Lizzie introduces us to the PupilProfit facility, in which children set up a refill shop at their school, and are introduced to Climate and Environmental Change without fear
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Gary, Amanda Tracy Merlin win the other than you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: farm.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good morning, Lizzy.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Morning. Graham, how are you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I am in great shape. We've got the sunshine out. We're all ready for a bright session.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Fabulous. No, it's nice to see the sun, isn't it? Goodness me.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, yes,
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was reading somewhere that we've had
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: a beautiful day in Dorset.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: and 29 miles away in Yoga, and it was the wettest day they've ever had.
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Lizzie Gimblett: No. Gosh, it's really yeah, no, it's awful. I was looking at the lawn, thinking, Why is it yellow? There's been so much rain, and then I went, looked at it, and apparently too much rain causes the lawn to go yellow, which.
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Lizzie Gimblett: yeah, anyway.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Sign of the times, unfortunately. But anyway.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It all depends on the sort of grass you have. When I there was living in Somerset we were on the Somerset levels, which are very prone to flooding.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: and the grass there seems to thrive on being under under 10 feet of water has no problem at all.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is why there are so many cows in Somerset.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, no, indeed. Oh, well, I am going to be investigating, I think lawn seed because I did the No Mo. May. And then, when it was beautiful at the weekend, I thought, Oh, I'm actually going to mow that end, and some it is very yellow.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright! Alright!
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Lizzie Gimblett: Anyway.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Morning, Stuart.
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Stuart Withington: Good morning!
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Lizzie Gimblett: Morning, Stuart. Nice to meet you.
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Stuart Withington: Hi! Nice to meet you, too.
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Stuart Withington: Are you our guest? Speaker?
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Lizzie Gimblett: I am, I am so looking forward to it.
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Stuart Withington: Excellent, so am I.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now we can just thrash out the details, is he? You're gonna start off by showing things from your screen.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And when you get to the cartoon you want me to show it.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, if that would be Ok, that.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, yeah, that's fine. What you need to remember. You'll need to unshare your screen before I can share mine.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, okay. And I think, do you need to share? Oh, I see. I click, share screen, don't. I'm not very good at these things. And then, yes, okay, that's fine. Yes, I've just got a Powerpoint, which I'll I'll sort of jump through, really, because it summarizes everything nicely, but I think people will be much more interested in chatting at the end rather than.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But yes.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Looking at slides.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: i i i missed a trick in the invitation. I should have asked them to bring all children and grandchildren along with them.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, that'd be.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Lovely to have some input from the children absolutely.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That was a big mistake. I'm sorry about that.
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Lizzie Gimblett: No, no, I'm sure I'm I'm.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We can make an announcement that anyone that's got children with them can go and get them.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Bring them in.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it's interesting, although you, your forecast, that we might be low on numbers because of half term, seems to be quite accurate. What we've got is a very new bunch of people. What's the 1st timers here?
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Lizzie Gimblett: They're wonderful.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, so you're winning both ways.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Hey? Very
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Lizzie Gimblett: very very interesting. Morning, Neil.
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Neal Whipp: Morning. I'm trying to get rid of me. It's in the way.
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Neal Whipp: No, that would amazingly.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We we could do with a little bit more of your hair and a bit less of your ceiling, otherwise
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: are you with a laptop, Neil.
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Neal Whipp: Yes.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You need to tilt the screen a little bit towards you.
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Neal Whipp: Alright. I'm trying to at the moment. I can't see anybody
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, okay, well, we. We rest assured that we can receive.
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Neal Whipp: Gosh!
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: From the nose upwards.
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Neal Whipp: Let's get rid of that
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Neal Whipp: into my password. Now, I've no idea what my password is
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Neal Whipp: over this.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sit, no.
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Wendy Thomson: That's it. That's it. Regardless. So I think this is gonna have more of an impact on those owners that are swinging voters.
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Neal Whipp: Right.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So just in case you're getting nervous busy, we've got one person who is
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think, politically bound to be late. It's just a stated requirement and a job description. So.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Marvellous.
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Lizzie Gimblett: I'm not very happy just just to wait, but it's always
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Lizzie Gimblett: I always feel bad for the people that are there 1st if you start and then stop and then go back again. So very nice to have you there, Neil.
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Neal Whipp: Good.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Your your full face, now.
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Neal Whipp: Yeah.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, yes.
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Neal Whipp: Door, and wardrobes.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, and you're seeing us.
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Neal Whipp: Yes, I can see 3 of you perfect.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Well, you should see Stewart now, and Jackie is just about to join us from a very, very
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: weird background. You are a railway train. No.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Beautiful background.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, look at that.
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Wendy Thomson: They were saying, really nice
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Wendy Thomson: Tuesday should be good.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Say good morning to Wendy. Good morning to you.
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Lizzie Gimblett: I mean.
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Wendy Thomson: I am, and my little foster dog, Piper.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yeah, light.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We were just saying earlier, I I missed a big trick by not suggesting that anyone who's got children around would be very welcome to bring them into this session. So
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: if you need to go and call on grandchildren or children, now is the time.
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Wendy Thomson: Sadly, not yet.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, well, never mind.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Happy to have the dog, though
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Lizzie Gimblett: mine may he. He may decide to join us, but I'm I'm hoping he won't.
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Lizzie Gimblett: He he can be quite active. He had a back surgery about a month ago, and as he's progressively got better and better, he's become more participative in meetings, and he makes his views quite strongly known. But.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Keep fingers crossed.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Your dad? Dab footed with the keyboard.
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Lizzie Gimblett: He's not allowed anywhere near it. But still he's he's part poodle, and then poodle seem to be quite clever at making their views quite clear. So
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Lizzie Gimblett: shall I make a start, Graham? Or do you want to wait.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, I think we'll give them a couple of more minutes. Traditionally we give them 5 min.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we can. So I make rude remarks about, I'm able to say good morning to all those people who showed up on time and good afternoon to all those who didn't.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So so
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: so I'll just say hello to Jackie and to Amanda. Good day to you.
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Amanda Davis: They live.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Move in.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And Gary, okay, I think we're sort of where we need to be.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So thanks, Gary.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: so let us go ahead and say, thank you all very much for showing up today. We've got Lizzie giving us a much more unusual presentation, I think, than we used to so I'm looking forward to this.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if you'd like to go ahead, please. Lizzie, it's all yours.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Wonderful. Well, I'm going to talk to you today about the child led enterprises that we offer at pupil's profit. So I set people's profit up
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Lizzie Gimblett: a little over a decade ago.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and until 2019 I was working with schools setting up healthy tuck shops. So the old fashioned tuck shop idea with the twist that actually it's healthy, and children were given an opportunity to. Take the reins on healthy eating, and I think a lot of
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Lizzie Gimblett: education involves telling children what the right thing to do is, and hoping they'll do it, and actually setting them free with a range of snacks that are healthy and letting them sell them to each other is enormous fun, and they get a lot out of it. And
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Lizzie Gimblett: it's it's always been a really exciting thing to be a part of so shortly before lockdown.
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Lizzie Gimblett: I have the idea that the re the tuck shop could be transformed into a refill shop.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and this you know, I grew up in a little village, and I used to take
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Lizzie Gimblett: cherry aid bottles back to the newsagents, and they were very kind, and they'd give you a
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Lizzie Gimblett: 20 p. Back for them or something, and you give them back, and they've reused them, and I never forgot that, and my daughter used to dance at Ballet School, which was right next to a refill shop actually.
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Lizzie Gimblett: more recently, and I used to get at a ballet with bun as perfect as could be, and you know shoes in bag, etc. And would forget my refill containers for the refill shop.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and when I did eventually manage to remember the refill containers, I refilled
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Lizzie Gimblett: a container with body wash, and I was told it was 14 pounds, and I thought, crumbs, that's a lot of money for body wash. Happy to do it this once just about. But you know this doesn't feel like a match.
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Lizzie Gimblett: And so, anyway, the the idea of adapting the tuck shop or keeping the tuck shop, but then developing a tuck shop mark 2 which reduces plastic waste and allows the children more importantly to be involved. Was born, and then lockdown happened, and so I had plenty of time, with no work
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Lizzie Gimblett: to develop it as an idea, and was lucky enough to get some funding from the gla.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So this is all the backstory. But out of that we have 80 schools working with refill shops. So there are 80 teams of children selling refills to parents and carers and staff and reducing plastic waste. So I'm just going to do a little, very
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Lizzie Gimblett: light touch death by Powerpoint, and if at any point you want to ask a question, please just unmute and jump in.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and then I think we'll watch a brief cartoon, because that's that's
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Lizzie Gimblett: going from where we're at to where we're going to be in September, which, I think is an exciting development, and then then I think we can have a sort of more open chat about how we work with schools and what the benefits really are, and you know your your take on it. So I'll share screen now and.
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Neal Whipp: Can I just ask.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, what?
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Neal Whipp: Age group are the children that you're dealing with.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Oh, brilliant question! So they are. Aged about 9, to about 14. So it's key stage 2 in primary school, Neil, and then in secondary school. It varies. It's very often key stage 3. But then some of Key Stage 4 want to get involved, and of course they can. And of course, the younger children, if they do want to get involved, no one wants to turn them away.
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Lizzie Gimblett: But the way we do this is it's sort of packaged up as an enterprise project, and if you try and teach enterprise to the whole breadth of a primary school, it holds the more
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Lizzie Gimblett: the older children back, so we say, for the enterprise training. Just train the older children, but if the younger ones want to get involved they can color in posted. They can hand out leaflets. They can do, you know, whatever activity and and there are lots of activities they can get involved in, but just not to be involved in what's effectively setting up their business.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So
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Lizzie Gimblett: so our mission, it's it's actually the children at the moment are receiving an awful lot of education about
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Lizzie Gimblett: climate change as a concept. And some of them it's going straight over their head. And some of them are getting very worried about it. And so what we're doing is giving them something, a practical response really, to all of this information. And I think everyone feels better when they're doing something, so they're able to set up a refill shot.
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Lizzie Gimblett: And the the kind of key points are we're reducing waste what the children probably don't quite grasp. But we're actually reducing carbon, because the carbon that goes into extracting and manufacturing plastic and then disposing of it as well. Certainly in London. A lot of the so called recycling ends up being burnt. So there is a carbon impact. And then, of course, there's a biodiversity impact, which is the thing that the children
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Lizzie Gimblett: children think about. They think about the turtles, and just the fact that they know plastic is in everything.
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Lizzie Gimblett: And so it gives them a practical response to that.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So you know, the the reasons for doing it are very obvious, but the one that I think is maybe slightly unexpected. Is just how big of a driver conveniences. The products that we sell are much more affordable. I'll come onto that. But by putting refilling on the school run. Everyone sees it
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Lizzie Gimblett: and they can, and they hear about it from the marketing. But it's also incredibly easy to travel to your nearest refill shop.
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Lizzie Gimblett: For a busy primary school parent is is quite a big ask, actually and then, of course, they've got the shop overheads, and it's not. We're not
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Lizzie Gimblett: providing the same range of products that refill shop stock, because schools are busy places teaching lots of things. We have a capsule collection. So I hope that what we're doing is engaging people in reuse. But actually.
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Lizzie Gimblett: it's not seeking to replace the High Street refill shops. But my own personal belief is they do a wonderful job. There are very few of them, and some of them are very expensive. So you know, together, we kind of
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Lizzie Gimblett: hopefully can create that elusive silver bullet which is trying to encourage people to
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Lizzie Gimblett: treat stuff differently, keep it for longer. Use it more so the training that I mentioned. What the children do in the training is. They write their own business plan. They apply for job roles. They assess their skill levels, and then they'll go on to grow those skills. And of course, in a refill shop, those become green skills and they operate the business. And you know, that's where?
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Lizzie Gimblett: they realize that customer service is important. They must be plight. They must work together as a team. They must check money. Or check what's on the card, reader.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So there's there's lots of really valuable learning in that and then this, the products are environmentally kind. And what that means, you know. Ek friendly, what does it mean? It's a sort of marketing phrase, but it means in this instance that they've got no harsh chemical. So no sls or parabens. They're cruelty free. They're Vegan. They're made in the Uk. They're closed loop.
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Lizzie Gimblett: which simply means the bulk containers when they're empty, go from the school back to the manufacturer. So these children who are
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Lizzie Gimblett: selling refills to parents are seeing reuse within the home, but they're also seeing it within a business environment which I think is really important. And then with each new year the children hand onto a new group of a new cohort of pupils and schools will manage that.
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Lizzie Gimblett: so the training? It's a sort of from September. It's going from being just physical training resources to a cartoon which we'll come to at the end. And what you see here is some children working through their business plan, and then there's just a lovely little excerpt from an application form where a year 4 child says, I want to be part of the business team, because in the future. I want the world to be a better place, and that's capturing it from
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Lizzie Gimblett: how the children feel about what they're doing. And so so I love that. So this is what refill shops look like in practice. There's lots of pumping. Occasionally customers get squirted. Sometimes the team squirt themselves, but we try to encourage them to put the neck of the bottle over the pump and to give it a nice full pump and they refill hand wash body wash hair, laundry, etc.
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Lizzie Gimblett: And what parents say we've never done refills before. This makes it so easy just having the option to refill is lovely. It's not something I would consider before. So there's lots of great reasons that come back from our surveys that support, that this is convenient and actually the affordability barrier doesn't present it does in a very, very small way.
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Lizzie Gimblett: where people are in where councils work with us in schools in very high levels of deprivation. They can go in and subsidize product if if they wish to.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So what you've got here is children running the refill shops just on the right hand side. You can see we've actually even got a special educational school in Greater Manchester who set up a pop up shop in a local. It's it's called the Stratford Mall
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Lizzie Gimblett: and the sem children there run that, to the great delight of the customer. You can see in his shorts refilling. And and again, you know, customers are just delighted to find refill as something that's available. So that's that's what's happening there. We have a lot of feedback from school saying Ofsted came along. We had ofsted going shopping the other day. I don't know if they actually bought, but they left there
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Lizzie Gimblett: ivory tower and I'm not sure it is an ivory tower, but anyway, they they went to the shop and were very participative. And the refill shop does align to their personal development grade. The fact that the children are
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Lizzie Gimblett: So our prices. The products that they sell. They sell at very, very low margin because we want them to be accessible to as many people as possible. So that's starting for 500 milliliters say
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Lizzie Gimblett: you know, if people can possibly afford to do it. Then it's a wonderful thing for them to engage in, because together we are having an impact on waste and behavior.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So so that's just the cost of the enterprise. Training. Is 435 pounds for a year, and then children will set out needing to buy about 200 pounds worth of products.
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Lizzie Gimblett: key outcomes. It's action as well as words. And that from my perspective, you know, there's there's always a huge. So what about something? So what are we doing? What are we changing? What's better? And this gives them the capacity to make change, which I think is phenomenal and you know you may or may not have a refill shop near you. I did a launch the other day in Hammersmith and Fulham.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and I said, oh, this will be the 1st school in Hammersmith and Fulham, and the gentleman from the Council. Had a bit of a chat, and he said, I think this is the only refill shop in Hammersmith and Fulham.
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Lizzie Gimblett: which is huge, you know, to have a group of 1011 year olds running a refill shop. That is the only one in Hammersmith and Fulham, and they're doing phenomenally this young people's voice. It gives these people who will be, you know, at least in their thirties. By the time we get to net 0 2050 they will have seen refilling happening within this sort of home environment, but also within a business environment.
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Lizzie Gimblett: circularity and action and skills development. So I'm just gonna keep going. So the indicators of behavior change which we saw in some of those quotes people hadn't refilled before, and they they are refilling now an active plastic waste reduction and a development of transferable workplace skills
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Lizzie Gimblett: that's that's really excellent. Just you know how we're being received by organizations. One of our refill shops is shown on the World Economic Forum World Wildlife Fund UN Environment program, reuse portal, which is great Eco schools you may have heard of. They work with schools across the country.
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Lizzie Gimblett: trying to encourage schools to do more green activities and what we do is aligns to their waste topic. They're very supportive. There's a wonderful organization called Let's Go 0, who again are very supportive. And then we work with a number of councils and we worked originally with the gla. So and it's through that original grant that they gave us that we were able to create our 1st pilot and and actually show that
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Lizzie Gimblett: create change, create positive change. That's talking about school staff. So I'll just skip to the end, and say that my view is in action is inadequate. Where we are. We've all got to try harder, do better. It's hard, and you know this, to my mind, is so simple to reduce plastic.
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Lizzie Gimblett: which is the most visible really of the pollutants to our planet, to reduce that where we can is something that we should should all be trying to do and really, is there any joy in owning a brand new shampoo bottle? I would argue, no, but you know we kind of come through this time when new is better, more is better. So so that's
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Lizzie Gimblett: The cartoon animation is our new way of working from September. And what that will do is give children more autonomy. So instead of filling in order forms, now they'll be completing them on on the platform. They'll still be using the physical resources that we've we've got which I think is important from from an active learning point of view.
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Lizzie Gimblett: but actually this will also mean that teachers don't have to spend time preparing to deliver the training. They're able to just press, play, or press pause, and and then the children will engage if you click on, find out more, and then we should go through to, and then on the middle of the video. That's that's the one.
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Lizzie Gimblett: The children benefit by learning to use weights, measures, and maths in abundance. They'll get very creative with their marketing and become confident in problem, solving and working with people they don't know.
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Lizzie Gimblett: They'll follow step by step. Explainer videos. Hi, Beck.
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Lizzie Gimblett: welcome to your Ecoreadal shop. We've set up a shop before, so we're here to guide you. It's really important to reduce our plastic waste, because plastic pollutes for sea and the land.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Every bottle refilled is a container saved from waste forever, and go on to apply for jobs. Let's talk about being directors. Let's think about what the skills really mean and even place orders for their Eco products using their online stock control system.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Being a buying manager means you place orders so the products your shop will sell.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Don't worry. You've got full sign off on their stock orders. So we've got you covered.
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Lizzie Gimblett: We build green skills in our Eco refill shop. We reduce plastic wastes to help the natural world, and we help everyone in our school community to do more for the environment.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Please join us. We can't wait to get you started bye, for now.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So that's fine, Brian. Thank you very much. You can just
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Lizzie Gimblett: Wendy.
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Wendy Thomson: the shops I'm assuming are open sort of after school hours at the pickups or time. And then do they have an adult there supervising them? Or do they actually run it completely by themselves?
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Lizzie Gimblett: I I think it's important that the adult is there, because just occasionally you might get a tricky customer. So there is a staff supervisor that is the person that they will go to.
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Lizzie Gimblett: If they need to. The ethos is don't come to us with problems come to us with solutions. And so you know whose businesses? Oh, it's ours. So what do you think the solution might be? And that's where the learning is. You know, there isn't a a cut and dry 2 plus 2 equals. 4 answer to everything. But actually, what do you think might work. Let's try that. And and so that's that's the role of the adult. Is.
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Wendy Thomson: On that adult. Have you found that?
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Lizzie Gimblett: Normally it's a member of staff, but we do. We do have schools where it's a member of the Pta.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and you know what's been brilliant. There is. They brought their second hand uniform alongside, and then they set up second hand book and secondhand toys. And you know it's it's it's fantastic. So I think with schools
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Lizzie Gimblett: it's possible to do either. Certainly the training falls within the classic school day. But in terms of actually having an adult with the children later, and and they open. They normally open once a month. Some schools open once every 2 weeks, some schools open once a week. But most schools open once a month, because, you know you don't use up your washing up. Flick with that quickly.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So having a member of the Pta there is is is a really nice option. It's it's up to the school. What would work best for them.
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Neal Whipp: So how will they.
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Lizzie Gimblett: with every add in it adds complexity from the schools perspective. So we work with a range of affordable products that cover off what? You know some manufacturers do, some of them, but not all of them. So we're just trying to keep it as simple and affordable, inclusive as possible for as many
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Neal Whipp: curriculum is very full. The teachers are terribly busy. How are they going to fit it in? And where in the curriculum does it fit.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yeah, no, that's that's a great question. So we've done some work with Essex County Council, actually. And they squarely fitted it into maths and you know. So we've been participating in Essex year of numbers. And obviously you've got weights and volumes. Money
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Lizzie Gimblett: and work through the training at their lunchtime meeting. And it's through that experience that we've developed the cartoons because the cartoons should
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Lizzie Gimblett: grab the children's attention more quickly. It means the teacher doesn't have to prepare, whereas at the moment the teacher is preparing and then presenting the training to the children.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and then, you know, they go away next week. Come back. It's all very rushed. The cartoons. They can go through again and again.
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Lizzie Gimblett: What does work brilliantly is. If there's a year group, and then they can sew and weave this into the topics that they're covering. So, for example, English, they'll do some persuasive writing. Well, they can do persuasive writing around the refill shop. There's all sorts of creativity that you can bring in. They do things like logos and posters, and that sort of thing can be
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Lizzie Gimblett: done around the refill shop, and they certainly use it in maths. So again, you know, their math topics can come around the stock ordering stock control. So it's it's got many homes, but that there isn't a sort of enterprise.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So I would love there to be a a sort of a specific curriculum time. That aligned to this, that that doesn't exist. But with a little bit of creativity, it's it's absolutely findable. And going forward. The Department for Education are asking schools from 2025 to have a climate action plan.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and there are 4 pillars to that climate action plan. So supporting green skills development supporting biodiversity and cutting carbon are 3 of those pillars.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and this initiative allows you to do. Certainly cut cutting carbon across the entire school community supporting biodiversity. You know, the children will engage in that, and the children running the team
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Wendy Thomson: did I hear it right, or does it depend on the school? Is it taught to give some realism to any of those maths or English. What is it taught the whole of the school year, or just the children involved in in running the shop.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Another great question. It it, you know we don't prescribe that. So what you could do with a a whole school year is you could do the teaching for the whole school year. But then the job role application could be
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Lizzie Gimblett: not everyone will want to get involved, not everyone will be able to get involved. And and so then, you know, they will apply for jobs if they want to. So you know, if in maths you're talking about weights and volumes. There's no reason you can't use something that they readily identify with in their playground for that lesson. It. It kind of comes back to how the teacher wants to teach that topic. Likewise persuasive writing.
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Lizzie Gimblett: they can. They can. They can play the videos to the whole school assembly if they want to. But it. It just is how they're going to use them. They get enough resources in the training for 20 children. So that's that's what it's targeted at. And those 20 children up to 20 children will operate the shop. If they wanted to do more they would just need to have a conversation, but that's that's the sort of
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Lizzie Gimblett: one size fits all approach. And then if if somebody doesn't want to use that size. Then. You know, just get in touch and have a conversation.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, it's 435 pounds plus that. So that's that's the cost for access to the platform and all of the resources. So.
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Lizzie Gimblett: unfortunately, we've had to fund the web development ourselves, and you know it it
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Lizzie Gimblett: sadly. It is a it's a cost.
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Wendy Thomson: That is, that seems very reasonable to me, and and I think Town Council should be able to afford something like that, because we're asking for. We're we get requests for grants. You know that sort of sum up to 1,000 up to 2,000. And I I really think certainly where I am staying as Gloucestershire. We've got money that we could fund that for.
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Amanda Davis: I don't think you can, Wendy. Sorry to interrupt you, but this is now me with my clock hat on. Because it comes as part of a statutory body. That is not the Council. It will be ultra virus to spend money on.
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Wendy Thomson: Yeah, I I believe we could. If if under, because we've got what's the term? I forgotten the term now, power of competence.
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Amanda Davis: But, I don't think that you can, even with power competence. If it's something that's being led by. The parent teacher sort of association or something as an add on. And it's not seen as part of the school curriculum, you may just be able to get away with it.
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Wendy Thomson: It's not part of the school curriculum, is it? We just discussed that it's.
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Lizzie Gimblett: I just mentioned to to to Muddy the waters. Certainly we work with lots of councils and sometimes they find money from the waste budget. Sometimes they find some money in the education budget, so I don't understand.
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Amanda Davis: County Council. Yeah. County Council is not a problem. It's parish and town council monies that are not allowed to be used to focus.
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Wendy Thomson: Yeah, yeah, fine. We. We can always go through the tap the County Council and see what they can do. Yeah.
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Amanda Davis: Use my hand up.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes. Sorry.
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Amanda Davis: I didn't mind to. I'm this speaks to me in so many different ways. So to use the Alan sugar apprentice model.
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Amanda Davis: Lizzy. Thank you. You're hired.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Thank you!
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Amanda Davis: I'm a parish councillor. I'm a maths teacher
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Amanda Davis: So, for lots of different reasons. This is speaking to me.
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Amanda Davis: and what I would say is, if I was looking at this from an Academy group of schools.
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Amanda Davis: and especially when I was responsible within a pyramid of schools so very rural. We had 1st schools, middle schools, and high schools within a cooperative pyramid of schools.
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Amanda Davis: And this is something that middle schools, you know, as you say key key stage 2, 3, but when you've got 2 tier, which is pretty much what we've got around in Gloucestershire,
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Amanda Davis: and they're they're kind of bringing it with them. All that experience that they've done, and then it could feed into. I mean, I trained as an economist, 1st and foremost, and then into set. So got the 3 degrees but the the economic side of it, I what I would do is a whole week's collapse timetable.
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Amanda Davis: and then bring all those different subjects as you talk to talked about before with the English and the science, and the you know you could really do a massive collapse timetable for a whole week on that, and involve all the year sevens as part of their transition. It'd be like their induction week.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, no fantastic idea.
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Amanda Davis: You know, and that way, then the pyramid of schools. I don't know how your pricing would work, whether you would see that as a cheeky move, but whether that would then make it much more affordable, because they usually having to buy or or fund some sort of induction a transition program, anyway. So and if it was the whole Academy.
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Amanda Davis: And you've got something in common that you can kind of share experiences around and come with that confidence that you've run your own shop in primary.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, no, no, it's that's a great idea. I'm not sure how I would.
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Lizzie Gimblett: I mean, I guess that with the feeder primaries is that all quite structured? Is there a sort of way to communicate that? Or.
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Amanda Davis: Yeah, there's there's nearly always a teacher in a secondary school who's got the the responsibility of doing of transition. So it could be that you've got a science teacher, maths teacher, and an English teacher, for example, all all being transition teacher. Or it could be that you've just got the one, and they they tend to go out in the
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Amanda Davis: It's it's part and parcel of a teachers. Job is that particularly when you're when you're qualified. And you're going into the sort of upper, you know. You go through threshold and and you're an a senior teacher. Then especially then, to keep that seniority point, you usually have some extra responsibilities, and one of those, or maybe 3 of those members of staff will have this as something they've got to do as part of their day job.
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Amanda Davis: So what will happen is it will get resourced by maybe a cover teacher covering them for the morning that they're out at the primary school, or something like that.
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Neal Whipp: I'm here because we've created something called Bromyard Mad Show.
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Neal Whipp: and that is dedicated to exactly what this presentation is about, and that is getting children to understand
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Neal Whipp: climate change issues and to make a difference to contribute to them. And therefore not be afraid of of climate change by the time 2050 comes and they're voting in the General election. We've got all of the 7 feeder schools into the secondary school in Bromyard as part of our group.
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Neal Whipp: and we are carrying out a survey of all the families, and we're doing that survey every year for the next 7 years, so we can see hopefully changes in lifestyle attitudes by the families, as they will become more aware of how they can make a difference. So this is absolutely Evan sent to me. So if I could have your contact details afterwards, then rest assured we'll be in touch.
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Amanda Davis: Is that Lizzie, or myself, or both, or.
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Neal Whipp: And certainly the transition that you're talking about, which is all these these problems are new to me. But you, you obviously know and understand that that that issue and it's 1 i'd love to know more about.
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Amanda Davis: Yeah, I've been a secondary school maths teacher for 15 years, and then for the last 10 years I've been doing more about.
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Amanda Davis: So I used to be a hospital manager as well, and merged hospitals and this sort of thing. So. But I don't wanna hijack Lizzy. Session. It's really how to enable Lizzie's work and mine is just an example of where I think straight away. It might work well.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There is a chat facility in zoom, and if people put their email addresses in there, then the chat becomes part of the presentation on the wiki, where all these chat sessions or banter sessions go. So if you want to exchange email addresses, or you want to be recorded as as being here. By all means, please just stick your email address in the the chat system.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that really helps
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: the question I had, Lizzie was, I can imagine you have issues with being over subscribed for this. The children will, I'm sure, be falling over themselves to help out. Do you ever have schools where, in fact, there there is not the success to keep it going.
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Lizzie Gimblett: We've had a couple of schools, one where it started. Well, but it was
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Lizzie Gimblett: mainly the staff that were engaged, and that's where I've gone back to the Council and said, You know how about a loss leader product? If this is about cost, can we reduce one product
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Lizzie Gimblett: and see if that will bring in the parents who aren't engaging. Very well, but you know, for the most part that's that's just not the case. It's not. It's not a complete silver bullet. It's we do surveys. And at the start
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Lizzie Gimblett: our surveys are well responded to, and we have about 95 96% of respondents saying they would like a school refill shop. And if you drill into the tiny percentage that don't, it's very often that they they refilled last week, and they're worried about their local refill shop, which is very admirable.
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Lizzie Gimblett: but that conversion rate doesn't then convert to people shopping at the refill shop. And so, you know, it's it's it's a job for the marketing team to really get behind making them aware of it and persuade them to come along. And I think you know, we all know that there is a big difference between saying you want to do something and actually doing it. So but there are many things that play into that
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Lizzie Gimblett: but no, for the most part they they do well, and the the children are engaged, and if they're not engaged they can swap out, and someone else can come in. It's you know. It's it's never going to
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I think it's wonderful for them the children to learn how to cope with issues arise. So you know, if someone tries to swipe a credit card and it doesn't get approved.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then they would run into that as a an issue that they're gonna have to late deal with in life. And how do you cope with that and that sort of thing? I think it's brilliant
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Lizzie Gimblett: Some schools do it at the start of the day, and again that kind of comes back to not being too prescriptive. They can do it when they want to do it. Secondary schools might do it during the day. Because that's selling mainly to staff and themselves. Although we've got one that set up a pop up shop at their local primary school.
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Lizzie Gimblett: they generally sell 500 millil refills to start with. But then, if people want to refill more, they are welcome to, and they will organize themselves. And you know, maybe they'll refill Elita the next time, or sometimes people bring along very odd volumes that need refilling, and that calculate comes out and the children solve a problem. So
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Lizzie Gimblett: but people realize that they need to stock up for the shop, but they they kind of, and that's a little bit of extra effort for the environment. It's some we cannot carry on at the rate we're going producing things that we really don't care about. Just because it's a tiny bit more convenience. That's that's the
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Lizzie Gimblett: the the the crux of it, I think, from from my perspective. And I think so many people get that. And, you know, bewildering at the moment that the election doesn't seem to be touching on, and I'm not going to politicize this. But I I'm not hearing nearly enough about what we're doing for the environment. But people
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Lizzie Gimblett: I I think that that is massively misunderstood by the people who are wanting to lead us, who are leading us. It's people want to do more is, how do we make that A a realistic
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right. And the the last question I have is, are you happy for us to go ahead and recommend this to schools that we're familiar with or around about this. We just go ahead and spread the word for you.
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Lizzie Gimblett: That would be amazing. Thank thank you very much. Yes.
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Lizzie Gimblett: And Stewart as well. I know you've been waiting patiently. I'm so sorry.
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Stuart Withington: Thank you. I i i
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Stuart Withington: More power to you. I'd like to know how long you've been doing this for?
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Stuart Withington: And is there any follow up on the pupils who have been involved in the project?
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Lizzie Gimblett: What I I what was the 1st part of the question? The the follow up is is
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Lizzie Gimblett: very, very difficult. That that's more done through the skills builder partnership who are a big organization and they can track
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Lizzie Gimblett: That's such a. It's a lovely question. And I think with the new web platform, you know. That will
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Lizzie Gimblett: be somewhere that people could come back to, and you know, tell us what you did with this is is is a great
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Lizzie Gimblett: feedback section, if if they remember it funnily enough with tuck shop tuck shop does get talked about. And you say, Oh, I remember running the tuck shop. And so, you know, this is only the the idea started in 2,019, and then schools closed. So it's it's all relatively new.
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Lizzie Gimblett: But I think because people talk so happily about school tuck shops in later years. There's no reason why they shouldn't also talk happily about this except it's refilling rather than eating so.
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Lizzie Gimblett: you you tend to kind of hold that, don't you? So it would be a nice way to try and gather feedback
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Stuart Withington: Okay, thank you for that. And oh, just one final thing. We're we're about to build the brand new all through school in Essex.
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Stuart Withington: and I did notice you. You said you have been involved with Essex County Council.
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Lizzie Gimblett: and I know they've got less funding next year. But anyway, either way, let's let's stay in touch and
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Lizzie Gimblett: and hopefully, that that would be great.
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Stuart Withington: And also this new school is on my daily cycle route. So it'd be great for me when our local refill shop close.
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mervyn head: Thank you very much. I will just throw one thing in at the start. Not for discussion, but for people to go away and have a look. If you want to look at funding from parish and town councils, look at section 1, 3, 7. As a mechanism that that's something to go away and look at.
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mervyn head: My question. I I've got a couple of questions, really. I think it's a great, really great project to get into schools.
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mervyn head: My 1st question is, how do you sell it?
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mervyn head: That's that's because schools, obviously, money is tight. Time is tight and space is tight. You've got to find some way to store all of this stuff. So that that's the 1st question. What if you are a business now? And you've got your sales representatives out in the community. How do you? How do you track what you selling? How? How do you sell it? That's the 1st question.
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mervyn head: I I'm in Lincolnshire, and I'm a district counselor as as well as a parish councillor.
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mervyn head: In a previous life. Before the last election I had a seat on the Executive at District Council, and I was a member of the Lincoln Waste partnership.
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mervyn head: which basically the 7 District Councils work with the County council for waste, reduction and platform.
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mervyn head: Now for me, that this, the the way that you can tackle this one, is through the waste
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mervyn head: part of County councils. You forget whatever they are, because this is about reduction and reuse, which is, which is a big thing
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mervyn head: and obviously here in Lincoln it's County Council that's responsible for the education. It's nothing to do now with with District Council. So I I'm just interested.
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mervyn head: I can see a way of selling it through the waste side, get the waste partnership, and and the chairman of the waste partnership who's a county councillor
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mervyn head: to try and sell that through the County Council. But
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mervyn head: how is this actually sold? I can see the benefits of it. But somebody has got to say, Yes, okay. We will devote the time, the effort, and the money, and they're always at very, very tight premiums.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Well as as you said, the the waste team are very keen on it. The work we're doing in Essex is the education team
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Lizzie Gimblett: And that's where the work with councils. You can take the cost of the training and the cost of the
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Lizzie Gimblett: opening. Stop package. And you say, Okay, well, we're going to gather data for the council, and then the Council will invest in that invest in data collection, and and it makes it free for the school. So that's that's 1 approach. But where schools are passionate about it.
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mervyn head: I can sell this to the, to the waste partnership because I I don't have a problem because I I know the people that I need to talk to to do that. And so the mechanism for them would be then, presumably to contact you, to look at what you've done in other areas, and how this thing works.
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mervyn head: I mean there. There are a number of schools in my district that are really would be really, really keen on this. So I've got one in my ward that's really very much into the environmental issues. Great great little school.
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mervyn head: and I. I can see that the headmistress they would be very, very interested in that. So for me. Now then.
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mervyn head: when I go away from this session now.
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mervyn head: I will sell this through the Lincoln Waste partnership and get them to promote that, because I think this is something with with dovetail really nicely into work.
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mervyn head: and they've got money.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, yeah, no. And that well, that's exactly right. That's that's the the ideal way forward, because the school budgets are tiny and you know, if it can be provided free of charge, then that means that they're much more likely to take it up. And yeah, they just don't for the most part don't have a lot of money, and the ones that will get the most benefit out of it if you like. The will be the ones that where the children?
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Lizzie Gimblett: Well, certainly the schools with less money. It. It's perhaps arguably more important to give the skills education so you know, making it free of charge. Answers that as well.
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mervyn head: I was. Gonna say, thank you very much indeed for that. It's absolutely brilliant. Thank you very much indeed. It was lovely.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Pleasure. Thank you.
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Amanda Davis: Thank you. I put a couple of things in the chat that, Lucy. I wonder whether I could just point them out. One is that it could in terms of the impact of this.
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Amanda Davis: It might be possible that if you worked with a university that have teacher training
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Amanda Davis: student. But you know these are teachers who are teaching, but they might introduce it into their school and then be able to do some sort of research around the longevity or setting up a structure that you could then use to give to schools to track
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Amanda Davis: progress through. It's just a thought. But I really wanted to ask whether you're aware of the National Numeracy champion program.
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Amanda Davis: It's a national programme.
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Amanda Davis: Okay. So this year is the year of national Numeracy championship.
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Amanda Davis: And it's basically about demystifying maths. And for anybody who who's got that feeling of oh, I can't do math, or I was never any good at school, or I can't help my kids with that, or it's holding me back in my career.
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Amanda Davis: Or I, I really, you know, is that thing about being caught out or being caught short with your maths confidence and just feeling a lot more confident in your numeracy skills in general.
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Amanda Davis: And so Gloucestershire County Council, for example, has got an officer at County Council who's responsible for the coordination of our local champions in Gloucestershire. I'm 1 of them, and there's a national person who I could put you in touch with.
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Amanda Davis: and I'm just thinking that
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Amanda Davis: put, you know you can see the link there that it's a very practical thing that you're doing. And that's just something that you've got to problem solve in order to get where you want to be
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Amanda Davis: so. It's not maths per se. It's maths. In order to run the shop in order to save the planet in order to have fun with your school friends, you know it's it's all of these things that maths is just one of the ways of achieving it. So that's the sort of thing we want to see more of and to champion more
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Amanda Davis: and I know that they will have got most of their years budget spent, but nevertheless, to get you that conversation that might then have national reach.
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Amanda Davis: And it's a way of involving the parents, the family, the grandparents, the the whole community
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Amanda Davis: with youngsters and their maths. And that's exactly what national numeracy championship program is all about.
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Amanda Davis: And anybody else on the call who's not from Gloucestershire. Please do. Also, if you're interested, find out in your area about national numeracy and champions, it's called the multiply program in Gloucestershire. So I'm not quite sure where multiply the brand and national Numeracy championship comes in. But
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Amanda Davis: I've heard both of them mentioned in Gloucestershire, and the other the other point I wanted to raise quickly, cause I realize I'm using up a lot of time is I'm an elected director at Mid County's cooperative.
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Amanda Davis: as with all co-ops. We're very keen on our environment and and our support in communities.
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Amanda Davis: And we've we've got a new way of funding communities for progress in these areas. And that's all doing good together Fund.
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Amanda Davis: We haven't made our 1st awards yet, but basically the 1,000 points of everybody's you know how you used to have the old dividend
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Amanda Davis: the divvy stamps. And what have you when you shopped at the Co-OP? And now you you get points? So it used to be that those points became money. But now it's that those points are going into a fund. The 1,000 points go into a fund called doing good together.
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Amanda Davis: And one of the things we're looking at is how in our community we can achieve
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Amanda Davis: lots of bigger things that might need some pump priming, and then can be sustainable thereafter. So that's and I just wonder with us being a supplier, as well, whether there might be a conversation to be had
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Amanda Davis: in relation to sourcing products, and actually having some sort of partnership, even.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Extension.
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Amanda Davis: It's a long, big, very big kind of wild card, but it's just a
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Amanda Davis: a thought.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, thank you. Thank you. That's very interesting. You know, always
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Lizzie Gimblett: keen for support. Certainly the 1st idea pumping
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Lizzie Gimblett: points towards something that helps the community is, is really excellent in terms of.
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Lizzie Gimblett: I don't know if becoming a supplier would undermine that in any way, because the points would be going towards something that you were benefiting from, in a in a sense. But I anyway, so certainly something we could discuss further.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Would I ask, Wendy if you'd like to go now.
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Wendy Thomson: Was very. It was back to the actual practicalities of the the shop and the operation of the shop.
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Wendy Thomson: So I'm assuming you're dealing with cash and card payments. So how do you
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Wendy Thomson: manage that? Is it? Do you need to set up a separate account for just for that, or does it go into some other account.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Oh, I love these questions. So different, for everywhere. Schools opt. Do they want cash or card, or both? What we would recommend is that they have. If they do use the card. Reader, just in case there's a technology fail, something goes wrong. Have some cash.
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Lizzie Gimblett: it. It varies. It seems to be more of a problem in academies to find accountants to point the card readers at. They need an account to point the card reader at sometimes the Pta kindly steps in and says you can point it at one of our accounts, and it becomes a pta sub account. So
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Lizzie Gimblett: that's that's the option. But in schools that aren't academies they seem to find ways to make that work.
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Lizzie Gimblett: It's it's 1 of those questions that invariably gets solved. We have obviously a network of schools. And, funnily enough, last term on the optional Whatsapp, I put out a question about exactly that because I didn't know what the solution was, but I was sure somebody would know what the solution might be, and so they were able to offer it
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Lizzie Gimblett: as a have you thought about this and that turned out to be their solution? So those sorts, all, all I can tell you is the solutions do get found. But every school is different. So it's, it's sometimes quite difficult to be very prescriptive about it.
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Lizzie Gimblett: but yes, that's it needs to point at an account, and the Pta account seems to be the fallback solution. If there isn't suitable school account.
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Wendy Thomson: Sounds great. I'm just gonna get a plugin for what I do. I'm literally after this call, putting together an order I've just received to refill my local shiny goodness in Nailsworth with some cleaning vinegar. So that's what my small businesses when he goes green. So I'm literally, I was really excited about this, because I had
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Wendy Thomson: also, during the Covid years, tried to contact local universities to get
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Wendy Thomson: older students involved in setting up their own shop, and I was trying to get funding from some of the bigger businesses in Gloucestershire. I didn't succeed. I tried eccentricity. I tried super dry, and whatever. And they just went interested in a local little woman like me trying to sort out something like this. So I'm not giving up. I have got some other avenues, and I'm inspired by what you've done it
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Wendy Thomson: this level. And I I can see possibilities of of getting more information from Amanda, because we're both in Gloucestershire to say, look, yeah, let's see what we can do locally to spread this. But thank you. It's been a really interesting talk today.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Thank you very much. Absolute pleasure.
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Lizzie Gimblett: I'll put my email in. Should I put my email in the chat as well? Graham.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, please.
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Lizzie Gimblett: Yeah, let me do that now.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And wh. While you're doing that, I'll just check to see if anyone else needs to ask any further questions. And I didn't see any hands shooting up. So let me say, Lizzie, that was absolutely brilliant. I echo Wendy that it was fascinating. Quite
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: more involved than I thought it would be in terms of the use for the the the schools and the children, and everything else, and I appreciated the wider range you gave of what happens. I think that you know that the question of tracking where the children go and what the impact is from Stuart would be. I would have thought it was a great
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: either a masters or a Phd. In education to see what the impact is down the road 5 years or 10 years that somebody is, it could pick up and see where it went. I don't suppose you keep any records of who's been at doing what? At which school.
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Lizzie Gimblett: No, we we steer clear of that personal information. That's something that the school would be able to do. So I think it would be more
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Lizzie Gimblett: you know, having a little has this inspired you? Come back and tell us if it changes, how
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Lizzie Gimblett: your future pans out
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Lizzie Gimblett: that kind of appeal to people that they might just remember, and they might just come back and find the website. And they might just be able to
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Lizzie Gimblett: offer that in the fullness of time.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think it'll be a lot more surreptitious. I think you'll have the the kingdom of traders becoming even better at being a king of traders just because you've been working at it.
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Lizzie Gimblett: So.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Lizzie so much. It was a wonderful session really enjoyed it, and I'll say thank you to everybody for coming
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: and see you all next time. Please take care.
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Stuart Withington: Please. Pretty good.
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Lizzie Gimblett: It's it's in the chat. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Amanda Davis: Thank you.
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Care, all bye, bye.