Banter 27: Creating Biodiverse Woodlands (& ESG), 10Jul24, Michael Cunningham
Michael explains "Why Nine Trees?", and then covers all their programmes to ensure that trees planted under their care get every chance to grow to full size and maximum CO2 engorgement
Video Timeline (min:sec):
00.00 - 09:00 Introduction of attendees to each other
09:00 22:05 Presentation by Michael Cunningham
22:05 - 58:58 (end) Q&A
Presentation:
Chat text:
00:24:33 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just dropped in to check that everyone has made it, may have to drop out at any moment due to local conditions........
00:40:17 John Fagan: Great concept and talk. Gotta dash.
00:41:17 John Payne: I am starting a Natural colonisation project on a field next to rare temperate rainforest in the Forest of Dean. I gave up on Agroforestry grants, too complicated. What are your views on NC and community projects to look after the planting?
00:50:45 Warwick Webster: Our Parish Council is looking to work to connect damaged ancient woodlands on the eastern side of HS2 to hopefully blend in with their Green Corridor. Would this be an area you could help with?
00:59:36 Mary Moore: Sorry I have to leave for another meeting. Thank you very much Michael. You are doing great work.
01:10:31 John Payne: Thanks so much, Severn Treescape is interested in wildlife corridors. The real problem of course is in providing ongoing maintenance for established woodland and existing grant led Woodland creation schemes.
01:12:10 Janet Cobb: Thank you for the talk - have to go now
01:13:31 Huw Jennings: Have to go, great chat, thank you
01:13:54 Jacky Lawrence, Napton PC Climate and Environment Working Party: thank you
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tristram cary: Morning Andrew.
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Andrew Maliphant: You're in great.
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tristram cary: Gosh! Am I the first.st
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Andrew Maliphant: Oh, no! Janet is coming. Here comes Janet. I'm just trying to get trying to get our speaker in, because
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Andrew Maliphant: The.
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tristram cary: Day.
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Andrew Maliphant: The joining up isn't working very well at the moment.
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Andrew Maliphant: Okay, I
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Andrew Maliphant: yeah. When Graham comes back he'll need to check the
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Andrew Maliphant: The regular login.
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Michael Cunningham: Hi Andrew.
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Andrew Maliphant: I up
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Andrew Maliphant: we made it great. I was just about to send you another way in. Yeah, the system is not always being the
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Andrew Maliphant: so Graham, who manages the whole deal is a is a float on the bare Biscay at the moment. So
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Andrew Maliphant: so I think progress with one or 2 things. But anyway, your ear, this is the main thing.
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Andrew Maliphant: Great. Do you wanna just check that? You can share your screen, Michael.
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Michael Cunningham: Yep.
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Michael Cunningham: just see.
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Michael Cunningham: Yep, I appear to be able to.
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Andrew Maliphant: Fantastic. Good. Yeah.
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Andrew Maliphant: I'll check, which obviously you could always set it to be, and I could be your gopher. But if you can do it. That's fine, so we'll get to wait for people to join in, and we are coming in. And
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Andrew Maliphant: Hi, Janet! Hi, Jenny!
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Janet Cobb: No.
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Andrew Maliphant: When it comes to it, so we'll
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Andrew Maliphant: give people a couple more minutes. It's just 1 min to 12. Michael.
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Michael Cunningham: Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, of course.
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Stuart Withington: Within the last, like 3 months.
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Andrew Maliphant: I have. I have a series around.
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Stuart Withington: In. In a meeting at the moment, can you call me back?
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Stuart Withington: When would be a good time to call back? Oh, 4 o'clock.
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Stuart Withington: Okay, okay.
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Andrew Maliphant: Let's see what I have.
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Andrew Maliphant: Cheers, Stuart. Yeah, I was looking to see if I could meet you. But I mean I'm I'm on my laptop today, which doesn't seem to give me all the facilities and controls that we we love and enjoy. So. But we're alright. Okay.
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Andrew Maliphant: So we just wait a couple more minutes for people to come, and I shall
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Andrew Maliphant: introduce Michael briefly, because then he can be. He'll be. But do a much better job. I'm sure of introducing himself and and 9 trees, and and what they're all about.
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Andrew Maliphant: Graham. As I say, Graham solits is afloat on the bare biscuit. At the moment he
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Andrew Maliphant: he thought he might be able to log in. It depends on whether he's storm bound in a port in Portugal or not.
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Andrew Maliphant: I could think of worse things than being stormbowed into port in Portugal. I'm quite a fan of Portland.
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Andrew Maliphant: but that's just apparently on his, on his trip out to to Iberia from from the Isle of Wight. They were doing 150 miles a day, which apparently is pretty good going for a 32 foot, anyway, it's not my world, but
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Andrew Maliphant: he was pretty pleased with that.
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Andrew Maliphant: yes, I did tell him. I have to be careful. So there we are.
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Andrew Maliphant: We are being recorded, of course. So if people don't want to have that their their front room shown on television.
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Andrew Maliphant: it can always just close your video screens. But
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Andrew Maliphant: there we go.
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Andrew Maliphant: I'm actually my front room rather than upstairs. It's
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Andrew Maliphant: It's quite nice up. Yeah, yeah. Come in. Come in my front room more often.
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Andrew Maliphant: Good. Good.
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Andrew Maliphant: We'll give it a couple of minutes, and then we'll start. Yeah.
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Andrew Maliphant: I'll say your your ears may have been burning the other day, Tristram. This morning I was talking. Some people at Middlesex University have been talking to you so
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tristram cary: Good.
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Andrew Maliphant: Another time. Yeah.
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tristram cary: Excellent.
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Michael Cunningham: Is there a way that you want to briefly introduce who you guys are? So I know who I'm speaking with.
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Andrew Maliphant: Okay, should we?
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tristram cary: That one.
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Michael Cunningham: Your your kind of green credentials, or are you businesses? Landowners like
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Michael Cunningham: council members? What?
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Michael Cunningham: Just briefly, if everyone can just give me a little interlude that'd be great.
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Andrew Maliphant: Great stuff, Michael. Well, I'm I'm Andrew Malaffan. I'm a retired Paris clerk and currently chairman of the great collaboration standing in for Graham, who is afloat on the briny. I've just asked people to go on. Tristram, do you wanna.
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tristram cary: I think perhaps it's perhaps, though in general we're mostly involved with local council
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tristram cary: councils. I think that's mostly anyway. And we're we're all part of this great collaboration which is trying to provide us a lot, collect a library of guidance and and data so that everybody can do climate planning better.
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tristram cary: And I'm I'm from which Field Parish Council and I also run a company that has a product called Parish Online.
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tristram cary: which is a A as a Gis platform for for local councils.
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Andrew Maliphant: Alright, thank you. Jenny Hodson, do you want to say a couple of words.
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Jenny Hodgson Stanwick PC: Yeah, sure, I'm a parish clock in Stanik, in Northamptonshire. These banter sessions have just come to my attention. So this is the 1st one I have attended. We're always looking to improve our our. You know, our biodiversity. We're a rural parish, so anything I can learn. I'm happy to take forward.
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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you very much, Jenny. Janet Cobb.
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Janet Cobb: Yeah. Hi, I'm parish clerk in the little village Edgerton, in Shropshire.
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Janet Cobb: and I'm also on the board of Middle Marches Community Land Trust.
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Andrew Maliphant: Yes, indeed, yeah, Jenny, and I've been John. I'll be in touch before I came to one of your events at Nijana. It was a great.
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Janet Cobb: Right. Yeah, Natalie Bennett, agreed to come to that.
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Janet Cobb: You gave it to the left country.
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Andrew Maliphant: It was good. John Payne.
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John Payne: Hi,
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John Payne: I'm a woodland manager and part owner in the village shop. I have a background in medicine, and I live in the Y. Valley.
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John Payne: I'm a member of extinction rebellion. I'm heavily involved in the Save the Y campaign.
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John Payne: and also as the A. 40 which is partially closed by a landslip for 5 months, which is the main road into Wales.
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John Payne: and we've done surveys on that. And this is the direct result of increased rainfall
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John Payne: due to climate change and the instability of the hillside.
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John Payne: Thank you, guys.
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Andrew Maliphant: Film.
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John Payne: Yeah. Yeah.
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John Payne: Yep.
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Andrew Maliphant: Huge innings. It says.
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Huw Jennings: Yeah, I know. Sorry. That's my husband.
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Andrew Maliphant: So I'm on.
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Huw Jennings: Selena Jennings.
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Huw Jennings: and I'm on Ushop Parish Council, which is a tiny council in North Hampshire, between Fleet
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Huw Jennings: and Farnham.
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Huw Jennings: and this is my 1st time on one of these sessions. It was recommended to me by a fellow counselor, and we're just on a sort of information gathering exercise to see what we can do
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Huw Jennings: in terms of our environment and the biodiversity.
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Andrew Maliphant: Fantastic, very welcome to your 1st meeting, John Fagan and a gentleman.
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John Fagan: Hello, everybody! My name is John Fagan. I am CEO. At Scribe we build apps to help time, press councils.
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Andrew Maliphant: Fantastic. Thank you, John Stuart.
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Stuart Withington: Hi, thanks I'm Stuart. A retired Nhs consultant
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Stuart Withington: now a town counselor in Great Dunmore in Essex.
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Stuart Withington: and I'm also chair of the Climate emergency team.
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Andrew Maliphant: Lovely job. Thanks, Stuart, Mary Moore, please.
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Mary Moore: Oh, Hi! I'm Mary and I. Chair small parish council. That like yours, Eleanor, but mine is near Tiverton in Devon.
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Mary Moore: And I also do quite a lot locally around from the environment just converted my house totally to wind turbine energy, which is
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Mary Moore: quite interesting, but is now foregoing. So that's brilliant.
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tristram cary: I'm glad.
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Andrew Maliphant: I'm I'm making a note of that. Mary will be in touch. Gary Ford, please.
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Andrew Maliphant: You'll say a quick word.
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Garry Ford: Yeah. Hi, yeah, I'm Gary. I'm from Caution town Council. I'm the environmental officer here. Caution Town Council, where a small council on in Wiltshire, on the edge of the Cotswolds.
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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you. Yeah. And we we met at the noun event quite recently, didn't we? Gary, yeah, indeed.
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Garry Ford: I was there.
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Andrew Maliphant: Wendy Thompson. Do you want to say a couple of words about yourself?
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: I, yeah, I've literally just managed to get on because it wouldn't let me
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: open I'm just trying to click the button to do my video. But that's not working either.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: Oh, it says, stop video. But I don't think I got video on, anyway. Okay. So I'll just talk so. No, I just. I was a counselor, and I I
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: there was a bit of a muck up which
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: war to go, for, so some of us didn't get back on. So we're I'm hoping to be Co. Opted back on to the Council. But that's not until the end of September, when they're having a meeting about it. So I'm in Gloucestershire in Stone House.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: I'm particularly interested in this one cause. I think I've been following
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: 9 trees for quite some time and making comments and all their Facebook activities and supporting them as much as I can. I yeah, I'm just just keen to learn as much as possible, and if there are any particular projects I can encourage the Council on groups to get involved in. That's what I want to do so. I've probably listened to about at least 8 of these now since I found out about them, and they've all been brilliant.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: So thank you.
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Andrew Maliphant: Thanks for that. Jackie Lawrence, Jackie, you've you've got in. That's great.
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Andrew Maliphant: Do you want to say a couple of words?
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Andrew Maliphant: You're on.
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Jacky Lawrence, Napton PC Climate and Environment Working Party: I have no idea what's going wrong with the sign-in nowadays. It's so much the last week, and this week's been so much more difficult than it's ever been before. It just keeps going around in circles asking me to register. So I'm from Napton. I'm on the Parish Council working party for climate and environment.
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Andrew Maliphant: Okay.
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Andrew Maliphant: thank you. Well, Graham's joining us from the boat, but we will. We'll talk about that, Graham, when you, when you, when you're back in the in the Uk. Great stuff we've got a Warrick. Webster just joined us.
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Warwick Webster: Aye.
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Andrew Maliphant: You want to say a couple of words about who you are, where you're from. So that's.
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Warwick Webster: Yeah, I am. I'm from a place called Burton Green, in Warwickshire, just outside sort of Coventry and I'm on the Parish Council one of my
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Warwick Webster: remixes biodiversity. So I've been trying to
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Warwick Webster: get trees planted in the parish.
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Warwick Webster: One of our biggest problems is we've got Hs 2,
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Warwick Webster: which is driven right the way through the village. It took out the village hall and various people so.
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Andrew Maliphant: Jersey.
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Warwick Webster: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And they, they they're building it.
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Warwick Webster: Well, they were building a tunnel.
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Warwick Webster: But it's the strangest way I've ever seen a tunnel built. It's called digging a trench.
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Warwick Webster: putting in the concrete and then putting the soil back on.
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Warwick Webster: It's not quite the way that the Victorians would have done it. I think Brunel might have done it a little bit better. But we obviously it's gone through
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Warwick Webster: 2 or 3
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Warwick Webster: areas of ancient woodland.
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Warwick Webster: I'm just taking them out so interested in how we can put trees back in.
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Andrew Maliphant: Right? Yeah. Don't get us started. Ihs, too. Yeah.
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Warwick Webster: Yeah.
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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you. Graham. And say, great great! To be in touch from across across the seas Graham always mentioned. Says he's our overseas member. In any case, he lives on the Isle of Wight. There we go. Thanks to that note in the chat Graham.
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Andrew Maliphant: David Morgan Jones. If you want to say a couple of words to introduce yourself, and they will ask a speaker to get him.
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David Morgan-Jones: Good good afternoon, everybody. I'm a parish counselor from you shot, which is in Hampshire, North Hampshire.
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David Morgan-Jones: And I
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David Morgan-Jones: the net 0 lead for the Council. But I'm also helping Heart District Council with their strategic planning
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David Morgan-Jones: in the same space.
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Andrew Maliphant: Right? Okay
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Andrew Maliphant: of a job.
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Michael Cunningham: Brilliant. I think that's everyone.
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Andrew Maliphant: I think we've got some good coverage there. And so, Michael, Michael is the the founder, I believe, of of 9 trees with a mission to develop biodiverse woodlands. And I I will let leave the floor to you, Michael, and you can tell us all about yourself and what you're taking to achieve, and and what what you would like to share with us.
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Michael Cunningham: Brilliant. Well, thank you very much for inviting me. And thank you, Graham, for in your initial contact.
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Michael Cunningham: and I think I started following you about a year ago.
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Michael Cunningham: and
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Michael Cunningham: have been following the video. So I'm really glad that that's all happening.
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Michael Cunningham: Can you see my screen?
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Michael Cunningham: Yeah.
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Andrew Maliphant: Thanks for the.
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Huw Jennings: Yep.
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Michael Cunningham: And I'm sorry if it's got like some mute and stop video stuff at the top. But I can't change that. So
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Michael Cunningham: so basically, I'm the founder of 9 trees. Cic, so we are a community interest company.
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Michael Cunningham: And we're basically creating nature biodiverse woodlands throughout the Uk.
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Michael Cunningham: my background is in habitat management and sustainability. But also I've done a lot of work. In like tourism and business and the arts in mid Wales.
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Michael Cunningham: So I was like one of the youngest directors of tourist partnership mid Wales, which is kind of like the Welsh Tourist board. And I ran Irwin Station craft center. Some of you from near in the Y valley might know it.
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Michael Cunningham: And my dad started that. So
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Michael Cunningham: basically, after a degree in wood woodland conservation in Hull. I then went and worked for like the Rspb.
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Michael Cunningham: And
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Michael Cunningham: all kinds of things like volunteering for the wooden trust and work for the environment agency work to the youth worker all kinds of things which you can see later on. My Linkedin, if you want to follow us.
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Michael Cunningham: And so basically, what we do is it's all about biodiversity and wellbeing.
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Michael Cunningham: It's not about carbon credits at the moment. It's also not about Bng, which is biodiversity net gain.
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Michael Cunningham: We basically want to make sure we're a bit different.
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Michael Cunningham: And also we don't want to get into the mess that that sometimes has created.
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Michael Cunningham: So I'll talk a bit more on that if if I want, if you want to, later. But really it's about creating something out of nothing. So I am the Woodland wizard on Linkedin.
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Michael Cunningham: and it's like the stone soup, you know. Everyone gives a little bit. So landowners give us land
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Michael Cunningham: businesses give us money
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Michael Cunningham: and individuals also give us money and hopefully, some volunteer time.
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Michael Cunningham: And if you scan that QR code you can follow me on Linkedin. But it's really easy on Linkedin just to search Michael Cunningham or 9 Trees Cic.
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Andrew Maliphant: Well, that was absolutely fabulous. And what a joy to know and meet somebody that's not only passionate about something, but is getting out there and doing it, which is fantastic. Thank you so much on a personal note. I'm so pleased that you put in the English name and the Latin names as well. I mean, many years ago I had a survey report from a company, and instead of saying Oak tree, they just said, Quirkus Robo, I thought, okay, thank you very much. So I appreciate that.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: Hi, so I'm just just oh, trying to press buttons again. Start the video. Here we go.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: I've I've got so I've got a daughter. Who's going to be 30 in a couple of weeks? It sounds brilliant. I'd love to do something so she could follow a tree
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Michael Cunningham: And when we've got sites in all of your areas then come to them at the moment it's much better, more efficient to give us 10 pounds, and and if everyone gives us 10 pounds, then we'll hopefully get to your your county sooner.
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Janet Cobb: Yeah. Hi, Michael, and fantastic talk. Thank you. And I I'm I'm a parish clerk, but I also work for Middle Marches community Land Trust, and we've been sort of buying up plots of land using public donations.
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Andrew Maliphant: Right. Thank you very much for that. But those questions that that there's a question in the chat you might want to look at, you know in a minute, Michael. But Tristram, your next up.
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tristram cary: Yeah, Michael, thank you very much. Very interesting talk.
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tristram cary: Can you tell me about your attitude to extracting timber from trees during their lifetime to to sort of extend their ability to sequester carbon and also make products that would be useful and could sequester carbon in, for instance, wooden buildings.
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Michael Cunningham: Yeah, so I I've done like timberframe building before as well, and I've I've chopped down my fair share of trees in the name of conservation and I think it's great to make something out of that. My dad was a wood turner and you know, I think it's wonderful. You know, we use wood all the time.
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Michael Cunningham: We import 90% of our wood for buildings. So your average like pine forests and and spruce and all that kind of stuff. So if we can create sustainable woodlands that are used
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Michael Cunningham: for like willow weaving, and like hazel coppice, and like very like oak, maybe an oak with oak standard forest with Hazeln story. Then we'd love to speak with the right landowner about that, but it would also come into like a profit share
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Michael Cunningham: where you know. Why are we giving money that is, public or private, funded so that a landowner can plant his. I don't know 20 grand crop in in 2550 years, so we need to be careful of how we work. With that I do totally agree with it. But I think that if you're making profit from it and things from it, maybe you've got that ability.
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Michael Cunningham: we've got a few things in the pipeline. So I'd say to any landowners who've got that thought in their head.
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Michael Cunningham: so we're working with, but with agroforestry as well, and that's similar, like, will they get money off it, or will they have, like community open days where they can pick the fruit and benefit.
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tristram cary: I would imagine that actually landowners might might be happy not to take the proceeds and and give that to you as a as a per as a sort of source of income for 9 trees.
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tristram cary: Because it's more, you know, it's it's more carbon beneficial.
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tristram cary: So rather than have one ton of of wood per tree over its entire lifetime, you'd you'd be extending that benefit.
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Michael Cunningham: Yeah, that's good point. And I'm willing for you to drop me an email with more intricacies. And when we find someone, yeah, I'm I'm willing to explore it, but I just haven't found the right person yet.
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Andrew Maliphant: Stuff. If we come to Jenny for a question, then perhaps, Michael, you could have a look at John's question in the chat. Jenny.
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Jenny Hodgson Stanwick PC: Yeah, this wasn't the 1st thing that came to my mind, but I've made a note. Your 50 year process excellent. Gets full of 3. What happens if the land owner dies?
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Jenny Hodgson Stanwick PC: Yes.
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Michael Cunningham: And it's a good deal for them, basically because we're managing the line for 50 years.
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Michael Cunningham: But if we are to get this properly sealed up with every landowner. We have to take it to legal a legal team.
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Michael Cunningham: and we've had a 20 grand quote to draw it all up, and we've had a 2 grand quote as well, which is really much better quote that we might go for. But then, every time there's a change, and every landowner is very different who we work with. It's another 500 pounds just to change a sentence. So at the moment I can send you the license agreement, and you can look through it and and find out, you know.
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Jenny Hodgson Stanwick PC: the the one of the questions I've got, and I don't know if you are in a position to answer. This is, we've got some land around the village that's owned by developers that haven't been touched in 25 plus years. So they've become self set woodland, and what protections we can give those
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Jenny Hodgson Stanwick PC: registering was a wildlife space or protecting those trees. Now that you know they they are self-set woodland.
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Michael Cunningham: Say that that developer may be keeping it to like, put a road through later to another development, or to develop later or they could then themselves get by. Do we see that gain on that? Possibly after a few years?
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Michael Cunningham: I don't know how old. It's just 5 years or so old. Did you say?
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Jenny Hodgson Stanwick PC: I think. Well, it's on land registry. It it shows as owned by Taylor Wimp. They've probably forgotten that they've got it but they've got a couple of portions of land which is, say, for at least 25 years people have been roaming across, and trees have been growing up because it's completely unmanaged. So there's always environmentally minded people in the village that say, Can we not protect this? Now? It's got to that stage.
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Jenny Hodgson Stanwick PC: Area of expertise. I I said, that that's fine. Thank you.
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Andrew Maliphant: I've made a note of your question, Jenny, and if I can find a good answer for you well, I will do thanks I'll just read out John's question in in the chat. People haven't seen it. John's pain starting a natural colonization project on a field next to rare temperate rainforest in the Forest of Dean
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Andrew Maliphant: gave up on agroforestry grants too complicated. What are your views, Michael, on natural colonization and community projects to look after the planting.
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Michael Cunningham: yeah, I I think that it'd be great to get a team of people to look after that planting and to do natural colonization with us. But like enough growth colonization, you don't really need us.
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Michael Cunningham: If it's already been done.
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Michael Cunningham: And but we can just give you free tree stakes and guards. But then the trees kind of belong to our sponsors and subscribers.
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Michael Cunningham: It's just the cost of trees. States and guards is is quite high to let a lot of them die.
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Michael Cunningham: and also you might want to speak to the landowner coordinator and the planting coordinator. So you can just book a 15 min. Zoom with us online really easily.
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Michael Cunningham: I don't really know if that answers your question, because he's already starting a natural colonization project.
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Andrew Maliphant: You're you're you're still muted. John.
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Michael Cunningham: We could take it. Offline, John, and have that meeting
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Andrew Maliphant: You're you're still, muted, John. We'll we'll we'll come back to you in a minute, shall we? If you
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Michael Cunningham: Yeah, let's come back to John, and and it will be easy to take off once. I can't answer that at the moment. Really.
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Andrew Maliphant: Okay. Gary Ford, you've got your hand up, my friend.
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Garry Ford: Yeah, just
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Garry Ford: I was just wondering how many trees. Have you actually managed to plant so far? What's the total number you've you've achieved so far, so
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Garry Ford: fantastic stuff that you're doing? I think it's great and also.
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Garry Ford: how do you keep track of all the trees that you've planted? I've just done a stocktake of caution. Town councils, trees. We got about 200 that we've planted in the last couple of years, and that took me forever to kind of go around and check on check upon them. So I'm just wondering how you you manage it, and how many you've got.
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Michael Cunningham: Yes, we've actually just released our impact report.
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Michael Cunningham: And since 2,019, we've planted 15,000 trees
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Michael Cunningham: and we check on the trees every year. For the 1st 5 years. We know the landowners well.
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Michael Cunningham: So then we might reorder 10% or 20% of the trees and replant them.
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Michael Cunningham: that's how we keep track of them, I suppose, through being actually there and visiting the sites and the landowners might tell us if there's something wrong. For some reason the visitors might tell us if there's something wrong, some reason.
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Michael Cunningham: yeah. And when we don't plant like one tree here, one tree there, you know, we're planting 90 to 500 to 5,000 trees in in well, not blocks, but still lovely woodland habitat.
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Garry Ford: You don't. You don't count every single tree every year. Then.
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Michael Cunningham: We? We just order like a thousand or 3,000, and then we do the beat up survey, which say, you might need to plan another 500 or 100,
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Michael Cunningham: and then we keep a track on that. And when people buy 9 Trees office, we actually plant 13. So even if we did have 30% losses.
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Michael Cunningham: that's maybe something to do in year 10 or something. And when we're working with Bath University, you know, we're continually trying to get research and development. And there's more drones and more satellite imagery. So we're working with like map impact.
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Michael Cunningham: and other like, you know, I gave a talk at the the whales agi about you know how we do. Gis mapping and magic maps and all that data.
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Michael Cunningham: An Arcgis. Some of you might have heard about that. But
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Michael Cunningham: I suppose we maybe we could do a little blog on. Why, we plant 13 trees, not 9.
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Michael Cunningham: it's just really confusing for people they're like, why did you do that? And then people hear about mortality of trees, and they're like what maybe 30% of them will die. Oh, and then, like.
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Michael Cunningham: There's just so many intricacies. We need to try and just keep it pretty simple for people.
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Andrew Maliphant: Okay. Excellent. Before I go to any other questions in February that there's just another one the chat for you Michael from work. Webster, our Parish Council, looking to work to connect damage ancient woodlands on the eastern side of Hs. 2 to hopefully blend in with a green corridor. Would this be an area you could help with.
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Michael Cunningham: So
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Michael Cunningham: so once they have, like fulfilled their obligation. Say, it's to plant 5 million trees along the corridor.
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Michael Cunningham: And if they are the landowner.
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Michael Cunningham: if he's talking about landowners or his own Parish council. That is side from it, and hasn't got any obligation to do it yet. Then we'd love to talk to them as a landowner, and of course we can do tree planting and maintenance
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Michael Cunningham: so there might even be money from Hs 2 they can get, and they could apply employ our services. So we're not wasting the money of individuals and businesses who actually want to bring additional woodland, not additionality.
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Michael Cunningham: You know what I mean.
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Warwick Webster: I'm not gonna get into Hs 2, but it is very difficult to get any engagement, meaningful engagement with them about the design of the green corridor, or or so on, because well, just goes on and on. So we we're looking at the
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Warwick Webster: with various landowners. You've got a whole different range of landowners. We've got. If you imagine 3 blodges of of ancient woodland, and we'd like to connect that up.
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Warwick Webster: And the part of this is also to prevent development from Coventry of us becoming a suburb of Coventry, and so on. And it it. It's
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Warwick Webster: a lit up when I heard you saying about you sort of connecting all these people together, including landowners and that sort of thing
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Warwick Webster: in a in another hour I've got another Zoom Meeting with the climate officer from the works in West Midlands Association of local councils
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Warwick Webster: who also works with the Work university are not work universities is the other side of the area that we're looking at. They're they're they're looking to put an eco park in somewhere there as well. So we it, you know it's it's
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Warwick Webster: how do you join all these people with good intentions together.
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Warwick Webster: and, you know, get something to happen, preferably before any of us dies.
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Michael Cunningham: Well, you know we're doing that. So let them know about us. We can give you free trees, sex, and God's great if we can, you know, say we're working in partnership with this council or that green belt, or whatever, and that's good for our branding, and that might allow people, businesses, and individuals to give us money or give the the cooperative the money. And then, you know, that's all we've got to marry up is landowners with money. So we do all of that, you know we don't. We don't try and get funding from a big funding pot.
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Michael Cunningham: and nor from the government nor from the lottery. You know. This is, we're all in this together, individuals, businesses, and landowners. So
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Michael Cunningham: if you've got anything like that you want to do, just drop me an email, talk to this person that you're on the zoom with next share, share, share the link to our website. And yeah, we just need to make sure that if they're raising like 50 grand for woodland, and we put 20 grand in that that we're at least mentioned in that percentage.
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Warwick Webster: Yeah, yeah.
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Michael Cunningham: Partnerships. And those trees are still designated to our sponsors and subscribers, even though it's part of the bigger woodland.
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Warwick Webster: I mean, we'd hope, like you said, that we can squeeze some money out of Bbv. The contractor and Hs. 2 for some of this, but.
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Michael Cunningham: Great. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Andrew Maliphant: That's what. Yeah, I think very much. That's what the the great collaborations about is encouraging. You know, local leadership local joining up. And so we're power to your owner.
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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you. That work. John Payne, you have your hand up.
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Andrew Maliphant: Get you on.
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John Payne: Oh, yeah, thank you. I'm sorry I had problems with my iphone navigating it with the zoom. But.
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Michael Cunningham: My wife! What!
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John Payne: What I wanted to know really was, do you.
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John Payne: when when you take over this one, do do you arrange all the fencing? Because that seems to be the most expensive part of the whole whole planting process. Now they in the Forest of Dean. They require deer fencing, which is prohibitively expensive.
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John Payne: And my second question is, is this a solution for the
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John Payne: maintenance and succession of woodland that you might leave to children? Say, because I'm I'm I'm conscious of my age.
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John Payne: actually have a program to manage woodland after, say, the most active member woodland manager has passed away and still owns and is passing it on to children who may not be interested in woodland.
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Michael Cunningham: Yeah. So I'm glad you took relax. So the legacy of of you yourself. If you bought 9 trees
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Michael Cunningham: then? Well, I'm sure that we haven't like spoken about it yet, but it'd be great if you wanted to say you know you'd love those 9 trees to continue to go on to your son or daughter, or whatever
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Michael Cunningham: but generally they're your 9 trees, and they will only have sequestered your 9 tons, say, for this year in 50 or 100 years.
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Michael Cunningham: In theory. They could also start joining us with 9 trees or by one tree, or you could buy them a gift of 4 trees, so that they've got access for the next 50 years to the same woodlands that you've got trees in. And we have got a pass. Actually, that allows you access to all of the woodlands for 12 months.
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Michael Cunningham: And that's quite cheap, considering but it doesn't go towards planting trees. It's just
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Michael Cunningham: And then I mentioned earlier about the agreement 50 year Agreement.
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Michael Cunningham: It just stipulates that we would like to continue managing that woodland, and that we would like you to leave it to us in your will if you're a landowner.
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Michael Cunningham: so we can't do much else, because it is a climate crisis. I don't want a 20 grand legal bill. Which would mean we couldn't do these woodlands, you know. We spent
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Michael Cunningham: 150 grand or more on on these woodlands, and we've got on with it quite fast since we started in 2,019.
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Michael Cunningham: and
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Michael Cunningham: that's also part of why we're not a charity. We're just like look me and me and other directors. Now there's 3 of us just getting on with it, money in plant trees, but with all the stuff in the background going on.
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Michael Cunningham: Does that answer some of your questions? Sorry, John.
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John Payne: Yeah, I'm just thinking about, you know. How can you arrange the fencing, you know, because the fencing and all the other.
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Michael Cunningham: Fencing. Yeah. So we did do the initial, the 1st 2 sites fencing, and that really was
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Michael Cunningham: a real pain.
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Michael Cunningham: The amount of money it costs. So we decided to to not do the fencing anymore.
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Michael Cunningham: However, we can help landowners get grants for fencing and materials and things like that. And we're also thinking of of helping them get
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Michael Cunningham: like the initial grants that landowners work with in England or Wales, so
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Michael Cunningham: to do the whole planting, and then we act as a private contractor to do that.
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Michael Cunningham: So there's a few different ways. We can work with landowners
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Michael Cunningham: at the moment. They don't do fencing.
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John Payne: So I I think I'm understanding your organization. Really it it
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John Payne: your interest resides in the trees, not the land, isn't it?
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John Payne: Yep.
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John Payne: yeah, I can understand. Yeah.
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John Payne: thank you. Great talk. Yeah.
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Michael Cunningham: Thanks. Tom, thanks.
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Andrew Maliphant: We also. We also have wild boar in the Forest of Dean. But we won't talk about that.
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John Payne: No, and sheep.
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Andrew Maliphant: Sheet, of course. Yeah. Where do you have your hand up.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: It's really a follow on from from Jenny. So we do have
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: a plot of land which is about, and should be handed over to the Council that was in ownership from the builders, and it because it was part of the setting up the ecology and balancing the ecology. And we've got
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: mutes on it and and it but it's quite overgrown now, and it's just not managed by them. So there is a plan to, and the Council have been working on it for some time
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: to take over ownership, and it occurred to me then maybe we could talk to you to support
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: you, you know, getting local people through you
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: to have a tree that I mean it's not forest, it is, is. There are trees, and there's ponds. And then the newts. But there are trees, and I just wondered whether if any of those trees would be suitable to be
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: sponsored through your organization.
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Michael Cunningham: Yeah, we don't do that at the moment. Because we need all the trees to have passports and be locally sourced and locally grown, and obviously, if they're blowing and fair enough. They probably are.
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Michael Cunningham: What you've probably got. There is a rich brownfield site. Now. That has created its own habitat, which could be really amazing. And and so, yeah, the 1st thing to do is to get some surveys done
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Michael Cunningham: on that, because.
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Michael Cunningham: underneath all that overgrownness there could be many trees coming through. So your natural region in 5 years, if you left it could be could be great. I mean, I don't know. I've not looked at it, but it wouldn't take too much to to get there and to look at that and maybe there is
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Michael Cunningham: is a way that we could
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Michael Cunningham: kind of.
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Michael Cunningham: Maybe it's more about selling
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Michael Cunningham: like a 3 meter squared block to our sponsors, and then we can get the money, and then with that money, say, of like an acre
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Michael Cunningham: we could get like 500 pounds in or more, maybe a thousand pounds, and then
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Michael Cunningham: spend that on an ecologist to do the ecology work
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Michael Cunningham: and then find yet that area is not very good, so we could do 500 trees on that land.
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Michael Cunningham: but I don't know yet. I've not really thought about that. It's a really good idea.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: It. It's I mean the it. I I don't know if you heard of this
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: Stroud 5 Valleys project because they were they were managing it for a certain amount of time, and tried to pass it over to the Council, possibly 5 or 6
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: even more years ago. But anyway, yeah, no. I'm just always thinking of different ways of trying to get the local people involved in.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: you know. If if they knew they had a tree there they might take more care and whatever. But no. Okay, then no, it's good good to
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: Have a discussion about it.
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Michael Cunningham: I'd say, Yeah, drop me an email with those facts and ex like I do on quite a lot of zooms. And then loads of things are mentioned. And it's hard for me to follow up without an email. But then, CC, us into the right person, if you want to and say, just connecting you, maybe you guys should have a zoom. This is the idea. Cause that's where 9 trees all comes from. You know, it's everyone member like we've got 23 volunteers as well.
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Michael Cunningham: Who come and join weekly meetings. Sometimes they just do 4 HA week as an ambassador. They go to events for us. There's so many different volunteer opportunities. And and one of them can be just like giving us some ideas, but also not just giving us idea, but helping us run with it.
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Michael Cunningham: So it might be that you find someone in the Gloucester area who's a student out of university at the moment. Who wants to do something ecologically, and you know we could take them on as an intern or unpaid volunteering to work on this project.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: Brilliant. Yeah.
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Michael Cunningham: Yeah, any ideas by that. Yeah.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: Just as a an addition. I I just can't help myself, but I get loads of trees, self seeding, that I find in my gravel path. I might buy a conquer tree, and I've I just
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: growing them on. So I keep thinking at some point they're too big for pots, and they have to go somewhere a bit more permanent. But anyway.
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Michael Cunningham: I'm I'm glad you said that because we we do need it to be done by a verified tree collector, which is a lot easier to do. And we've got a blog about that on our website. Because.
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Michael Cunningham: they're probably ash and sycamore, which we we're not allowed to plant ash die back, and sycamore is not considered a native species, and it's so much blows in. We wouldn't plant it because it will just get there anyway.
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Michael Cunningham: But yeah, if you've got.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: They've got feed maple we've got. I don't know. There's a guy called John Parker who's part of the arboretum Tree Arboretum, which is based in Stonehouse. I don't know if you know those guys, but.
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Michael Cunningham: Basically, if unless you've got a
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Michael Cunningham: a verified thing, we can't take your trees. But there are other like groups on Facebook and gorilla gardening things that might be able to help you. But we can't can't do that at the moment.
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Wendy Thomson Stonehouse Gloucestershire: And thank you.
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Michael Cunningham: I just. I've noticed there's a couple of people who have just joined the chat. Well, maybe at the beginning. Does anyone? Is that, Sarah, did you say who you were and what you did earlier?
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Michael Cunningham: Do you want to briefly pipe in to say where you're from, and and what your interest is.
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sarah woffenden: Do you mean me?
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Michael Cunningham: Yes, yes, yes, there will.
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sarah woffenden: Well, I'm with Milbert Parish Council. And
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sarah woffenden: we're based in Cornwall in Millbrook.
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sarah woffenden: So yeah, I'm just listening in, because these sessions are very helpful.
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sarah woffenden: yeah, so haven't got any specific interest. It's good to find out about 9 trees.
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sarah woffenden: Yeah, that's fine.
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Michael Cunningham: And is there anyone else who's joined? I think that's everyone.
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Andrew Maliphant: I think that's that's already introduced themselves. That sound. Thank you, Sarah. That's great.
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Michael Cunningham: I think we've got one more hand up, but it is nearing one o'clock. So I don't know if we want to make this a last question. If that's okay.
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Andrew Maliphant: Yeah, if if you've got to move on then that's absolutely fine, Michael, I'm I'm quite happy to stay a bit longer.
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Michael Cunningham: And you can email me any questions as well. That's fine.
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Andrew Maliphant: That's great!
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Michael Cunningham: Let's go through it.
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Andrew Maliphant: Do it.
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Stuart Withington: Okay, thanks great tool. And I really admire the work you're doing.
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Stuart Withington: I live in Essex. Essex. Part of Essex is net 0.
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Stuart Withington: Pledge was to plant.
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Stuart Withington: I've forgotten how many thousands of trees
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Stuart Withington: they planted the verges all along the new a 1 20
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Stuart Withington: with trees.
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Stuart Withington: and I suspect about 95% of them are dead.
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Stuart Withington: We had really quite a dry summer.
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Stuart Withington: nobody water them. Nobody took care of them, and I gather. We are not alone with this problem. I I think a stretch of the new a 14
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Stuart Withington: they had a lot of planting done, and likewise they're all dead.
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Stuart Withington: Would you
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Stuart Withington: consider
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Stuart Withington: so taking a contract from Essex highways to do the trees and look after them.
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Michael Cunningham: For the.
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Stuart Withington: Yeah, the money is there. The land is there, the road.
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Michael Cunningham: There is actually a million trees contract out there for highways and we are on their feed.
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Michael Cunningham: again. That's like it's their job they should pay for it. So maybe as a private contractor, we can do that under 9 9 trees contracting
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Michael Cunningham: so
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Michael Cunningham: that it would be unfair of us to to take money and to replant
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Michael Cunningham: the councillors pledge to do it. It's like not part of their planning permission, but it's part of their pledge net 0 to do it.
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Michael Cunningham: They should find the money for it.
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Michael Cunningham: and they should look after the trees. And now they realize that it's 90% of the trees die. Maybe they'll put in that management
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Michael Cunningham: of 5 years.
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Michael Cunningham: well, at least 5 years, you know.
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Michael Cunningham: So we replant for the 1st 5 years.
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Michael Cunningham: and that's great. So
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Michael Cunningham: it would be a discussion between us and that landowner, and possibly highways.
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Michael Cunningham: to do that.
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Stuart Withington: Okay. Thank you.
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Andrew Maliphant: But we've got some good conversations going with the Essex County councillors. Stuart knows. So who who knows what the future may bring? And there's a lot of counties out there, of course. So
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Andrew Maliphant: it's great to have your connection here, Michael. I think we've had a really good go at questions from you.
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Michael Cunningham: Yeah, it's been great. Thank you so much. Everyone. Yeah.
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Andrew Maliphant: Lots of ideas this presentation will be put on on Youtube in due course. And, ma, Michael, if you could share your presentation as well, please. That would be great. Then we can. We can post that up as well. if anybody else got anything else to ask. I'm happy to say a bit longer. But you do. You need to. You need to go on somewhere else. Do, Michael.
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Michael Cunningham: I'm happy just to let you guys chat amongst yourselves and discuss. However, you usually end the meetings. But yeah, I'm I'm going very soon. Thank you very much. I'll take this opportunity. Say, thank you.
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Andrew Maliphant: Thank you very much. It'd be great. Thank you.
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Andrew Maliphant: Your question.
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sarah woffenden: Thank you. Thanks, very.
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Warwick Webster: You.
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Andrew Maliphant: And fantastic, and we'll keep in touch with you, my friend.
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Andrew Maliphant: Great. Okay. There's a there's a reaction button for clapping hands. When I couldn't find it quickly enough.
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Andrew Maliphant: Obviously the things in the chat would also be saved.
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Andrew Maliphant: I don't know if anybody else wanted to talk about anything else, or or raise any other points but
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Andrew Maliphant: otherwise we will call it a day, and up to the next occasion we'll have every Wednesday at 12, noon 12 midday, whichever way we prefer to call it. There is one of these sessions, and we will be very pleased to see you all there again at another time, if anybody wants to chat with us directly I sent out an email today from the great collaboration email address, any other topics people have and want to ask about. Please, please do. Yeah.
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Andrew Maliphant: Great. If there's and any more for any more
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Andrew Maliphant: donkey dokey right? Well, we'll call it a day. Thanks so much for joining in, and
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Andrew Maliphant: let us go forward together, which I say every time. Yes.
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Warwick Webster: Thank you.
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Stuart Withington: Alright!
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