Banter 21: Child-led,Eco-refill workshops, 29May24, Lizzie Gimblett

Lizzie introduces us to the PupilProfit facility, in which children set up a refill shop at their school, and are introduced to Climate and Environmental Change without fear

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:33.160 --> 00:00:38.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Gary, Amanda Tracy Merlin win the other than you. 2 00:01:38.820 --> 00:01:39.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good 3 00:02:25.670 --> 00:02:26.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones: farm. 4 00:04:00.720 --> 00:04:02.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good morning, Lizzy. 5 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:04.220 Lizzie Gimblett: Morning. Graham, how are you. 6 00:04:04.220 --> 00:04:08.923 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I am in great shape. We've got the sunshine out. We're all ready for a bright session. 7 00:04:09.200 --> 00:04:12.689 Lizzie Gimblett: Fabulous. No, it's nice to see the sun, isn't it? Goodness me. 8 00:04:12.820 --> 00:04:14.306 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, yes, 9 00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:18.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was reading somewhere that we've had 10 00:04:19.269 --> 00:04:21.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: a beautiful day in Dorset. 11 00:04:22.029 --> 00:04:26.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and 29 miles away in Yoga, and it was the wettest day they've ever had. 12 00:04:26.650 --> 00:04:41.360 Lizzie Gimblett: No. Gosh, it's really yeah, no, it's awful. I was looking at the lawn, thinking, Why is it yellow? There's been so much rain, and then I went, looked at it, and apparently too much rain causes the lawn to go yellow, which. 13 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:42.500 Lizzie Gimblett: yeah, anyway. 14 00:04:43.085 --> 00:04:45.779 Lizzie Gimblett: Sign of the times, unfortunately. But anyway. 15 00:04:45.780 --> 00:04:54.069 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It all depends on the sort of grass you have. When I there was living in Somerset we were on the Somerset levels, which are very prone to flooding. 16 00:04:54.240 --> 00:05:00.535 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and the grass there seems to thrive on being under under 10 feet of water has no problem at all. 17 00:05:01.610 --> 00:05:04.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is why there are so many cows in Somerset. 18 00:05:04.520 --> 00:05:17.709 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, no, indeed. Oh, well, I am going to be investigating, I think lawn seed because I did the No Mo. May. And then, when it was beautiful at the weekend, I thought, Oh, I'm actually going to mow that end, and some it is very yellow. 19 00:05:17.710 --> 00:05:18.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright! Alright! 20 00:05:19.270 --> 00:05:19.750 Lizzie Gimblett: Anyway. 21 00:05:19.750 --> 00:05:20.616 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Morning, Stuart. 22 00:05:21.050 --> 00:05:22.090 Stuart Withington: Good morning! 23 00:05:22.610 --> 00:05:24.530 Lizzie Gimblett: Morning, Stuart. Nice to meet you. 24 00:05:24.530 --> 00:05:26.209 Stuart Withington: Hi! Nice to meet you, too. 25 00:05:26.300 --> 00:05:28.220 Stuart Withington: Are you our guest? Speaker? 26 00:05:28.220 --> 00:05:31.620 Lizzie Gimblett: I am, I am so looking forward to it. 27 00:05:31.850 --> 00:05:33.209 Stuart Withington: Excellent, so am I. 28 00:05:37.880 --> 00:05:43.559 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now we can just thrash out the details, is he? You're gonna start off by showing things from your screen. 29 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:44.470 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes. 30 00:05:44.470 --> 00:05:47.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And when you get to the cartoon you want me to show it. 31 00:05:47.530 --> 00:05:48.929 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, if that would be Ok, that. 32 00:05:48.930 --> 00:05:54.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, yeah, that's fine. What you need to remember. You'll need to unshare your screen before I can share mine. 33 00:05:54.410 --> 00:06:17.990 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, okay. And I think, do you need to share? Oh, I see. I click, share screen, don't. I'm not very good at these things. And then, yes, okay, that's fine. Yes, I've just got a Powerpoint, which I'll I'll sort of jump through, really, because it summarizes everything nicely, but I think people will be much more interested in chatting at the end rather than. 34 00:06:17.990 --> 00:06:18.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But yes. 35 00:06:18.770 --> 00:06:20.180 Lizzie Gimblett: Looking at slides. 36 00:06:20.850 --> 00:06:27.155 Graham Stoddart-Stones: i i i missed a trick in the invitation. I should have asked them to bring all children and grandchildren along with them. 37 00:06:27.450 --> 00:06:28.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, that'd be. 38 00:06:28.870 --> 00:06:32.300 Lizzie Gimblett: Lovely to have some input from the children absolutely. 39 00:06:32.300 --> 00:06:34.660 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That was a big mistake. I'm sorry about that. 40 00:06:34.960 --> 00:06:36.734 Lizzie Gimblett: No, no, I'm sure I'm I'm. 41 00:06:37.030 --> 00:06:40.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We can make an announcement that anyone that's got children with them can go and get them. 42 00:06:40.650 --> 00:06:41.474 Lizzie Gimblett: Bring them in. 43 00:06:47.140 --> 00:06:59.269 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it's interesting, although you, your forecast, that we might be low on numbers because of half term, seems to be quite accurate. What we've got is a very new bunch of people. What's the 1st timers here? 44 00:06:59.700 --> 00:07:00.580 Lizzie Gimblett: They're wonderful. 45 00:07:00.580 --> 00:07:03.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, so you're winning both ways. 46 00:07:04.250 --> 00:07:05.303 Lizzie Gimblett: Hey? Very 47 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:08.840 Lizzie Gimblett: very very interesting. Morning, Neil. 48 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:11.760 Neal Whipp: Morning. I'm trying to get rid of me. It's in the way. 49 00:07:12.260 --> 00:07:13.789 Neal Whipp: No, that would amazingly. 50 00:07:15.440 --> 00:07:20.335 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We we could do with a little bit more of your hair and a bit less of your ceiling, otherwise 51 00:07:27.080 --> 00:07:29.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones: are you with a laptop, Neil. 52 00:07:29.810 --> 00:07:30.430 Neal Whipp: Yes. 53 00:07:30.430 --> 00:07:33.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You need to tilt the screen a little bit towards you. 54 00:07:33.550 --> 00:07:36.400 Neal Whipp: Alright. I'm trying to at the moment. I can't see anybody 55 00:07:36.970 --> 00:07:40.325 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, okay, well, we. We rest assured that we can receive. 56 00:07:40.630 --> 00:07:41.210 Neal Whipp: Gosh! 57 00:07:41.790 --> 00:07:43.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones: From the nose upwards. 58 00:07:43.440 --> 00:07:44.420 Neal Whipp: Let's get rid of that 59 00:07:47.410 --> 00:07:51.069 Neal Whipp: into my password. Now, I've no idea what my password is 60 00:07:51.390 --> 00:07:52.189 Neal Whipp: over this. 61 00:07:52.190 --> 00:07:52.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sit, no. 62 00:07:55.660 --> 00:08:02.099 Wendy Thomson: That's it. That's it. Regardless. So I think this is gonna have more of an impact on those owners that are swinging voters. 63 00:08:30.880 --> 00:08:31.690 Neal Whipp: Right. 64 00:08:44.850 --> 00:08:50.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So just in case you're getting nervous busy, we've got one person who is 65 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:57.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think, politically bound to be late. It's just a stated requirement and a job description. So. 66 00:08:57.830 --> 00:08:58.820 Lizzie Gimblett: Marvellous. 67 00:08:58.990 --> 00:09:03.105 Lizzie Gimblett: I'm not very happy just just to wait, but it's always 68 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:12.569 Lizzie Gimblett: I always feel bad for the people that are there 1st if you start and then stop and then go back again. So very nice to have you there, Neil. 69 00:09:12.830 --> 00:09:13.600 Neal Whipp: Good. 70 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:15.491 Lizzie Gimblett: Your your full face, now. 71 00:09:15.870 --> 00:09:16.300 Neal Whipp: Yeah. 72 00:09:16.300 --> 00:09:16.850 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, yes. 73 00:09:16.850 --> 00:09:18.280 Neal Whipp: Door, and wardrobes. 74 00:09:18.280 --> 00:09:19.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, and you're seeing us. 75 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:22.909 Neal Whipp: Yes, I can see 3 of you perfect. 76 00:09:23.150 --> 00:09:30.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Well, you should see Stewart now, and Jackie is just about to join us from a very, very 77 00:09:30.190 --> 00:09:33.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: weird background. You are a railway train. No. 78 00:09:34.380 --> 00:09:35.470 Lizzie Gimblett: Beautiful background. 79 00:09:35.470 --> 00:09:37.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, look at that. 80 00:09:40.410 --> 00:09:42.384 Wendy Thomson: They were saying, really nice 81 00:09:42.870 --> 00:09:44.958 Wendy Thomson: Tuesday should be good. 82 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Say good morning to Wendy. Good morning to you. 83 00:09:47.760 --> 00:09:48.129 Lizzie Gimblett: I mean. 84 00:09:48.130 --> 00:09:52.180 Wendy Thomson: I am, and my little foster dog, Piper. 85 00:09:52.470 --> 00:09:53.330 Lizzie Gimblett: Yeah, light. 86 00:09:55.180 --> 00:10:04.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We were just saying earlier, I I missed a big trick by not suggesting that anyone who's got children around would be very welcome to bring them into this session. So 87 00:10:04.090 --> 00:10:08.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones: if you need to go and call on grandchildren or children, now is the time. 88 00:10:10.420 --> 00:10:11.720 Wendy Thomson: Sadly, not yet. 89 00:10:12.130 --> 00:10:13.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, well, never mind. 90 00:10:14.280 --> 00:10:16.980 Lizzie Gimblett: Happy to have the dog, though 91 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:23.031 Lizzie Gimblett: mine may he. He may decide to join us, but I'm I'm hoping he won't. 92 00:10:23.850 --> 00:10:37.949 Lizzie Gimblett: He he can be quite active. He had a back surgery about a month ago, and as he's progressively got better and better, he's become more participative in meetings, and he makes his views quite strongly known. But. 93 00:10:37.950 --> 00:10:38.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right. 94 00:10:38.270 --> 00:10:39.780 Lizzie Gimblett: Keep fingers crossed. 95 00:10:40.030 --> 00:10:42.369 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Your dad? Dab footed with the keyboard. 96 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:55.549 Lizzie Gimblett: He's not allowed anywhere near it. But still he's he's part poodle, and then poodle seem to be quite clever at making their views quite clear. So 97 00:10:59.260 --> 00:11:02.510 Lizzie Gimblett: shall I make a start, Graham? Or do you want to wait. 98 00:11:02.510 --> 00:11:07.449 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, I think we'll give them a couple of more minutes. Traditionally we give them 5 min. 99 00:11:07.992 --> 00:11:17.349 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we can. So I make rude remarks about, I'm able to say good morning to all those people who showed up on time and good afternoon to all those who didn't. 100 00:11:17.500 --> 00:11:18.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So so 101 00:11:22.710 --> 00:11:28.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so I'll just say hello to Jackie and to Amanda. Good day to you. 102 00:11:28.260 --> 00:11:28.620 Amanda Davis: They live. 103 00:11:28.620 --> 00:11:29.240 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Move in. 104 00:11:29.650 --> 00:11:33.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And Gary, okay, I think we're sort of where we need to be. 105 00:11:34.170 --> 00:11:37.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So thanks, Gary. 106 00:11:37.502 --> 00:11:51.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so let us go ahead and say, thank you all very much for showing up today. We've got Lizzie giving us a much more unusual presentation, I think, than we used to so I'm looking forward to this. 107 00:11:52.392 --> 00:11:56.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if you'd like to go ahead, please. Lizzie, it's all yours. 108 00:11:57.060 --> 00:12:08.280 Lizzie Gimblett: Wonderful. Well, I'm going to talk to you today about the child led enterprises that we offer at pupil's profit. So I set people's profit up 109 00:12:08.350 --> 00:12:10.640 Lizzie Gimblett: a little over a decade ago. 110 00:12:11.050 --> 00:12:31.260 Lizzie Gimblett: and until 2019 I was working with schools setting up healthy tuck shops. So the old fashioned tuck shop idea with the twist that actually it's healthy, and children were given an opportunity to. Take the reins on healthy eating, and I think a lot of 111 00:12:31.340 --> 00:12:47.300 Lizzie Gimblett: education involves telling children what the right thing to do is, and hoping they'll do it, and actually setting them free with a range of snacks that are healthy and letting them sell them to each other is enormous fun, and they get a lot out of it. And 112 00:12:47.899 --> 00:12:54.690 Lizzie Gimblett: it's it's always been a really exciting thing to be a part of so shortly before lockdown. 113 00:12:55.349 --> 00:13:03.079 Lizzie Gimblett: I have the idea that the re the tuck shop could be transformed into a refill shop. 114 00:13:03.380 --> 00:13:09.717 Lizzie Gimblett: and this you know, I grew up in a little village, and I used to take 115 00:13:10.640 --> 00:13:15.579 Lizzie Gimblett: cherry aid bottles back to the newsagents, and they were very kind, and they'd give you a 116 00:13:15.800 --> 00:13:29.939 Lizzie Gimblett: 20 p. Back for them or something, and you give them back, and they've reused them, and I never forgot that, and my daughter used to dance at Ballet School, which was right next to a refill shop actually. 117 00:13:30.290 --> 00:13:41.849 Lizzie Gimblett: more recently, and I used to get at a ballet with bun as perfect as could be, and you know shoes in bag, etc. And would forget my refill containers for the refill shop. 118 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:46.705 Lizzie Gimblett: and when I did eventually manage to remember the refill containers, I refilled 119 00:13:47.040 --> 00:14:01.269 Lizzie Gimblett: a container with body wash, and I was told it was 14 pounds, and I thought, crumbs, that's a lot of money for body wash. Happy to do it this once just about. But you know this doesn't feel like a match. 120 00:14:01.330 --> 00:14:21.479 Lizzie Gimblett: And so, anyway, the the idea of adapting the tuck shop or keeping the tuck shop, but then developing a tuck shop mark 2 which reduces plastic waste and allows the children more importantly to be involved. Was born, and then lockdown happened, and so I had plenty of time, with no work 121 00:14:22.830 --> 00:14:28.109 Lizzie Gimblett: to develop it as an idea, and was lucky enough to get some funding from the gla. 122 00:14:28.130 --> 00:14:48.260 Lizzie Gimblett: So this is all the backstory. But out of that we have 80 schools working with refill shops. So there are 80 teams of children selling refills to parents and carers and staff and reducing plastic waste. So I'm just going to do a little, very 123 00:14:48.740 --> 00:14:57.379 Lizzie Gimblett: light touch death by Powerpoint, and if at any point you want to ask a question, please just unmute and jump in. 124 00:14:57.590 --> 00:15:01.513 Lizzie Gimblett: and then I think we'll watch a brief cartoon, because that's that's 125 00:15:02.040 --> 00:15:22.340 Lizzie Gimblett: going from where we're at to where we're going to be in September, which, I think is an exciting development, and then then I think we can have a sort of more open chat about how we work with schools and what the benefits really are, and you know your your take on it. So I'll share screen now and. 126 00:15:22.340 --> 00:15:23.570 Neal Whipp: Can I just ask. 127 00:15:23.570 --> 00:15:24.060 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, what? 128 00:15:24.060 --> 00:15:26.390 Neal Whipp: Age group are the children that you're dealing with. 129 00:15:26.390 --> 00:15:50.619 Lizzie Gimblett: Oh, brilliant question! So they are. Aged about 9, to about 14. So it's key stage 2 in primary school, Neil, and then in secondary school. It varies. It's very often key stage 3. But then some of Key Stage 4 want to get involved, and of course they can. And of course, the younger children, if they do want to get involved, no one wants to turn them away. 130 00:15:50.820 --> 00:16:01.030 Lizzie Gimblett: But the way we do this is it's sort of packaged up as an enterprise project, and if you try and teach enterprise to the whole breadth of a primary school, it holds the more 131 00:16:01.663 --> 00:16:22.669 Lizzie Gimblett: the older children back, so we say, for the enterprise training. Just train the older children, but if the younger ones want to get involved they can color in posted. They can hand out leaflets. They can do, you know, whatever activity and and there are lots of activities they can get involved in, but just not to be involved in what's effectively setting up their business. 132 00:16:22.920 --> 00:16:23.630 Lizzie Gimblett: So 133 00:16:24.370 --> 00:16:32.408 Lizzie Gimblett: so our mission, it's it's actually the children at the moment are receiving an awful lot of education about 134 00:16:33.180 --> 00:16:52.790 Lizzie Gimblett: climate change as a concept. And some of them it's going straight over their head. And some of them are getting very worried about it. And so what we're doing is giving them something, a practical response really, to all of this information. And I think everyone feels better when they're doing something, so they're able to set up a refill shot. 135 00:16:53.020 --> 00:17:17.969 Lizzie Gimblett: And the the kind of key points are we're reducing waste what the children probably don't quite grasp. But we're actually reducing carbon, because the carbon that goes into extracting and manufacturing plastic and then disposing of it as well. Certainly in London. A lot of the so called recycling ends up being burnt. So there is a carbon impact. And then, of course, there's a biodiversity impact, which is the thing that the children 136 00:17:17.970 --> 00:17:24.310 Lizzie Gimblett: children think about. They think about the turtles, and just the fact that they know plastic is in everything. 137 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:27.819 Lizzie Gimblett: And so it gives them a practical response to that. 138 00:17:28.410 --> 00:17:49.940 Lizzie Gimblett: So you know, the the reasons for doing it are very obvious, but the one that I think is maybe slightly unexpected. Is just how big of a driver conveniences. The products that we sell are much more affordable. I'll come onto that. But by putting refilling on the school run. Everyone sees it 139 00:17:49.980 --> 00:17:59.300 Lizzie Gimblett: and they can, and they hear about it from the marketing. But it's also incredibly easy to travel to your nearest refill shop. 140 00:17:59.630 --> 00:18:08.609 Lizzie Gimblett: For a busy primary school parent is is quite a big ask, actually and then, of course, they've got the shop overheads, and it's not. We're not 141 00:18:09.230 --> 00:18:25.120 Lizzie Gimblett: providing the same range of products that refill shop stock, because schools are busy places teaching lots of things. We have a capsule collection. So I hope that what we're doing is engaging people in reuse. But actually. 142 00:18:25.420 --> 00:18:39.229 Lizzie Gimblett: it's not seeking to replace the High Street refill shops. But my own personal belief is they do a wonderful job. There are very few of them, and some of them are very expensive. So you know, together, we kind of 143 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:46.220 Lizzie Gimblett: hopefully can create that elusive silver bullet which is trying to encourage people to 144 00:18:46.440 --> 00:19:12.379 Lizzie Gimblett: treat stuff differently, keep it for longer. Use it more so the training that I mentioned. What the children do in the training is. They write their own business plan. They apply for job roles. They assess their skill levels, and then they'll go on to grow those skills. And of course, in a refill shop, those become green skills and they operate the business. And you know, that's where? 145 00:19:12.860 --> 00:19:23.169 Lizzie Gimblett: they realize that customer service is important. They must be plight. They must work together as a team. They must check money. Or check what's on the card, reader. 146 00:19:23.826 --> 00:19:48.429 Lizzie Gimblett: So there's there's lots of really valuable learning in that and then this, the products are environmentally kind. And what that means, you know. Ek friendly, what does it mean? It's a sort of marketing phrase, but it means in this instance that they've got no harsh chemical. So no sls or parabens. They're cruelty free. They're Vegan. They're made in the Uk. They're closed loop. 147 00:19:48.430 --> 00:19:56.000 Lizzie Gimblett: which simply means the bulk containers when they're empty, go from the school back to the manufacturer. So these children who are 148 00:19:56.100 --> 00:20:16.995 Lizzie Gimblett: selling refills to parents are seeing reuse within the home, but they're also seeing it within a business environment which I think is really important. And then with each new year the children hand onto a new group of a new cohort of pupils and schools will manage that. 149 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:42.949 Lizzie Gimblett: so the training? It's a sort of from September. It's going from being just physical training resources to a cartoon which we'll come to at the end. And what you see here is some children working through their business plan, and then there's just a lovely little excerpt from an application form where a year 4 child says, I want to be part of the business team, because in the future. I want the world to be a better place, and that's capturing it from 150 00:20:42.950 --> 00:21:08.488 Lizzie Gimblett: how the children feel about what they're doing. And so so I love that. So this is what refill shops look like in practice. There's lots of pumping. Occasionally customers get squirted. Sometimes the team squirt themselves, but we try to encourage them to put the neck of the bottle over the pump and to give it a nice full pump and they refill hand wash body wash hair, laundry, etc. 151 00:21:09.150 --> 00:21:32.633 Lizzie Gimblett: And what parents say we've never done refills before. This makes it so easy just having the option to refill is lovely. It's not something I would consider before. So there's lots of great reasons that come back from our surveys that support, that this is convenient and actually the affordability barrier doesn't present it does in a very, very small way. 152 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:44.380 Lizzie Gimblett: where people are in where councils work with us in schools in very high levels of deprivation. They can go in and subsidize product if if they wish to. 153 00:21:46.880 --> 00:22:05.480 Lizzie Gimblett: So what you've got here is children running the refill shops just on the right hand side. You can see we've actually even got a special educational school in Greater Manchester who set up a pop up shop in a local. It's it's called the Stratford Mall 154 00:22:05.820 --> 00:22:32.049 Lizzie Gimblett: and the sem children there run that, to the great delight of the customer. You can see in his shorts refilling. And and again, you know, customers are just delighted to find refill as something that's available. So that's that's what's happening there. We have a lot of feedback from school saying Ofsted came along. We had ofsted going shopping the other day. I don't know if they actually bought, but they left there 155 00:22:32.050 --> 00:22:46.809 Lizzie Gimblett: ivory tower and I'm not sure it is an ivory tower, but anyway, they they went to the shop and were very participative. And the refill shop does align to their personal development grade. The fact that the children are 156 00:22:46.820 --> 00:22:55.509 Lizzie Gimblett: looking at their skills in relation to the wider world and applying for job roles. And it also aligns to the department for education, climate action plans. 157 00:22:56.300 --> 00:23:09.489 Lizzie Gimblett: So our prices. The products that they sell. They sell at very, very low margin because we want them to be accessible to as many people as possible. So that's starting for 500 milliliters say 158 00:23:09.600 --> 00:23:25.520 Lizzie Gimblett: fabric conditioner is one pounds 50 up to 2 pounds 75 for body wash. So quite reasonable prices. They're not the same as the discount retailers, but they are environmentally responsible. So it's a great price for environmentally responsible products. And 159 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:36.769 Lizzie Gimblett: you know, if people can possibly afford to do it. Then it's a wonderful thing for them to engage in, because together we are having an impact on waste and behavior. 160 00:23:37.220 --> 00:23:51.172 Lizzie Gimblett: So so that's just the cost of the enterprise. Training. Is 435 pounds for a year, and then children will set out needing to buy about 200 pounds worth of products. 161 00:23:51.550 --> 00:24:15.039 Lizzie Gimblett: key outcomes. It's action as well as words. And that from my perspective, you know, there's there's always a huge. So what about something? So what are we doing? What are we changing? What's better? And this gives them the capacity to make change, which I think is phenomenal and you know you may or may not have a refill shop near you. I did a launch the other day in Hammersmith and Fulham. 162 00:24:15.040 --> 00:24:25.990 Lizzie Gimblett: and I said, oh, this will be the 1st school in Hammersmith and Fulham, and the gentleman from the Council. Had a bit of a chat, and he said, I think this is the only refill shop in Hammersmith and Fulham. 163 00:24:26.520 --> 00:24:52.369 Lizzie Gimblett: which is huge, you know, to have a group of 1011 year olds running a refill shop. That is the only one in Hammersmith and Fulham, and they're doing phenomenally this young people's voice. It gives these people who will be, you know, at least in their thirties. By the time we get to net 0 2050 they will have seen refilling happening within this sort of home environment, but also within a business environment. 164 00:24:53.022 --> 00:25:13.299 Lizzie Gimblett: circularity and action and skills development. So I'm just gonna keep going. So the indicators of behavior change which we saw in some of those quotes people hadn't refilled before, and they they are refilling now an active plastic waste reduction and a development of transferable workplace skills 165 00:25:14.155 --> 00:25:14.630 Lizzie Gimblett: which. 166 00:25:14.630 --> 00:25:15.970 Garry Ford: Musician. 167 00:25:16.769 --> 00:25:31.580 Lizzie Gimblett: Is is really important. And we, we are aligned to the skills, build a partnership. And their research shows the people who are confident in using their skills, achieve a wage premium when they leave school. So 168 00:25:32.095 --> 00:25:50.960 Lizzie Gimblett: that's that's really excellent. Just you know how we're being received by organizations. One of our refill shops is shown on the World Economic Forum World Wildlife Fund UN Environment program, reuse portal, which is great Eco schools you may have heard of. They work with schools across the country. 169 00:25:51.060 --> 00:26:19.760 Lizzie Gimblett: trying to encourage schools to do more green activities and what we do is aligns to their waste topic. They're very supportive. There's a wonderful organization called Let's Go 0, who again are very supportive. And then we work with a number of councils and we worked originally with the gla. So and it's through that original grant that they gave us that we were able to create our 1st pilot and and actually show that 170 00:26:19.780 --> 00:26:21.226 Lizzie Gimblett: this can 171 00:26:22.790 --> 00:26:44.830 Lizzie Gimblett: create change, create positive change. That's talking about school staff. So I'll just skip to the end, and say that my view is in action is inadequate. Where we are. We've all got to try harder, do better. It's hard, and you know this, to my mind, is so simple to reduce plastic. 172 00:26:44.830 --> 00:27:07.660 Lizzie Gimblett: which is the most visible really of the pollutants to our planet, to reduce that where we can is something that we should should all be trying to do and really, is there any joy in owning a brand new shampoo bottle? I would argue, no, but you know we kind of come through this time when new is better, more is better. So so that's 173 00:27:08.050 --> 00:27:18.760 Lizzie Gimblett: anyway in a nutshell. The the Refill Shop project. I'm going to unshare now and ask Graham if you could just play the cartoon animation. 174 00:27:18.760 --> 00:27:40.569 Lizzie Gimblett: The cartoon animation is our new way of working from September. And what that will do is give children more autonomy. So instead of filling in order forms, now they'll be completing them on on the platform. They'll still be using the physical resources that we've we've got which I think is important from from an active learning point of view. 175 00:27:41.380 --> 00:28:02.030 Lizzie Gimblett: but actually this will also mean that teachers don't have to spend time preparing to deliver the training. They're able to just press, play, or press pause, and and then the children will engage if you click on, find out more, and then we should go through to, and then on the middle of the video. That's that's the one. 176 00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:03.490 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes. 177 00:28:07.570 --> 00:28:12.860 Lizzie Gimblett: Have you considered a child led refill shop to make your school more sustainable? 178 00:28:13.170 --> 00:28:19.020 Lizzie Gimblett: But letting the children plan and operate. A refill shop has so many benefits. 179 00:28:19.040 --> 00:28:20.699 Lizzie Gimblett: Everyone gets involved 180 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.119 Lizzie Gimblett: love, the convenience of the shop. 181 00:28:23.140 --> 00:28:25.740 Lizzie Gimblett: and the affordably priced eco products. 182 00:28:25.950 --> 00:28:38.099 Lizzie Gimblett: The children benefit by learning to use weights, measures, and maths in abundance. They'll get very creative with their marketing and become confident in problem, solving and working with people they don't know. 183 00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:42.969 Lizzie Gimblett: They'll follow step by step. Explainer videos. Hi, Beck. 184 00:28:43.060 --> 00:28:55.069 Lizzie Gimblett: welcome to your Ecoreadal shop. We've set up a shop before, so we're here to guide you. It's really important to reduce our plastic waste, because plastic pollutes for sea and the land. 185 00:28:55.390 --> 00:29:12.600 Lizzie Gimblett: Every bottle refilled is a container saved from waste forever, and go on to apply for jobs. Let's talk about being directors. Let's think about what the skills really mean and even place orders for their Eco products using their online stock control system. 186 00:29:12.950 --> 00:29:18.299 Lizzie Gimblett: Being a buying manager means you place orders so the products your shop will sell. 187 00:29:18.510 --> 00:29:24.090 Lizzie Gimblett: Don't worry. You've got full sign off on their stock orders. So we've got you covered. 188 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:37.670 Lizzie Gimblett: We build green skills in our Eco refill shop. We reduce plastic wastes to help the natural world, and we help everyone in our school community to do more for the environment. 189 00:29:38.070 --> 00:29:43.010 Lizzie Gimblett: Please join us. We can't wait to get you started bye, for now. 190 00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:52.925 Lizzie Gimblett: So that's fine, Brian. Thank you very much. You can just 191 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:59.770 Lizzie Gimblett: shut that down so. That's really what I wanted to show you. I think, more than anything. It's the 192 00:30:00.090 --> 00:30:04.009 Lizzie Gimblett: importance of engaging children in their future. 193 00:30:04.070 --> 00:30:08.220 Lizzie Gimblett: And actually, children just have so much to give. 194 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:14.999 Lizzie Gimblett: And I think particularly key stage 2 are massively underestimated, and when told that 195 00:30:15.150 --> 00:30:36.881 Lizzie Gimblett: the business is theirs and they can get going with it. They sit up and teachers talk about the fact that children surprise them. Children haven't engaged so well in perhaps more classical style. Learning really get stuck in so it's it's fantastic in in that area as well. But anyway, I'm going to 196 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.720 Lizzie Gimblett: Open up the floor to questions. 197 00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:40.910 Lizzie Gimblett: Wendy. 198 00:30:41.360 --> 00:30:46.940 Wendy Thomson: I honestly this, I was so pleased to see this on the agenda. 199 00:30:47.420 --> 00:30:51.039 Wendy Thomson: can we go into more practicality? So from 200 00:30:51.100 --> 00:30:54.479 Wendy Thomson: the initial setting up, and that looks absolutely amazing. But 201 00:30:54.680 --> 00:31:07.169 Wendy Thomson: the shops I'm assuming are open sort of after school hours at the pickups or time. And then do they have an adult there supervising them? Or do they actually run it completely by themselves? 202 00:31:07.170 --> 00:31:09.492 Lizzie Gimblett: Oh, there's there's always an adult. 203 00:31:10.130 --> 00:31:22.000 Lizzie Gimblett: I I think it's important that the adult is there, because just occasionally you might get a tricky customer. So there is a staff supervisor that is the person that they will go to. 204 00:31:22.432 --> 00:31:49.529 Lizzie Gimblett: If they need to. The ethos is don't come to us with problems come to us with solutions. And so you know whose businesses? Oh, it's ours. So what do you think the solution might be? And that's where the learning is. You know, there isn't a a cut and dry 2 plus 2 equals. 4 answer to everything. But actually, what do you think might work. Let's try that. And and so that's that's the role of the adult. Is. 205 00:31:49.530 --> 00:31:53.069 Wendy Thomson: On that adult. Have you found that? 206 00:31:53.740 --> 00:31:58.390 Wendy Thomson: Is there a mixture of a volunteer teacher or volunteer parent? 207 00:31:59.110 --> 00:32:06.220 Lizzie Gimblett: Normally it's a member of staff, but we do. We do have schools where it's a member of the Pta. 208 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:17.010 Lizzie Gimblett: and you know what's been brilliant. There is. They brought their second hand uniform alongside, and then they set up second hand book and secondhand toys. And you know it's it's it's fantastic. So I think with schools 209 00:32:17.170 --> 00:32:42.097 Lizzie Gimblett: it's possible to do either. Certainly the training falls within the classic school day. But in terms of actually having an adult with the children later, and and they open. They normally open once a month. Some schools open once every 2 weeks, some schools open once a week. But most schools open once a month, because, you know you don't use up your washing up. Flick with that quickly. 210 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:52.890 Lizzie Gimblett: So having a member of the Pta there is is is a really nice option. It's it's up to the school. What would work best for them. 211 00:32:53.470 --> 00:32:53.890 Wendy Thomson: And what. 212 00:32:53.890 --> 00:32:55.140 Neal Whipp: So how will they. 213 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:55.840 Wendy Thomson: Sorry. 214 00:32:55.840 --> 00:32:56.440 Neal Whipp: Sorry. Go on. 215 00:32:56.738 --> 00:33:00.910 Wendy Thomson: Just like it was just on. Is it only one provider of the products. 216 00:33:01.924 --> 00:33:07.029 Lizzie Gimblett: We work with a couple of providers. What we found, is it it? Certainly. 217 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.679 Lizzie Gimblett: you know there are so many things that you could add in and 218 00:33:11.690 --> 00:33:33.270 Lizzie Gimblett: with every add in it adds complexity from the schools perspective. So we work with a range of affordable products that cover off what? You know some manufacturers do, some of them, but not all of them. So we're just trying to keep it as simple and affordable, inclusive as possible for as many 219 00:33:33.290 --> 00:33:34.969 Lizzie Gimblett: people as possible. 220 00:33:36.780 --> 00:33:42.619 Neal Whipp: So how much time, teacher, time is likely to be involved? That's the question that's going to be asked, because the 221 00:33:42.830 --> 00:33:48.969 Neal Whipp: curriculum is very full. The teachers are terribly busy. How are they going to fit it in? And where in the curriculum does it fit. 222 00:33:49.420 --> 00:34:05.460 Lizzie Gimblett: Yeah, no, that's that's a great question. So we've done some work with Essex County Council, actually. And they squarely fitted it into maths and you know. So we've been participating in Essex year of numbers. And obviously you've got weights and volumes. Money 223 00:34:06.060 --> 00:34:10.198 Lizzie Gimblett: estimating all of those sorts of things. 224 00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:21.900 Lizzie Gimblett: it it it can fit in many places. It probably doesn't have a a single home. Maths math works, I think if they use the Eco team they tend to meet at lunchtime 225 00:34:21.909 --> 00:34:30.939 Lizzie Gimblett: and work through the training at their lunchtime meeting. And it's through that experience that we've developed the cartoons because the cartoons should 226 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:41.500 Lizzie Gimblett: grab the children's attention more quickly. It means the teacher doesn't have to prepare, whereas at the moment the teacher is preparing and then presenting the training to the children. 227 00:34:41.620 --> 00:34:48.270 Lizzie Gimblett: and then, you know, they go away next week. Come back. It's all very rushed. The cartoons. They can go through again and again. 228 00:34:48.570 --> 00:35:12.319 Lizzie Gimblett: What does work brilliantly is. If there's a year group, and then they can sew and weave this into the topics that they're covering. So, for example, English, they'll do some persuasive writing. Well, they can do persuasive writing around the refill shop. There's all sorts of creativity that you can bring in. They do things like logos and posters, and that sort of thing can be 229 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:28.290 Lizzie Gimblett: done around the refill shop, and they certainly use it in maths. So again, you know, their math topics can come around the stock ordering stock control. So it's it's got many homes, but that there isn't a sort of enterprise. 230 00:35:28.460 --> 00:35:38.789 Lizzie Gimblett: slot, if you like, in the classic curriculum. But where it is recognized is under the personal development grade. And that's that's what we find ofsted 231 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:46.260 Lizzie Gimblett: comment on it, bringing learning to life that kind of thing. It doesn't go unrecognized. 232 00:35:46.560 --> 00:36:05.089 Lizzie Gimblett: So I would love there to be a a sort of a specific curriculum time. That aligned to this, that that doesn't exist. But with a little bit of creativity, it's it's absolutely findable. And going forward. The Department for Education are asking schools from 2025 to have a climate action plan. 233 00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:17.549 Lizzie Gimblett: and there are 4 pillars to that climate action plan. So supporting green skills development supporting biodiversity and cutting carbon are 3 of those pillars. 234 00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:30.679 Lizzie Gimblett: and this initiative allows you to do. Certainly cut cutting carbon across the entire school community supporting biodiversity. You know, the children will engage in that, and the children running the team 235 00:36:30.680 --> 00:36:38.739 Lizzie Gimblett: building green skills. And, as I say, the team can be handed on to a new cohort each year. So then, that will filter through the school. 236 00:36:40.460 --> 00:36:42.930 Wendy Thomson: Just to add on to that, Lizzy, so 237 00:36:43.010 --> 00:36:59.269 Wendy Thomson: did I hear it right, or does it depend on the school? Is it taught to give some realism to any of those maths or English. What is it taught the whole of the school year, or just the children involved in in running the shop. 238 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:14.833 Lizzie Gimblett: Another great question. It it, you know we don't prescribe that. So what you could do with a a whole school year is you could do the teaching for the whole school year. But then the job role application could be 239 00:37:15.580 --> 00:37:42.971 Lizzie Gimblett: not everyone will want to get involved, not everyone will be able to get involved. And and so then, you know, they will apply for jobs if they want to. So you know, if in maths you're talking about weights and volumes. There's no reason you can't use something that they readily identify with in their playground for that lesson. It. It kind of comes back to how the teacher wants to teach that topic. Likewise persuasive writing. 240 00:37:43.530 --> 00:38:07.880 Lizzie Gimblett: they can. They can. They can play the videos to the whole school assembly if they want to. But it. It just is how they're going to use them. They get enough resources in the training for 20 children. So that's that's what it's targeted at. And those 20 children up to 20 children will operate the shop. If they wanted to do more they would just need to have a conversation, but that's that's the sort of 241 00:38:08.276 --> 00:38:16.590 Lizzie Gimblett: one size fits all approach. And then if if somebody doesn't want to use that size. Then. You know, just get in touch and have a conversation. 242 00:38:18.720 --> 00:38:20.270 Lizzie Gimblett: Sorry? You 243 00:38:20.620 --> 00:38:21.620 Lizzie Gimblett: good one. 244 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:28.450 Neal Whipp: I made reference earlier on there was a training cost of 450 pounds or something. Do I remember that. 245 00:38:28.450 --> 00:38:37.870 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, it's 435 pounds plus that. So that's that's the cost for access to the platform and all of the resources. So. 246 00:38:38.180 --> 00:38:39.060 Lizzie Gimblett: Adam. 247 00:38:39.770 --> 00:38:45.729 Lizzie Gimblett: unfortunately, we've had to fund the web development ourselves, and you know it it 248 00:38:45.970 --> 00:38:50.281 Lizzie Gimblett: sadly. It is a it's a cost. 249 00:38:51.660 --> 00:39:14.341 Wendy Thomson: That is, that seems very reasonable to me, and and I think Town Council should be able to afford something like that, because we're asking for. We're we get requests for grants. You know that sort of sum up to 1,000 up to 2,000. And I I really think certainly where I am staying as Gloucestershire. We've got money that we could fund that for. 250 00:39:14.680 --> 00:39:27.749 Amanda Davis: I don't think you can, Wendy. Sorry to interrupt you, but this is now me with my clock hat on. Because it comes as part of a statutory body. That is not the Council. It will be ultra virus to spend money on. 251 00:39:27.750 --> 00:39:36.610 Wendy Thomson: Yeah, I I believe we could. If if under, because we've got what's the term? I forgotten the term now, power of competence. 252 00:39:36.610 --> 00:39:37.070 Amanda Davis: Doesn't. 253 00:39:37.070 --> 00:39:38.220 Wendy Thomson: Yeah, involved. 254 00:39:38.630 --> 00:39:45.719 Amanda Davis: No sorry. I really challenge that one. Check it out with Gptc. By all means. 255 00:39:45.760 --> 00:40:03.139 Amanda Davis: But, I don't think that you can, even with power competence. If it's something that's being led by. The parent teacher sort of association or something as an add on. And it's not seen as part of the school curriculum, you may just be able to get away with it. 256 00:40:03.140 --> 00:40:07.689 Wendy Thomson: It's not part of the school curriculum, is it? We just discussed that it's. 257 00:40:07.690 --> 00:40:08.510 Amanda Davis: Well, it just. 258 00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:11.049 Wendy Thomson: Choice by the schools if they want to get involved. 259 00:40:11.050 --> 00:40:16.480 Amanda Davis: It's still delivering the curriculum, though. But anyway, let's let's let's look into it. 260 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.840 Wendy Thomson: I got to disagree with that I would challenge it. But shall I. 261 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:33.129 Lizzie Gimblett: I just mentioned to to to Muddy the waters. Certainly we work with lots of councils and sometimes they find money from the waste budget. Sometimes they find some money in the education budget, so I don't understand. 262 00:40:33.130 --> 00:40:33.450 Amanda Davis: About to. 263 00:40:33.450 --> 00:40:33.790 Lizzie Gimblett: But I. 264 00:40:33.790 --> 00:40:40.540 Amanda Davis: County Council. Yeah. County Council is not a problem. It's parish and town council monies that are not allowed to be used to focus. 265 00:40:40.540 --> 00:40:46.629 Wendy Thomson: Yeah, yeah, fine. We. We can always go through the tap the County Council and see what they can do. Yeah. 266 00:40:46.630 --> 00:40:49.020 Amanda Davis: There are ways around it absolutely. I don't mean to. 267 00:40:49.020 --> 00:40:49.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: To be a. 268 00:40:49.530 --> 00:40:50.220 Amanda Davis: Through at all. 269 00:40:50.220 --> 00:40:55.340 Wendy Thomson: No, no, no, that's fine. I'm just saying. All I'm thinking is that the school doesn't have to 270 00:40:55.460 --> 00:40:59.209 Wendy Thomson: fund get, you know. Fund it necessarily. 271 00:40:59.210 --> 00:41:00.609 Amanda Davis: Use my hand up. 272 00:41:00.610 --> 00:41:01.370 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes. Sorry. 273 00:41:01.750 --> 00:41:13.629 Amanda Davis: I didn't mind to. I'm this speaks to me in so many different ways. So to use the Alan sugar apprentice model. 274 00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:15.759 Amanda Davis: Lizzy. Thank you. You're hired. 275 00:41:16.299 --> 00:41:17.039 Lizzie Gimblett: Thank you! 276 00:41:17.544 --> 00:41:21.579 Amanda Davis: I'm a parish councillor. I'm a maths teacher 277 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.600 Amanda Davis: and have been a school leader 278 00:41:24.660 --> 00:41:30.040 Amanda Davis: and a variety of other things, including eco sort of championing. 279 00:41:30.250 --> 00:41:34.009

Banter 21: Child-led,Eco-refill workshops, 29May24, Lizzie Gimblett

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