\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Yeah, both at once with agility, isn't it? Which is. 444\ 00:57:58.950 --> 00:57:59.600\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Absolutely. 445\ 00:57:59.600 --> 00:58:16.160\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): You will see you'll be able to see. So if I was parish councillor at Blakesley, which is an off gas place in Northamptonshire. You can see more and more heat pumps going in, and that is because a few core people in that village have had them installed successfully. They were on expensive 446\ 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:24.040\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): dirty oil aging boilers, and there's a fantastic local installer. So it's like my. 447\ 00:58:24.040 --> 00:58:24.410\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Wow! 448\ 00:58:24.410 --> 00:58:30.389\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Her eighties went to see someone else in her seventies and went well. Rita's got one, and it's working very well, and she showed me. 449\ 00:58:31.310 --> 00:58:31.740\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Absolutely. 450\ 00:58:31.740 --> 00:59:00.180\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Done, and they go out to her. And now her neighbors done it, and that installer has stuck by them and comes and programs it for her every winter. So you've got the Peer group thing. So at that point the parish really needs to go. We see this happening. Let's get an open day together, and and actually they didn't install a lot more insulation. They were good enough. So you don't have to have super super amazing house to get them get that right? So there's definitely something there about opportunistic. And the boiler upgrades. 451\ 00:59:00.180 --> 00:59:01.870\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Oh, oh, absolutely this, I think. 452\ 00:59:01.870 --> 00:59:02.220\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Yeah. 453\ 00:59:02.220 --> 00:59:06.559\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Whilst we can try to provide a structure. What we're dealing with is chaos. 454\ 00:59:06.820 --> 00:59:14.760\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And and I think that all we're trying to do is create a framework around that which the chaos can generate. 455\ 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:16.400\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): Yeah, like, checklists, I suppose? 456\ 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:16.770\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I 457\ 00:59:17.190 --> 00:59:25.509\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: absolutely, absolutely so. So we come into this bit. And there there are links. So there are detailed links into action cards for each one of these areas. 458\ 00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:30.500\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And again, these action cards are not fixed in tablets of stone. They're just solution, stop. 459\ 00:59:31.040 --> 00:59:37.770\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So if we move into an action card here. So we're dealing with the sap score. 460\ 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:42.649\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So the 1st thing I had to deal with is my parish Council. 461\ 00:59:43.620 --> 00:59:52.299\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and there's a question about how do you deal with your parish? How do you engage them? How do you bring them on side? How do you infuse that? 462\ 00:59:52.720 --> 00:59:56.949\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And I know that Graham has had some great speakers. 463\ 00:59:57.110 --> 01:00:15.400\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and this is where you know how best to do. It would be fabulous if we could then link that to. You know best practice. You know, where people have found working that creating a net 0 or a carbon reduction team getting some volunteers. How do you do that? 464\ 01:00:16.081 --> 01:00:22.380\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: How do you train them? So that when they, when they are actually engaging with people that they're talking 465\ 01:00:22.912 --> 01:00:27.340\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: good sense, and they're not going to be leading people astray. 466\ 01:00:27.490 --> 01:00:38.640\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So there's a bunch of stuff where we need to link information resources to allow us to even just do action, one which is engage the Parish Council 467\ 01:00:39.300 --> 01:00:45.869\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Action 2 is understanding the problem. So I know I've got a certain amount of housing stock. 468\ 01:00:47.010 --> 01:00:53.420\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: But which ones? Have that have Epc. Scores which don't. What? What value are they 469\ 01:00:53.860 --> 01:00:55.280\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: now? There are tools out there. 470\ 01:00:55.630 --> 01:01:00.977\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So, for example, if I go here, this is my parish, and this is the 471\ 01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:06.160\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: the epc ratings. 472\ 01:01:06.664 --> 01:01:15.030\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: You can see up the top there, which is outside of my parish brand new estate which has gone up. They're all absolutely hunky, Dory. 473\ 01:01:15.160 --> 01:01:25.459\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Some older stock here, but you can see the older village itself. The older parish is a right mix, but what you don't see are the number of houses that have no Epc. Score whatsoever. 474\ 01:01:26.220 --> 01:01:29.880\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So when we come back, having done that analysis 475\ 01:01:30.690 --> 01:01:34.650\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: we can then go back to this and go. 476\ 01:01:35.430 --> 01:01:41.920\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: How do we improve the sap score? How do we actually get everybody up? So we know what we're dealing with? 477\ 01:01:42.160 --> 01:01:43.250\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so 478\ 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:50.489\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: we've got to do some work about getting engaged with people to get that sap scores. Now, how do we do that? Can we do that at parish level 479\ 01:01:51.120 --> 01:01:56.880\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: where we we get a contractor to come in, because, of course, there's economies of scale. 480\ 01:01:57.100 --> 01:02:05.440\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: How do we fund it? So could I use the S. 106. Could I use sill money? Could I use a grant from the District Council? Could I do whatever? 481\ 01:02:05.580 --> 01:02:09.560\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So again, we need? We need advice on how best to resource that money. 482\ 01:02:10.120 --> 01:02:15.110\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): You might actually, you might be able to get that through the energy advice thing. Because if you absolutely 483\ 01:02:15.110 --> 01:02:17.550\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): and me eco, then you can get paid for it. 484\ 01:02:17.550 --> 01:02:20.249\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah, absolutely. But that needs to be linked to the website. 485\ 01:02:20.490 --> 01:02:20.910\ Louise Marix Evans, Quantum Strategy & Technology (Calderdale): And. 486\ 01:02:20.910 --> 01:02:25.249\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so I can then go to the website. It tells me how I can source the money to do that. 487\ 01:02:25.450 --> 01:02:26.040\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Yeah. 488\ 01:02:26.040 --> 01:02:29.379\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so once we've got the sap scores done. 489\ 01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:51.709\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: they are then uploaded onto the national system, which then refreshes these information sources which allows us to then work. So then we can then work out, because from that we want to go back to. So we got the sap schools. We know what we're going to do. So we're going to go back to here, and we're going to improve insulation. 490\ 01:02:53.040 --> 01:02:56.770\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I'm not saying you are. But I mean, just say for the story. So we're going to do that. 491\ 01:02:57.020 --> 01:03:00.810\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And we've looked at the information source that we've got on the website. 492\ 01:03:01.160 --> 01:03:04.559\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: which shows us that you know, 25% through the roof. 493\ 01:03:04.680 --> 01:03:17.920\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: 35% is through the walls, and and so on, and so and so forth. So what's the best way. Well, cavity wall insulation. And if you then look at the environmental design and engineering data 494\ 01:03:18.500 --> 01:03:22.529\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: again, Linkedin to their website pulled in 495\ 01:03:23.163 --> 01:03:29.399\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Which shows by far the most effective are simply cavity, wall, insulation and loft insulation. 496\ 01:03:29.950 --> 01:03:30.790\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: That's it. 497\ 01:03:31.020 --> 01:03:40.829\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: If you want to go for the big stuff like solid wall insulation, external internal or floor insulation. You're talking seriously, big bucks. 498\ 01:03:41.527 --> 01:03:44.870\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and you know, massively long payback periods. 499\ 01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:50.869\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So you would make a decision about where you're going to focus. 500\ 01:03:50.990 --> 01:03:57.829\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: You know, the the homeowners and the Council's scarce resources. 501\ 01:03:58.300 --> 01:03:59.240\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So. 502\ 01:03:59.500 --> 01:04:07.970\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and the other thing, when I picked up from one of Graham's talks, who was actually talking about the whole insulation piece 503\ 01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:15.939\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: was, the issue of all the stuff that people put up in their attics. 504\ 01:04:16.740 --> 01:04:25.590\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: How do you move it around? Because often the contractors are not willing to move the stuff in the attics around. 505\ 01:04:25.870 --> 01:04:29.819\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: so they they want a clean attic in order to lay the insulation down. 506\ 01:04:30.140 --> 01:04:33.229\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So how do, how do you actually address that particular problem? 507\ 01:04:34.298 --> 01:04:37.249\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so if we could come back to 508\ 01:04:37.390 --> 01:04:49.230\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: here? So we've linked on that that's taken to the action card. The action card links us to a whole bunch of resources to be able to do that. We then link on that which takes us to another action card. 509\ 01:04:49.780 --> 01:04:55.719\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: for example, about insulation which work needs to be done to complete that 510\ 01:04:56.010 --> 01:04:59.109\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: again linking of resources, so that 511\ 01:04:59.960 --> 01:05:08.769\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: as we move down particular journeys. All the resources that we need is at our fingertips because they're on the. They're all linked into the website 512\ 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:15.580\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: so that you can go away and generate your plan. And and if we get the website designed really, elegantly. 513\ 01:05:15.850 --> 01:05:21.040\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: actually, what we want to do is minimize the amount of time writing about stuff 514\ 01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:25.709\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and actually maximize the amount of time doing stuff. 515\ 01:05:26.260 --> 01:05:28.000\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Couldn't agree more. 516\ 01:05:29.660 --> 01:05:33.080\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Because it's the doing that matters, not the talking about it. 517\ 01:05:33.984 --> 01:05:40.179\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so we would. Each of these would be built up for each of the areas. 518\ 01:05:40.740 --> 01:05:45.689\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And then I'll put you on to the final slide, which is goes back to 519\ 01:05:46.870 --> 01:05:51.910\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: This will up here, which is increasing local ground, powered distribution. 520\ 01:05:52.100 --> 01:06:00.968\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And that is about creating a structure. So, for example, we're in consultation with 521\ 01:06:02.470 --> 01:06:25.289\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: one of the companies that allow will allow us to do this solar energy structure. We're just waiting for them to get the funding, and then, as soon as we've got that, we will be going hard over to try and achieve as much of the housing stock, and they are developing a capability which allows 522\ 01:06:26.303 --> 01:06:34.790\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: they look at all the the roof, the roofs, and they could. They can work out how much energy you can generate by putting panels onto people's roofs 523\ 01:06:35.640 --> 01:06:48.170\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and how much storage you need. So it's all quite clever. But one of the other areas we again talking about agility, Louise, where you suddenly think, Oh, here's an opportunity. We discovered this funding available 524\ 01:06:48.290 --> 01:06:51.040\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: to put in ground mounted solar systems. 525\ 01:06:52.040 --> 01:06:55.470\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So what we want to do is to 526\ 01:06:55.873 --> 01:07:09.370\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: put in solar panels for houses, that where it's going to be very difficult, or, or frankly, not worth putting solar panels on because they're covered in trees, or because of the way in which they're the roof structure, or the way in which they're orientated 527\ 01:07:09.730 --> 01:07:28.229\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and provide ground mounted solar to compensate. But what we want to do is to run it along the sounds on this, the south facing field edges. So we're not taking any agricultural land out. We're simply just using the edge of a field 528\ 01:07:29.350 --> 01:07:31.569\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: on the south facing field edges. 529\ 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:44.760\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: We also want to look at Agrovoltaics, which is this diagram here slightly higher, so you can still plant, and you can still use the ground underneath it. 530\ 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:50.520\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: but we can still generate significant amounts of electricity, because we've got a lot of 531\ 01:07:51.220 --> 01:07:56.020\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: land that is, that is green, but is pretty much unused. 532\ 01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.050\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Hmm. 533\ 01:07:57.370 --> 01:08:02.959\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so what we want to try and do is sort of exploit all of that, and to do it quickly. 534\ 01:08:04.059 --> 01:08:10.199\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And then build it over time, so that we become certainly during the summer. 535\ 01:08:10.370 --> 01:08:16.340\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: a net exporter of electricity. If our, if the local power grid will actually allow us to do that? 536\ 01:08:18.083 --> 01:08:24.139\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so this would be linked into 537\ 01:08:24.270 --> 01:08:30.279\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: the concept. And then a much more detailed plan in terms of how you go about doing it. 538\ 01:08:31.310 --> 01:08:32.140\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So 539\ 01:08:32.590 --> 01:08:44.820\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: this is, this is if I can just make even in my own head, this is about how we create the web structure. The website that helps us lead us through these these various journeys 540\ 01:08:44.970 --> 01:08:48.059\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: allows us to be incredibly flexible and dynamic. 541\ 01:08:48.180 --> 01:08:53.500\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So if an opportunity arises, for example, ground mounted solar panels. 542\ 01:08:53.850 --> 01:09:00.010\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: then we can jump straight into that particular space and then facilitate the development of that. 543\ 01:09:01.410 --> 01:09:01.930\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Thank you. 544\ 01:09:01.930 --> 01:09:03.719\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Do you know, I'm sorry to interrupt. 545\ 01:09:03.729 --> 01:09:04.819\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah, that's right. Jay, yeah. 546\ 01:09:05.169 --> 01:09:30.719\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: District district network operators. How receptive are they to very large systems? We've got 21 Pv panels. And I know we had to go through a process in order to gain acceptance for their installation. But if you've got, I think this is a 13 kilowatt system something like that. But if you've got, I don't know several 100 panels. Does this cause a bit of a hiccup with the Dns. 547\ 01:09:31.070 --> 01:09:37.020\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: It, it can do. It depends entirely on the infrastructure they put into place. So for us. 548\ 01:09:37.160 --> 01:09:46.600\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: where we've got some pretty Heath Robinson systems in place. Until recently we were having power outages 549\ 01:09:46.950 --> 01:09:50.179\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: 3, 4 times a year, due to the 550\ 01:09:50.180 --> 01:09:52.359\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: flaky nature of the the network. 551\ 01:09:53.244 --> 01:09:57.117\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: It may be that we we can. They can deal with 552\ 01:09:57.930 --> 01:10:04.030\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: kilowatts. They might be able to deal with a megawatt, but anything more than that would simply overload the system. 553\ 01:10:04.030 --> 01:10:05.030\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Yeah, exactly. 554\ 01:10:05.030 --> 01:10:13.159\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So so. There is a negotiation to be had with the the providers of the the backbone, but I mean 555\ 01:10:14.050 --> 01:10:29.089\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: at least it gives us a conversation start point. And if that means that we have to to really lobby and drive the the Dnas to actually provide us with the backbone that we require, or we create, a parallel backbone. 556\ 01:10:29.710 --> 01:10:34.560\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Hmm! Do we have to get national grid engaged in these conversations? 557\ 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:36.539\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Not at a local level. I don't think. 558\ 01:10:36.540 --> 01:10:45.910\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: No, I mean, I just wondered what they were actually doing at the moment to enhance the flow of electricity into their systems as opposed to out of. 559\ 01:10:45.910 --> 01:10:47.846\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely 560\ 01:10:48.440 --> 01:10:57.840\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: okay, I. We're we're past the witching hour of of one o'clock, and we've had a a really useful and an effective conversation. 561\ 01:10:58.394 --> 01:11:24.450\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Graham, can I pass it back to you as the sort of chair to to sort of, and perhaps with you and Andrew really to, because this is ultimately for your benefit. All of our benefit. But the collaboration benefit, particularly in terms of are we heading in the right direction is is this something we really want to get our, our, our shoulder behind? Or do we need to look at it from a different perspective? 562\ 01:11:24.450 --> 01:11:34.079\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Okay. Well, today, Michael, I'm being Graham stolit stones because he he's had to leave us. But I'm here. As you know, David, we have 563\ 01:11:34.280 --> 01:12:03.690\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: in terms of gathering and sharing good practice and signposting people to ways forward. That's very much what the great collaboration is about. We have, and we're in the process of doing a 1st upgrade of our website, which will include a whole section, as you know, on this issue of carbon reduction. What you've been describing today will certainly would certainly fit into that clear. There's a capable of influence expansion here as to how we go forward with producing all the action cars and getting all the information up together. 564\ 01:12:04.044 --> 01:12:09.200\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So there's 2 ways that it's going to be can be made well, 3 ways can be made exceptional one is through. 565\ 01:12:09.310 --> 01:12:30.439\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: you know, an iterative process for a website. We're also having a Wikipedia, a Gate knowledge base which has got all this information onto people could actually see, search for and find the particular bits they want more quickly, plus, of course, obviously, events like this and and individual training and so forth. As far as the national grid is concerned. 566\ 01:12:30.962 --> 01:12:38.790\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: There is a lot of discussion at parliamentary level about allowing people to sell electricity directly to other people 567\ 01:12:38.810 --> 01:13:07.929\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: at the moment. We're sort of obliged to go through at least assisting energy suppliers and using the national grid. And in some cases, of course the substations are not up for it. I believe around the country there is a plan for upgrading the places where it's not yet sufficiently capable, but I think it's going to take a few years before everywhere is reached. So there's different ways that that can be approached in terms of the gathering and sharing. Nhst, but it's very much. Yes, at the top of a lot of people's agendas. 568\ 01:13:08.498 --> 01:13:16.830\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: I'm sorry I was late arrival on parade today, but that was talking to another discussion about flood risk management for parishes. So it's all happening now. 569\ 01:13:17.330 --> 01:13:24.230\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: We've had Louise. I don't know if she explained who she is, she's very much involved at national level in terms of the 570\ 01:13:24.710 --> 01:13:30.779\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Government's adaptation panel. And she's she's heavily engaged in in producing a lot of strategic 571\ 01:13:30.900 --> 01:13:35.709\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: items of strategic support. So I'm very glad she was able to be with us today. 572\ 01:13:36.372 --> 01:13:42.827\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Now, we've got obviously present company. They may have some particular things to talk about that we haven't covered yet. 573\ 01:13:43.410 --> 01:14:00.210\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Is anybody wanted to start a conversation about that? I'll have a quick look in the chat and see what what might be coming from. There's been some stuff about having heat pumps installed. Sue is. So you're saying. Sometimes it's taking a bit of a while, and. 574\ 01:14:00.210 --> 01:14:00.630\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Do that. 575\ 01:14:00.630 --> 01:14:08.559\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Whether you've got a good installer or not. Any things they want to share. Stuart, you've got you've had some installation in your place, haven't you? 576\ 01:14:09.866 --> 01:14:18.999\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Yes, I I've got cavity wall, insulation a loft conversion. So that's all very well insulated. 577\ 01:14:19.160 --> 01:14:24.319\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: And I did get planning permission to get double glazed windows, so I've got those as well. 578\ 01:14:24.610 --> 01:14:30.460\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: So, being fairly well insulated I I have now got 4 heat pumps. 579\ 01:14:30.950 --> 01:14:32.730\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Oh, wow! One for every day. 580\ 01:14:32.730 --> 01:14:33.850\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Do various things. 581\ 01:14:34.650 --> 01:14:35.450\ Sue Burton: Okay. 582\ 01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:50.359\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: I think that's a good point that was made earlier about. There are different houses, I mean. I've got a traditional house in the Forest of Dean, where there's good old forest stone making around the walls. If there isn't, I don't think there is a cavity to to fill in, but it's pretty solid. 583\ 01:14:50.710 --> 01:15:17.279\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So the idea of having an action card, whatever you want to call it for each type of building strikes me as useful. There are going to be issues around funding. Of course there are, and I think, particularly at parish level, the more we can provide ways of saying, Well, let's club together. On this can we find ways of doing that? This is part of the larger scheme of things, because particularly as and when district councils disappear, which the present Government has a plan to do. 584\ 01:15:17.570 --> 01:15:24.159\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Parish and town councils were very much more closely identified as being the nearest local government to the community. 585\ 01:15:24.330 --> 01:15:38.949\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: What that will mean, in terms of what extra things we get invited to do or told to do. That's all being into discussion at the moment, but certainly, if in terms of getting together with people say in a neighborhood, say in a street of of houses that need working, getting things happening locally. 586\ 01:15:39.220 --> 01:16:03.289\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: that's like as likely to be with a with a local parish or town council. Anybody else, on the other hand, again parish and down Clarks, I was 8 years as a clerk are pretty busy guys, and there's the councils of things to do as well. So actually working with the community. I think that was mentioned earlier to getting some group activity going is very, very important as well. That's certainly something I say all the time. So 587\ 01:16:03.290 --> 01:16:11.849\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: to ways in which we're doing that is good things to share. Has anybody here got some feedback to share about how they might have worked with their 588\ 01:16:12.270 --> 01:16:18.510\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: accounts, with their council and local council and parish parish council and communities working together. And if we've got any stories on that 589\ 01:16:20.940 --> 01:16:23.099\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: sorry, not positive ones. 590\ 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:26.475\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: All right. Okay, let's have the negative one. 591\ 01:16:26.830 --> 01:16:46.320\ Sue Burton: If I can say so on our climate and Ecology Subcommittee, which is town council. We've got community members, and we always feature what's going on in the community. How can we support advertising? Is all a high priority for sharing with the residents. 592\ 01:16:46.680 --> 01:17:14.879\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Right. That the if you're a subcommittee of the Council, that's great, because well, there's 2 things, isn't it? You're following standing orders, but you can also make strong recommendations to your full council for funding the other model which some parishes do is having a more informal working group, and it depends. So you don't have those connections. But perhaps you don't have to be quite so strict about the way you manage your meetings and so forth. So there are different ways of doing it. But I think in terms of continuity, once you've got people interested. 593\ 01:17:15.379 --> 01:17:22.290\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: then it'd be good to find these models to keep them keep them going. I mean some projects and some initiatives 594\ 01:17:22.430 --> 01:17:41.359\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: have their time, and they're dying back again, and they start up again. We don't necessarily expect them to last forever. But the thing is, my perception is that or my hope is that the more we get people working together on things locally, that they will be then better used to doing that, and then, if we get any real trouble coming down the road at us, they will be better able to to deal with it. 595\ 01:17:43.120 --> 01:17:43.970\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Jane. 596\ 01:17:44.140 --> 01:17:47.459\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Andrew. One positive thing, one of our 597\ 01:17:47.710 --> 01:17:51.430\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: to kind of lay people on our climate change bunch 598\ 01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:55.269\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: works for Arup, who I'm sure you know about as a. 599\ 01:17:55.270 --> 01:17:55.660\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Itself, is. 600\ 01:17:55.660 --> 01:18:10.910\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Sort of bunch who deal with infrastructure a lot. But on her list of useful things was a library of things. In other words, ensuring communities will share things like strimmers, or you know, lawn mowers, or 601\ 01:18:11.100 --> 01:18:18.679\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: I don't know whatever you like, really. But if you've got any links to setting up such a thing because I do feel it's. 602\ 01:18:18.950 --> 01:18:22.339\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Pretty silly that everybody goes out and buys these things. 603\ 01:18:22.940 --> 01:18:28.080\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Yes, that's right. I mean, if there are things there are things also that 604\ 01:18:28.610 --> 01:18:39.259\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: parish councils may be able to, you know, within limits, not talking about buying streamers for everybody. One thing that's useful that some parishes are doing. They're getting hold of a thermal imaging camera. 605\ 01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:40.380\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Like. 606\ 01:18:40.380 --> 01:18:48.559\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Only about a couple of 100 quid, but that can be loaned out to residents and say, you look outside your house on the dark night. Think, gosh! Look at all that energy and heat that's 607\ 01:18:48.890 --> 01:18:54.735\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: escaping so that can certainly be happening in terms of equipment libraries. I'll make a note about that? 608\ 01:18:55.300 --> 01:18:56.045\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So 609\ 01:18:58.550 --> 01:19:04.830\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: right, what we're doing with the the the wiki, as I call it, the knowledge base that we're building. 610\ 01:19:05.020 --> 01:19:09.930\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Yeah, we're looking at anything that we can have that had some great stuff about installers in the 611\ 01:19:10.060 --> 01:19:19.950\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: in the chat. Because we're not a public sector body. We don't. We don't have to be careful. We don't have to be quite so particular about saying, this is a good guy. That's a bad guy. We can. We can. 612\ 01:19:19.950 --> 01:19:20.500\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: No. 613\ 01:19:20.500 --> 01:19:24.059\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: We can give people a list of people to choose from variety. We're happy with about 2 months. 614\ 01:19:24.060 --> 01:19:31.870\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Well, heat geek is quite a useful website for finding accredited air source heat pump installers in your area. 615\ 01:19:31.870 --> 01:19:38.489\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Yeah. Well, that's 1 of the things that we would put in the in the wiki straight away, you know, if you want to look at me check out this website, because 616\ 01:19:39.350 --> 01:19:53.210\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: if we do nothing else, we'd signposting is gonna be a great thing that we can do. I mean, if people have to search the web, you know they can. Oh, God! But if they can, if they just get into our launch base, press a button and get the at least some information that that's 617\ 01:19:53.210 --> 01:19:53.640\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: yeah. 618\ 01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:56.279\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Andrew apologies. I'm going to have to thin out. 619\ 01:19:56.280 --> 01:20:01.779\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Okay, my friend, thank you very much. What you're doing. You and I will speak again later about the the ramifications of what you've talked about. Yeah. 620\ 01:20:01.780 --> 01:20:05.459\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Alright, Roger, catch you later. Cheers everybody. Thanks very much. Bye. 621\ 01:20:05.460 --> 01:20:09.830\ Sue Burton: What was that directory again for accredited people? Sorry. 622\ 01:20:09.830 --> 01:20:12.020\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: It's in. It's in the chat of the on the. 623\ 01:20:12.020 --> 01:20:18.460\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: It's called heat geek, literally HEAT, and then g double EK. 624\ 01:20:18.740 --> 01:20:19.260\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Yeah. 625\ 01:20:19.570 --> 01:20:25.999\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: we didn't used to know the word geek, did we? But we didn't. Used to know the word nerd. But never mind, Joanne, you've got your hand up. 626\ 01:20:26.310 --> 01:20:37.099\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: Yes, I just wondered, could when the website is being done. Could you please just remember that there are people on parish councils that don't know any of this, and certainly. 627\ 01:20:37.100 --> 01:20:37.670\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Yeah. 628\ 01:20:37.670 --> 01:21:03.309\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: The message that comes out from our local our District Council and our County Council current existing doesn't always get down to the parish level. And you know you're using terms that you know we don't necessarily know. And even if our hearts in the right place sometimes it's just, it would be, you know, just please remember the to be quite basic, at least have a link to it for us. 629\ 01:21:03.310 --> 01:21:09.939\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Yeah, you're absolutely right. I try and remember that. But I'm I'm I hate. I hate abbreviations as much as the next person. 630\ 01:21:09.940 --> 01:21:13.690\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Yeah. Don't. Yeah. Don't don't use acronyms. Sorry. 631\ 01:21:13.690 --> 01:21:22.739\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Danger that you're right, Joan. If we're getting too too much involved in this, that we, we're in danger of assuming a wider shared knowledge which isn't always the case. 632\ 01:21:22.740 --> 01:21:29.469\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: It's just when you they were talking about the scores you know of. How? How would I don't even know how you get those. 633\ 01:21:29.470 --> 01:21:40.300\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: I mean, that's a good case in point. I mean, I I actually I didn't know what a sap score was until David told me some while ago. That that's right. I mean, what we need to say is no. 634\ 01:21:40.660 --> 01:21:44.759\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: and energy performance certificates for your for your building brackets. 635\ 01:21:45.150 --> 01:21:48.700\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: and you know, and then we can mention staff to the Pcs. 636\ 01:21:48.700 --> 01:21:52.919\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: But I mean they only tend to exist, don't they? When you sell or buy a house? I mean they don't. 637\ 01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:53.790\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Yeah, I mean, if you 638\ 01:21:54.400 --> 01:22:11.729\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: you've lived in a building for a long time, you know you quite probably don't have one in my house was built in the 18 forties. Whether it's got a score or not, I have no idea what we're looking at also is mapping things with the help of parish online. So people can find this stuff 639\ 01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:12.530\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: physically. 640\ 01:22:12.890 --> 01:22:25.840\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: visually. I want to find out a parish council that's done a carbon net 0 plan. Where's 1 to me that I can talk to them about how they did it. You know. What we're looking at at the moment is 641\ 01:22:26.372 --> 01:22:32.809\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: we've got a pilot program going in in East Anglia. And the suggestion is that 642\ 01:22:34.096 --> 01:22:53.279\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: for those people that are either already have a parish online subscription or would be happy to take out a 3 month free trial which is available nationally, I believe. Then they can say right. Let's can we? If you would like to fill in these half a dozen different bits of information that relate to your parish, you know. Have you got a committee? Have you got whatever it is. 643\ 01:22:53.927 --> 01:23:10.090\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Then that can appear on the website instantly. And that's what we look at, because that will also be encouraging. So oh, gosh! You know it's already been recorded. So some of these things I mean, just you know, we got. 644\ 01:23:10.090 --> 01:23:18.199\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: I think that would be great, because we just outside Henley and I know Henley are doing really really wonderful things. But 645\ 01:23:18.340 --> 01:23:39.500\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: the lady who actually runs the Henley thing lives in our village and is too busy to do it for the village so, or to do it for our parish. So it's sort of sometimes you just want to be to have that community link, and it doesn't always work, and also to be honest as a parish councillor. I have no idea if we subscribe to parish online. So I have to ask my clerk. So. 646\ 01:23:39.500 --> 01:23:48.920\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: That's 1 that's right. I mean, all right, it's a it's it's a community interest company. But obviously they want they want to make a surplus the same as any other business. 647\ 01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:49.270\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: Yeah. 648\ 01:23:49.578 --> 01:23:53.900\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: But they are very keen to make sure that they're providing a service around 649\ 01:23:54.030 --> 01:24:09.580\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: climate and environmental action. And what we're talking about. And this is, of course, I mean, obviously, David is very much working up on on this carbon reduction net 0 approach. There's other things around flood risk. There's other things around what we do in a heat wave which is going to come at us. 650\ 01:24:09.690 --> 01:24:22.199\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: I was speaking with a chap just now, while I was late from communities prepared, and they've been doing free training on heat waves, on floods, on power outages. And they're now having to do some wildfires. 651\ 01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:23.310\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So. 652\ 01:24:23.310 --> 01:24:24.050\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: You know. 653\ 01:24:24.370 --> 01:24:34.939\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So you know again, how many people know that that sort of information is available. If you log into their website if there's free training you could. You can join into. 654\ 01:24:34.940 --> 01:24:38.310\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Oh, we'll provide the links to that as well. That sounds really useful. 655\ 01:24:38.310 --> 01:24:45.860\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Let me do that. Put that in the chat straight away. Lovely guys, they've they've got funding to do this kind of thing which 656\ 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:50.050\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: which is allowing them to give these courses out for free. 657\ 01:24:51.090 --> 01:24:52.860\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: They are also 658\ 01:24:54.340 --> 01:25:01.770\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: They're also that was a substance or part of my conversation with the with the guy this afternoon. This morning 659\ 01:25:01.940 --> 01:25:02.625\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: was 660\ 01:25:04.690 --> 01:25:06.700\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: We're thinking about having particular 661\ 01:25:07.910 --> 01:25:14.469\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: things for town and parish councils, because at the moment is community prepared. You know it does what it says on the tin 662\ 01:25:15.280 --> 01:25:17.019\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: cheers. Andrew's gone. 663\ 01:25:17.020 --> 01:25:18.257\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Oh, great. Okay. 664\ 01:25:19.019 --> 01:25:26.010\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: But of course, as we know, parish councils have their own context background and all the rest of it. 665\ 01:25:26.434 --> 01:25:36.050\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: And our clients will be telling us, you know what we can and can't do and there's always issues around funding. And and what about our links with these other authorities, and so on. 666\ 01:25:36.210 --> 01:25:42.500\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: And so in terms of in this particular instance, we're talking to him about flood risk, assessment. 667\ 01:25:43.440 --> 01:25:46.440\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: it may well be that a community 668\ 01:25:46.710 --> 01:25:54.969\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: can get the advice that they're already giving out. But a parish council might need a slightly more tailored advice or something with a bit of extra detail in it. 669\ 01:25:55.691 --> 01:26:01.330\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So that's fine. So you know, we're going to be talk talking some more about that 670\ 01:26:02.316 --> 01:26:02.893\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: but 671\ 01:26:03.630 --> 01:26:12.029\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Following this meeting, will you be issuing any notes? Or will you just update your website to reflect some of the thoughts, etc, etc. How will you do it? 672\ 01:26:12.030 --> 01:26:17.710\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: The answer is both the recording of this meeting and the chat. 673\ 01:26:17.810 --> 01:26:24.499\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: and the present copy of David's presentation will be put online on our knowledge base? 674\ 01:26:25.123 --> 01:26:34.890\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: And that if if when you log in for these sessions that makes that available, if I look, should I get the link for that up for you as well, and put that to you. 675\ 01:26:35.370 --> 01:26:38.782\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: The knowledge the knowledge base itself is 676\ 01:26:39.530 --> 01:26:45.360\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: is a is is work in progress. It'll never be finished in a way. There'll always be stuff to add into it. 677\ 01:26:45.690 --> 01:26:46.250\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Hmm. 678\ 01:26:46.380 --> 01:26:54.010\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: It's already a a live to certain extent. And some of that is available through the same link that I'm about to give you. 679\ 01:26:54.820 --> 01:26:57.400\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: and it's needing to be extended. 680\ 01:26:59.240 --> 01:27:14.067\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: so would you look into this link which I'm about to put in and you can see that there is a. This is getting to the table of all the different banter sessions. This is Number 69 in a continuing sequence. But there's also links to other 681\ 01:27:15.130 --> 01:27:17.540\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: elements of the of the knowledge base as well. 682\ 01:27:18.549 --> 01:27:26.800\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So that is one of the things that we'll be and doing is 683\ 01:27:27.730 --> 01:27:42.659\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: making that more and more visible as we improve the website going forward so that the the our ambition is what has been the ambition in the digital world for some time is people get what they want within 3 clicks of a computer mouse 684\ 01:27:43.640 --> 01:28:02.870\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: that that's the that's the gold standard. Yeah. And as as present company may know some of the worst places for that are district Council websites that any roller moving swiftly on but that that's our. That's the gold standard. That's what we're trying to achieve. And the the system we have 685\ 01:28:03.010 --> 01:28:08.283\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: that which we're using which is something called git book. Which is the 686\ 01:28:11.276 --> 01:28:21.499\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: soft name of the software behind our knowledge base. We could. We can ask it to search for something. So if we asked it for. So I'm just doing now. We'd ask it to search for floods. 687\ 01:28:22.230 --> 01:28:28.640\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: and then we get we get something like this. Shall I show you that on shall we do that live? Shall I work that through with you? 688\ 01:28:28.980 --> 01:28:29.579\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Would that be. 689\ 01:28:29.580 --> 01:28:30.990\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: That'd be nice. Yeah, I'd like to. 690\ 01:28:30.990 --> 01:28:33.142\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: As you're my friends. 691\ 01:28:35.300 --> 01:28:36.780\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Oh, really. 692\ 01:28:36.780 --> 01:28:40.250\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: Where'd you get the funding for this break collaboration? 693\ 01:28:40.410 --> 01:28:41.070\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Right 694\ 01:28:41.730 --> 01:28:43.650\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: Very brief. It's very quick. 695\ 01:28:43.650 --> 01:28:54.889\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Oh, sure! The initial funding was from a charity called Mcs Charitable Foundation, and that funded the work in Herefordshire that that they spend about 70,000 pounds building the website. 696\ 01:28:55.599 --> 01:29:03.270\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So it's there. We bought it for a pound because the people in Herefordshire just wanted to go national. They didn't have the capacity to do it. So we're working on that. 697\ 01:29:04.930 --> 01:29:09.570\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: We have been looking at different sources of of core funding, should we say. 698\ 01:29:10.100 --> 01:29:13.749\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: because of what we're doing is relatively new in the world, and it's a bit novel. 699\ 01:29:14.717 --> 01:29:17.220\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Pete, we haven't caught anybody's attention yet 700\ 01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:29.630\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: where people like to fund. They like to fund something that's actually visible with communities on the ground. So we're doing some work in in East Anglia. We're doing some more. And all the rest of it. In the meantime, we have found a volunteer programmer 701\ 01:29:30.060 --> 01:29:36.360\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: to help us. Upgrade the website. It's a wordpress website. If you know about. Those are relatively easy to manage 702\ 01:29:36.950 --> 01:29:37.635\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: and 703\ 01:29:39.670 --> 01:29:56.560\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: the so I've been adding in a lot of content, but we've got a lady who's actually been off to have a child. She's wanted to get back into the business of being a computer paid programmer, and she's giving us some time to get her feedback under the table. So that's we're very fortunate in that. 704\ 01:29:56.700 --> 01:29:57.570\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Beef. 705\ 01:29:57.570 --> 01:30:06.230\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So that was probably a medium size. Answer to a short question. So here we go. Here's the knowledge, great collaboration knowledge base. And we can put in something we want to look for. 706\ 01:30:06.926 --> 01:30:13.489\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: What should what should we? We've been talking about here. We we say we'll put in carbon reduction and see what happens. 707\ 01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:15.580\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Okay. 708\ 01:30:16.330 --> 01:30:23.149\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: so here we are. What happens. There was a bits about. There was a whole banter session about things, and there's a resource pack 709\ 01:30:23.430 --> 01:30:33.709\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: in in the on the website which talks about a carbon reduction plan. There's things about other banter sessions that it's linking us to and so forth already. 710\ 01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:37.629\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So the the searching is already happening. 711\ 01:30:38.070 --> 01:30:40.752\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: It hasn't got yet. Obviously, what? 712\ 01:30:41.633 --> 01:30:52.970\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: David's been talking about today, because, as as he clearly noted. It's this is a work in progress, and we're we're getting it's going to be extended as as we go forward. 713\ 01:30:53.430 --> 01:31:01.369\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: But run out of things as you press the wrong button you get back now, so that's Jonah, shall we? 714\ 01:31:02.030 --> 01:31:07.529\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: We could try something else, would it? Would any of us like to press a button and see what we've got on it on it? Any words. 715\ 01:31:07.890 --> 01:31:09.180\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: No! I I. 716\ 01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:10.880\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Sorry, Stuart. 717\ 01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:12.020\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Agriculture. 718\ 01:31:12.020 --> 01:31:13.320\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Agriculture, okay. 719\ 01:31:13.320 --> 01:31:15.839\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I think it's something we've been missing out on. 720\ 01:31:16.910 --> 01:31:20.159\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: There won't be anything. Agriculture, agriculture. Let's try agriculture. Okay. 721\ 01:31:23.290 --> 01:31:25.520\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: no results. Track your company there you go. 722\ 01:31:26.500 --> 01:31:27.160\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So. 723\ 01:31:27.160 --> 01:31:28.990\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: So we do need a session on that. 724\ 01:31:29.620 --> 01:31:34.898\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Yeah. And I think in terms of agricult. Obviously, we've got 725\ 01:31:37.590 --> 01:31:53.200\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Our friend Jules Thompson, who is heavily involved in his links to the farming community, and there's got an agrivoltaics project. One of the things that David was talking about. How do we actually get solar energy off fields without destroying them for agriculture, because we need food security as well. 726\ 01:31:53.836 --> 01:31:59.330\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: So he. He's somebody that we could possibly do a session on this but. 727\ 01:31:59.330 --> 01:32:01.810\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I was hoping maybe Jane could. 728\ 01:32:03.210 --> 01:32:07.410\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Yeah, I oh. 729\ 01:32:07.870 --> 01:32:21.150\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: I'd have to put together a lot more research. In order to do this, I can give you a top level thing about it. It's the connectedness of everything on the agricultural front that makes life so very difficult. 730\ 01:32:21.420 --> 01:32:33.360\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: As you may well know, the environmental land management scheme made no mention of food production, and it almost encouraged farmers to make over land to 731\ 01:32:34.340 --> 01:32:39.830\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: bats or something, and not to grow crops that might feed people. 732\ 01:32:40.100 --> 01:32:43.839\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: The sustainable farming initiative, which was some other 733\ 01:32:44.050 --> 01:32:52.359\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: poxy scheme, was suddenly cut dead in its tracks because they ran out of money. But I don't know what what it actually achieved. 734\ 01:32:52.910 --> 01:32:54.010\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: and 735\ 01:32:54.510 --> 01:33:05.910\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: agriculture unfortunately represents a very small part of Gdp, consequently is very low on the Government's list of things they need to deal with, and. 736\ 01:33:05.910 --> 01:33:15.020\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I think agriculture does feature quite prominently in greenhouse gas production. 737\ 01:33:16.001 --> 01:33:20.520\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: methane, and they do will burn a lot of Diesel. 738\ 01:33:21.730 --> 01:33:26.300\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Does feature in that, but in terms of getting government to actually 739\ 01:33:26.440 --> 01:33:41.415\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: sort of speak positively about agriculture or to the farming community, you tend to get very 3rd rate. Ministers in agriculture by it, certainly, judging on past experience. 740\ 01:33:42.290 --> 01:33:43.280\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: yes. 741\ 01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:52.670\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: greenhouse gases. But remember, outdoor systems such as grass fed animals are creating a lot less on the methane side. 742\ 01:33:52.670 --> 01:33:59.710\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I've been doing quite a lot of reading about soil ecology and regenerative farming. 743\ 01:33:59.820 --> 01:34:04.959\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: and the carbon sequestration with good land management 744\ 01:34:05.816 --> 01:34:13.360\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: which tends to get destroyed by ploughing, and our farm is still. 745\ 01:34:13.360 --> 01:34:38.840\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: The machinery has got so much heavier and so much bigger, that it compacts soil very badly. But you know this is where we're in this huge conflict between what do you want? I'm not necessarily against regenerative farming, but obviously your stocking levels have to be far lower. So you are, on the one hand, reducing the ability 746\ 01:34:38.860 --> 01:34:52.050\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: to generate food against maintaining better soil structure. But donuts get into this here and now. It's half past one. It's time we left, and this is incredibly complicated and 747\ 01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:57.750\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: plays onto every part of our lives quite frankly. 748\ 01:34:57.750 --> 01:35:09.920\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Food and farming is a definite topic for another one of these sessions. And yes, we're right in that. Food security is occasionally getting mentioned in the National press, but it doesn't seem to be a top priority for the current government, which I think is a 749\ 01:35:10.380 --> 01:35:12.289\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: a mistake. There we go. 750\ 01:35:12.290 --> 01:35:12.800\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: And. 751\ 01:35:13.330 --> 01:35:13.900\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Living, part. 752\ 01:35:13.900 --> 01:35:14.969\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Agree. 753\ 01:35:16.040 --> 01:35:20.440\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Thank you so much, everybody, and you know I have made a note of your name, Jane. Sorry about that, but. 754\ 01:35:20.650 --> 01:35:22.870\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: All right, I think. 755\ 01:35:22.870 --> 01:35:26.079\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Well, it. It'd be nice to hear from a scientist talking about it. 756\ 01:35:26.860 --> 01:35:30.244\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Well, we we can find we can find different people to do to do that. 757\ 01:35:31.040 --> 01:35:40.229\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: I mean, there's there's the science, you know. There's the practicality of farming, and then there's finding the right spot of government to to prod, shall we say? 758\ 01:35:40.940 --> 01:35:43.370\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Trying to smile in my language, Timothy? Yes, indeed. 759\ 01:35:45.650 --> 01:35:46.000\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I mean. 760\ 01:35:46.270 --> 01:35:48.200\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Another good session. Thank you so much. Everybody. 761\ 01:35:48.200 --> 01:35:49.450\ Joanne, Shipake PC, Oxon: Okay, thanks. Very much. 762\ 01:35:49.450 --> 01:35:51.039\ Jane Humphreys aka Niblock: Thank you. Bye-bye. 763\ 01:35:51.410 --> 01:35:55.800\ Andrew Maliphant Great Collaboration: Take care right.