Banter 34: Hay Community Resilience Initiative, 28Aug24, Mike Eccles

Mike introduces a masterpiece of joined-up thinking on how to build a fresh way of looking at and living in your community, and then how to build resilience on the three pillars of food resilience, energy resilience, and wellbeing. This is one of those videos that should be the template of best practice in this arena

Video Timeline (min:sec):

00.00 - 01:28 Introduction by Mike Eccles

01:28 - 39:35 Presentation

39:35 - 66:49 (end) Q & A

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Meeting Summary:

Quick recap

The Hay Community Resilience Initiative

The team discussed the Hay Community Resilience Initiative, a rural community engagement program focused on food, well-being, and energy, and its progress, including the launch of a new evening real food market and plans for an online supermarket. They also explored strategies for managing seasonal gluts from home-grown produce and the potential of developing an online local food supermarket. Lastly, they discussed the importance of community assemblies in building a grassroots movement and achieving meaningful action, with Mike sharing his personal experience with the Extinction Rebellion.

NEXT STEPS for the Initiative are to:

Work on making assembly resources and materials available for others to use once more support is available.

Continue developing the online local food supermarket initiative.

Launch the Energy and Mental Wellbeing Pillars of the resilience initiative.

To explore ways to add value to excess seasonal produce for the proposed online supermarket (e.g. making chutneys, jams).

Continue training and expanding the group of assembly facilitators.

Further develop connections with other community resilience and sustainability networks. Explore potential collaboration with One Planet Living.

Summary

Screen Sharing, Registrants, and Connections

Graham and Mike discussed the logistics of sharing screens for presentations and the challenges of managing large numbers of registrants for a community initiative. They also engaged in a light-hearted conversation about their personal backgrounds and connections, including Mike's time in Chicago, San Francisco, and Los Angeles, and Liz's move to Banwell, Somerset. The team decided to wait a few more minutes for any latecomers before proceeding.

Hay Resilience Initiative Presentation

Graham welcomed everyone and informed them about the recording of the session. The main topic of discussion was the Hay Community Resilience Initiative, presented by Mike Eccles from Hay on Wye. The initiative is a rural community engagement program with three pillars: food, wellbeing, and energy. The food pillar aims to reduce carbon emissions by promoting locally grown, agro-ecologically produced, food. The wellbeing pillar is focused on a preventative approach to improving mental well-being through community activities and support. The energy pillar involves the creation of a community-owned energy company to reduce emissions and generate redistribution of wealth profit for the community. The initiative was initiated in response to the challenges posed by the climate catastrophe and the desire to build a more resilient community.

Community-Led Library Initiative in Powys

Mike discussed the efforts to save Hay's Public Library in Powys, which had been threatened with closure since 2014. A community interest company called Hay Public Library.org CIC was established to negotiate a renewable five-year commercial contract with Powys County Council to keep the Hay Library open and was agreed and signed on 1 October 2021. The aim was to provide more community involvement in the library and introduce new services, including community assemblies to promote deliberative democracy.

Mike highlighted the company's affiliation with EGIN, a network supporting community-led initiatives in climate resilience, and other related organisations. He emphasised the significant effort required to effectively find & participate in a host of National and Regional groups which were being formed and set-up to address the climate catastrophe. It was important to identify key players in the region, and gain their support for the Hay Community Resilience Initiative as a strategic model which could be rolled out and adapted by rural communities across Wales.

Mike's Future-Oriented Policies and Collaborations

Mike emphasised the importance of future-oriented policies for the country's sustainable development. He discussed his interactions with the Future Generations Commissioner's office in Wales, particularly with the current Commissioner, Derek Walker, and their shared interest in ensuring the well-being of future generations. Mike also highlighted his recent meetings with key figures in food policy and health, including Professor Tim Lang and Marie Brousseau-Navarro, the Deputy Future Generations Commissioner and Director of Health, who showed interest in collaborating on the Initiatives' Wellbeing Pillar assembly, when it is launched. Lastly, he mentioned his recent Food Resilience presentation at the 2024 Hay festival, where he was fortunate enough to find himself co-presenting with Jane Davidson. Jane, when a minister in the Welsh Government, actually wrote and implemented the Wellbeing and Future Generations Act in 2015 which set-up the Future Generations Commissioners Office, and is now tasked with writing a strategy (Wales Net Zero 2035 Climate Challenge) to ensure the country reaches Net Zero by 2050.

Ensuring that the Resilience Initiative is known to people like Derek, Marie, Jane, and others, and that they support it, is crucial to its success and integration into the National Race to Zero strategy.

Wales Net Zero 2035 Climate Challenge Update

Mike discussed Jane Davidson's leadership of the Wales Net Zero 2035 Climate Challenge, which aims to set strategic targets, plans and initiatives to ensure that Wales hits net-zero carbon emissions by 2050. He also highlighted the success of their first Food assembly, launching the Food Pillar of the Model. This Assembly attracted over 100 participants and Mike went on to emphasise the importance of using intrinsic value language in marketing and publicity. Lastly, he explained, that in a market town, an initiative to revive the local farmers' market tradition, is an easy 'sell'. Only this time, we would produce food agroecologically, and run the Initiative using a new form of deliberative democracy (Community Assemblies) emphasising the importance of facilitation and training for this process.

Mike's Online Course Experience and Strategy

Mike shared his experience of discovering an online course on a website that his team couldn't afford. He reached out to the course organiser, Sam Kaner - founder of CommunityAtWork.com , and was invited as a guest to the course for free. Sam's generosity enabled him to learn from the authors of the ‘bible for facilitators’ - The Facilitators Guide to Participatory Decision-making. Sam's course included a segment on How to Design a Meeting, and this in turn enabled Mike to adapt that design specifically for Community Assemblies - How to Design a Community Assembly. This Template Asset can now be used by anyone wishing to design their own Assembly agenda in the future.

Mike detailed the structure of the design of the Food Assembly, which included educational sessions, breakout sessions for addressing the Assembly question (where the real work takes place), and a final feedback session. He emphasised the importance of the tea and cake breaks for networking and idea generation.

Mike also discussed his strategy for using local newspaper publicity to enhance the perceived importance of their articles - a trick he has used in many past social entrepreneurial campaigns.

Mike's Initiative Progress and Future Plans

Mike reported on the progress of their initiative, which involved data analysis, community engagement, and structure alignment. He shared that 10% of the community showed interest, with 61 feedback forms received, indicating a growing ownership of the project. Mike also mentioned that the Food Assembly has resulted in the launch of an evening market for real food in Hay Castle and revealed plans to start an online supermarket for local growers. He suggested that this could eliminate the need for the Initiative to found and run multiple community supported agricultural businesses (CSAs) to feed the Town. The Assembly has also resulted in the creation of a resource library for others to use as templates in their own communities and a clear document for landowners of the needs required for a CSA to be developed on their land. The Initiative now has a database of skills and resources being offered by the community, from feedback forms, and a list of Community food-growing Action Points for further consideration and development.

The Initiative, Systems Change and Changing the 'Story' we tell Ourselves

Mike presented a community resilience initiative that aims to shift the community's narrative from one of consumers to citizens, with the goal of making the community more resilient in the face of the climate catastrophe. We no longer wish to be thought of as anonymous consumers in Capitalism's all consuming delirium. We are rather Citizens of a community working together positively, creating a sense of Hope, Purpose and Belonging, in an Initiative driven by Kindness. The initiative involves local energy production, food self-sufficiency, preventative mental well-being initiatives, and the introducion of deliberative democracy through community assemblies - new form of democracy for a community. Graham expressed his admiration for the initiative and asked for the sources of the emissions savings Mike mentioned. These come from the Bannau Brycheiniog National Park 5-year plan developed by experienced climate specialists and consultants. Mike also mentioned that he was working on making a collection of resources available for others to use and to ensure that others across Wales can replicate and adapt the model for their own communities, but his current workload was a significant obstacle. However it will happen!

Community-Led Sustainable Energy and Food Production

Mike discussed the challenges and strategies of the community-led project focused on sustainable energy and food production. He emphasised the importance of community ownership for the project's success and highlighted the need to balance food and energy production. Community Ownership is not the same as a community agreeing to a large energy business building a Solar or Wind Farm locally - where the global business offers a bribe to that community to prevent local opposition to a planning proposal, or even a share in the profits. Cara expressed interest in linking Hay's project with other community-led solutions including One Planet Living ( https://www.bioregional.com/one-planet-living ) and the one-planet Development (OPD) movement in Wales.

[While the One Planet Living is an international movement into which the Hay Resilience Initiative can fit, the Welsh OPD - https://theoneplanetlife.com/what-is-one-planet- development-in-wales/ - movement in Wales was not designed to feed communities on the scale envisioned by the Hay Resilience Initiative. Having said that, there are less than than 150 OPD people working mostly on two or three acres in Wales at present and everyone involved with an OPD is also a member of The Landworkers Alliance - https://landworkersalliance.org.uk/lwa-cymru/ - which has close connections with the Hay Resilience Initiative.]

Mike agreed to speak at conferences and engage with more organisations to further the Hay Community Resilience Initiative's goals.

Managing Seasonal Gluts and Citizen Assemblies

Stuart and Mike discussed strategies for managing seasonal gluts from home-grown produce, including the use of pollytunnels and adding value through chutneys and other items. They also explored the potential of developing an online local food supermarket. A biodiversity audit was raised as an issue for future discussion.

The conversation then shifted to People's Assemblies and Citizen's Assemblies, with Mike sharing his experience with the Extinction Rebellion and their successful campaigns. He emphasised the importance of community assemblies in building a grassroots movement and achieving meaningful action. The training of facilitators for these assemblies was also discussed.

The conversation ended with Mike agreeing to share his email with the group and Graham announcing that the key points would be posted on a wiki for future reference.

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Further reading:

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Earth Co-op - Co-creating a Social Co-operating System - A Social Utility Capable of supporting Waves of Coordinated Action - 2023.docx

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Chat:

01:00:54 Penny Q - Weymouth: Extinction Rebellion are facilitating a big peoples assembly in Windsor Great Park on Saturday. https://extinctionrebellion.uk/massembly/

01:10:31 Amanda Davis: Quick question please... How do we start with a biodiversity audit? Would like to apply for funds for this, as parish council capacity is exhausted. Who might undertake it?

01:11:45 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: One planet Living was created by Bio Regional https://www.bioregional.com/one-planet-living

01:12:04 Liz Shayler (Banwell PC): Thanks everyone. Sorry I have another meeting at 1pm.

01:12:12 Peter Anderson: One Planet Living by Bioregional ( https://www.bioregional.com/one-planet-living & https://oneplanet.com ) and One Planet Development - https://www.oneplanetcouncil.org.uk/ (adopted by the Welsh Gov) are 2 very different frameworks

01:12:34 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Are you looking at community orchards?

01:13:09 Carol Kambites, Stonehouse Town Council: My local foodbank takes surplus allotment produce from the Allotment Association

01:13:16 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Reacted to "One Planet Living by..." with 👍

01:13:44 Peter Anderson: Replying to "{4318DBC5-DDD1-4366-A9AD-CD8A258CBEB1}.png"

Yes, this is One Planet Living - not adopted by Welsh Gov as far as I'm aware.

01:14:30 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: If you are close to Somerset please come to the Land Alive conference in November being organised by Sustainable Food Somerset https://www.landalive.co.uk/

01:15:31 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Also Transition Network has lots of resources to support community leadership in climate resilience. https://transitionnetwork.org/

01:15:50 Jacky Lawrence, Napton PC, Warwickshire Low Carbon Network, NEAT: There's a climate assembly in Stratford next week covering food, energy, transport, biodiversity & river health, adaptation etc. Climate Assembly September 2024 | Stratford-on-Avon District Council

01:15:50 Peter Anderson: George Monbiot - Rivercide - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ID0VAUNANA

01:18:08 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: There is also George Marshal who wrote Carbon Detox and founded Climate Outreach https://climateoutreach.org/ highly recommend.

01:18:13 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Reacted to "There's a climate as..." with 👍

01:18:22 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Reacted to "My local foodbank ta..." with 👍

01:19:19 David Morgan-Jones (Ewshot PC): Many thanks for an excellent talk and fascinating discussion.

01:20:45 Carol Kambites, Stonehouse Town Council: I have to go down but thank you for a fascinating talk about a fascinating project.

01:20:47 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Replying to "{4318DBC5-DDD1-4366-A9AD-CD8A258CBEB1}.png"

I thought it was the basis of One Planet Wales https://www.oneplanetcouncil.org.uk/

01:21:46 Caroline Murray, Tring Town Council: Very inspiring talk, Mike. Thank you.

01:22:01 Jacky Lawrence, Napton PC, Warwickshire Low Carbon Network, NEAT: thank you

01:22:08 Peter Anderson: Is Mike happy to share his email?

01:22:18 Wendy Thomson: Thank you! Another very interesting presentation. Food for thought!

01:22:23 Sarah whitelaw: EXCLLENT SESSION .. THANKS MIKE !!! muh food for thought … Sx

01:23:36 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Thanks Miek and all!

01:23:44 Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: *Mike!

01:23:48 Mike E - Hay Resilience: [e-mail]

01:24:04 Peter Anderson: It was applause :-)

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Really Useful Stuff: (thanks to [e-mail] for this)

The October 12th 2024 ‘Meet Your MP’ day of action on the climate crisis is moving forward fast. It is now known as the ‘Common Grounds’ day and being organised by the Climate Coalition (linking over 100 national bodies). They are asking people and groups all over the UK to set up meetings with their MPs to urge the need for rapid and serious action on climate change.

The Climate Coalition are producing a range of useful materials - I would urge you to look at the campaign pack that is just out: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Cy4aaHiaK5VT4TqgKYbKMTpv9z_Inqzd_JGQYk59MSs/edit#slide=id.g2f4b732d235_1_32

In the pack above they suggest three key themes / messages (slides 15,16,17) – do check these out. They are setting up a range of online working groups (I am on the coordinating group) – these include: Political Group; Narrative and story group; Media and comms group; Mobilising, organising and capacity building group; Outreach group; Website and tech group; Delivery Group. See this if you are interested: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfIRPPEO_jqi9zY5snK_TH3nGoGLOKLuvUwYLE2bNg5ySkq3w/viewform

Friends of the Earth have produced an excellent guide to ‘meeting with your MP’ – it’s here: https://groups.friendsoftheearth.uk/resources/guide-meeting-your-mp

The Coalition will also be running training sessions on ‘Meet your MP’ and on ‘Storytelling’ in September.

There are 6 Meet your MP online sessions – book here: https://www.tickettailor.com/events/theclimatecoalition/1341692

There are 3 ‘Storytelling’ sessions: https://www.tickettailor.com/events/theclimatecoalition/1341702

[The Coalition suggests that we adopt the story-led approach as a tool to inspire action (including from your MP!)]

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AI summary:

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: But in the meantime let me do my party 
trick with

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: the Gdpr stuff. So please be aware that 
we are recording this session, and if you would rather not be recorded. This is a very 
good time to switch everything off

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: that may or may not be useful to you 
later.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And everything gets put up on the wiki 
for your reference later on.

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Carol Kambites, Stonehouse Town Council: Apologies for not being really with you 
just now, but I am now.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Alright! Well, that gives me the clue.

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Carol Kambites, Stonehouse Town Council: Just haven't.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then.

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Carol Kambites, Stonehouse Town Council: I just had an urgent email at the same time as
 I logged in.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, let me say a very pointed good 
afternoon to everybody.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Nice to see you all, and thank you for 
showing up.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and in case I forget later next week 
we are going to be talking about

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: biosphere reserves

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: with Chris.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So you might wish to come to that. 
If biosphere reserves is a topic that fascinates you today. However, we have a much 
more pragmatic and natural thing. So let me introduce. Well, I don't think you need 
any introduction. Mike Eccles from Hay is going to chat to us today, and Mike, the 
floor is yours. Please.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Right? Okay. Well, I'm going to talk to you about the hay 
resilience initiative and what it is and how it's

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: started. And

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I need to actually share my screen to share things here, 
whether that makes it possible for me to do that

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And if I share that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah. That's good. Started.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Is it? Is it working?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, yes, we are. Yep.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: You can see it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yes, we're on your presentation.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Okay. Great. Well.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Maybe just switch to sideshow mode, 
but otherwise you're fine.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Okay. So here we go.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Okay. So everybody's still there.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yes, and we see you.

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Carol Kambites, Stonehouse Town Council: Yep.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Right? Okay, so

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: so that's a picture of hey? And why? And

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: with the black mountains behind me when I took the picture.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and we've got about 2.5,000 people in actually in play, and 
probably another 2.5,000 around the outside of it.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Various different villages.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And the initiative is a

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: it's a rural community engagement program. So it's using 
deliberative democracy that's community assemblies as real

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Democratic vehicles to take powerful action

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: on those issues over which we have or wish to gain agency.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: It's made up of 3 pillars.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the 1st one that we started with was food.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So the question is, why did we choose food? Because

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we can do our part to significantly reduce our carbon 
emissions where we can achieve a a 22% cut in emissions arising from food consumption.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: In other words, how it is grown, it's local, and it's grown 
Agro ecologically.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and we can actually contribute to 31% cut in non Co. 2 
emissions arising from land use by not buying food from where we buy it from at the 
moment we actually reduce the amount of Co 2 emissions.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And that's because of the resulting habitat restoration.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: land use change

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and sustainable farming practices.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So the second pillar

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: has to do with wellbeing. And

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the most important thing about this

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: is it's driven by kindness so that you have a values based 
model.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: which is something which people do respond to.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And the intention in this particular model is to change the 
culture.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: all around mental well-being in this particular period.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Hello. In other words.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we want to create an environment where it is okay not to be 
okay.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And the assembly will think tank and suggest a series of 
preventative measures which we can then implement as and when we want to.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And the objective is to catch ourselves. If we're feeling 
depressed

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: before we need Nhs help and to redirect our state of mind 
into various forms of community activity and support.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: The idea is that we are facing the future. We're not on 
our own.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: but we are together as families, as neighbours and as a 
community.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and the 3rd pillar has to do with energy

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: now, energy will. If if we run our own energy company and 
do it right.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We will

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: have a 51% cut in emissions rising from the energy uses as
 a result of energy efficiency.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: a shift away from fossil fuels to heat and power, home 
services and businesses.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the generation of profit after breaking them is reached in 4 to 5 years, and that profit is then available to the community, to redistribute wealth and to fund further kind of actions. EG. Help with insulation, help with heat pumps, reduce the price of food further.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: or reduce the cost of energy further.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and the idea is to ensure that those people at the who are 
least well off in our community do not have to choose between eating and eating as they have had to do

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: in the past.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Now the actual that's the entire model itself. So you'll see 
that.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: What this all arose out of, hey, public library, and that 
was because Paris County Council wanted to close our library down

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and had been trying to do that since 2,014

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and an organization called Howells

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: aptly named Hay and wide library supporters. There were 
400 over 400 of them.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Work just pressured to keep the library open.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and it was a political game every year.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and in 2,019 it looked as though they seriously were going 
to close the thing down.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and I was asked to go down to a meeting, because I've got a 
bit of a reputation.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We're getting involved in things like this.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and we discussed it through and decided that what we should 
do is to actually make Paris County Council our friends rather than our enemy.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that we should understand how difficult the decisions were 
that they were having to make.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and that none of us in the room with any sense at all would 
be a county councillor in Paris. Given the financial circumstances they had to deal 
with effectively, they were trying to supply the same amount of services with 
something like a 40% drop in the amount of income that they had to do it in.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And you know, it's an impossible situation. Of course, we 
didn't believe they should be cutting libraries because we believe in libraries, but 
they have to cut something. And so we thought that if we had a different approach. 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: If we had a 5 year commercial contract we would be able to 
get more involved in the library and what it did for us, and we would also be able to 
set up new public library services, and one that we wanted to set up was a service to 
run community assemblies, so that we introduced a deliberative democracy into the 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and you can see that you know you've got the. And you've got 
the 3 assemblies at the bottom running the 3 different pillars, and it's all held 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Well, the 1st thing we had to do was to visit local farmers 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Visit every horticultural business in the area already
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Visit the organization organisers of the Hay Food bank and 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: They collect food from the local supermarket and give it out 
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and ensure that we got some of them to come along to this assembly, so that we have 
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professionals to talk about the the mental wellbeing pillar, and find and meet and 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We also joined an organization which isn't 1 here called egg 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and egging was set up in in Wales as a sort of network of 
everybody who's doing anything at community level in climate, resilience of one sort 
or another.

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you to be able to apply for an egg in Grant, which is a 15 grand grant which you can 
use for whatever you

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And then there are the other organizations that that were 
involved, the Marty's Wheels, food and Farming group, the Old Wales Food and Farming 
group, the South Pass food Partnership, our food, 1,200 langasup green valleys, energy
group and community energy. Wales.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: all of that takes a lot of of work because you've got to go 
to a huge number of meetings. You've got to get to know who the Movers and Shakers 
are in your region, because it's 1 thing to do something which is fantastic, and there 
will also let people doing things in the way of of community activities. But there is 
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sort of strategic organization, so that one strategy fits into another strategy which 
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looked at.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: In that. The politicians, all of them, from all the different 
parties, really respect this organization because it is a mechanism by which we in 
Wales are able to turn our short term political 5 year period into a long-term 
political system

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everything that we do.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I went out there and had a chit chat with him, and asked him 
who he was to tell me who he was, to which I applied, because the previous 
Commissioner, the 1st one was somebody called Sophie Howard. So I said to him, You 
don't look like Sophie Howe to me. But he had just taken over from her.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and so I gave him an idea of what we were doing, and he said, 
Well, if you need some help, get in touch when you're ready. So

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and put us in touch with

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off the ground.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: so that we have some of the best funders and the best 
support people.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: If the Commissioner rings you up and says, Will you come to a 
meeting? You do

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: The so the the second person that I needed to hit. I didn't 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: but I went to a food shops event in the Senate where 
Professor Tim lang

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: from London University. He is the country's expert on food 
policy. Oh, and, by the way, we don't have a food policy in any of the 3 countries,
any of the 4 countries of the United Kingdom

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: it's all left to the supermarkets. So we are going to get 
into trouble as the supermarket supply chains start to break down which they will, as 
climate change gets worse, and they already are

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Representatives came from each of the parties in the Senate, 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: In the afternoon there was workshops, and one of them 
happened to be on health, and I thought, Well, that's interesting. I think I'll join 
that one because I've done a lot of food stuff.

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Health.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and when I gave a relief that told what they were doing, 
she said, I absolutely want to come to your well-being

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And finally, in the Hay festival this year I was asked to do 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Normally, the way it works is somebody do a presentation? And
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and when I got down there they said, Oh, you'll be 
co-presenting. Oh, gosh! I'm wondering who I'm co-presenting with.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Jane Davison not only set up the the future Generations 
Commissioner's office

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: by creating the wellbeing future generations act in 2,015, 
but she has now been tasked by the Welsh Government to lead a commission in effect.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: which is called the Wales net 0 35 climate challenge. And the 
climate challenge is this.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we don't know how much longer after that it's likely to reach 
at the moment. The trajectory is, it is not going to get better.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So Jane Davidson is working out what needs to be done by 
2035 for us to get there by 2050,

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and that will cover every single aspect of the climate 
challenge. So it's an enormous task.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and I'm hoping that what we're doing will be a small 
footnote in her report, which apparently is coming out next month.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and both of those. As a result of our meeting she mentioned 
what we were doing, and said that this is the sort of thing that needs to be rolled 
out across Wales.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Now, our initiative is really for rural. So it doesn't cover 
everything. We're going to need to do lots and lots of different things and lots and 
lots of different sectors to make all this work.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that basically is is where we are on on the national and 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And now I'm going to talk a bit about running assemblies. So 
I'm going to be talking about marketing the question of the assembly, facilitating it,
designing it

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: a a trick I learned about publicity for future use. The 
metrics we use to measure our success, the follow through we have to do in the 
achievements we've reached so far.

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of this stuff.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But climate camera ran a a session on intrinsic value, language 
and extrinsic value language. So I began to understand that

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the nature of the words that you use are very important when 
we're doing publicity, and I know this is all part of copy license, but it's more than 
it's more than that.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: If you use intrinsic value language, you would appeal to the 
emotions of people.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and if you use open sentences instead of closed sentences, it 
makes it a great

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copywriting, I

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So between us, you know, we drafted and redrafted until we got 
where we got to, and the question is, would it work? Did it?

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: delegates to our assembly. That's as many as we could fit into 
the room with 10 facilitators and 10 notetakers and 9 staff.

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floor manager.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: about a hundred, about twice that many. So a hundred 60 
people

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and it it means that there is a demand out there nowhere and 
above those

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and of course we captured their names because they're on the 
waiting list, so we can actually get in touch with them.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: There were also those who didn't put themselves on the waiting 
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And then it's a question of the it's the question that matters 
the importance of the question.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We, our our objective, was to keep climate deniers out of the 
room. We weren't really interested in talking to them or engaging with them.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: This this initiative isn't about converting anybody to anything.
It's about finding out in the community who supports which particular aspect of what 
you're doing, and bring them in and see where you go from there.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So it's not. The question we could have asked is, what should 
we do about climate change

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: or something like that? But we didn't. We were much more 
specific.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So you're not going to come to this meeting if you don't 
already believe that you should support a m. 1.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And in a market town. That's not an easy. That's that's a 
really easy sell, because the history of the market town

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: is this.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So we know that the local farmers used to come into town on 
the Thursday in the fifties and sixties and supply all the food into the town. That's 
how it used to be.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So it's we're asking people to go back to where we were, but do it in a different way. And that resonated in in a way such that we got the people.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: work out about facilitation and facilitating training, and so 
on, and so forth, and I was very lucky. I found

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and discovered it is the Bible on, on facilitating

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and being a little sort of cheeky, I suppose.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and went to the website. Discovered that they had not that 
many, but they had a few online courses, one of which was coming up

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and so I

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: wrote an email to Sam Kaner

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and told him what we were doing. And

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: ask them

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Tell them I wanted to join the course, and that we didn't have 
any money.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: By the way, the course costs $2,000

368
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and we didn't have any money. So

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So I got an an email back saying that he was really interested 
in what we were doing.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that he'd love to come and and find out more when he's over in 
the Uk again, and that he would like to

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: invite me as a guest to the course, so we so effectively we got 
courses free.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and that enabled me to be much more confident about how to 
design the Assembly.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Actually, the 3rd edition doesn't

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: deal with assemblies. I think the 4th edition will.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So we set up a

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: one particular thing which I'll show you, which is

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: how we designed the assembly.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I mean, this is a spreadsheet, and each one of the

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: green things opens up with more information about what is being
done inside that segment?

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But basically, we opened the meeting

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and then we had somebody explain. Assembly was what the 
rules were, how it's going to work, and how the

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: facilitators worked, and what the note takers were going to 
do, and so on, and so forth.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And the idea was to

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: educate the attendees on an assembly and get their permission 
for facilitators to do their work.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Then we had an educational section

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: where they we had a number of short films on possible things 
that we could do, based upon things that have already been done both in this country and 
abroad.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And we have an expert on csas talking about how to set the 
Csa up.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and we had another expert farmer.

389
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: to

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I mean, there's very little. He doesn't know about all of this

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: to give a short talk as well.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And then we went into a breakout session

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: where the question had to be addressed by the the people at 
the Assembly.

395
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and that's where the hard work got done.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Then we had a tea and comfort break, and we had a final session,
 which was also a A,

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: another breakout session.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But we also had to fill out the feedback forms that were needed 
by the funders and the feedback form that we needed in order to be able to grow the 
initiative

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that that was basically how we did it. Now.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: if I was to do it again, I would

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: 1st of all realize that the tea and cake

403
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and comfort break is probably as important as the breakout 
session, because that's where people networked and more ideas came out.

404
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and they were then captured in what I've written here as the 
segment sip as the final section.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So we will adapt that for the next one that we we will run. 
I mean, if you've never done one of these things before you're learning on the on the 
hoof, basically. And so that was our learning for that.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: This was the piece of publicity that we got in our local 
newspaper. Now.

407
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: it's not that our local newspaper has a wide circulation, and a 
huge number of people are going to be influenced by an article in it. It's more how you 
use that in the future for other people.

408
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And the the trick is this, that

409
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: this article was on the inside of this newspaper.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So you take the header of the newspaper and you attach it to 
your article and effectively. That shows people where it comes from, which is the 
purpose of it.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: but also unconsciously makes people feel as though your article 
was given much more importance than probably it was

412
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: just a little trick.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: but I learned which I've used

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: in many other campaigns that I've done

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: so.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: How do we measure our progress? Well, we do it in through 3 
ways. Maybe. We do data analysis. So

417
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: for example, on the data analysis, we worked out that 10% of 
our community were interested in what we were doing.

418
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We also got 61 feedback forms and the feedback forms where 
people were volunteering skills and resources.

419
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And also we got a whole series of action plans which were 
suggested which we could implement.

420
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So that is the the 1st section you

421
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: collect data, and you analyze and the analysis of that data 
actually is

422
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: like specialists. We just were very lucky that someone who 
came to the Assembly was a data analyst. And so I've got really fantastic databases as 
a result of her being there.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the second has to do with community engagement.

424
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: This is this, this you just.

425
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: You can't measure this, you just have to feel it.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: What was happening was that the community was gaining ownership 
of the decisions that were being taken and the resulting actions needed.

427
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and that is really psychological and very important.

428
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And also

429
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: they gained an understanding that this initiative will bring 
about a redistolution of wealth within the community. Assuming we get it all right.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and the broader measures that the resilience initiative process
is already building resilience. So the mere facts that we're running. The thing

431
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: helps to build a feeling of community and togetherness

432
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the carbon. So so that that's the sort of second

433
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: metric, in a sense, you know. Second second group of metrics.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And of course the final one is is that we now have a structure 
in place to align with Banner, Baconia, national park and race to 0 campaign carbon 
targets

435
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: region.

436
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So we're we're in a system.

437
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So

438
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: what have we achieved in the last?

439
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: 7 months for our food.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: well, these are the items.

441
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and and this was interesting. This we formed a a Whatsapp 
group, and that was actually run by somebody else, not by me. And they decided they 
wanted to start up an evening market for real food in hay. We have a Thursday morning 
market.

442
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: but they thought that people who were at work weren't able to 
attend that market, and that they might be able to come to an evening market starts at 
4 30 on that Tuesday and finishes at 7 30.


443
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And that's up and running. And so that was, that's 1 thing 
which is actually.

444
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And we're also in negotiations to start an online supermarket 
for local growers

445
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that is based upon the Tamar Valley good food loop

446
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: system

447
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and

448
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the person Sarah Rock, who runs that came up and gave growers 
all over Wales an indication of how that worked.

449
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And I happen to be going to Cornwall for my holiday.

450
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and she invited me to go and see them. So she showed me 
everything they did and how they did it.

451
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and also one of the people that Derek Walker is in has 
connected us with

452
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: is somebody who helped to set up that online supermarket for 
them.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Sorry

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we don't have to reinvent the model. We can actually look to 
see whether we can do it for ourselves.

455
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: In our feedback form. I think we had 9 people, our landowners, 
or who

456
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: were prepared to talk to us about providing land to start a 
community supported agricultural business.

457
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: The reality is that in play in order to feed everybody over the 
next 10 years we would have to start

458
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: 10 csas, the optimum size for a Csa, I mean about as big as it 
can get is feeding 150 nurses.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So if if you do the maths and you're going to feed, say 80% of 
your community, we would need 6 or 7 of them.

460
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: however.

461
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we also learned that

462
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: by creating an online supermarket for growers.

463
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that the growers would fill that marketplace.

464
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So if we harness the demand and point it in the direction of 
the growers that are operating locally.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we probably don't need to be running Csas.

466
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Now it is possible that there will be a group of people, either 
householders or a group of growers who want to start a Csa, in which case we will be 
able to find land for them on which to do that.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We've also created a resource for a library of assemblies. So 
we've got our film resource, which is cut up into different useful bits for other people 
to use if they want to, in their assemblies.

468
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And we also had to develop a requirement for a Csa for 
landowners. So we know exactly what that's going to look like.

469
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and a methodology by which we capture the learnings in the way 
in which we organize our assemblies.

470
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So we've we've done all of that.

471
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So we now have a database of skill resources from our feedback 
form and a database of those actions.

472
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So

473
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: coming to the end of it all.

474
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: what exactly is the community resilience initiative?

475
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Well.

476
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: it starts with changing our story. It's a systems change model.

477
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And to actually bring about systems change. You have to start 
telling yourself a different story

478
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: within your culture.

479
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And if you change your story you'll change your culture.

480
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: At the moment. We've lived in a capitalist system where all of 
us are treated as consumers.

481
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So we're anonymous consumers within a capitalist system.

482
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: What this does is this actually emphasizes that we are citizens 
of a community.

483
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and as citizens of the community, we are to be treated in a 
completely different way

484
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: than being consumers in a capitalist society.

485
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So if we change our story into into one where we emphasize that 
we are citizens in our community. And we're going to actually take ownership of those 
areas over which we feel we need to given the coming climate catastrophe, which is more,
and getting worse. And may

486
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we hope it's going to be resolved? But it I don't think it will 
be. We're all fairly pessimistic about it. But even if it does get resolved, an 
initiative like this would go a long way to supporting and making our community more 
resilient.

487
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And, by the way, on energy, for example.

488
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we have a situation where

489
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: most of our energy comes from sea

490
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: wind power in the sea, and it's very, very valuable.

491
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: whereas if we could generate our own local energy production, 
it's much, much less

492
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: are likely to be attacked because it would be all over the 
place, it would be every

493
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and more difficult to be much more resilient.

494
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We've also got a strategic approach by addressing 3 issues, 
food, wellbeing, and energy, we fit into the national strategic structure.

495
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And remember, when we started this, there wasn't a national 
strategic structure.

496
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and and we had to work with many other people to make to make 
that

497
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I mean.

498
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I didn't do very much except pitch up to meetings with a lot of 
other people.

499
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: People are not much more important than Ireland.

500
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: also, this initiative mobilizes and motivates citizens

501
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: by involving and giving people a say, we create a sense of 
ownership.

502
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: It gives people agency over their future by creating a sense of ownership. We give our community agency

503
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: introducing deliberative democracy

504
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: in using community assemblies. We introduce a whole new way to work democratically as a community. And for those who haven't actually been ever been to a community assembly, it it is facilitated in such a way that everybody gets to speak.

505
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Everybody gets to learn how to listen to other people

506
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: without thinking about what they're going to say in response 
and actually listen to them properly.

507
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and everybody is valued equally.

508
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So. You don't have extroverts and loud mouths, as you do in 
public meetings. Taking things over.

509
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: it's a completely different way of working.

510
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: also, it results in reducing our collective footprint. It 
addresses the zero carbon issues without emphasizing

511
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: without emphasizing it basically.

512
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And it builds community resilience and cohesion which in turn

513
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: gives a sense

514
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: of community.

515
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: a sense of citizenry, a sense of hope.

516
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: purpose.

517
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And below.

518
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So that's it, really

519
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And

520
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Now I've got to get out there.

521
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: let's see how I do that. And then.

522
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: right

523
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: right, I'm I'm back and

524
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: do I have to do anything to stop sharing.

525
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah, yes, there's a button up at the top 
of the screen. There you go. Well done.

526
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Mike.

527
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: That wow! That was fantastic. That was 
quite the most extraordinary piece of joined up thinking I've ever seen in any sort of 
government organization. I wonder if you wouldn't mind taking over a certain country.

528
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Sarah whitelaw: Can get this.

529
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I think.

530
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Funny enough. I've just come back from 
quite a long yacht trip sailing back from the Azores, and we had a guy on board that I 
spent a lot of time talking to

531
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: who has declared that the Uk Government is 
not fit for purpose, and therefore he's going to redesign it.

532
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So I'm going to send in this video and 
say, Oi, you've got some lessons to learn from this! That was absolutely stunning, Mike, 
and very, very exciting. I'm sure lots of people will have questions for you, and I'd 
ask people to use the hands up system within Zoom, please, but I have a couple of my own 
to get started with.

533
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: so you threw some numbers at us at the 
beginning of how much could be saved by reducing local food or local energy. Could I 
just ask where the sources are for those?

534
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Came from Barnabara. Coney.

535
00:58:02.363 --> 00:58:09.260
Mike E - Hay Resilience: Grandpa County used to be Brecon. Biggest national park. It's 
it's now simply bounded by Pilot

536
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: National fund

537
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and

538
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: it was a failing state and it was taken over by a new CEO. And 
she brought in

539
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: really experienced climate activists

540
00:58:27.340 --> 00:58:37.639
Mike E - Hay Resilience: who developed the 5 Year Plan and that 5 Year Plan had 
those targets in it as what would be achievable

541
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: or what we needed to achieve in the next 5 years.

542
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And so I was involved with talking to them, and I was saying 
so. If we do this.

543
00:58:49.890 --> 00:58:54.210
Mike E - Hay Resilience: will that apply to us, and they said yes, and they hired

544
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: some organization to come in and look at everything that was 
happening.

545
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: practically concentric, Cardio. And they came up with the 
figures, so I've literally lifted their figures

546
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: with their consent, properly.

547
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Hey? Well, I think that's 1 and one last 
quick question. One of your slides mentioned that you've created this

548
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: collection of resources, the films and the 
numbers, and so forth. And is that available for us to have a look at?

549
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: It could be I I have to tell you just at the moment I'm so 
overstretched that, putting those in a way

550
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: where other people can use them, and I can just sort of hand 
them over. It's going to require significant amount of more work.

551
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And it's something

552
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I I change. Whenever I do anything, I try and create a trail 
such that somebody else can

553
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: improve upon it and repeat it.

554
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And I've done that with everything that I've done

555
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: in the sort of

556
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: community area, and I've done lots of things in the community 
area

557
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Mike E - Hay Resilience:in the last 25 years.

558
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: so the answer is, yes.

559
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: but

560
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: it depends. I I'm hoping to bring in

561
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: somebody to help me working 3 days a week. That will then make 
it a lot easier for me to get that done, and and so on, and so forth. But although I've 
got a lot of people who are volunteering, so on and so forth. It's not the same as 
having somebody who's working on it, because you have them at meetings. You try and get 
into work, and it's really difficult to organize people around that and get consistency 
in what trying to do.

562
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So we're out there raising money.

563
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Wow! Keeping track of what you've been 
doing and leaving a trail is even more joined up thinking - extraordinary!

564
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: You're going to be very dangerous in the 
world to come, Mike, but let me pass on to other people. I'm sure, Liz, you've got your 
hand up first, Would you like to have a go? Please.

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Liz Shayler (Banwell PC): Yeah, thanks, Mike, that was really really interesting. So how 
are you finding the balance with the food versus the energy? Because I know in North 
Somerset we're struggling at the moment with, there is a draft local plan that's very 
much pushing solar farms and wind farms. However, they? A lot of that has been 
identified on agricultural land. So I just wondered how you were with that kind of 
balance between the sustainable energy versus the food production.

566
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Well the amount of of room that we need in order to be able to 
have a wind farm that will

567
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: provide enough electricity for all of us is is really quite 
small.

568
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: It's nowhere near as big as you think it is. And so

569
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I mean at the moment we haven't kind of 
addressed that the bottleneck

570
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: is the grid, and this kind of is a problem.

571
01:01:50.770 --> 01:01:55.380
Mike E - Hay Resilience: and I'm not sure how we're going to get round it. But

572
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we're hoping that with the new government and the, you know 
their emphasis on on community energy and and an energy company, and so on and so forth, 
will support us. But if they kybosh it, then we're kyboshed

573
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: so what we're trying to do is to get started

574
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: so

575
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that we're already up and running before they come in with 
something which kyboshes us in

576
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and then we'll see what happens. But but we don't seem to 
have a conflict.

577
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I mean, the other thing is that

578
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the amount of land that you need to grow for a community is 
relatively small.

579
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We could feed the whole of Hay

580
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: on about a hundred and ten acres

581
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and there's huge amounts of land up.

582
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: you know, so you know most farmers well, I don't know if this 
is true, but when I was a kid most farmers had about 300 acres.

583
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: so 

584
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: you know, it would have been possible on on a farm to feed 
somewhere 3 times the size of our community.

585
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I mean? It wouldn't, of course, because it wouldn't all be 
suitable. But but that, that kind of puts into context how much land you need.

586
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And of course, up until recently horticulture got got no 
recognition from the Government at all in terms of substantive support.

587
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and that is changing - hasn't yet changed in Wales, but it has 
in England.

588
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and that should make a significant difference to help growers
come in.

589
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We have the Black Mountains College, which is not very far away 
who are training people to come into the industry.

590
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: We've also got a very active land Workers Alliance Union, which 
I'm a member of as well as a lot of other people

591
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and

592
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So

593
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: at the moment we haven't hit a balance. But having said that, I 
haven't launched the energy pillar yet.

594
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: but I've done a lot of

595
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: you know. You have to get in underneath all of this in order to 
be able to launch a pillar to make it make sense. So I I understand the position that 
you're in.

596
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But if the community owns it.

597
01:04:16.500 --> 01:04:18.839
Mike E - Hay Resilience: then it's 1 community company.

598
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: If there are companies that want to come in because they want 
to use the land around your community in order to generate electricity. That's a 
different ball game.

599
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: That isn't what this is about.

600
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: If we don't own it.

601
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I'm not going to. And in fact, I'm going to do everything I can 
to stop it happening.

602
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Because only by the community owning it itself can those 
profits be generated and go back into the community. So that's the only way we could 
fund a community community resilience. We have to have funding from somewhere. We can't 
always go out for grants because grants will get us started, but they won't keep us 
going.

603
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So we have to have a financially viable business that will 
generate enough profit to be able to go back into the community so that this thing works 
into the future.

604
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and of course we don't know if that's going to.

605
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Brilliant. Thank you very much. Cara: 
You're up, please.

606
01:05:13.850 --> 01:05:16.535
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and you're still- no, you're not muted any 
longer. Well done.

607
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Thanks marvelous, Mike, thank you. I like what 
you are doing a lot, I wondered

608
01:05:25.750 --> 01:05:38.144
Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: how you're potentially linking in a network 
with other community kind of led solutions. I know that there's a few more resilience 
groups that are now setting up: one in Bristol has recently

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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: come to light, which is very exciting. Not with 
what you've been done is is similar to what a transition network has kind of been led 
on. I suffer transition many years ago. And it's great, isn't it, that food is really 
emotive? So it brings lots of people together, and from there you can kind of start 
going into other pillars, as you call it, but also one planet living for for Wales. I 
wondered whether there was a link in with that, because similarly, they've got different 
branches around

610
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: food and energy, all within the

611
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: kind of setting within the resources that the 
planet can sustain itself each year, and that to keep surviving, to kind of keep within 
that but also wanted to thank you for what you just said about energy and that 
opportunity to hybridize that food and energy are not exclusive. They can be inclusive, 
but both can be

612
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: produced in the same space if you do it 
cleverly.

613
01:06:29.010 --> 01:06:29.560
Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: but.

614
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So the the question was, Who am I connected with.

615
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Yeah, your networks. I love a network.

616
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Well, I'm getting.

617
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Requests to talk more about this.

618
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But

619
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: ultimately what I want to do is to get each of these pillars 
up and working and independent of me, because we're developing this as a library 
service. So we're trying to persuade the the powers that be in the government, that it 
should be rolled out through libraries throughout Wales to rural communities.

620
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But

621
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And I think that that will happen.

622
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I've also been asked to speak at various different conferences 
and things like that, and and that sort of things

623
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: specifically.

624
01:07:22.110 --> 01:07:24.749
Mike E - Hay Resilience: I am connected with all sorts of organizations.

625
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But

626
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: you know, and it's it.

627
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: In a sense

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: it's not as connected as it might be. And, in fact, if somebody 
could go out there and create a list of all the people who one should be connected to
within all of these particular areas. That would be a huge help to me, because I just 
stumble upon across them. You join one organization. You find somebody for that. Oh, 
gosh! Well, we have something in common. We'll do that. So it's it's kind of networking 
rather than

629
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: knowing everything about what's going on in the country.

630
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Yeah, for sure, which I wondered about linking 
in with maybe one planet, whether

631
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: I've already got kind of green.

632
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I haven't. So it's One Planet Wales, is it?

633
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Yeah, One Planet Living. They're kind of quite 
inspiring in terms of what they're trying to do and embed it into policy as well.

634
01:08:22.270 --> 01:08:25.900
Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: which is obviously challenging. So I'm not sure 
how successful it's being. But

635
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: yeah, looking at housing, energy food,

636
01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:47.270
Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: using the kind of global ability to regenerate 
its resources to sustain people as it's kind of main thing, because currently western 
civilization in particular consumes about 3 planets' worth of resources each year. And 
that's growing. It's become.

637
01:08:47.883 --> 01:08:56.979
Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: you know, kind of wasteful society, which 
obviously cannot continue sustain. And yeah, the one planet was kind of started.

638
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: Think.

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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: don't quote me on this, even though it's being 
recorded. I feel like the Peabody Trust has something to do with it. But, there's a 
whole organization that's helped to set out these different pillars, as you call it, 
looking at the different elements of energy, food,

640
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:20.389
Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: housing; several of them have water, I think, 
as well. And what can be done to ensure that we're we're living within those

641
01:09:20.410 --> 01:09:32.499
Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: parameters. But the the kind of Welsh 
Government assembly have been very forward thinking in terms of adopting this as a 
methodology

642
01:09:32.569 --> 01:09:40.389
Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: of which one planet Wales is kind of quite 
inspiring. If that can be embedded into the outcomes through policy in particular.

643
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Cara Naden Environment Somerset Council: And yeah, yeah.

644
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: right. Well, I I could say more about that, but I see time is 
moving on so, Stuart. Perhaps you should

645
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Cllr Stuart Withington Dunmow, Essex: Hi, thanks! That was a very inspirational talk.

646
01:09:58.380 --> 01:10:02.269
Cllr Stuart Withington Dunmow, Essex: I'm I'm sure most people take away quite a lot 
from that.

647
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Cllr Stuart Withington Dunmow, Essex: I I do quite a lot of growing my own food.

648
01:10:08.110 --> 01:10:16.540
Cllr Stuart Withington Dunmow, Essex: And currently, I've got a glut of tomatoes, 
aubergines, runner, beans, courgettes.

649
01:10:16.590 --> 01:10:20.030
Cllr Stuart Withington Dunmow, Essex: etc. Etc. Apples, pears, plums.

650
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Cllr Stuart Withington Dunmow, Essex: I was just wondering what you do about the 
seasonality of your

651
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Cllr Stuart Withington Dunmow, Essex: grow, your own.

652
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Yeah.

653
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: yeah. Well, I mean, this is always an issue. You extend it by 
using polytunnels. And by the way, you could use hemp to produce the plastic that you 
need for polytunnels.

654
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and something needs to be done about that.

655
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But that's another story. So the the season is extended by 
using polytunnels. And there are also instances where you may not have everything that 
you need

656
01:10:57.200 --> 01:11:03.980
Mike E - Hay Resilience: and in that case you will go further out than your local area 
with your food supermarket.

657
01:11:04.220 --> 01:11:05.933
Mike E - Hay Resilience: But basically,

658
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and the other thing is, if you develop an online food, local 
food supermarket. Then what you'll you you can also do is you can add value to your 
produce by using your tomatoes to produce something else. So that you could.

659
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: you know you could.

660
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Well, you could do chutneys. You could do all sorts of things 
you could do jams. You could do

661
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: all sorts of stuff.

662
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So

663
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: it seems that this isn't actually

664
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: as much of a problem as you might think it is.

665
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: What what happened in Hays when when there was too much food 
produced

666
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we would give it to a restaurant who would cook it up

667
01:11:51.830 --> 01:11:56.410
Mike E - Hay Resilience: into meals, freeze them, and give them to the food bank

668
01:11:56.480 --> 01:12:03.140
Mike E - Hay Resilience: is the food bank won't take raw food because the people who go 
to the Food bank don't know how to cook

669
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and you know, that's yes. Another problem which which

670
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: what's to do with it?

671
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And you know, in a sense, all I can do is the best

672
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that I can

673
01:12:18.030 --> 01:12:20.240
Mike E - Hay Resilience: with what I'm doing, and

674
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: see where we get to. And hopefully.

675
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: when not any more people get involved in project here. But more 
of these projects get going, then then we will learn more about this. But on the we 
can't even start with a food supermarket. If we don't supply milk, eggs.

676
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: bread, butter, and cheese.

677
01:12:47.089 --> 01:12:52.540
Mike E - Hay Resilience: Because it's those things that people go to a normal 
supermarket thing.

678
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And so if you want them to come to your online supermarket. You 
have to provide a whole load of products right now

679
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the Tamar good food loop has got all sorts of things that 
selling

680
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: various different, you know.

681
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: things like jams, and so on, and so forth.

682
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Cllr Stuart Withington Dunmow, Essex: Okay, so thank you for that.

683
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Thank you very much, Stuart

684
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Penny. You're up next, please.

685
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Penny Q - Weymouth: Hi, thanks, Mike, that's really inspiring. Hearing what what you're 
doing. If if I could just focus a little bit on the the assemblies part of it, cause
I've been an activist with Extinction Rebellion, and and people's assemblies are very 
much, you know. One of the things they are advocating for. And I

686
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Penny Q - Weymouth: put in the chat that there is an opportunity this weekend, if 
anybody's never been in a people's assembly or a community assembly.

687
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Penny Q - Weymouth: or

688
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Penny Q - Weymouth: ideally, a citizen's assembly, which is what we would.

689
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Penny Q - Weymouth: you know, ask the Government to to do, to help us work out what

690
01:14:00.580 --> 01:14:08.230
Penny Q - Weymouth: what we can do in the face of the the climate crisis we're facing. 
So I just wondered how how you came

691
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Penny Q - Weymouth: to that model and

692
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Penny Q - Weymouth: you know

693
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Penny Q - Weymouth: how how you see the the application of the assembly maybe being 
used in in other areas of local

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Penny Q - Weymouth: government. Maybe.

695
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Well,

696
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I I joined Extinction Rebellion in 2019, and I 

697
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: played a fairly active part in some of the

698
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: actions that we took

699
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: early on in 2019 we we decided we'd set up friends of the 
Upper Wye, because we were concerned about the pollution in the river Wye.

700
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and we decided we wouldn't brand it XR, because we thought we 
wouldn't get as many people into it.

701
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and the net result of that was friends with the Upper Wye, the 
Middle Wye, the Lower Wye save the Wye fergal Sharkey and

702
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that journalist in bargain.

703
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: anyway, it doesn't matter and.

704
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Penny Q - Weymouth: Bio.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: George Montre. That's right. And so he worked with us on, on 
all of that. And and that started all of that. And of course, because

706
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: my 1st

707
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: experience of of Xr was at the Byline Times festival in 
August

708
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: 2,019, where Xr. Took over a 3rd of that festival.

709
01:15:31.220 --> 01:15:34.429
Mike E - Hay Resilience: and ran it assembly after assembly after assembly.

710
01:15:34.470 --> 01:15:40.580
Mike E - Hay Resilience: and having seen what happened in those assemblies, I thought, 
Wow, this is the way we have to go.

711
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: 2 years ago, we I I Co, organize a really big river event 
because we can do stuff, or at least Xr as Xr hath on. We can do stuff that

713
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the negotiating bodies and pressure groups can't do. We can 
close down food factories, we can close down. We can make a nuisance of ourselves.

714
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and we ran a very big demonstration in Hereford.

715
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And

716
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I mean, I have no idea who would turn up if anybody would 
turn up and and over 150 people turned up 9 o'clock on Monday morning outside the 
slaughter chicken slaughter

717
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But I'd created a website again because I wanted to measure 
the the

718
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the success of what we were doing. So I created a website 
which would send a letter to each of the 3 conservative Mps who'd been sitting on 
their backsides while all this is happening.

719
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and and the CEO of of Avaro Target, who

720
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: who are the main people who have

721
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: creation, the

722
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: pollution in the Wild

723
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and

724
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and

725
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: the leaflet was designed to

726
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: to push people towards that website.

727
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: so that they would send messages through these people.

728
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And

729
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: I think I was the 1st person who actually did a diagram 
schematic of the supply chain.

730
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So the leaflet talked about murder in Brazil

731
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: ends in the death of the wine.

732
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and that was something which people resonated with. I mean, 
they had no idea when they went into the supermarket and bought their chicken.

733
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: that this was behind it.

734
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and over 600 people

735
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: went to the website and sent letters out for them.

736
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Then after that we were having a strategic meeting about what 
we were going to do next, and everybody wanted to rush around and do another action 
here, there.

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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and and I, I said that that was a very difficult meeting. 
We've got 25 people in it. I was the only one. I said, I think we should go back in 
our communities. And I think that if we really want to build this movement

738
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: we should run community assemblies in our communities, 
because I know that if I run a community assembly or a series of them, and those 
achieve something that if you want, you know a hundred people from hay to go to be on 
the streets at a certain time. I will be able to get them for you.

739
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: because the community will understand the value both of the 
organization, Extinction Rebellion, and also of the Community Assembly. Therefore they 
will understand what the Citizens Assembly is, and if they've never been to an 
assembly at all. There's no way.

740
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: actually, there's no way, anyway, because no politician is 
going to give up rights to decide policy.

741
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But you can use assemblies in order to bring about

742
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: meaningful action which will result in in agency for 
communities. So it made perfect sense to come back and do that.

743
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And that just happened to be doing at the same time as I'd set 
up a public library.org in order to save pay library.

744
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And so it made sense to sell palace. This vision of how we 
could develop the library, provide these services and the whole thing kind of fit 
together and thought, wow! This is. This is the way to go.

745
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: So that's my background into it. But I'm I'm I'm well aware, 
more assemblance. But at the moment there's the humanity project and distrust the 
people they're doing.

746
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Assemblies are being run all over the place, but most of the 
people who are running assemblies are not being strategic about it. And what worries me 
is that they will become debased

747
01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:35.820
Mike E - Hay Resilience: because people who go off to these meetings all of this stuff 
happens, and nothing happens.

748
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And and and that's

749
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: yeah. That will kill it.

750
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Not until support for it no longer be using so forth.

751
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And I don't know how you control that. And I'm not even going 
to try.

752
01:19:48.370 --> 01:19:52.110
Mike E - Hay Resilience: I'm just going to do it in my community in the way which I 
think it should be done.

753
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: But also we have local councillors who use our assembly 
facilitators in order to run assemblies for villages in their community addressing 
particular issues that they're dealing with. So we're talking about parking issues 
we're talking about

754
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: speeding traffic. We're talking about various things like that.
 And and so we we pop along and facilitate those meetings. And and that helps the 
councillors to have a

755
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: relationship with the

756
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: their electorate. And it seems to work really well. So the 
demand for our facilitators group is beginning to grow.

757
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Penny Q - Weymouth: Can I? Just one last question, how did how do? How have you trained 
your facilitators, or how have you?

758
01:20:41.350 --> 01:20:46.029
Penny Q - Weymouth: Have they come through sort of activism route? Or have they come? 
All sorts of routes.

759
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Well, all sorts of all, all sorts of groups, I mean, we've got.
We've got a couple of people who run citizens assemblies now internationally

760
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: in in the group. We use trust of people

761
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and their course. We also developed our own course.

762
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And we also, use the Humanities project.

763
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: They have a course, too.

764
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: and we just get our people to go on those courses and go on. 
Go on them more than once. If we can manage to persuade them to do that.

765
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: And then it's you know, it's practice practice, and.

766
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Penny Q - Weymouth: Cool. Thank you.

767
01:21:31.310 --> 01:21:38.640
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, that was astonishing, reassuring, 
exhilarating, exciting, and gives us all sorts of.

768
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Too much. Graham.

769
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: No

770
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I was actually going to moving up towards 
saying Mike, that some of the ideas that you've had like pulling together the networks 
and getting people to move towards the same sort of ending. Culture is largely what 
we're hoping to do with the great collaboration. So.

771
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Yes.

772
01:22:00.780 --> 01:22:06.750
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Your your presentation today has just 
been affirmation for us that we're running in roughly the right direction.

773
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Mike E - Hay Resilience: Yeah.

774
01:22:07.460 --> 01:22:15.120
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: As I said, it's very, very uplifting to 
see that joined up thinking actually does achieve results. It's lovely.

775
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So thank you so much for the day. I'm 
assuming that any other questions would have raised their hands by now. So we're done 
for the day. I will be putting all of this up on the wiki. So if you want to come back 
to have a look at it and get re-enthused, this, that's the place to go to.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And if you're interested in biospheres,

777
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: next week is the place to come to. And 
there was a question from somebody about doing a biodiversity audit, if any of you have0
 ideas, perhaps you could get in touch with

778
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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I can't find actually who it was that 
asked about it. But there was somebody who asked about a biodiversity audit.

779
01:22:50.290 --> 01:22:51.970
Amanda Davis: It is an Amanda Graham.

780
01:22:51.970 --> 01:22:56.029
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Okay. Well, Amanda, I'm sure somebody 
will get in touch with you.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Thank you all so much for your time. 
Really good to see everybody, and I look forward to whatever happens next. And, Peter, 
I'm sorry, Mike, really good luck with your

782
01:23:06.060 --> 01:23:10.260
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: community. I'm sure that you're going to 
spawn a lot of others.

783
01:23:10.670 --> 01:23:16.980
Mike E - Hay Resilience: Well, I hope so also, just to add, somebody asked if I'm happy 
to share my email.

784
01:23:17.878 --> 01:23:23.569
Mike E - Hay Resilience: and yes, I'm I. If you want to give my email out. That's fine. 
Now.

785
01:23:23.570 --> 01:23:28.070
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: By all means just chuck it into the chat. 
Now, Mike, and then everyone can see it

786
01:23:28.220 --> 01:23:29.610
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and be around there.

787
01:23:29.820 --> 01:23:30.690
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and at one.

788
01:23:31.330 --> 01:23:32.960
Wendy Thomson: Thanks, Mike, thanks a lot.

789
01:23:33.170 --> 01:23:37.990
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: There's a quick question coming in from 
Peter. If you want to ask your question, Peter, now is a good time.

790
01:23:41.770 --> 01:23:42.540
Mike E - Hay Resilience: Okay.

791
01:23:42.540 --> 01:23:43.670
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Peter Anderson.

792
01:23:44.100 --> 01:23:47.790
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: It's gone down again now. So maybe you've 
had second thoughts.

793
01:23:48.260 --> 01:23:49.150
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Okay.

794
01:23:49.330 --> 01:23:59.010
Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: well, in that case, thank you all very 
much and good to see you, and I hope to see you again. Take care and have a wonderful 
rest of the week. Bye, bye, all.


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Cllr Stuart Withington Dunmow, Essex: Thanks.