# Banter 68: 07May25 Libraries working to Net Zero, Anna McMahon {% embed url="" %} Anna's session on Libraries and Net Zero {% endembed %} ### Video Timeline(min:sec) 00:00 - 14:26 Anna's presentation 14:26 - 31:00 (end) Q & A *** ### Presentation: {% file src="" %} Anna's presentation {% endfile %} {% file src="" %} A Library devoted to Climate {% endfile %} #### Additional links that may be helpful: (thank you, Anna!) * [Discover ways to live sustainably at Cambridge Central Library’s Eco Fair | Cambridgeshire County Council](https://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/news/discover-ways-to-live-sustainably-at-cambridge-central-librarys-eco-fair) * [Imaginarium event at March Library to look at future | Cambs Times](https://www.cambstimes.co.uk/news/24915232.imaginarium-event-march-library-look-future/) * [Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=520927761031846\&set=a.121118074346152) (advert for free Carbon Literacy training hosted at Ely Library) * [Green Libraries Manifesto - CILIP: the library and information association](https://www.cilip.org.uk/page/GreenLibrariesManifesto) Anna is very pleased to be contacted by anyone if she can help out further: *** ### Meeting Summary: May 07, 2025 11:49 AM London ID: 834 5460 8536 Anna introduced herself and presented on adapting her presentation for Zoom, discussing the origin of the name "Ixworth" and the library's role in promoting environmental sustainability. The meeting covered various initiatives and partnerships of Cambridgeshire libraries, including their potential as cool spaces and the sharing of resources and information. The group concluded by planning to develop a storyboard to guide parish and town councils in addressing net zero goals at their next meeting. **Actions:** Anna to send the presentation slide deck to Graham. Anna to look for and share documents or links related to Cambridgeshire Libraries' green initiatives and events. Gary to share information about cool spaces initiatives if implemented in his area. David to prepare and lead a workshop next week on developing a storyboard for the Great Collaboration to guide parish and town councils in tackling net zero issues. Graham to upload Anna's presentation materials to the wiki page. Anna's Zoom Presentation Introduction Anna introduced herself and discussed her presentation. Graham mentioned that they were expecting twice as many attendees and gave them a few minutes to join. Andrew had to leave early but shared information about the community library in Mitcham. Sue provided some historical context about the origin of the name "Ixworth".
**Library's Circular Economy and Sustainability Efforts** Anna, a Library Development officer from Cambridgeshire libraries, discussed the library's role in promoting the circular economy and reducing environmental impact. She highlighted that libraries are leaders in the circular economy, with a core business of sharing resources like books, e-books, e-audiobooks, e-magazines, and e-newspapers. Anna also mentioned the library's efforts to reduce energy consumption by installing air source heat pumps, solar panels, and LED lighting in their buildings. Furthermore, she mentioned the library's mobile services, which make over 400 stops in 100 communities each month. Anna emphasized that these efforts are part of the library's commitment to sustainability and reducing carbon footprint.
**Cambridgeshire Libraries' Initiatives and Partnerships** Anna discussed the various initiatives and partnerships of the Cambridgeshire libraries, emphasizing their role as community hubs for events and activities. She highlighted the library's commitment to sustainability through the "Green Libraries" manifesto, which includes pledges to lead by example and inspire communities to take action on climate change. Anna also mentioned the library's involvement in local partnerships and its role in promoting the library as a warm space during winter months. Graham and Madeline asked questions about the library's funding and the book bike's range, respectively.
**Libraries as Cool Spaces** Anna, Garry, Graham, Cllr Stuart, Sue, and Madeline discussed the potential of libraries as cool spaces, especially during hot summers. Anna mentioned that libraries in different communities have varying capacities and that the idea of using libraries as office or study spaces is being considered. Sue raised a concern about the potential moisture from air conditioning affecting the condition of books, which Anna clarified was not a concern. Madeline suggested the idea of installing living walls in libraries to keep them cool, which Anna expressed interest in but doubted would happen soon. Graham mentioned a previous discussion about the benefits of green walls in reducing temperature.
**Net Zero Initiative Storyboard Development** In the meeting, Graham and Anna discussed the potential for sharing resources and information about their library's initiatives. Anna agreed to find and share relevant documents and a slide deck. Graham then handed over to David, who outlined the focus of the next meeting: developing a storyboard to guide parish and town councils in tackling the Net Zero issue. David emphasized the need to set targets, understand their implications, and break down CO2 outputs into different sectors. The goal is to create a practical and usable guide for achieving Net Zero requirements. *** ### Chat: 00:18:43 Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: Sound is breaking up
00:19:15 Andrew Maliphant: At Mitcheldean Community Library we are planning to put solar panels on the roof as well as improving the building's insulation. We have needed to get a structural survey of the roof before applying to the county council for permission, as they still own the library building (people borrow books using their regular county library card). The nearby GP surgery is interested in getting the benefit of any generated electricity we can't use ourselves, though under present circumstances we will need to find a friendly electricity supplier to act as the middle man as running a wire across a road is not practicable\ 00:21:26 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Offer from one of our viewers about a library dedicated to climate change: Hawkwood College - Jonathan Porritt's donation of over 3,000 books on climate: {% file src="" %} 00:47:35 Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: Thank you *** ### Markdown of Presentation (for AI search engine): ``` # 🌿 Cambridgeshire Green Libraries ## What’s so green about Cambridgeshire Libraries? - Libraries are leaders in the circular economy. - We make good use of resources. - Our books are enjoyed by **100,000 active library members**! --- ## ♻️ Library Book Lifespan - Average lifespan of a library book: - **40 loans** - **5 years for paperbacks** - **7 years for hardbacks** *(Source: Designed for Recycling Part 2)* --- ## 📚 Our Green Book Collections Include: - Greener materials for events - Books about: - Nature - Climate change and the environment - Greener living - Green books for children - **eBooks and eAudiobooks** --- ## 💡 Energy-Saving Library Upgrades Cambridgeshire County Council is upgrading libraries with: - Air Source Heat Pumps - Solar Panels - LED Lighting ### Example Projects: - **Cambridge Central Library**: - Air Source Heat Pumps on the roof - **Huntingdon Library**: - LED Lighting upgrade - Before/After comparison: - **400,447 kWh/year saved** across 21 libraries from LED lighting conversion --- ## 🚐 Mobile Libraries - 3 mobile libraries - Over **400 stops in around 100 villages** and communities **each month** - Saves journeys by bringing the library to you ### Meet Bessie! - The **UK’s first library book bike** - Visits events around **Cambridge and South Cambs** - ![Bessie with Michael Rosen](Image-placeholder) --- ## 🌱 Green Events and Activities We host many eco-focused activities: - Talks and information events - Live environmental performances - Book collections - Eco-crafts and hands-on learning Find events on: [www.library.live](http://www.library.live) and Facebook --- ## 🤝 Partnerships We work with many organisations to share green information. --- ## 💚 Share Energy, Save Energy Use your library to: - Work - Study - Read - Meet friends - Or just **“be”** --- ## 🌍 Our Commitment Libraries around the world pledge to: - Lead by example with environmental actions - Inform and inspire communities to take positive action --- ## Together with YOU… We can help create a **cleaner, greener world**. **Thank you for your support!** ``` *** ### Speech-to-Text (for AI Search engine) 100\ 00:16:51.520 --> 00:16:53.979\ Anna McMahon: Yeah, yeah. Alright, we're all set. 101\ 00:16:54.220 --> 00:16:57.670\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Yeah. Is that all? Good, indeed, absolutely. 102\ 00:16:57.670 --> 00:17:20.929\ Anna McMahon: Far away. Okay, so first, st I introduce myself. My name is Anna Mcmahon. I'm a Library Development officer with Cambridgeshire libraries, which means I'm not kind of on the front desk serving customers. I'm behind the scenes, characters. And my job is basically promoting the library service, creating partnerships, putting on events. And this kind of thing. 103\ 00:17:21.838 --> 00:17:28.120\ Anna McMahon: And I'm also from Cambridgeshire libraries the the green lead. So I try and 104\ 00:17:28.630 --> 00:17:37.689\ Anna McMahon: sort of keep us motivated with our green commitment, and I should say libraries are completely, politically impartial. So when I talk about Green, it's with a small key. 105\ 00:17:38.160 --> 00:18:00.980\ Anna McMahon: Library services are slightly different around the country. We have the same basic kind of offer. But you know there are differences between us. So what I say today, I'm talking about Cambridgeshire libraries. What happens in your own library service may be slightly different, but I hope, just in general, that the presentation encourages you to go and find out what your own library services are offering. 106\ 00:18:03.324 --> 00:18:04.080\ Anna McMahon: No. 107\ 00:18:11.260 --> 00:18:14.490\ Anna McMahon: so alright bye. 108\ 00:18:15.380 --> 00:18:20.200\ Anna McMahon: 1st slot, thank you. 109\ 00:18:23.810 --> 00:18:24.940\ Anna McMahon: As opposed to 110\ 00:18:25.330 --> 00:18:47.790\ Anna McMahon: about recycling. This is one of our Eco club, and offering them spaces so that they could share their message with a wider audience. My lovely library colleagues, who are out and about but attending an eco event in a local senior school. So this is one of the things we do is to try and work with communities to share green messages. 111\ 00:18:49.080 --> 00:18:57.549\ Anna McMahon: Libraries, of course, are leaders in the circular economy. We've always lent books, cared about resources and making the best use of them. 112\ 00:18:57.917 --> 00:19:01.399\ Anna McMahon: You know, there's a reason that library is used as a kind of 113\ 00:19:01.550 --> 00:19:06.499\ Anna McMahon: shorthand for any collection of items that shared between people. 114\ 00:19:07.096 --> 00:19:12.479\ Anna McMahon: So we've been doing it for a long time, and it's kind of our core business. 115\ 00:19:13.590 --> 00:19:20.069\ Anna McMahon: and we don't just share books. Now. We also share other items. 116\ 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:23.410\ Anna McMahon: Cover that a little bit later on. 117\ 00:19:28.834 --> 00:19:35.399\ Anna McMahon: But our books and services are enjoyed in Cambridgeshire by 100,000 1,000 active library members. 118\ 00:19:36.650 --> 00:19:39.709\ Anna McMahon: By active, we mean they're using the library 119\ 00:19:40.330 --> 00:19:54.980\ Anna McMahon: during the 12 month period that we measure, and this might be boring books, but also using some of our other services. We have computers, free Wi-fi in the library that people can come in and use, and we have events that people attend. 120\ 00:19:55.540 --> 00:19:59.259\ Anna McMahon: and more of that. As we go through this, these slides. 121\ 00:20:01.780 --> 00:20:07.110\ Anna McMahon: So obviously, we're making better use of books by sharing them, lending them 122\ 00:20:08.550 --> 00:20:14.999\ Anna McMahon: rather than that model of you. Buy a book at a bookshop, and then you put it on your bookshelf after you've read it. 123\ 00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:25.959\ Anna McMahon: our books go through lots of hands. So we think this is a good use of risk, and controversially, I counted that with, maybe you can. Maybe you could be borrowing a library book instead. 124\ 00:20:27.550 --> 00:20:34.899\ Anna McMahon: So amongst our collections, we have in Cambridgeshire developed some specific sort of environmental book collections. 125\ 00:20:36.590 --> 00:20:38.529\ Anna McMahon: So we have books about nature 126\ 00:20:42.690 --> 00:20:48.410\ Anna McMahon: books, about climate change and the environment. And what's happening. 127\ 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.600\ Anna McMahon: Lots and lots of green books for children land out very well 128\ 00:20:58.650 --> 00:21:03.549\ Anna McMahon: books about greener living. So, for example, different ways to eat and cook 129\ 00:21:04.850 --> 00:21:13.360\ Anna McMahon: and garden, and then other books on crafting. And you know other kind of green activities. 130\ 00:21:16.030 --> 00:21:19.260\ Anna McMahon: Many people don't still don't realize that we also loan 131\ 00:21:19.410 --> 00:21:27.699\ Anna McMahon: electronic books. So we have a huge selection of ebooks and e-audio books, also e-magazines and e-newspapers and e-comics. 132\ 00:21:27.820 --> 00:21:34.790\ Anna McMahon: So we're not restricted to just the physical books that we have on the shelves. We've also got this other vast collection 133\ 00:21:35.170 --> 00:21:39.239\ Anna McMahon: which you can access without even making the trip to the library. 134\ 00:21:40.340 --> 00:21:44.870\ Anna McMahon: And of course it's all all free, just like borrowing a physical book 135\ 00:21:47.520 --> 00:22:15.140\ Anna McMahon: to talk a little bit about the library estate. So in Cambridge County Council there's a net 0 goal, and as part of that they're upgrading all the buildings that they own we have 33 libraries altogether, and some of them are in rented property. So we have less control over that. But in all the buildings that owned by the County Council there's been a program for installing air source heat pumps, solar panels and led lighting. 136\ 00:22:15.950 --> 00:22:21.180\ Anna McMahon: And our energy team has given me little bit of information. 137\ 00:22:22.381 --> 00:22:27.999\ Anna McMahon: Oh, sorry. This is some some heat pumps installed on our central library, our flagship library 138\ 00:22:28.370 --> 00:22:29.750\ Anna McMahon: up on the roof. 139\ 00:22:31.010 --> 00:22:33.389\ Anna McMahon: But yeah, here's a slide that the 140\ 00:22:33.600 --> 00:22:38.219\ Anna McMahon: energy offices provided me with, which gives an example of 141\ 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:42.120\ Anna McMahon: the the energy saved. The carbon saved 142\ 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.340\ Anna McMahon: by swapping over to their source heat pump. 143\ 00:22:45.660 --> 00:22:49.739\ Anna McMahon: the equivalent to driving around the world 5 times. It's what we're saving each year. 144\ 00:22:54.160 --> 00:23:09.670\ Anna McMahon: And yeah, inside the library buildings are installing led lighting, which not only saves energy but also gives a better lighting within the building so often. There are, you know, multiple advantages to making these changes. 145\ 00:23:13.610 --> 00:23:25.259\ Anna McMahon: And yeah, here are some of our solar panels. I'm not going to read out all the numbers for you. But yeah, a quarter of our of the Individual Library's annual electricity. Consumption is a good saving 146\ 00:23:30.560 --> 00:23:31.570\ Anna McMahon: oops. Sorry. 147\ 00:23:31.990 --> 00:23:40.180\ Anna McMahon: and we can also save on road journeys by bringing the library to you. We've got 3 mobile libraries. 148\ 00:23:40.330 --> 00:23:45.050\ Anna McMahon: as it says, makes over make over 400 stops in 100 communities each month 149\ 00:23:45.330 --> 00:24:00.700\ Anna McMahon: at the moment. These are not electric vehicles, but we have a program for replacing them, and we will shortly be replacing our Fenland Mobile Library with an electric vehicle, and so we'll do a full rollout in due course. 150\ 00:24:03.899 --> 00:24:10.910\ Anna McMahon: I mentioned Bessie, the book bike earlier on. As far as we know. She's the Uk's 1st library book bike. I think we just picked Bristol 151\ 00:24:11.611 --> 00:24:17.788\ Anna McMahon: and she goes out on visits in Cambridge and South Cairns, 152\ 00:24:18.510 --> 00:24:25.027\ Anna McMahon: attending events, visiting schools and residential homes, and so so forth. 153\ 00:24:26.270 --> 00:24:31.641\ Anna McMahon: We can fill it with the bespoke books for whatever occasion, and we can sign people up to the library, 154\ 00:24:32.380 --> 00:24:39.990\ Anna McMahon: out and about, so. She's a good good ambassador for us, and she's an electric bike. 155\ 00:24:42.710 --> 00:24:49.000\ Anna McMahon: This was Bessie theatre event in Cambridge, and Michael Rosen 156\ 00:24:50.490 --> 00:24:53.739\ Anna McMahon: happened to be there and posed with us, which we're excited about. 157\ 00:24:56.510 --> 00:25:14.559\ Anna McMahon: and we just the book stock when I use the word just that's not to dismiss books. Libraries are books are our core business, but we also do an awful lot as well as the books, and increasingly, libraries are hubs for events and activities. 158\ 00:25:15.580 --> 00:25:20.299\ Anna McMahon: and we do lots and lots of green events and activities in libraries in Cambridgeshire 159\ 00:25:21.208 --> 00:25:28.480\ Anna McMahon: from crafting to talks, seminars full on eco fairs. 160\ 00:25:28.670 --> 00:25:32.289\ Anna McMahon: This was in green Libraries week, which was October last year. 161\ 00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:51.729\ Anna McMahon: so an example of talks. This was a beekeeper giving a talk in one of our smaller libraries, and we also got we work with the local recycling team. And this was an event. Talking about composting. 162\ 00:25:54.044 --> 00:25:55.886\ Anna McMahon: We have a 163\ 00:25:56.970 --> 00:26:15.960\ Anna McMahon: an Arts program with our libraries, which is funded by the Arts Council. It's called the library presents, and part of the programming always includes some green themed events. So here we've got an Indian dance event which is with an environmental theme and a puppet show about nature. 164\ 00:26:16.600 --> 00:26:19.620\ Anna McMahon: So arts is a great way of 165\ 00:26:20.450 --> 00:26:25.990\ Anna McMahon: sharing with communities environmental messages. It's just a softer way in. 166\ 00:26:30.140 --> 00:26:34.359\ Anna McMahon: And we do lots of ecographs, hands-on learning. 167\ 00:26:34.600 --> 00:26:38.480\ Anna McMahon: Here we are turning a book which has been withdrawn from stock. 168\ 00:26:39.457 --> 00:26:46.729\ Anna McMahon: Turning into a hedgehog and some racing cars made with, I think, old Cds and cardboard tubes. 169\ 00:26:52.670 --> 00:27:07.500\ Anna McMahon: and we've done some quite big Eco. Fairs at libraries, one at Central Library, one at St. Neil's, 1 at Ely Library, and we're sort of rolling that out where we work with partner groups who come in and present for us, and I will talk about more about partnerships as well in a moment. 170\ 00:27:12.260 --> 00:27:18.569\ Anna McMahon: Now, just a little plug for library dot live, which is where Cambridgeshire libraries posts all its events. 171\ 00:27:19.060 --> 00:27:24.759\ Anna McMahon: And we also share on Facebook. And I think most library services will do that so that you can find out what's going on. 172\ 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:34.750\ Anna McMahon: We work a lot with partners to share green information. So on. The left action on energy is the 173\ 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:43.189\ Anna McMahon: Cambridge County Council. Kind of program for enabling people to make their homes more efficient. 174\ 00:27:43.310 --> 00:27:48.660\ Anna McMahon: And on the right we've got someone from the Wildlife trust 175\ 00:27:49.385 --> 00:27:55.299\ Anna McMahon: and we often invite partners in to be to be part of larger events, or to give talks, etc. 176\ 00:27:58.890 --> 00:28:11.490\ Anna McMahon: Here are just a few of the partners that we work with in Cambridge libraries. So it's everything from, you know your local parish council and community groups and schools to District Council. 177\ 00:28:11.780 --> 00:28:13.420\ Anna McMahon: County Council. 178\ 00:28:13.620 --> 00:28:16.600\ Anna McMahon: We work with the university. We work in museums. 179\ 00:28:17.495 --> 00:28:23.890\ Anna McMahon: We work with national organizations. The British Library, Bfi. 180\ 00:28:24.230 --> 00:28:46.450\ Anna McMahon: We've even done an international project with New York Public Library. So you know, our reach is far and wide, and it's always worth if you're trying to get in touch with groups that you want to work with. It's worth asking in your library. The person on the front desk might not have the contact, but there might well be someone within the library service who has got a connection because we are always always networking 181\ 00:28:47.280 --> 00:28:50.540\ Anna McMahon: and trying to bring people together. That's part of what we do. 182\ 00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:56.570\ Anna McMahon: So yeah, ask in your library. If they've got connections with a group that you're interested in getting in touch with. 183\ 00:29:00.090 --> 00:29:19.070\ Anna McMahon: you can actually save energy yourself by coming and using the library as a physical space to be in. You could work, study, read, meet up with friends, or you can just come and hang out. It's 1 of the few spaces in the modern world where there's really no expectation on you. You can just come and use our space for free 184\ 00:29:19.830 --> 00:29:23.529\ Anna McMahon: we do also have rooms that you know. If you 185\ 00:29:24.450 --> 00:29:34.819\ Anna McMahon: working with a group and wanting to put on a talk on an event for for your group, then we can rent out rooms in many of our libraries at very low cost to community groups. 186\ 00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:45.260\ Anna McMahon: Cambridge libraries has signed the green Libraries manifesto. This was a national initiative by 187\ 00:29:45.410 --> 00:29:49.800\ Anna McMahon: Silip, which is one of the library organizations in Britain. 188\ 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:53.910\ Anna McMahon: And it's we'll go on to the next slide. 189\ 00:29:54.720 --> 00:30:11.329\ Anna McMahon: There are. There are several pledges in it. But basically it's about pledging to lead by example through our own actions in the green space and to inform and inspire people in communities to take positive action on climate change and nature restoration. 190\ 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:27.989\ Anna McMahon: And it's it's spread further than the Uk. There are quite a lot of international libraries who are also signed up for this. And this is not just public libraries. It's also school and university libraries, research libraries, medical libraries. 191\ 00:30:30.694 --> 00:30:33.615\ Anna McMahon: And ended with an exhortation 192\ 00:30:34.330 --> 00:30:49.100\ Anna McMahon: with our library members, we can help make a cleaner, greener world. So thank you for supporting your library, and you know, don't be afraid to ask your library how we can support you. We're very, very interested in working with our communities. 193\ 00:30:50.190 --> 00:30:52.979\ Anna McMahon: Alright. So that is my presentation. 194\ 00:30:56.950 --> 00:30:58.979\ Anna McMahon: and I will try and stop sharing. 195\ 00:30:59.610 --> 00:31:00.620\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Yes. 196\ 00:31:02.740 --> 00:31:03.890\ Anna McMahon: Okay. 197\ 00:31:05.380 --> 00:31:09.300\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Anna. Thank you so very much. That was 198\ 00:31:09.540 --> 00:31:30.200\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: actually very surprising, because I come from a part of the country that doesn't have a publicly funded library. So my 1st question to you is going to be, where do we get the money from? To host all these events? Because I think they look like they're doing a wonderful job. But there's there's no cash around to support people like you putting all these things together. 199\ 00:31:31.143 --> 00:31:36.649\ Anna McMahon: Well, this is why we work so much with partners. You know, we've got the spaces. 200\ 00:31:37.385 --> 00:31:43.400\ Anna McMahon: So if partners want to come in and give a talk. Then we can, you know. 201\ 00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:48.700\ Anna McMahon: get the audience for them. So that that's kind of how it works. 202\ 00:31:48.950 --> 00:31:51.059\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Will companies sponsor you? 203\ 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:55.604\ Anna McMahon: Because we're sponsored by a local authority. 204\ 00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:56.880\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: The zoom. 205\ 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:20.390\ Anna McMahon: Don't generally need that. If we're wanting to put on a special project that we might go after funding pots, you know, once the libraries are allowed to apply to. So, for example, last year we had money from something called the Europe Challenge, which enabled us to work with a refugee community that was near to one of our libraries, and that was, we worked 206\ 00:32:20.750 --> 00:32:31.550\ Anna McMahon: with the refugees and also with the the local settle community to bring people together for for food and arts events using the library space. So. 207\ 00:32:32.100 --> 00:32:43.599\ Anna McMahon: But we want to do a big, bigger project. Then we have to, you know, go and find some source of funding usually. But we're always interested in donations. So if people want to support libraries, they're always. 208\ 00:32:44.040 --> 00:32:50.140\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: I live in a village where the library is only open because volunteers refuse to let it shut. But I 209\ 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:52.550\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: it's true of a lot around the country. 210\ 00:32:53.430 --> 00:33:00.059\ Anna McMahon: Yeah, no, I'm in in Cambridgeshire. We have our 33 kind of full libraries which are run by 211\ 00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:03.449\ Anna McMahon: Cambridgeshire libraries, and then we've also got 212\ 00:33:03.620 --> 00:33:17.570\ Anna McMahon: 12 community led libraries which are run by volunteers, and they're like a cousin library so they can get books from us. But we don't organize what they do, and and how they how they run themselves. 213\ 00:33:17.750 --> 00:33:22.099\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Yes, the Mobile Library is obviously a way of getting around to see more people. 214\ 00:33:22.100 --> 00:33:22.770\ Anna McMahon: Nothing. 215\ 00:33:22.770 --> 00:33:23.850\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Wonderful stuff. 216\ 00:33:24.190 --> 00:33:29.240\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Let me just check to see if anyone else has any questions. Yes, here we go with Madeline in Buckman. 217\ 00:33:31.170 --> 00:33:35.079\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: Hi, Anna! Yes, Buckton's not too far from you. 218\ 00:33:35.080 --> 00:33:36.040\ Anna McMahon: Option. Yeah. 219\ 00:33:37.773 --> 00:33:49.049\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: How far does Bessie the book bike go? And how do I mean, how do you get her from place to place? I'm wondering if people are peddling, and you're charging. 220\ 00:33:49.050 --> 00:33:54.819\ Anna McMahon: This is pedal power. So unfortunately, I don't think she's gonna make it to Buckton. That's about. 221\ 00:33:54.820 --> 00:33:55.600\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: That's a shame! 222\ 00:33:55.969 --> 00:34:11.870\ Anna McMahon: In Cambridge, so we can get out to. She's been as far as Linton for people who know Cambridgeshire but I think Buckton might be a reach too far. Because we are reliant on staff to to peddle her around. 223\ 00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:18.980\ Anna McMahon: Oh, lots of hands up now. 224\ 00:34:19.290 --> 00:34:19.909\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Right. 225\ 00:34:20.868 --> 00:34:23.730\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Gary, if you'd like to go in next, please. 226\ 00:34:25.510 --> 00:34:27.379\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Good afternoon to you. 227\ 00:34:27.389 --> 00:34:28.519\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Good afternoon, Graham. 228\ 00:34:29.092 --> 00:34:36.899\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Anna. I was wondering, you know, a lot of libraries kind of promote their spaces as kind of like warm spaces in the winter. 229\ 00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:37.300\ Anna McMahon: Okay. 230\ 00:34:37.300 --> 00:34:44.500\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: People where they can go during, you know, cold spells if they're struggling with heating and stuff. Is that something you do in Cambridgeshire? 231\ 00:34:44.500 --> 00:35:02.740\ Anna McMahon: Yes, yeah, yeah. All our libraries are available as warm spaces. I mean, obviously, they're they're warm. They're available all the time. But yeah, especially during the winter months. The libraries that have kitchens also provide refreshments. So yeah, we definitely do that. 232\ 00:35:02.740 --> 00:35:05.320\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: And you actively promote it, do you. 233\ 00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:05.900\ Anna McMahon: Yeah. 234\ 00:35:06.580 --> 00:35:14.410\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Because this initiative I'm kind of looking at as well, is using libraries as a kind of cool space as well for the summers, because. 235\ 00:35:14.410 --> 00:35:15.090\ Anna McMahon: Smooth. 236\ 00:35:15.090 --> 00:35:24.129\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Especially this this year. It looks like it's going to be a bit of a scorcher if it carries on the way it's going, and just a place for people to go to cool down. 237\ 00:35:24.430 --> 00:35:26.080\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yes, sir, yeah. Okay. 238\ 00:35:26.080 --> 00:35:36.070\ Anna McMahon: That's definitely on our, on our radar as well, and providing, you know, cold water stations and that kind of thing. It depends a little bit from library to library. 239\ 00:35:36.390 --> 00:35:39.590\ Anna McMahon: What our facilities are, you know. Some 240\ 00:35:39.730 --> 00:35:44.649\ Anna McMahon: are cool, and some are really not very cool in the in the summer, so 241\ 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:52.069\ Anna McMahon: it would have to be relevant promotion. But yeah, libraries and school spaces. Yeah, clearly, a very good idea. 242\ 00:35:52.070 --> 00:35:58.129\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, if you could do any. If you do anything a lot like that, if you could like, share that with us, that'd be really useful, because it. 243\ 00:35:58.130 --> 00:35:58.480\ Anna McMahon: Thank God! 244\ 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.450\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Of something we could probably use to help 245\ 00:36:01.898 --> 00:36:04.779\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: develop what we're looking to do as well. Something similar. 246\ 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:21.519\ Anna McMahon: yeah, no. It'd be interesting to see how that develops because, warm spaces became a big thing with the cost of living crisis and energy crisis, etc. But yeah, I can see when we do get really hot summers, then libraries are an obvious public space for people to come. 247\ 00:36:23.270 --> 00:36:24.399\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Do it, please. 248\ 00:36:25.791 --> 00:36:32.510\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Yeah, yeah, it. It was actually along Gary's question about cooling. So 249\ 00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:37.620\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: noticed that all your heat pumps are air to water. 250\ 00:36:37.930 --> 00:36:41.340\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I presume feeding the existing radiators. 251\ 00:36:42.310 --> 00:36:46.810\ Anna McMahon: Yes, I'm not that I'm on tricky ground here because I don't. 252\ 00:36:47.080 --> 00:36:49.370\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: No, okay, no. I was just 253\ 00:36:49.490 --> 00:36:54.129\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: just wondering whether anyone had thought of adding air conditioning 254\ 00:36:55.170 --> 00:37:02.635\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: to have a a proper cool space. I think cool spaces are going to become far more important. 255\ 00:37:03.050 --> 00:37:03.580\ Anna McMahon: Cool. 256\ 00:37:03.580 --> 00:37:15.440\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: In in years to come. The the other thing I was Gonna ask is, how did you get Cambridgeshire County Council to retrofit all your libraries like that? 257\ 00:37:16.399 --> 00:37:19.079\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: It's TV air source heat pumps. 258\ 00:37:19.080 --> 00:37:24.110\ Anna McMahon: It was driven by them. They they signed the Climate emergency 259\ 00:37:24.370 --> 00:37:33.240\ Anna McMahon: several years ago, and then for the last 2 years it's been their top priority to kind of start meeting them in net 0 targets. 260\ 00:37:33.370 --> 00:37:40.360\ Anna McMahon: So retrofitting all County Council buildings was a big priority for them, so. 261\ 00:37:40.610 --> 00:37:44.430\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Excellent. You couldn't tell Essex to do the same, could you? 262\ 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:50.421\ Anna McMahon: Oh! I wish I had that power! 263\ 00:37:50.910 --> 00:37:51.656\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Thank you. 264\ 00:37:53.050 --> 00:38:00.799\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: I have another thought for you, Anna, please. I noticed the idea of having people come in and just use your space as. 265\ 00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:08.879\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: or a study to work or so forth. How do you do for capacity? There? Do you get filled up, or are they people still not used to the idea. 266\ 00:38:09.461 --> 00:38:37.990\ Anna McMahon: It varies very much from library to library, community to community. You know what the local need is. Some of our libraries are very small, and we might only have one or 2 computers that people can come in and use. Obviously, you can bring your own device in. But there might not be a whole lot of desk space, plus depending on what kind of work you do. You know, if you're going to need to be chatting to clients all day. Then you probably don't want to be doing that in a library. But Central Library 267\ 00:38:38.520 --> 00:38:49.730\ Anna McMahon: fills up massively, especially with students during revision time. But also people. Yeah, come in and use our desks and whatever for working. 268\ 00:38:50.950 --> 00:38:53.581\ Anna McMahon: So yeah, the venue by venue. 269\ 00:38:55.160 --> 00:39:02.660\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: I must say it's a novel thought that for some strange reason hadn't ever occurred to me. I'm often looking for somewhere to go and find quiet. 270\ 00:39:03.120 --> 00:39:08.549\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Work. The library never actually leaps to mind. So you've done one convert. Thank you very much. 271\ 00:39:10.430 --> 00:39:16.110\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Go to to Sue in Xworth, and then we'll go to Madeleine, who's got her hand up as well. Can Sue, please. 272\ 00:39:16.110 --> 00:39:32.039\ Sue Spiller - Ixworth, Suffolk: Could I just make a comment about the air conditioning? My understanding is that it's taking in the warm air, and it's putting out cold air, but in doing so it's putting out moisture, and I do wonder whether, in fact, the moisture could be detrimental to the condition of books. 273\ 00:39:33.790 --> 00:39:35.450\ Sue Spiller - Ixworth, Suffolk: Has that been considered. 274\ 00:39:35.810 --> 00:39:37.509\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Think it's the other way around. I think they 275\ 00:39:37.990 --> 00:39:40.820\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: cool air is drier than it would otherwise be. 276\ 00:39:41.270 --> 00:39:42.890\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: I don't think it's more waste. 277\ 00:39:43.240 --> 00:39:44.500\ Sue Spiller - Ixworth, Suffolk: I don't think it's more moist. 278\ 00:39:44.500 --> 00:39:44.940\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: No. 279\ 00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:56.119\ Anna McMahon: No, I mean, we. We certainly have air conditioning in our local studies collection, where, you know there are older rare documents that have to be kept in good condition, so we certainly wouldn't be 280\ 00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:58.960\ Anna McMahon: pumping moisture in. 281\ 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:04.457\ Anna McMahon: So, whatever the system is. And, as I say, I'm not a technical person, so I can't really comment. But 282\ 00:40:04.820 --> 00:40:08.449\ Anna McMahon: no, that that would always be a consideration where. 283\ 00:40:08.450 --> 00:40:08.890\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: Keep. 284\ 00:40:08.890 --> 00:40:09.500\ Anna McMahon: Books. 285\ 00:40:10.140 --> 00:40:13.469\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I think air conditioning was originally 286\ 00:40:13.850 --> 00:40:24.340\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: invented or developed in America specifically to reduce the humidity in a specific factory. I can't remember what the factory was. 287\ 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:26.250\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Right. 288\ 00:40:29.330 --> 00:40:30.040\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: moving on. 289\ 00:40:30.040 --> 00:40:30.470\ Anna McMahon: Somebody. 290\ 00:40:30.470 --> 00:40:31.110\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Then please. 291\ 00:40:31.670 --> 00:40:32.240\ Anna McMahon: Nope. 292\ 00:40:33.670 --> 00:40:39.897\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: Just again on the the idea of keeping places cool. 293\ 00:40:41.130 --> 00:40:45.599\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: In Buckton, the village hall, which is where the library is. 294\ 00:40:45.600 --> 00:40:45.930\ Anna McMahon: Just. 295\ 00:40:46.822 --> 00:41:00.900\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: Got a grant to install living walls. I just wondered whether there's anything, whether there's anything that Cambridgeshire County Council, or anybody, or whether the library services have 296\ 00:41:01.230 --> 00:41:09.400\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: shown an interest in developing cool walls or living walls, or something. It'd be great for the Central Library in Cambridge to 297\ 00:41:10.870 --> 00:41:12.190\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: like like that. 298\ 00:41:12.630 --> 00:41:18.287\ Anna McMahon: I think it's 1 of those things that for for many staff that's kind of on the wish list. But 299\ 00:41:18.930 --> 00:41:24.319\ Anna McMahon: for all sorts of reasons. I doubt that it will happen very soon, you know. I would 300\ 00:41:24.530 --> 00:41:32.976\ Anna McMahon: of it, if we were building a new library, say, to have it with green walls and green roof and things, but 301\ 00:41:33.570 --> 00:41:41.226\ Anna McMahon: in terms of retrofitting. I suspect we won't be going down that route, but you know I'm not the one that makes the decisions about these things. 302\ 00:41:42.950 --> 00:41:45.749\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: No, no, I didn't know whether there was. 303\ 00:41:45.750 --> 00:41:54.290\ Anna McMahon: For sort of maintenance reasons. I think possibly they would shy away from it. But I don't know. I'm very interested to know what happens in Buckton, I shall follow that one. Now. 304\ 00:41:54.710 --> 00:41:57.469\ Madeline Fraser Buckden PC: Yeah, yeah, okay, thank you. 305\ 00:41:57.620 --> 00:42:05.540\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Gary, wasn't it last week that you had a little video that you were showing us in caution where the local school has put up live walls. 306\ 00:42:08.850 --> 00:42:11.430\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: The week before. Sorry. 307\ 00:42:12.160 --> 00:42:16.019\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, I don't think it was on the video that they had a green. They had a. 308\ 00:42:16.850 --> 00:42:21.849\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: I think it's just the act of putting plants all the way up the outside of the wall. Yeah, this will be. 309\ 00:42:21.850 --> 00:42:22.790\ Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Before Graham. 310\ 00:42:22.790 --> 00:42:28.650\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: I beg your pardon, anyway, Anna, they were saying that they were 5 degrees cooler where the walls. 311\ 00:42:28.650 --> 00:42:29.000\ Anna McMahon: Row. 312\ 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:30.939\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Covered in vegetation. 313\ 00:42:31.700 --> 00:42:32.349\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: I'm sorry. 314\ 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.330\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Substantial difference. 315\ 00:42:34.590 --> 00:42:37.689\ Anna McMahon: Yeah, definitely, something to to look at. 316\ 00:42:38.307 --> 00:42:43.862\ Anna McMahon: I mean, we're smaller measure of taking sort of things like installing blinds. 317\ 00:42:44.590 --> 00:42:52.860\ Anna McMahon: inside libraries to just keep the space a little bit cooler. Those sorts of things we can easily do. So we've been actioning some of that. 318\ 00:42:55.370 --> 00:42:57.380\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Fascinating. 319\ 00:42:57.660 --> 00:43:21.569\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: You've shown the light on what they could be doing and what we should be persuading our local people to do. I think, Anna, do you have any sorts of links to what your library has done those days where you're showing sort of library, green week, and and so forth. Do you have any documents or lists of what you planned or did to? We can just share with other people. 320\ 00:43:21.570 --> 00:43:22.170\ Anna McMahon: Fuel. 321\ 00:43:23.730 --> 00:43:25.779\ Anna McMahon: I'll have to root around a little bit. 322\ 00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:28.419\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: This very second. 323\ 00:43:28.420 --> 00:43:29.610\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Yep, when we. 324\ 00:43:29.610 --> 00:43:29.940\ Anna McMahon: Yes. 325\ 00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:34.640\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Page up on the wiki. It would be nice to have some stuff that we could give leads to people. 326\ 00:43:34.910 --> 00:43:38.719\ Anna McMahon: Yeah, I'll I'll see what I can find. That would, you know, be useful. 327\ 00:43:39.640 --> 00:43:43.479\ Anna McMahon: I can also share this slide deck, if that's that's a useful thing. 328\ 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.548\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Well, if you, if you send that to me, that'd be very useful. Yes, please, 329\ 00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:53.799\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: and let me just check if anybody else has any other questions for you or any comments to make. 330\ 00:43:56.290 --> 00:44:04.589\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: In that case I'm going to put the onus on David now to ask if you can spend 15 seconds telling us what we're going to be doing next week. 331\ 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.430\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: If that's not too much of out of the blue question 332\ 00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:12.919\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: we've lost. No, they would use. 333\ 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:17.730\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I'm I'm here. But apologies. So that's 334\ 00:44:18.410 --> 00:44:20.020\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: can you? Can you hear me? Okay. 335\ 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:21.759\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Yes, yep, you're fine. 336\ 00:44:23.377 --> 00:44:32.279\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: What we'll be doing next week is looking at developing a 337\ 00:44:32.640 --> 00:44:45.270\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: a storyboard to help the great collaboration with sort of guiding parish and town councils to 338\ 00:44:45.990 --> 00:44:49.369\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: call the net 0 issue. 339\ 00:44:51.790 --> 00:45:00.340\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: basically, we just give you an overview. We need to to target set. So we need to find out where we're gonna get the information from. In order to set the target. 340\ 00:45:00.520 --> 00:45:03.510\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: we need to understand what those targets mean. 341\ 00:45:04.193 --> 00:45:09.990\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And then break those the the overall Co. 2 output into different 342\ 00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:16.240\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: sectors or areas. So housing, transport, industrial, that type of thing. 343\ 00:45:16.780 --> 00:45:21.520\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and then work out how we, as parish town councils 344\ 00:45:21.650 --> 00:45:30.190\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: can then start to put in place plans to reduce Co. 2 in each of those specific sectors. 345\ 00:45:31.435 --> 00:45:36.669\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And this is very much clay on the potter's wheel. 346\ 00:45:37.030 --> 00:45:45.240\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: where we are going to shape that hopefully as a group shape that play into something that is useful and usable. 347\ 00:45:47.390 --> 00:45:48.690\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And so 348\ 00:45:49.326 --> 00:45:57.383\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: as I begin to start to create the storyboard which I have been doing it, just opens up more and more 349\ 00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:11.429\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: issues and areas that need to be looked at in detail and understood. And so it's it's a workshop to help us understand how best to use the great collaboration website 350\ 00:46:11.570 --> 00:46:21.470\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: to really help provide really practical, simple, sensible information advice 351\ 00:46:21.830 --> 00:46:32.449\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: with regards to achieving the sort of net 0 requirements that we're all trying to achieve. A lot of us have lots of aspirations, but no idea how to achieve it. 352\ 00:46:33.540 --> 00:46:39.589\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: That's going to be fantastic. It's a marvelous segue to Gary's presentation last week. On 353\ 00:46:39.740 --> 00:47:01.900\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: the way that sort of caution approached their issues, and then came up with exactly what you're suggesting that they listed what they're going to goals they're going to achieve. They listed how they would go about it, and then they were very careful about measuring the output, the outcome. So I think it'll be a great segue to that, David, looking forward to it. Thank you. Yes. 354\ 00:47:01.900 --> 00:47:07.249\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I'm sorry I missed that last week, but that would have been absolutely a superb presentation. 355\ 00:47:07.726 --> 00:47:15.360\ Cllr David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And hopefully he can join, and really add to it, because more hands to the the pump, as they say. 356\ 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:21.140\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: Yeah. Well, I think it would be a wonderful piece of timing, Gary, if you are able to make it next week. 357\ 00:47:21.260 --> 00:47:32.329\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: and for everybody else. I hope that you've enjoyed today, and that you will, and joining us next week to push David to ever greater talents. Thank you very much. All 358\ 00:47:32.330 --> 00:47:33.290\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: very much. 359\ 00:47:33.290 --> 00:47:34.130\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Joanna. 360\ 00:47:34.130 --> 00:47:35.530\ Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration overseas branch: She's a room, everybody. Bye, bye. 361\ 00:47:35.530 --> 00:47:36.899\ Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Thanks, bye, bye.