# Banter 107:  18Feb26  Drones, with Ben Ford

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### Presentation:

No separate presentation slides this session - the video is the presentation

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### Meeting Summary:

Feb 18, 2026 11:52 AM London ID: 834 5460 8536

### Quick recap

The meeting focused on drones and their applications, with Benjamin presenting on various uses including thermal imaging, roof surveys, and solar panel inspections. He demonstrated how drones can capture detailed images and 3D models of properties, identify insulation issues, and assess solar panel damage. Benjamin also discussed the regulations governing drone operations, including the need for qualifications like A2CFC certification. The group explored potential applications for drones in disaster response, traffic monitoring, and communications, with Mike suggesting the use of drones for emergency communication relays. The conversation ended with a discussion of the technical limitations of current drones, including battery life and signal interference.

### Next steps

* [Benjamin: Jot down drone regulations, qualifications, and relevant links in a document and send to Graham after the meeting.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=gaURK7iWSeGDh3HnGKd5qQ%3D%3D\&stepId=420015df-0ccc-11f1-9344-3e9a9334f05e)
* [Benjamin: Put email address in the chat for participants to contact him if needed.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=gaURK7iWSeGDh3HnGKd5qQ%3D%3D\&stepId=4200205b-0ccc-11f1-ad3b-3e9a9334f05e)

### Summary

#### Drone Career and Applications Overview

Benjamin shared his journey into drones, starting as a hobby and evolving into a career, particularly focusing on thermography and data collection. He highlighted the importance of compliance with CAA rules and the potential risks of drones interfering with emergency services. Benjamin also discussed various commercial applications of drones, including solar and property surveys, and demonstrated a project for Harper Sans involving 3D modeling and orthomosaic mapping. The meeting experienced some technical difficulties with Zoom sharing features.

#### Drone Property Inspection Capabilities

Benjamin demonstrated drone capabilities for property inspections, including roof surveys and thermal imaging, explaining how they can capture detailed images and 3D models to help identify defects and insulation issues. He showed examples of both image data and thermal mapping, including a case where missing insulation was discovered to be causing mould problems in a rental property. The discussion revealed that while drones can provide valuable insights, they need to be complemented with on-site inspections for a complete assessment.

#### Thermal Drone Inspection for Solar Panels

Benjamin explained the use of thermal drones for inspecting solar panel installations and roofs, highlighting issues like damaged cells, delamination, and bird feces. He discussed the importance of regular solar panel inspections, especially for properties with installations within the last 8 years. Benjamin also mentioned a new device, the Manifold 3, which will enable automatic annotation of images with serial numbers and barcodes, and he provided recommendations for drones suitable for thermal surveys, such as the DJI Mavic 3T or Matrice 4T, along with the necessary A2COC certification.

#### Drone Technology and Regulatory Overview

Benjamin discussed drone technology applications, including thermal imaging and traffic monitoring, and explained the qualifications and regulations for drone operations. He mentioned working with companies like Drone Ranger for large-scale surveys and provided cost estimates for drone services. Graham inquired about thermal mapping for parish councils, and Benjamin shared his experience with a similar project in Ventnor. The conversation also covered the necessary qualifications and compliance requirements for drone operators, including the A2CFC and GVC courses.

#### Drone Safety Regulations Overview

Benjamin explained drone safety regulations, noting that drones weighing over 250 grams must stay 5 meters away from people and 50 meters away from larger drones. He clarified that flying drones over crowds of people, especially those over 800 in number, is a police matter and requires operational authorisation. Amanda raised concerns about drone safety at public events, particularly in light of the Terrorism Act 2000, which imposes additional responsibilities on councils for events with over 800 people. Benjamin advised that councils can request drone operators to cease flying if they are taking off or landing on council land, and failure to comply would be a police matter.

#### Drone Regulations and Safety Measures

Benjamin explained the use of NOTAMs (Notice to Airmen) to create no-fly corridors for responsible drone pilots, noting that some hobbyists may not be aware of this requirement. He emphasized the importance of proper documentation and risk assessment for commercial drone operations, including carrying identification cards and necessary permits. Amanda shared her experience working with Jennifer, a professional drone flyer for Thames Water, who helped her understand drone regulations. Benjamin also discussed the noise levels of different drone sizes, ranging from 50-60 decibels for smaller drones to 140-200 decibels for larger ones, and emphasized the need to maintain appropriate distances from people when operating drones.

#### Drones for Agricultural Mapping

Benjamin explained that drones are not feasible for delivery in the UK due to airspace congestion, but they are useful for agricultural mapping on the Isle of Wight. He detailed how multi-spectral drones provide high-resolution imagery (3-5 cm GSD) for variable rate spraying, which is more cost-effective than satellite data for small farms. Benjamin also described their automated drone system, which operates from a dock and can perform Beyond Visual Line of Sight (BVLOS) operations, though he noted that video footage is not as useful as photographs for mapping due to motion blur.

#### Drone Sensing and Collision Avoidance

Benjamin explained that drones typically operate autonomously with omnidirectional sensing and LiDAR capabilities for collision avoidance, and demonstrated a 3D model capture using omnidirectional sensors. He described different drone types used in Ukraine, including disposable FPV drones and larger drones capable of carrying mortars, with the Mavic 3 T2s preferred due to its rapid signal changes. The group discussed anti-collision technology, with Benjamin noting that most drones over £1,000 have omnidirectional sensing, including LiDAR and biomark sensors, while lower-priced drones may lack this feature.

#### Drone Mapping for Property Inspections

Benjamin explained how drones capture images at waypoints and create 3D models for property inspections, particularly useful for landlords who cannot visit properties in person. He demonstrated LiDAR data visualization, showing height and intensity measurements, and discussed the limitations of 3D meshes generated from camera data compared to pure 3D captures. Benjamin also shared examples of previous drone mapping work for Island Roads and Military Road areas, highlighting the utility of these mappings for disaster assessment and regular monitoring of landslide-prone sites.

#### Drone Safety and Inspection Applications

Benjamin demonstrated the use of drones, particularly an FPV drone, to assess hazardous areas and capture footage in challenging environments, such as cliff edges and flooded buildings. He explained that drones can operate in risky areas without human intervention and can be equipped with protective features like inductive propeller guards. Benjamin also showcased videos from previous drone flights, including one near a cliff at World Chime, which is inaccessible to humans due to safety concerns. The discussion highlighted the practical applications of drones for inspection and documentation in difficult-to-reach locations.

#### Drones for Surveillance and Communication

Benjamin explained the data storage capabilities of drones, noting that they record in 4K while transmitting lower-resolution footage back to the controller. He detailed the use of thermal drones to monitor sewage outlets during heavy rainfall, as hot water indicates potential pollution. The group discussed potential applications of drones in disaster areas, including communication relays, though Benjamin expressed uncertainty about signal interference. Benjamin also shared that his company uses a Tactical Communications Hub with 5G and Starlink capabilities for areas with poor cellular coverage.

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### Chat:

00:40:59 Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Drone Ranger LTd
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00:41:47 Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Dji Mavic 3T
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00:41:56 Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Dji Matrice 4T
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00:47:05 Carl Turner: Many thanks. I now need to go.
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00:50:11 Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: notam
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01:07:16 Amanda Davis: many thanks, gotogo
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01:23:53 Sarah Barnett - Buckland Dinham, near Frome, Somerset: Thank you Ben, that was great!
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01:23:58 Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: <info@wightdrone.com>

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, hello, I'm Ben from White Drone.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I've been asked today to come on and talk more about

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: what drones can do in the community, particularly more on the thermography side.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So we… drones are everywhere now, everyone's got one, pretty much. Good and bad.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: we see people with drones doing stupid things. Recently, there's one that, someone's got,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I'm not sure in the sentencing yet on that one, but they recorded a fire up in Manchester, some emergency services working over, using their drone to be in that airspace. It is ridiculous. We could have helicopters or anything coming in from, from, some helicopters have thermal imaging cameras on, so they could be monitoring situations, or…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Vice versa, the airspace isn't…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: and open to drones as such. We limit ourselves to 120 meters. If we have to go beyond that, we put in no terms we comply with all CAA rules, but there are ways of not complying with that, and there are people who don't comply with that.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So there are nuisance issues with drones, but we try and use our drones more for…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So commercial aspects, more data collection aspects.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So we do everything from solar surveys, property surveys, land surveys, we've had some different things as well, where we've had a device on it called a sniffer, which we've been using for methane detection. We're using that at Biodaches at Arrington.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: It's quite interesting to sort of see different levels of methane at 30 meters and 50 meters and 70 meters above.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: the asset there, and then seeing how much is in the air, and we can then apply that to a map, so we know the larger areas where the methane were, et cetera, et cetera.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: For me, my area is more geospatch for data collection and 3D modeling, so I prefer more to be mapping, taking a land map or a 3D model, interpreting that, bringing that either into a CAD model.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: To go further with clients, or to overlay onto different, CAD drawings that have already come across. So there's one that we did for… if I can just screen share…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, this one is… for Harper Sands.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And they're taking what they've got here for their map.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I wanted to overlay over to what's already on site at the present time, which was…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Just over a year ago.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I still believe there's no progression going on this at all.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: As yet.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So this is what they'll…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: are planning at the moment, I believe. I don't know if the plans have changed. So this is the more luxury side homes, this side is the affordable housing, and then back to more luxury homes that they wanted to put in.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, what we did was we went out and captured what we call an orthomosaic,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Someone that we are…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: capturing anywhere between 100 to 3,000 or 4,000 photos. The drone itself acts as a rover, and we have a base station with us on site, logged into an IMTRIP client.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Generally, we're looking around about between 10 and 15 mil accuracy.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: How do we get out of the share thing?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I don't know how to get other share thing, let's see.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Do you want to stop sharing, Ben, if you want to move out of there?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yep, just trying to figure that one out.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: top of the screen.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: on the top of the Zoom screen, that is.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: There'll be a stop sharing bar.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Something weird.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: She is, sweetie.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: So if you alt-tab to your Zoom screen, you should be able to see a stop sharing

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Tab at the top of the screen, top middle.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: A big green one for sharing, and a red one for stop sharing.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Problem of having so many screens, it's on the other side.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: There you go.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Sorry, I've got sick screens here. So…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: that's generally where I prefer to be, all of 3D modeling. So, we can come in, we'll do a share again.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Sweet.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Morning, David.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: What have we got there?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: That looks like… he showed up again?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Mavic Mini 2?

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David Newman: Autel Robotics.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Auto Robotics? Oh, you're one of those hotel people.

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David Newman: Yeah.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I've got a few over here on the side.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: How'd you find it? What'd you use it for?

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David Newman: Taking videos of areas around me.

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David Newman: to use… Either for the Green Party, or to pick up bits where developers are spoiling the environment.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, evidence data collection, then.

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David Newman: Yeah. But also, things I go to, like,

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David Newman: Bike meets, with thousands of bikes in one park.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Okay, so sometimes there, you'd have to…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Are you quite clued up in your CIA ranks at all, or…

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David Newman: I go right at the edge, looking sideways rather than above them, and it's less than 250 grams.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So as long as you keep them 50 meters away, so one of the… there's lots of regulations, but one of the big ones is there's crowds of people, you keep 50 meters away. Do you have flyer ID or ATCOC?

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David Newman: Yeah, I got the operator ID.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I didn'.

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David Newman: And, now got to do the exam for the, pilot one.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yep.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, did another screen share, so…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Something that can be done, moving

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: The community could help for you guys.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: would be for roof surveys. This is a particular one we do, which we provide a 3D model of the roof, so it's more easier for clients to actually see the defect. It does come with a report of findings, then we can click on different parts of the roof.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: That'll bring us to the image data that concerns… Sorry.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Probably from… Chip tiles, vegetation, tile slipping.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: -

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Also, from this as well, you can…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: hand this over to roof contractors, builders. We can actually take accurate volumetric data, so we can take area mass data as well, and measuring

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: moving points…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Another ass thing you can do as well.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Banola level of detail.

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Mike Bundock: It's fascinating.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: This is really good.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Unfortunately, when we come to look at the thermal one I'm just loading up now.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: The image camera wouldn't have… We just couldn't get that level of detail.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So this is a property in Cows, where we were looking at the thermal ethicity of the property. They recently purchased a property, and they wanted more to know whether the, insulation they had… they knew they had,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: People bearing insulation, the polystyrene insulation in the property before on records, but they wanted to know if it was taken out.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, we're looking here, so anything dark is cold, anything more gold is hot. So on this side wall.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: It's very, very warm, so we could probably say that it was taken out this side, but looking at the front down here.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Possibly not, but we did have a slate coverage up here, which can block the thermal… thermals coming out.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Let's do reverse of the property.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Let's get to work through that.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: One of the other things we do is dog searching.

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Carl Turner: So, sorry, can I just ask a quick question?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, on the thermal imaging.

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Carl Turner: If someone's got a slate roof, you're saying that you're not able to assess the…

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Carl Turner: Thermal integrity of the building.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yes and no. So, depending on the insulation that they have, so if the insulation that they have is directly over the loft cavity in space and it's thick enough, you're not really going to see a leak. If they have none, then we are going to see a hotter slate roof. It then depends whether it's slate, whether it's concrete tiles.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And what time of day we go there, and how much heating they've got in their house.

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Carl Turner: Okay.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So one of the other things is…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Dog searching, so this one was for Dottie, so we're using the thermal camera.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Trying to pick up and find her.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And she was… just failed.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So then we help ground crews to then lead to the position of where she is.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So not…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And also going back to geospatial data collection.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: A couple of years ago, we also did…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: the landscape at Bunbridge as well.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yeah.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: We've done an overlay, so we've done the author mosaic, we've done an overlay between what it originally was from the Google Map to what it was about a month afterwards.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: So, Ben, do you get a lot of commissions from councils who are looking for, changes to the vegetation, or lost people, or whatever? I should imagine old people who get lost must be quite high on the list.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Not so much. Mine's more, probably more insurance-focused. So the Isle of Wight Council does have an in-house drone pilot, and so they also use Ordnance Survey as well. So their in-house drone pilot is Mike Collins.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yeah, they're in.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: No, I know you'll see these Ordance Survey, so Auden Survey had flown out as well. That was for an insurance purpose.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So that's that.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: If we go back to what we can do for property sides… So, first point would be…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Heh… Which would probably be more than likely bird feces. This was at Bexton Sewage Works in London.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And that's just recording the volume of the, traffic going through at certain times, and at certain times of when traffic's being held up. The last one was for when, there was work up at Cobbins Bridge. Not Cobbins Bridge, Horsebridge Hill.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Because we have to think about safety. In a car, people traveling, we can mitigate the safety, but people not in the car traveling, even though they're still traveling, there's still… there's a large safety risk there, so we'd have to keep much further away. But it may be something you can talk with a drone major about, that they may be able to help.

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Amanda Davis: Brilliant, thank you ever so much.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: And if, we have a parish council who's interested in seeing where they could best spend money to help,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: homeowners with their retrofits and so forth. Do you ever get asked for the coverage of a complete parish at night, so you can see what… which houses are leaking and which are not? I mean, I know you've shown us photographs of that, but…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Will you get commissioned to do that for us?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, we were in talks with a client for Ventner last year,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: to do thermal mapping and RGB mapping of the entirety of the vendor. As a company, we didn't get it, but as an individual, I got to do some white label work on that for two days, because the client wasn't… who came down to do it, wasn't able to cover all of it.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So we can do a broad spectrum thermal map as well.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So we can compare that with an RGB map during the day, and then a thermal map at night.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Okay, thank you.

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Mike Bundock: Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Don't let us… our questions interrupt your flow if you've got more to show us.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I don't know how much more you want to see. I could talk about drones for ages.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: But how about, what we need to look for in terms of qualifications for companies doing things? Do they need to have the right compliance and so forth? What do they need?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Okay, so the drone rules have now changed, as of 2026. So, for anybody who wants to go out and fly a drone, obviously we need insurance first of all, and then depending on the size of the drone that we're using, so if we have a drone that's sub-249 grams, we can fly that with a flyer ID,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: But I would request that everyone gets a minimum of an A2CFC, which gives us a little bit of knowledge of the airspace and the frame rules and regulations around how we operate.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And also meteorological data as well.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: 25 kilos, anything for, like, an M400, M350 that have specific or set different payloads. We need to be looking at a GVC course, and then we provide that with a PDRA01, which is predefined risk assessment from the CA, or we can look at getting,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: operational authorization, so we can look at BV loss operations, look at other certain criterias of different operations, so that comes into the sale category.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Which they use the SORA methodology for now from EASA.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: There's a lot of numbers and letters there. I think I might ask you to just jot them down in a document and send it to me after the letter.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: some links, but for mostly an A2C of C for people wanting to fly, a… so… I…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: with an A2C of C.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: For drones, that's slightly larger. Don't have any of here, so it's a slightly larger drone.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: That one really needs to be kept 50 meters away from people.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And you can mitigate people, so with GVC, you can fly over people, and we can keep that, again, to the 5 meters, but we can mitigate things such as people in homes, the

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: that drone's not going to cause damage, really, to a home or a person. Again, to a,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Again.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: People traveling in cars, there's a nice safety risk there, because those safety risks there to sat in the car, but for people standing around loitering, things like that, that then becomes a risk issue, and also becomes crowds as well.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: We need to keep away from those.

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Amanda Davis: May I ask a question at this point, Graham?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Go ahead, Gander, just get on with it.

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Amanda Davis: Thank you, okay, Christmas time.

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Amanda Davis: We have our Christmas tree in the water at Borton on the Water, the Christmas tree light switch on with Father Christmas.

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Amanda Davis: We had over the 800 people, I say that just for those of you that know about the Terrorism Act, and what we will have to bear in mind going forward when that comes into being. If it's over 800 people in a public space that you're running as a council, then you've got additional responsibilities, so it was over that.

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Amanda Davis: And this drone was huge, and did have a camera attached to it, because I know that whether you've got a camera or not comes into play as well. And it was flying over the top of people, children, all of those crowds gathered.

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Amanda Davis: What powers do parish and town councils running such events have to ask that person to cease, desist, and go away?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Okay, so if they've taken off from council or parish land.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, they would.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Then… then, if you ask them not… they're not allowed to, then they're not allowed to.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So…

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Amanda Davis: They carry on? Is that a police matter?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yes, it will be a police matter.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: The fact that they're flying over with that size drone over people as well, again, will be a police matter. And it depends on the organization that was doing it, whether they have applied for and have got a operational authorization to do that. We do have some drone operators that will operate over festival sites and things.

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Amanda Davis: We have bylaws that say no flying overhead.

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Amanda Davis: Of anything.

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Amanda Davis: But it predates drones existing.

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Amanda Davis: So the police are kind of, well, we're not too sure. There'll probably have to be a test case as to whether it applies specifically to drones or not. However…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: It's in the too difficult category for our little parish category. So the first and the largest category there is that the drone is flying over a crowd of people. A crowd of people is determined on how big the volume of the crowd is, and how easily they are able to move away if something happens to a drone.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: generally, a drone does not have, a redundancy as such, so some drones, larger drones, will have, like, an opticopter rather than a quadcopter, will have more than four sets of propellers, so if one goes out, then there is one that will pick up the slack there, but

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: if one goes out on the quadcopter, the drone will fail and will fall. So I would class this one as… so this is a 900 gram drone with a battery in it. I would class this one if it falls and hits somebody.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: it can cause significant damage, especially if the propellers are spinning, there can be some severe lacerations to it. If it's a small drone, or sub-250,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: it's not going to cause too much in the way of damage, probably a few light grazes or cuts, but for larger drones, it is death.

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Amanda Davis: It's bigger than that. It's bigger than either of the two that you've shown.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So we would class that as deaf, but unless they have an operational authorisation, which they should have talked to the council for.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: or about in the first place, then they shouldn't be filming. And if you haven't given them permission to take off, or

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: land on council land. Again, then they're also breaking the law because they're trespassing.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: But the biggest issue there would be not the trespassing, would be flying over a crowd of people, and that would be what to take away from it as well.

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Amanda Davis: Thank you very much, that's really helpful, and also the fact this is recorded means I can take it to Council. But I also add in the Terrorism Act, this is otherwise known as Martin's Law.

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Amanda Davis: That comes into effect this year.

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Amanda Davis: And all parish and town councils are responsible within their risk assessments for any events, and outside, any event over 800 people comes into this. So it's definitely one where if you're a parish or town council person.

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Amanda Davis: To, look into and ask some questions if you're running any form of event, or even if you're giving permission for others on your land, or that somehow you might be seen as separately

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Amanda Davis: Part of the chain of accountability and responsibility.

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Amanda Davis: So, I saw it also as a potential terrorism issue, in the sense that you don't know what's attached to the drone when you're running a crowd of that size.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: No, no, you don't. And you don't know whether what data collection is used off of this as well. It could just be used for media purposes and things, but at an instance, then, the drones do have fantastic zoom lenses on them, and when we come to a crowd of people, we can operate 50 meters away from them.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So we can do that. Another thing you could do as well, or looking at when an event is coming up, that if you feel that you want to block drones, and you do have responsible drone pilots in the area who are thinking of flying, is to put a NOTAM in. So the NOTAM will create a no-fly corridor as such, and…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: If a pilot is responsible, a drone pilot is responsible, they know that they can't take off there, or they need to contact the person who has, applied for that NOTAM to ask for permission.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: But some people don't…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And there is no way on a… unfortunately, now with DJI, have taken away, the geofencing area.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Fair.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: They can fly pretty much wherever they want to, which is also bad as well.

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Sarah Barnett - Buckland Dinham, near Frome, Somerset: Excuse me, could you just say that word again? No… no tan? No fan?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: No time.

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Sarah Barnett - Buckland Dinham, near Frome, Somerset: How'd you spell it?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: That's true.

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Sarah Barnett - Buckland Dinham, near Frome, Somerset: I mean, what's the acronym?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: There you go, I've just put it in the chat.

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Sarah Barnett - Buckland Dinham, near Frome, Somerset: Thank you.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: What's it again?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Perhaps you could explain what it stands for, Ben?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Notice to airmen.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So it's side nets, so every pilot in the UK

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: We'll go on there and check that before takeoff and landing to make sure that their flights are going to be safe. A responsible drone pilot should do that as well, especially as performing as part of their risk assessment, but…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: again, some hobbyist drone pilots don't know, and that's where having an ATCFC will come across as providing more… more intelligence from.

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Amanda Davis: We actually asked for name and a, you know, for personal details, and we weren't, they weren't cooperative, let's say.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So again, then that's… that's bad on their case. So if they're doing it for a commercial aspect.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to do that.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I wouldn't want to do that. I have a card that I always hangs around my neck, and that always has my operator ID, my flyer ID, my…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: business ID, and I have a folder that comes on site with me. That always goes on my safety tub, and that has all my documents in it, so it has the risk assessment for it, method statement, copies of insurance, copies of any permissions that I need as well.

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Amanda Davis: That's what we understood we could expect from people. I was alongside Jennifer, who is known to the banter Sessions. Jennifer's a professional drone flyer, four times water, she's a catchment manager.

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Amanda Davis: And she uses drones and is trained, therefore, and she knew what to expect, and she's trained me in all of this, or made me more aware.

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Amanda Davis: So I had no hesitation when she said to me, we need to go and do something about this. So it was really helpful that you just clarified all of the back, sort of, information that I was just going on trust with Jennifer, but it also helps us.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Better next time, rather than approaching a drone pilot, as you guys in pairs.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: If you are an event, you do have a police presence there, is to take a police officer with you.

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Amanda Davis: Yeah, unfortunately, we've only got… we only had that night one police officer for the whole of the North Cotswolds, and they were already booked at another event, and this is Christmas tree light-on season.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Ben, you mentioned earlier being restricted from going closer than 5 meters to, people under certain conditions.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: I would have thought that 5 meters with a camera and a drone making a lot of noise was extremely irritating, but is there a noise issue with drones?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yes, definitely. So the larger drones have higher decibels, so you can operate… the smaller drones will generally operate around about 50 to 60 decibels.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: The mid-sized drones will operate around about 98, and then our large drones are somewhere in the region of 140 to 200.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So there is an issue with noise, and there is… it becomes anything from… the smaller ones are like a mosquito, the larger ones are…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Like a classic drone, and the big ones are…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Like a Spitfire taking off sometimes.

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Amanda Davis: I used to race carts, Ben, and when I raced karts, we were talking about 120 max.

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Amanda Davis: So you think of a racing cart, how loud that is. That's 120. And this is an exponential scale, isn't it, Decibels?

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Amanda Davis: So for every one you go up, it isn't a linear relationship. It's significantly noisier at the time.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: But then it also depends on altitude as well. So, if the drone is… is 5 meters, then it's… yeah. I wouldn't… I wouldn't dream of putting one of these guys 5 meters…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: above people's head, even in the public. Even when we're doing roof surveys in commercial areas, I would bring this drone in for more of the high street locations, and in within residential, I don't mind using the larger drone.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: If people are coming in, then it moves backwards across to either the rear garden or the center of the roof.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: How are you doing for the… your future look at the… your crystal ball, Ben? Are we going to be surrounded by drones delivering packages from Amazon and DPD and all the rest?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I don't believe we can do that.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Because the air spaces will get too… too congested.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Right, so big countries like Canada or Australia can do it, but not here in condensed little islands.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, one of the drones I have, which I've been picking up recently, is this guy here. So, this is a multispectral drone, and I've been working with a couple of farms on the island to be able to…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Use it to,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So I haven't done it for a while now.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: so I could provide them with a map, so when they go out in their tractor, a variable rate spraying map, and then they're not putting 100% of the product over the entire field. They can rate where it needs to go best.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: we've got to a point now where we've come to cost. The cost is too expensive. It's too expensive for me to go into the field to fly, compared to the data that I get from a satellite.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So this will provide us with anything from 3 to 5 GSD capture, and that's… the GSD is ground sampling distance, and the 3 and the 5 are measured in centimeters for each pixel, whereas a satellite from the sky provides an…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: with 33.3 metres, or 30 meters, depending on which service they use. For our farms on the island, it doesn't provide enough data, because the cropland is so small. The only way that this is really beneficial is for us to use a agris drone, or an agri-Drone.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: They've got big carbon fiber propellers, they're not toys, they're not…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yeah, so we can't use them over here, and we could generally…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: If you use an agri-Drone on a crop, you remove tram lines, you can do complete crop,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: care, and you generally get around about 12% of the value of that field return, more than you would have interacted over it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Boom.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: We can't use it over here, and it's too expensive to take over on a ferry and a trailer all the time.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: It is interesting that the state of the art now is such that the drone can pass the GPS coordinates straight to the tractor, and then the tractor knows where to go and how much to spray when he gets there.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yep, so we link our drones with…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So our drones will operate on, our commercial drones will operate with a base station, then an entry client, and the drone itself essentially acts as a rover, so every picture is geotagged.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: with its location. It helps more for when we're doing our modeling and things as well, for tying points.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: And is there a big difference between video and photographs? In terms of… I take it you can overlap photographs so you get a continuous survey, but they are photographs rather than video.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yeah, so video, you're going to get a lot of motion blur through, so you really want to be recording photographs, and you can slow the drone down, slow the shutdown, depending on conditions. With a video.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: it doesn't provide the same. I've done a couple of models with videos, and

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: There's too much blur in there, or enough in there for me not to use, or see as a valuable asset, or deliverable for a client.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Right.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And if you notice behind me, there's a flashing light. So this is one of our docks that we use. So, essentially, we now are starting to look into the world of automation. So we have a drone that lives in a dock. We've got a couple on site at the moment. We've got one here at our test site. We live over,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: offices are over at East Afton, we have a small solar farm here, so we have a drone that lives down there, and from there, we can do automated flights.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So we completely… we call it as a BV loss operation.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: So, do you have to maintain remote control of the drone all the time, or are you allowed to just leave it on its own, on autonomy?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: No, the CA prefer that we leave it on its own, on its predetermined autonomous flight, that we generally do around about 50 of those with us on site before we then hand over for it to be fully autonomous.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Fascinating.

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Mike Bundock: Benjamin, tell me, in Ukraine, do they…

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Mike Bundock: Is there… is it… is there a drone?

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Mike Bundock: that can sit up, at 500 feet, continuously, fed with data coming down with a fiber optic cable, and power going up through a cable. Can it sit up there indefinitely?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yes.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yeah, as long as it's got consistent firefight power, and the weather conditions are adequate for the size of the drone, you can see it out there indefinitely, yeah.

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Mike Bundock: Is that a common thing?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I don't know on that side of the Ukraine things. I know on the Ukraine side of the two different types of drones that are used. I've flown one of the disposable

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: FPV drones that they would use to carry a small, small

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: mortar or bobbin, I'm not sure what it is. We had some, some clients over, last year who came and collected some bits, but, that was quite interesting, very fast. And they bought the Bubba Yeager over as well, which is the larger drone, which can carry

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: about 6 mortars on, I believe, so 6 different payloads on it to deploy.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And they took…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: one of our drones away with them, so they prefer the Mavic 3 T2s out of there, because they can change the signal on there roughly every 5 milliseconds, so they don't know where the pilot is when they're trying to track people bunker down at night when they're deploying.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And we also talked about… we've done some work counter-UAS over here.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: for a company, with doing different drone operations, and different ways in which it can pick up different sized drones. We had, 11 drones up in the field at one time, flying in front of the sensor, all ranging on.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: different speeds, one of the drones was traveling about 100 miles an hour, the rest of them were all traveling around very different speeds, depending on the size, how close, and…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: We don't know, because of the client, we don't know any more information on that and how it was used, but they're trying to produce a sort of a small, compact camera, much like a PTZ camera form, rather than the large cameras at the moment. We've done a little bit of work with,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: We were pre-building a few drones for them that wouldn't mind taking a bit of a bash, because we were frying the milliwatt receiver in them, so they're potentially firing a high-band milliwatt ray at the drone to burn out the receiver.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: But from what we've… for our client that we had over last year, the best county UAS use for drive at the moment is a single barrel shotgun.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Wow. Yes.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yep.

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Mike Bundock: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Ben, what facilities do they have for anti-collision nowadays?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: To stop you running into another drone, or a building, or an overhead cable.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Most drones now have omnidirectional sensing. Obviously, the lower-priced drones don't have that, but as the more commercial aspect and the more drones, generally over a thousand pounds, will have that on.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: FPV drones generally don't have any, anti-collision or omnidirectional sensing. The omnidirectional sensing is… sorry, let's open it up… so it has these small cameras in up here.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Right?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And they have those also on the top as well.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: on the bottom. The bottom also has a small little…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: LiDAR unit as well, which it uses to track distance from the ground up to 25 meters. Beyond that, the drone has a built-in biomark sense… sensor.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And then with these drones, we can put on a payload, so we can have a small LiDAR sensor on the top, and that will also be used for anti-collision.

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David Newman: Yeah, even my little drone has got front and back sensors, but not the sides.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And does it have the software that will, having detected something, keep it away from that something? Yes.

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David Newman: Beeps and beeps and beeps.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Let's have a look.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Oh, fantastic.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So I'll just do another screen share with you.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yep.

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Mike Bundock: Benjamin, that… that LiDAR that you've got.

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Mike Bundock: On the drone. Can… is it possible to use that to get the height of a… of a building, and to get the… the area of the roof, the slope of the roof?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yep, and you can do that as well with 3D model, so I'm just gonna share…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: video now, so this is one that I've done for a company called Heliguy.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: and… We had a certain product that,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: They wanted to test, so we've done it with very different variant models.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So if you look on the screen here.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Right down in the center at the bottom.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: You can see that large red section. That's the omnidirectional sensors picking up the object in front.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Over on the right-hand side, we've got the actual Omnidirectional sensor camera feed showing us on display.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: The virtual asset or display is down here in the bottom on the left-hand side, and what we're seeing with all these green lines going around is the flight path in which we're determined to take flight… flight reform for a 3D model capture.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So as the drone moves around, every waypoint gets roughly around about 5 pictures as it flies around.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Whoa.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Anyone got any questions on that video at all, or…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: And then the client will use this for what sort of purposes?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So once we've recorded all the data, we'll bring that together, render it into a 3D model.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And then we can use that to take…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: accurate measurement details. Some clients will have a 3D model done of a property before they, purchase it. Sometimes they generally can't come over to the island to view it, so generally landlords that are looking to increase their portfolio will ask us to do an inspection, or take several different images, depending on what

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Which landlord and how much they want to pay for, really.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yup.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Very intriguing.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So let's just do a stop showing on that one. So for LiDAR,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So this is a LIDAR dataset from Black Gang Triang.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So at the moment, we're looking at the RGB side.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Just normal, regular camera side.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: I love that maze.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Amazing.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Listen carefully.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So if we go through and look at…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, we can look at the height.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So that's height from ground level.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Or sea level being the green.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And then its intensity increases up to the top where the trees are.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Right? Obviously the cliff.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Intensity, or… So the return rate on the,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: the laser point coming back from the drone, from what it fires out. So this is…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: the L3 sensor, so we were firing out 16 million laser points per second, anything with…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Green is good.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Blue… Not as good, and red is… is bad.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: This is looking at the return there in a greater detail there.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: It's a point.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: moment, trajectory…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Most of the time, we'll generally be using

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Using the height.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So this is the cafe here at Black Gang.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So let's say if we wanted to take a measurement.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: This point here… To this point here.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Did you show me that?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I don't normally use Terra for… for this…

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Mike Bundock: That's interesting. Wow.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: What does a 3D mesh show you?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: 3D mesh?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: He's gonna show us…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Mmm.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: model generated from the cameras. It's not as good as doing a pure 3D capture. This was done as an oblique dataset and not a oblique

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Or for mosaic dataset, not an oblique dataset.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yeah, but it does give you a view, though.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: It does give us a very good view.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yeah.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: But not as more of a detailed view.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Sounds like some assets we've got on tarot already.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: But if you're looking at some sort of disaster, and you can come in and people can immediately see how widespread it is, how severe it is, and that sort of thing, very, very useful.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yeah, so if Weverse allows us to, we did last year do…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I believe that was for Island Roads for…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: So is this down around the Military Road area?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: The military road I did for free for Becky Cameron, Councillor.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yep.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: That we did a bit further down from there.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: there was a… it was at Easter time, there was a rockfall there.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: This is something we do for…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Like, going generally every month during the winter, and then every quarter.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: during the summer, depending on can we get down there, timescale we can go down there. Obviously, 10 o'clock in the morning, we can't operate there at all. We prefer that as a no-go site.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I provide them with a 3D map consistently, all the time, of… This area here.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, predominantly?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: This is where they've been known to having most of the landslips in recent years.

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Mike Bundock: Amazing. Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: They can forecast when the houses are gonna start falling into the sea.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: We can measure how much is falling away, yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yeah.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And… let's have a look… So…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I don't have a dataset for them.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: One thing we can do as well, using one of our FPV drugs.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So if we look at an area that, say, is hazardous.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So part of Page for Package is they had a small amount of full

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Off of the cliff, and also they had

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: quite a bit of flooding coming in a few weeks ago, when we had the severe rain on Sunday.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yep.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So they wanted a few different aspects captured.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Because of the risk area.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: come in behind here. They didn't want anyone to come behind or walk in here, so we could use a smaller drone

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Such as this gentleman here.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: To be able to operate in there safely, and we're not too worried if it butts up against something, because we've got protection with the inductor propeller guards on there, and then we're able to…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Come down and have a look at the bottom here of the building. This is where we believe the water was coming in.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: So, no human transfitting there, just the machine.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Until you crash it. You have to go and get it.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Well, she… Hopefully, we don't want to go and get it, but…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: That's fantastic detail, it is fascinating.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So, so down, just down here is where the water was leaking in that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Right.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And we use this… can use the same drone as well for doing… Speaking of videos as well.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Are they good at staying where you tell them, if you can just tell it to sit there and wait until something happens?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: They are. They're very, very precise. I… I'm…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I can't say how… I love flying drones like this. It's,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I don't often get a chance to… to fly what we call… this is FPV, but also in challenging areas where it is a challenge to fly around obstacles and things.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yeah.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Most time, I'll be doing… Stuff that's, with them.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: social media for this, let's quickly… Change my screen.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: This one is whale chime.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Again, it's well-trans and accessible to humans. We can't really get down there without risk.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So this is a really good way to be able to view the condition of that.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And there's also… You're all set, ready?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Victorious… Same, it's just for… for me to entertain myself, really.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Are you meant to be sharing this, because we aren't seeing it yet.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yep, it wouldn't happen much. I do… every now and then, I'll go out and do a random flight and share.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Images from around the island.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: lose…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Along with this one, which is from our 360 drone.

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Ken Huggins north Dorset PC: We're not seeing anything at the moment, Benjamin.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Oh, is that one not on screen?

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Ken Huggins north Dorset PC: Now, when Graham says share, he meant that you meant sharing with us here now.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Oh, dear. Did you not share the last video at all?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Nope, nope, none of it.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: None of it. I'm pretty used to semi.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: That's my thing.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: screen, have I got you on?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Surely you make up for it in other areas.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Let's have a look.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Now I've lost the…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Am I not sharing my screen at all with you guys?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: No, no, you need to go to your blue Zoom screen and share.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: There we go.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Right, so did we see the stuff for Page to Packers?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: No, what we see at the moment is your Windows screen. There we go.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Switching back onto me.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: True…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: I'm just seeing windows at the moment.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yep, I'm just gonna quickly bring up…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Video, sorry, I deleted that one off.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Okay, now he has.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: final chart.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Did I put the video of page packers up, going behind the back there of the cliff in Venna?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So this is Well Trine. I think I said it before, but this part of Well Trine you really can't get to unless you put yourself at risk. Well Trine doesn't have an accessible footpath down to it anymore.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And there are people that do cross down the, slip bank.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: No.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: So, is this data being stored on the drone, or is it coming back to you for storage on land?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Life.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So we get a low feed that comes back to the controller, there's some people coming down.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: But it shouldn't be. So we get a low feed coming back, depending on different types of drones, between 720p and 1080p to either the headset or the controller, and then the drone itself's recording in 4K.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Great.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: That's quite fascinating, thank you very much.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Another use you can use for the thermal drones, which they have been using, is… so, this time of year where we're getting a lot of heavy rainfall, is for,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: sewage treatment outlets, so if they're outletting more than they should be, or outleting polluted water, that's a lot hotter than, the surface water. So they use a thermal drain then to capture that as well.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Is that the sewage company that's doing that, or the surface against sewage, and that sort of people?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So… this idea, there's generally… the sewage companies will, or there's… The sewage outlets will,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: be outletting more water than they should, because of the amount of rainfall that comes down through. So they could be outletting raw sewage, and the way you can see that raw sewage is because of that sort of hotter core temperature than the water that it goes into. Using a thermal drone, you can see that being outletted. Using something like a Mavic M4,

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: TD or a drone that's more waterproof and more wind resilient.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: You can see that in poorer weather conditions.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Southern Water, here we come.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Yeah, it seems.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Put those… put those wonderful big finds in on the water company, yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Well, they put out an email every now and again when they're prepared to admit that they're overflowing into the ocean, but I'm not sure… I'm sure people would like to keep tabs on how accurate they are with their drones.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I'm conscious of time, Ben. Are you alright for time? Maybe what else is, yeah, no, I'm absolutely fine.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Does anyone else have any questions for Ben, please?

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Mike Bundock: Ben, I was thinking of,

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Mike Bundock: A drone sitting up stationary for hours.

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Mike Bundock: Have they used them for… for disaster areas, where they can put a… A cell…

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Mike Bundock: Up for… for, mobile phone communication in a disaster area.

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Mike Bundock: Because it would just sit up there and relay.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I don't know about using that for relay, it may interfere with the drone signal itself. They do operate on the 5G and the 2.4GGHz bands, which is also the same as for Wi-Fi.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: There could be potential issues there, on signal degradation on…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Not 100% sure on that one.

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Mike Bundock: And do they… have… have they been able to use a laser for communication, like they've… they're doing with the satellites now?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I don't know on that.

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Mike Bundock: Okay.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Most rains that we operate will have a laser rangefinder on there for distance, but that's about it, so we can operate with ground crews, and tell them the distance away of certain things, but…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: That's about as far as we can get with the laser on there.

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Mike Bundock: I think that's probably coming, because they… they are now using laser for communication to the satellars. In fact, they… the laser communications can go from… from Saturn to Earth.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: That's very interesting.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: But I… the quality of what you've been showing us must be really super useful for, earthquakes or tornadoes or things where houses have collapsed, and you don't want people to go trampling over the house, because they may well make it worse. You can certainly send a drone in there, I'm very interested.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: So we've…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: this drone again, we've used that before with a company called iRAD, and we trained Hampshire Enhanced Police for hostile situations. So, one of their mock units, they had, someone in a hostile situation with

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Two people with armed weapons, and we used a drone to go into that room to be able to see what was going on.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Before they took it out.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Yep.

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David Newman: How long can you leave it up before your battery goes flat?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Depending on the branch.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: all depends on drones, so that one's roughly around about 15 minutes. Our… some of our smaller drones are… some of my FPV drones last for about 3 minutes, and our large… larger drones, anything from…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: 35 minutes with the Mavic 4.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: TD that lasts for about 50 minutes, and the M400 lasts for about 50 minutes.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Like, again, all depends on weather as well, and what the wind resistance is doing as well.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Well, Ben, I found that to be absolutely fascinating and very helpful. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: If new.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: else has got any questions, then maybe we should say thank you and call it a day. But it's been really fascinating, and thank you for your time.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: You're very welcome.

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Mike Bundock: Yeah, that's great. Thanks, man. Thank you very much.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Very good.

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Mike Bundock: here.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: And if you'd like to put your, email address in the chat, then people who want to can get in touch with you should they need to.

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Ken Huggins north Dorset PC: That's an interesting point you raise, Mike, about communications in a disaster area, because, mobile phone masks, some of them have got battery backup, some of them have got battery and generator, but we don't know exactly where they all are. In the event of you having, like, days or weeks, you know, once we lose the landlines now, which we will be doing, by next year.

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Ken Huggins north Dorset PC: they're going to be relying completely on digital communication, and if that goes down, if your local masks go down, that'd be a good way to get some signal going, wouldn't it? To stick a drone up there with a transmitter on top, or really on top.

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Ken Huggins north Dorset PC: Yeah. You want to float that idea, so there's a commercial opportunity there, mate?

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: Potentially.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: I think we have, that we bring on site with us, is our Tactical Communications Hub, which has a…

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: 5G router in it, dual SIM, and also Starlink in there as well, so we use that for wherever we go. Some sites, unfortunately, don't have any signal at all. Particularly in Wales, we're finding a few that don't, so we're using Starlink a lot more.

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Benjamin Ford - Isle of Wight: And the prices are starting to definitely coming down a lot more now as well.

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Mike Bundock: is…

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Ken Huggins north Dorset PC: Right, okay.

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Mike Bundock: Interesting.

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Ken Huggins north Dorset PC: Okay. Yeah, interesting, great.

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Ken Huggins north Dorset PC: Thanks for your time, everyone. Graham, thanks for organizing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: There we go. Thank you!

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Mike Bundock: Thank you very much indeed.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration - Bembridge: Too much. Take care, everybody.

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Mike Bundock: Take it out. Thank you, you too.

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