Banter 21: Child-led,Eco-refill workshops, 29May24, Lizzie Gimblett

Lizzie introduces us to the PupilProfit facility, in which children set up a refill shop at their school, and are introduced to Climate and Environmental Change without fear

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:33.160 --> 00:00:38.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Gary, Amanda Tracy Merlin win the other than you. 2 00:01:38.820 --> 00:01:39.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good 3 00:02:25.670 --> 00:02:26.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones: farm. 4 00:04:00.720 --> 00:04:02.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good morning, Lizzy. 5 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:04.220 Lizzie Gimblett: Morning. Graham, how are you. 6 00:04:04.220 --> 00:04:08.923 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I am in great shape. We've got the sunshine out. We're all ready for a bright session. 7 00:04:09.200 --> 00:04:12.689 Lizzie Gimblett: Fabulous. No, it's nice to see the sun, isn't it? Goodness me. 8 00:04:12.820 --> 00:04:14.306 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, yes, 9 00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:18.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was reading somewhere that we've had 10 00:04:19.269 --> 00:04:21.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: a beautiful day in Dorset. 11 00:04:22.029 --> 00:04:26.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and 29 miles away in Yoga, and it was the wettest day they've ever had. 12 00:04:26.650 --> 00:04:41.360 Lizzie Gimblett: No. Gosh, it's really yeah, no, it's awful. I was looking at the lawn, thinking, Why is it yellow? There's been so much rain, and then I went, looked at it, and apparently too much rain causes the lawn to go yellow, which. 13 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:42.500 Lizzie Gimblett: yeah, anyway. 14 00:04:43.085 --> 00:04:45.779 Lizzie Gimblett: Sign of the times, unfortunately. But anyway. 15 00:04:45.780 --> 00:04:54.069 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It all depends on the sort of grass you have. When I there was living in Somerset we were on the Somerset levels, which are very prone to flooding. 16 00:04:54.240 --> 00:05:00.535 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and the grass there seems to thrive on being under under 10 feet of water has no problem at all. 17 00:05:01.610 --> 00:05:04.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is why there are so many cows in Somerset. 18 00:05:04.520 --> 00:05:17.709 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, no, indeed. Oh, well, I am going to be investigating, I think lawn seed because I did the No Mo. May. And then, when it was beautiful at the weekend, I thought, Oh, I'm actually going to mow that end, and some it is very yellow. 19 00:05:17.710 --> 00:05:18.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright! Alright! 20 00:05:19.270 --> 00:05:19.750 Lizzie Gimblett: Anyway. 21 00:05:19.750 --> 00:05:20.616 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Morning, Stuart. 22 00:05:21.050 --> 00:05:22.090 Stuart Withington: Good morning! 23 00:05:22.610 --> 00:05:24.530 Lizzie Gimblett: Morning, Stuart. Nice to meet you. 24 00:05:24.530 --> 00:05:26.209 Stuart Withington: Hi! Nice to meet you, too. 25 00:05:26.300 --> 00:05:28.220 Stuart Withington: Are you our guest? Speaker? 26 00:05:28.220 --> 00:05:31.620 Lizzie Gimblett: I am, I am so looking forward to it. 27 00:05:31.850 --> 00:05:33.209 Stuart Withington: Excellent, so am I. 28 00:05:37.880 --> 00:05:43.559 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now we can just thrash out the details, is he? You're gonna start off by showing things from your screen. 29 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:44.470 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes. 30 00:05:44.470 --> 00:05:47.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And when you get to the cartoon you want me to show it. 31 00:05:47.530 --> 00:05:48.929 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, if that would be Ok, that. 32 00:05:48.930 --> 00:05:54.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, yeah, that's fine. What you need to remember. You'll need to unshare your screen before I can share mine. 33 00:05:54.410 --> 00:06:17.990 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, okay. And I think, do you need to share? Oh, I see. I click, share screen, don't. I'm not very good at these things. And then, yes, okay, that's fine. Yes, I've just got a Powerpoint, which I'll I'll sort of jump through, really, because it summarizes everything nicely, but I think people will be much more interested in chatting at the end rather than. 34 00:06:17.990 --> 00:06:18.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But yes. 35 00:06:18.770 --> 00:06:20.180 Lizzie Gimblett: Looking at slides. 36 00:06:20.850 --> 00:06:27.155 Graham Stoddart-Stones: i i i missed a trick in the invitation. I should have asked them to bring all children and grandchildren along with them. 37 00:06:27.450 --> 00:06:28.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, that'd be. 38 00:06:28.870 --> 00:06:32.300 Lizzie Gimblett: Lovely to have some input from the children absolutely. 39 00:06:32.300 --> 00:06:34.660 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That was a big mistake. I'm sorry about that. 40 00:06:34.960 --> 00:06:36.734 Lizzie Gimblett: No, no, I'm sure I'm I'm. 41 00:06:37.030 --> 00:06:40.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We can make an announcement that anyone that's got children with them can go and get them. 42 00:06:40.650 --> 00:06:41.474 Lizzie Gimblett: Bring them in. 43 00:06:47.140 --> 00:06:59.269 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it's interesting, although you, your forecast, that we might be low on numbers because of half term, seems to be quite accurate. What we've got is a very new bunch of people. What's the 1st timers here? 44 00:06:59.700 --> 00:07:00.580 Lizzie Gimblett: They're wonderful. 45 00:07:00.580 --> 00:07:03.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, so you're winning both ways. 46 00:07:04.250 --> 00:07:05.303 Lizzie Gimblett: Hey? Very 47 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:08.840 Lizzie Gimblett: very very interesting. Morning, Neil. 48 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:11.760 Neal Whipp: Morning. I'm trying to get rid of me. It's in the way. 49 00:07:12.260 --> 00:07:13.789 Neal Whipp: No, that would amazingly. 50 00:07:15.440 --> 00:07:20.335 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We we could do with a little bit more of your hair and a bit less of your ceiling, otherwise 51 00:07:27.080 --> 00:07:29.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones: are you with a laptop, Neil. 52 00:07:29.810 --> 00:07:30.430 Neal Whipp: Yes. 53 00:07:30.430 --> 00:07:33.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You need to tilt the screen a little bit towards you. 54 00:07:33.550 --> 00:07:36.400 Neal Whipp: Alright. I'm trying to at the moment. I can't see anybody 55 00:07:36.970 --> 00:07:40.325 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, okay, well, we. We rest assured that we can receive. 56 00:07:40.630 --> 00:07:41.210 Neal Whipp: Gosh! 57 00:07:41.790 --> 00:07:43.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones: From the nose upwards. 58 00:07:43.440 --> 00:07:44.420 Neal Whipp: Let's get rid of that 59 00:07:47.410 --> 00:07:51.069 Neal Whipp: into my password. Now, I've no idea what my password is 60 00:07:51.390 --> 00:07:52.189 Neal Whipp: over this. 61 00:07:52.190 --> 00:07:52.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sit, no. 62 00:07:55.660 --> 00:08:02.099 Wendy Thomson: That's it. That's it. Regardless. So I think this is gonna have more of an impact on those owners that are swinging voters. 63 00:08:30.880 --> 00:08:31.690 Neal Whipp: Right. 64 00:08:44.850 --> 00:08:50.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So just in case you're getting nervous busy, we've got one person who is 65 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:57.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think, politically bound to be late. It's just a stated requirement and a job description. So. 66 00:08:57.830 --> 00:08:58.820 Lizzie Gimblett: Marvellous. 67 00:08:58.990 --> 00:09:03.105 Lizzie Gimblett: I'm not very happy just just to wait, but it's always 68 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:12.569 Lizzie Gimblett: I always feel bad for the people that are there 1st if you start and then stop and then go back again. So very nice to have you there, Neil. 69 00:09:12.830 --> 00:09:13.600 Neal Whipp: Good. 70 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:15.491 Lizzie Gimblett: Your your full face, now. 71 00:09:15.870 --> 00:09:16.300 Neal Whipp: Yeah. 72 00:09:16.300 --> 00:09:16.850 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, yes. 73 00:09:16.850 --> 00:09:18.280 Neal Whipp: Door, and wardrobes. 74 00:09:18.280 --> 00:09:19.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, and you're seeing us. 75 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:22.909 Neal Whipp: Yes, I can see 3 of you perfect. 76 00:09:23.150 --> 00:09:30.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Well, you should see Stewart now, and Jackie is just about to join us from a very, very 77 00:09:30.190 --> 00:09:33.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: weird background. You are a railway train. No. 78 00:09:34.380 --> 00:09:35.470 Lizzie Gimblett: Beautiful background. 79 00:09:35.470 --> 00:09:37.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, look at that. 80 00:09:40.410 --> 00:09:42.384 Wendy Thomson: They were saying, really nice 81 00:09:42.870 --> 00:09:44.958 Wendy Thomson: Tuesday should be good. 82 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Say good morning to Wendy. Good morning to you. 83 00:09:47.760 --> 00:09:48.129 Lizzie Gimblett: I mean. 84 00:09:48.130 --> 00:09:52.180 Wendy Thomson: I am, and my little foster dog, Piper. 85 00:09:52.470 --> 00:09:53.330 Lizzie Gimblett: Yeah, light. 86 00:09:55.180 --> 00:10:04.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We were just saying earlier, I I missed a big trick by not suggesting that anyone who's got children around would be very welcome to bring them into this session. So 87 00:10:04.090 --> 00:10:08.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones: if you need to go and call on grandchildren or children, now is the time. 88 00:10:10.420 --> 00:10:11.720 Wendy Thomson: Sadly, not yet. 89 00:10:12.130 --> 00:10:13.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, well, never mind. 90 00:10:14.280 --> 00:10:16.980 Lizzie Gimblett: Happy to have the dog, though 91 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:23.031 Lizzie Gimblett: mine may he. He may decide to join us, but I'm I'm hoping he won't. 92 00:10:23.850 --> 00:10:37.949 Lizzie Gimblett: He he can be quite active. He had a back surgery about a month ago, and as he's progressively got better and better, he's become more participative in meetings, and he makes his views quite strongly known. But. 93 00:10:37.950 --> 00:10:38.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right. 94 00:10:38.270 --> 00:10:39.780 Lizzie Gimblett: Keep fingers crossed. 95 00:10:40.030 --> 00:10:42.369 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Your dad? Dab footed with the keyboard. 96 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:55.549 Lizzie Gimblett: He's not allowed anywhere near it. But still he's he's part poodle, and then poodle seem to be quite clever at making their views quite clear. So 97 00:10:59.260 --> 00:11:02.510 Lizzie Gimblett: shall I make a start, Graham? Or do you want to wait. 98 00:11:02.510 --> 00:11:07.449 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, I think we'll give them a couple of more minutes. Traditionally we give them 5 min. 99 00:11:07.992 --> 00:11:17.349 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we can. So I make rude remarks about, I'm able to say good morning to all those people who showed up on time and good afternoon to all those who didn't. 100 00:11:17.500 --> 00:11:18.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So so 101 00:11:22.710 --> 00:11:28.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so I'll just say hello to Jackie and to Amanda. Good day to you. 102 00:11:28.260 --> 00:11:28.620 Amanda Davis: They live. 103 00:11:28.620 --> 00:11:29.240 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Move in. 104 00:11:29.650 --> 00:11:33.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And Gary, okay, I think we're sort of where we need to be. 105 00:11:34.170 --> 00:11:37.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So thanks, Gary. 106 00:11:37.502 --> 00:11:51.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so let us go ahead and say, thank you all very much for showing up today. We've got Lizzie giving us a much more unusual presentation, I think, than we used to so I'm looking forward to this. 107 00:11:52.392 --> 00:11:56.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if you'd like to go ahead, please. Lizzie, it's all yours. 108 00:11:57.060 --> 00:12:08.280 Lizzie Gimblett: Wonderful. Well, I'm going to talk to you today about the child led enterprises that we offer at pupil's profit. So I set people's profit up 109 00:12:08.350 --> 00:12:10.640 Lizzie Gimblett: a little over a decade ago. 110 00:12:11.050 --> 00:12:31.260 Lizzie Gimblett: and until 2019 I was working with schools setting up healthy tuck shops. So the old fashioned tuck shop idea with the twist that actually it's healthy, and children were given an opportunity to. Take the reins on healthy eating, and I think a lot of 111 00:12:31.340 --> 00:12:47.300 Lizzie Gimblett: education involves telling children what the right thing to do is, and hoping they'll do it, and actually setting them free with a range of snacks that are healthy and letting them sell them to each other is enormous fun, and they get a lot out of it. And 112 00:12:47.899 --> 00:12:54.690 Lizzie Gimblett: it's it's always been a really exciting thing to be a part of so shortly before lockdown. 113 00:12:55.349 --> 00:13:03.079 Lizzie Gimblett: I have the idea that the re the tuck shop could be transformed into a refill shop. 114 00:13:03.380 --> 00:13:09.717 Lizzie Gimblett: and this you know, I grew up in a little village, and I used to take 115 00:13:10.640 --> 00:13:15.579 Lizzie Gimblett: cherry aid bottles back to the newsagents, and they were very kind, and they'd give you a 116 00:13:15.800 --> 00:13:29.939 Lizzie Gimblett: 20 p. Back for them or something, and you give them back, and they've reused them, and I never forgot that, and my daughter used to dance at Ballet School, which was right next to a refill shop actually. 117 00:13:30.290 --> 00:13:41.849 Lizzie Gimblett: more recently, and I used to get at a ballet with bun as perfect as could be, and you know shoes in bag, etc. And would forget my refill containers for the refill shop. 118 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:46.705 Lizzie Gimblett: and when I did eventually manage to remember the refill containers, I refilled 119 00:13:47.040 --> 00:14:01.269 Lizzie Gimblett: a container with body wash, and I was told it was 14 pounds, and I thought, crumbs, that's a lot of money for body wash. Happy to do it this once just about. But you know this doesn't feel like a match. 120 00:14:01.330 --> 00:14:21.479 Lizzie Gimblett: And so, anyway, the the idea of adapting the tuck shop or keeping the tuck shop, but then developing a tuck shop mark 2 which reduces plastic waste and allows the children more importantly to be involved. Was born, and then lockdown happened, and so I had plenty of time, with no work 121 00:14:22.830 --> 00:14:28.109 Lizzie Gimblett: to develop it as an idea, and was lucky enough to get some funding from the gla. 122 00:14:28.130 --> 00:14:48.260 Lizzie Gimblett: So this is all the backstory. But out of that we have 80 schools working with refill shops. So there are 80 teams of children selling refills to parents and carers and staff and reducing plastic waste. So I'm just going to do a little, very 123 00:14:48.740 --> 00:14:57.379 Lizzie Gimblett: light touch death by Powerpoint, and if at any point you want to ask a question, please just unmute and jump in. 124 00:14:57.590 --> 00:15:01.513 Lizzie Gimblett: and then I think we'll watch a brief cartoon, because that's that's 125 00:15:02.040 --> 00:15:22.340 Lizzie Gimblett: going from where we're at to where we're going to be in September, which, I think is an exciting development, and then then I think we can have a sort of more open chat about how we work with schools and what the benefits really are, and you know your your take on it. So I'll share screen now and. 126 00:15:22.340 --> 00:15:23.570 Neal Whipp: Can I just ask. 127 00:15:23.570 --> 00:15:24.060 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, what? 128 00:15:24.060 --> 00:15:26.390 Neal Whipp: Age group are the children that you're dealing with. 129 00:15:26.390 --> 00:15:50.619 Lizzie Gimblett: Oh, brilliant question! So they are. Aged about 9, to about 14. So it's key stage 2 in primary school, Neil, and then in secondary school. It varies. It's very often key stage 3. But then some of Key Stage 4 want to get involved, and of course they can. And of course, the younger children, if they do want to get involved, no one wants to turn them away. 130 00:15:50.820 --> 00:16:01.030 Lizzie Gimblett: But the way we do this is it's sort of packaged up as an enterprise project, and if you try and teach enterprise to the whole breadth of a primary school, it holds the more 131 00:16:01.663 --> 00:16:22.669 Lizzie Gimblett: the older children back, so we say, for the enterprise training. Just train the older children, but if the younger ones want to get involved they can color in posted. They can hand out leaflets. They can do, you know, whatever activity and and there are lots of activities they can get involved in, but just not to be involved in what's effectively setting up their business. 132 00:16:22.920 --> 00:16:23.630 Lizzie Gimblett: So 133 00:16:24.370 --> 00:16:32.408 Lizzie Gimblett: so our mission, it's it's actually the children at the moment are receiving an awful lot of education about 134 00:16:33.180 --> 00:16:52.790 Lizzie Gimblett: climate change as a concept. And some of them it's going straight over their head. And some of them are getting very worried about it. And so what we're doing is giving them something, a practical response really, to all of this information. And I think everyone feels better when they're doing something, so they're able to set up a refill shot. 135 00:16:53.020 --> 00:17:17.969 Lizzie Gimblett: And the the kind of key points are we're reducing waste what the children probably don't quite grasp. But we're actually reducing carbon, because the carbon that goes into extracting and manufacturing plastic and then disposing of it as well. Certainly in London. A lot of the so called recycling ends up being burnt. So there is a carbon impact. And then, of course, there's a biodiversity impact, which is the thing that the children 136 00:17:17.970 --> 00:17:24.310 Lizzie Gimblett: children think about. They think about the turtles, and just the fact that they know plastic is in everything. 137 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:27.819 Lizzie Gimblett: And so it gives them a practical response to that. 138 00:17:28.410 --> 00:17:49.940 Lizzie Gimblett: So you know, the the reasons for doing it are very obvious, but the one that I think is maybe slightly unexpected. Is just how big of a driver conveniences. The products that we sell are much more affordable. I'll come onto that. But by putting refilling on the school run. Everyone sees it 139 00:17:49.980 --> 00:17:59.300 Lizzie Gimblett: and they can, and they hear about it from the marketing. But it's also incredibly easy to travel to your nearest refill shop. 140 00:17:59.630 --> 00:18:08.609 Lizzie Gimblett: For a busy primary school parent is is quite a big ask, actually and then, of course, they've got the shop overheads, and it's not. We're not 141 00:18:09.230 --> 00:18:25.120 Lizzie Gimblett: providing the same range of products that refill shop stock, because schools are busy places teaching lots of things. We have a capsule collection. So I hope that what we're doing is engaging people in reuse. But actually. 142 00:18:25.420 --> 00:18:39.229 Lizzie Gimblett: it's not seeking to replace the High Street refill shops. But my own personal belief is they do a wonderful job. There are very few of them, and some of them are very expensive. So you know, together, we kind of 143 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:46.220 Lizzie Gimblett: hopefully can create that elusive silver bullet which is trying to encourage people to 144 00:18:46.440 --> 00:19:12.379 Lizzie Gimblett: treat stuff differently, keep it for longer. Use it more so the training that I mentioned. What the children do in the training is. They write their own business plan. They apply for job roles. They assess their skill levels, and then they'll go on to grow those skills. And of course, in a refill shop, those become green skills and they operate the business. And you know, that's where? 145 00:19:12.860 --> 00:19:23.169 Lizzie Gimblett: they realize that customer service is important. They must be plight. They must work together as a team. They must check money. Or check what's on the card, reader. 146 00:19:23.826 --> 00:19:48.429 Lizzie Gimblett: So there's there's lots of really valuable learning in that and then this, the products are environmentally kind. And what that means, you know. Ek friendly, what does it mean? It's a sort of marketing phrase, but it means in this instance that they've got no harsh chemical. So no sls or parabens. They're cruelty free. They're Vegan. They're made in the Uk. They're closed loop. 147 00:19:48.430 --> 00:19:56.000 Lizzie Gimblett: which simply means the bulk containers when they're empty, go from the school back to the manufacturer. So these children who are 148 00:19:56.100 --> 00:20:16.995 Lizzie Gimblett: selling refills to parents are seeing reuse within the home, but they're also seeing it within a business environment which I think is really important. And then with each new year the children hand onto a new group of a new cohort of pupils and schools will manage that. 149 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:42.949 Lizzie Gimblett: so the training? It's a sort of from September. It's going from being just physical training resources to a cartoon which we'll come to at the end. And what you see here is some children working through their business plan, and then there's just a lovely little excerpt from an application form where a year 4 child says, I want to be part of the business team, because in the future. I want the world to be a better place, and that's capturing it from 150 00:20:42.950 --> 00:21:08.488 Lizzie Gimblett: how the children feel about what they're doing. And so so I love that. So this is what refill shops look like in practice. There's lots of pumping. Occasionally customers get squirted. Sometimes the team squirt themselves, but we try to encourage them to put the neck of the bottle over the pump and to give it a nice full pump and they refill hand wash body wash hair, laundry, etc. 151 00:21:09.150 --> 00:21:32.633 Lizzie Gimblett: And what parents say we've never done refills before. This makes it so easy just having the option to refill is lovely. It's not something I would consider before. So there's lots of great reasons that come back from our surveys that support, that this is convenient and actually the affordability barrier doesn't present it does in a very, very small way. 152 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:44.380 Lizzie Gimblett: where people are in where councils work with us in schools in very high levels of deprivation. They can go in and subsidize product if if they wish to. 153 00:21:46.880 --> 00:22:05.480 Lizzie Gimblett: So what you've got here is children running the refill shops just on the right hand side. You can see we've actually even got a special educational school in Greater Manchester who set up a pop up shop in a local. It's it's called the Stratford Mall 154 00:22:05.820 --> 00:22:32.049 Lizzie Gimblett: and the sem children there run that, to the great delight of the customer. You can see in his shorts refilling. And and again, you know, customers are just delighted to find refill as something that's available. So that's that's what's happening there. We have a lot of feedback from school saying Ofsted came along. We had ofsted going shopping the other day. I don't know if they actually bought, but they left there 155 00:22:32.050 --> 00:22:46.809 Lizzie Gimblett: ivory tower and I'm not sure it is an ivory tower, but anyway, they they went to the shop and were very participative. And the refill shop does align to their personal development grade. The fact that the children are 156 00:22:46.820 --> 00:22:55.509 Lizzie Gimblett: looking at their skills in relation to the wider world and applying for job roles. And it also aligns to the department for education, climate action plans. 157 00:22:56.300 --> 00:23:09.489 Lizzie Gimblett: So our prices. The products that they sell. They sell at very, very low margin because we want them to be accessible to as many people as possible. So that's starting for 500 milliliters say 158 00:23:09.600 --> 00:23:25.520 Lizzie Gimblett: fabric conditioner is one pounds 50 up to 2 pounds 75 for body wash. So quite reasonable prices. They're not the same as the discount retailers, but they are environmentally responsible. So it's a great price for environmentally responsible products. And 159 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:36.769 Lizzie Gimblett: you know, if people can possibly afford to do it. Then it's a wonderful thing for them to engage in, because together we are having an impact on waste and behavior. 160 00:23:37.220 --> 00:23:51.172 Lizzie Gimblett: So so that's just the cost of the enterprise. Training. Is 435 pounds for a year, and then children will set out needing to buy about 200 pounds worth of products. 161 00:23:51.550 --> 00:24:15.039 Lizzie Gimblett: key outcomes. It's action as well as words. And that from my perspective, you know, there's there's always a huge. So what about something? So what are we doing? What are we changing? What's better? And this gives them the capacity to make change, which I think is phenomenal and you know you may or may not have a refill shop near you. I did a launch the other day in Hammersmith and Fulham. 162 00:24:15.040 --> 00:24:25.990 Lizzie Gimblett: and I said, oh, this will be the 1st school in Hammersmith and Fulham, and the gentleman from the Council. Had a bit of a chat, and he said, I think this is the only refill shop in Hammersmith and Fulham. 163 00:24:26.520 --> 00:24:52.369 Lizzie Gimblett: which is huge, you know, to have a group of 1011 year olds running a refill shop. That is the only one in Hammersmith and Fulham, and they're doing phenomenally this young people's voice. It gives these people who will be, you know, at least in their thirties. By the time we get to net 0 2050 they will have seen refilling happening within this sort of home environment, but also within a business environment. 164 00:24:53.022 --> 00:25:13.299 Lizzie Gimblett: circularity and action and skills development. So I'm just gonna keep going. So the indicators of behavior change which we saw in some of those quotes people hadn't refilled before, and they they are refilling now an active plastic waste reduction and a development of transferable workplace skills 165 00:25:14.155 --> 00:25:14.630 Lizzie Gimblett: which. 166 00:25:14.630 --> 00:25:15.970 Garry Ford: Musician. 167 00:25:16.769 --> 00:25:31.580 Lizzie Gimblett: Is is really important. And we, we are aligned to the skills, build a partnership. And their research shows the people who are confident in using their skills, achieve a wage premium when they leave school. So 168 00:25:32.095 --> 00:25:50.960 Lizzie Gimblett: that's that's really excellent. Just you know how we're being received by organizations. One of our refill shops is shown on the World Economic Forum World Wildlife Fund UN Environment program, reuse portal, which is great Eco schools you may have heard of. They work with schools across the country. 169 00:25:51.060 --> 00:26:19.760 Lizzie Gimblett: trying to encourage schools to do more green activities and what we do is aligns to their waste topic. They're very supportive. There's a wonderful organization called Let's Go 0, who again are very supportive. And then we work with a number of councils and we worked originally with the gla. So and it's through that original grant that they gave us that we were able to create our 1st pilot and and actually show that 170 00:26:19.780 --> 00:26:21.226 Lizzie Gimblett: this can 171 00:26:22.790 --> 00:26:44.830 Lizzie Gimblett: create change, create positive change. That's talking about school staff. So I'll just skip to the end, and say that my view is in action is inadequate. Where we are. We've all got to try harder, do better. It's hard, and you know this, to my mind, is so simple to reduce plastic. 172 00:26:44.830 --> 00:27:07.660 Lizzie Gimblett: which is the most visible really of the pollutants to our planet, to reduce that where we can is something that we should should all be trying to do and really, is there any joy in owning a brand new shampoo bottle? I would argue, no, but you know we kind of come through this time when new is better, more is better. So so that's 173 00:27:08.050 --> 00:27:18.760 Lizzie Gimblett: anyway in a nutshell. The the Refill Shop project. I'm going to unshare now and ask Graham if you could just play the cartoon animation. 174 00:27:18.760 --> 00:27:40.569 Lizzie Gimblett: The cartoon animation is our new way of working from September. And what that will do is give children more autonomy. So instead of filling in order forms, now they'll be completing them on on the platform. They'll still be using the physical resources that we've we've got which I think is important from from an active learning point of view. 175 00:27:41.380 --> 00:28:02.030 Lizzie Gimblett: but actually this will also mean that teachers don't have to spend time preparing to deliver the training. They're able to just press, play, or press pause, and and then the children will engage if you click on, find out more, and then we should go through to, and then on the middle of the video. That's that's the one. 176 00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:03.490 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes. 177 00:28:07.570 --> 00:28:12.860 Lizzie Gimblett: Have you considered a child led refill shop to make your school more sustainable? 178 00:28:13.170 --> 00:28:19.020 Lizzie Gimblett: But letting the children plan and operate. A refill shop has so many benefits. 179 00:28:19.040 --> 00:28:20.699 Lizzie Gimblett: Everyone gets involved 180 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.119 Lizzie Gimblett: love, the convenience of the shop. 181 00:28:23.140 --> 00:28:25.740 Lizzie Gimblett: and the affordably priced eco products. 182 00:28:25.950 --> 00:28:38.099 Lizzie Gimblett: The children benefit by learning to use weights, measures, and maths in abundance. They'll get very creative with their marketing and become confident in problem, solving and working with people they don't know. 183 00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:42.969 Lizzie Gimblett: They'll follow step by step. Explainer videos. Hi, Beck. 184 00:28:43.060 --> 00:28:55.069 Lizzie Gimblett: welcome to your Ecoreadal shop. We've set up a shop before, so we're here to guide you. It's really important to reduce our plastic waste, because plastic pollutes for sea and the land. 185 00:28:55.390 --> 00:29:12.600 Lizzie Gimblett: Every bottle refilled is a container saved from waste forever, and go on to apply for jobs. Let's talk about being directors. Let's think about what the skills really mean and even place orders for their Eco products using their online stock control system. 186 00:29:12.950 --> 00:29:18.299 Lizzie Gimblett: Being a buying manager means you place orders so the products your shop will sell. 187 00:29:18.510 --> 00:29:24.090 Lizzie Gimblett: Don't worry. You've got full sign off on their stock orders. So we've got you covered. 188 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:37.670 Lizzie Gimblett: We build green skills in our Eco refill shop. We reduce plastic wastes to help the natural world, and we help everyone in our school community to do more for the environment. 189 00:29:38.070 --> 00:29:43.010 Lizzie Gimblett: Please join us. We can't wait to get you started bye, for now. 190 00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:52.925 Lizzie Gimblett: So that's fine, Brian. Thank you very much. You can just 191 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:59.770 Lizzie Gimblett: shut that down so. That's really what I wanted to show you. I think, more than anything. It's the 192 00:30:00.090 --> 00:30:04.009 Lizzie Gimblett: importance of engaging children in their future. 193 00:30:04.070 --> 00:30:08.220 Lizzie Gimblett: And actually, children just have so much to give. 194 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:14.999 Lizzie Gimblett: And I think particularly key stage 2 are massively underestimated, and when told that 195 00:30:15.150 --> 00:30:36.881 Lizzie Gimblett: the business is theirs and they can get going with it. They sit up and teachers talk about the fact that children surprise them. Children haven't engaged so well in perhaps more classical style. Learning really get stuck in so it's it's fantastic in in that area as well. But anyway, I'm going to 196 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.720 Lizzie Gimblett: Open up the floor to questions. 197 00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:40.910 Lizzie Gimblett: Wendy. 198 00:30:41.360 --> 00:30:46.940 Wendy Thomson: I honestly this, I was so pleased to see this on the agenda. 199 00:30:47.420 --> 00:30:51.039 Wendy Thomson: can we go into more practicality? So from 200 00:30:51.100 --> 00:30:54.479 Wendy Thomson: the initial setting up, and that looks absolutely amazing. But 201 00:30:54.680 --> 00:31:07.169 Wendy Thomson: the shops I'm assuming are open sort of after school hours at the pickups or time. And then do they have an adult there supervising them? Or do they actually run it completely by themselves? 202 00:31:07.170 --> 00:31:09.492 Lizzie Gimblett: Oh, there's there's always an adult. 203 00:31:10.130 --> 00:31:22.000 Lizzie Gimblett: I I think it's important that the adult is there, because just occasionally you might get a tricky customer. So there is a staff supervisor that is the person that they will go to. 204 00:31:22.432 --> 00:31:49.529 Lizzie Gimblett: If they need to. The ethos is don't come to us with problems come to us with solutions. And so you know whose businesses? Oh, it's ours. So what do you think the solution might be? And that's where the learning is. You know, there isn't a a cut and dry 2 plus 2 equals. 4 answer to everything. But actually, what do you think might work. Let's try that. And and so that's that's the role of the adult. Is. 205 00:31:49.530 --> 00:31:53.069 Wendy Thomson: On that adult. Have you found that? 206 00:31:53.740 --> 00:31:58.390 Wendy Thomson: Is there a mixture of a volunteer teacher or volunteer parent? 207 00:31:59.110 --> 00:32:06.220 Lizzie Gimblett: Normally it's a member of staff, but we do. We do have schools where it's a member of the Pta. 208 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:17.010 Lizzie Gimblett: and you know what's been brilliant. There is. They brought their second hand uniform alongside, and then they set up second hand book and secondhand toys. And you know it's it's it's fantastic. So I think with schools 209 00:32:17.170 --> 00:32:42.097 Lizzie Gimblett: it's possible to do either. Certainly the training falls within the classic school day. But in terms of actually having an adult with the children later, and and they open. They normally open once a month. Some schools open once every 2 weeks, some schools open once a week. But most schools open once a month, because, you know you don't use up your washing up. Flick with that quickly. 210 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:52.890 Lizzie Gimblett: So having a member of the Pta there is is is a really nice option. It's it's up to the school. What would work best for them. 211 00:32:53.470 --> 00:32:53.890 Wendy Thomson: And what. 212 00:32:53.890 --> 00:32:55.140 Neal Whipp: So how will they. 213 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:55.840 Wendy Thomson: Sorry. 214 00:32:55.840 --> 00:32:56.440 Neal Whipp: Sorry. Go on. 215 00:32:56.738 --> 00:33:00.910 Wendy Thomson: Just like it was just on. Is it only one provider of the products. 216 00:33:01.924 --> 00:33:07.029 Lizzie Gimblett: We work with a couple of providers. What we found, is it it? Certainly. 217 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.679 Lizzie Gimblett: you know there are so many things that you could add in and 218 00:33:11.690 --> 00:33:33.270 Lizzie Gimblett: with every add in it adds complexity from the schools perspective. So we work with a range of affordable products that cover off what? You know some manufacturers do, some of them, but not all of them. So we're just trying to keep it as simple and affordable, inclusive as possible for as many 219 00:33:33.290 --> 00:33:34.969 Lizzie Gimblett: people as possible. 220 00:33:36.780 --> 00:33:42.619 Neal Whipp: So how much time, teacher, time is likely to be involved? That's the question that's going to be asked, because the 221 00:33:42.830 --> 00:33:48.969 Neal Whipp: curriculum is very full. The teachers are terribly busy. How are they going to fit it in? And where in the curriculum does it fit. 222 00:33:49.420 --> 00:34:05.460 Lizzie Gimblett: Yeah, no, that's that's a great question. So we've done some work with Essex County Council, actually. And they squarely fitted it into maths and you know. So we've been participating in Essex year of numbers. And obviously you've got weights and volumes. Money 223 00:34:06.060 --> 00:34:10.198 Lizzie Gimblett: estimating all of those sorts of things. 224 00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:21.900 Lizzie Gimblett: it it it can fit in many places. It probably doesn't have a a single home. Maths math works, I think if they use the Eco team they tend to meet at lunchtime 225 00:34:21.909 --> 00:34:30.939 Lizzie Gimblett: and work through the training at their lunchtime meeting. And it's through that experience that we've developed the cartoons because the cartoons should 226 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:41.500 Lizzie Gimblett: grab the children's attention more quickly. It means the teacher doesn't have to prepare, whereas at the moment the teacher is preparing and then presenting the training to the children. 227 00:34:41.620 --> 00:34:48.270 Lizzie Gimblett: and then, you know, they go away next week. Come back. It's all very rushed. The cartoons. They can go through again and again. 228 00:34:48.570 --> 00:35:12.319 Lizzie Gimblett: What does work brilliantly is. If there's a year group, and then they can sew and weave this into the topics that they're covering. So, for example, English, they'll do some persuasive writing. Well, they can do persuasive writing around the refill shop. There's all sorts of creativity that you can bring in. They do things like logos and posters, and that sort of thing can be 229 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:28.290 Lizzie Gimblett: done around the refill shop, and they certainly use it in maths. So again, you know, their math topics can come around the stock ordering stock control. So it's it's got many homes, but that there isn't a sort of enterprise. 230 00:35:28.460 --> 00:35:38.789 Lizzie Gimblett: slot, if you like, in the classic curriculum. But where it is recognized is under the personal development grade. And that's that's what we find ofsted 231 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:46.260 Lizzie Gimblett: comment on it, bringing learning to life that kind of thing. It doesn't go unrecognized. 232 00:35:46.560 --> 00:36:05.089 Lizzie Gimblett: So I would love there to be a a sort of a specific curriculum time. That aligned to this, that that doesn't exist. But with a little bit of creativity, it's it's absolutely findable. And going forward. The Department for Education are asking schools from 2025 to have a climate action plan. 233 00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:17.549 Lizzie Gimblett: and there are 4 pillars to that climate action plan. So supporting green skills development supporting biodiversity and cutting carbon are 3 of those pillars. 234 00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:30.679 Lizzie Gimblett: and this initiative allows you to do. Certainly cut cutting carbon across the entire school community supporting biodiversity. You know, the children will engage in that, and the children running the team 235 00:36:30.680 --> 00:36:38.739 Lizzie Gimblett: building green skills. And, as I say, the team can be handed on to a new cohort each year. So then, that will filter through the school. 236 00:36:40.460 --> 00:36:42.930 Wendy Thomson: Just to add on to that, Lizzy, so 237 00:36:43.010 --> 00:36:59.269 Wendy Thomson: did I hear it right, or does it depend on the school? Is it taught to give some realism to any of those maths or English. What is it taught the whole of the school year, or just the children involved in in running the shop. 238 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:14.833 Lizzie Gimblett: Another great question. It it, you know we don't prescribe that. So what you could do with a a whole school year is you could do the teaching for the whole school year. But then the job role application could be 239 00:37:15.580 --> 00:37:42.971 Lizzie Gimblett: not everyone will want to get involved, not everyone will be able to get involved. And and so then, you know, they will apply for jobs if they want to. So you know, if in maths you're talking about weights and volumes. There's no reason you can't use something that they readily identify with in their playground for that lesson. It. It kind of comes back to how the teacher wants to teach that topic. Likewise persuasive writing. 240 00:37:43.530 --> 00:38:07.880 Lizzie Gimblett: they can. They can. They can play the videos to the whole school assembly if they want to. But it. It just is how they're going to use them. They get enough resources in the training for 20 children. So that's that's what it's targeted at. And those 20 children up to 20 children will operate the shop. If they wanted to do more they would just need to have a conversation, but that's that's the sort of 241 00:38:08.276 --> 00:38:16.590 Lizzie Gimblett: one size fits all approach. And then if if somebody doesn't want to use that size. Then. You know, just get in touch and have a conversation. 242 00:38:18.720 --> 00:38:20.270 Lizzie Gimblett: Sorry? You 243 00:38:20.620 --> 00:38:21.620 Lizzie Gimblett: good one. 244 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:28.450 Neal Whipp: I made reference earlier on there was a training cost of 450 pounds or something. Do I remember that. 245 00:38:28.450 --> 00:38:37.870 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, it's 435 pounds plus that. So that's that's the cost for access to the platform and all of the resources. So. 246 00:38:38.180 --> 00:38:39.060 Lizzie Gimblett: Adam. 247 00:38:39.770 --> 00:38:45.729 Lizzie Gimblett: unfortunately, we've had to fund the web development ourselves, and you know it it 248 00:38:45.970 --> 00:38:50.281 Lizzie Gimblett: sadly. It is a it's a cost. 249 00:38:51.660 --> 00:39:14.341 Wendy Thomson: That is, that seems very reasonable to me, and and I think Town Council should be able to afford something like that, because we're asking for. We're we get requests for grants. You know that sort of sum up to 1,000 up to 2,000. And I I really think certainly where I am staying as Gloucestershire. We've got money that we could fund that for. 250 00:39:14.680 --> 00:39:27.749 Amanda Davis: I don't think you can, Wendy. Sorry to interrupt you, but this is now me with my clock hat on. Because it comes as part of a statutory body. That is not the Council. It will be ultra virus to spend money on. 251 00:39:27.750 --> 00:39:36.610 Wendy Thomson: Yeah, I I believe we could. If if under, because we've got what's the term? I forgotten the term now, power of competence. 252 00:39:36.610 --> 00:39:37.070 Amanda Davis: Doesn't. 253 00:39:37.070 --> 00:39:38.220 Wendy Thomson: Yeah, involved. 254 00:39:38.630 --> 00:39:45.719 Amanda Davis: No sorry. I really challenge that one. Check it out with Gptc. By all means. 255 00:39:45.760 --> 00:40:03.139 Amanda Davis: But, I don't think that you can, even with power competence. If it's something that's being led by. The parent teacher sort of association or something as an add on. And it's not seen as part of the school curriculum, you may just be able to get away with it. 256 00:40:03.140 --> 00:40:07.689 Wendy Thomson: It's not part of the school curriculum, is it? We just discussed that it's. 257 00:40:07.690 --> 00:40:08.510 Amanda Davis: Well, it just. 258 00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:11.049 Wendy Thomson: Choice by the schools if they want to get involved. 259 00:40:11.050 --> 00:40:16.480 Amanda Davis: It's still delivering the curriculum, though. But anyway, let's let's let's look into it. 260 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.840 Wendy Thomson: I got to disagree with that I would challenge it. But shall I. 261 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:33.129 Lizzie Gimblett: I just mentioned to to to Muddy the waters. Certainly we work with lots of councils and sometimes they find money from the waste budget. Sometimes they find some money in the education budget, so I don't understand. 262 00:40:33.130 --> 00:40:33.450 Amanda Davis: About to. 263 00:40:33.450 --> 00:40:33.790 Lizzie Gimblett: But I. 264 00:40:33.790 --> 00:40:40.540 Amanda Davis: County Council. Yeah. County Council is not a problem. It's parish and town council monies that are not allowed to be used to focus. 265 00:40:40.540 --> 00:40:46.629 Wendy Thomson: Yeah, yeah, fine. We. We can always go through the tap the County Council and see what they can do. Yeah. 266 00:40:46.630 --> 00:40:49.020 Amanda Davis: There are ways around it absolutely. I don't mean to. 267 00:40:49.020 --> 00:40:49.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: To be a. 268 00:40:49.530 --> 00:40:50.220 Amanda Davis: Through at all. 269 00:40:50.220 --> 00:40:55.340 Wendy Thomson: No, no, no, that's fine. I'm just saying. All I'm thinking is that the school doesn't have to 270 00:40:55.460 --> 00:40:59.209 Wendy Thomson: fund get, you know. Fund it necessarily. 271 00:40:59.210 --> 00:41:00.609 Amanda Davis: Use my hand up. 272 00:41:00.610 --> 00:41:01.370 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes. Sorry. 273 00:41:01.750 --> 00:41:13.629 Amanda Davis: I didn't mind to. I'm this speaks to me in so many different ways. So to use the Alan sugar apprentice model. 274 00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:15.759 Amanda Davis: Lizzy. Thank you. You're hired. 275 00:41:16.299 --> 00:41:17.039 Lizzie Gimblett: Thank you! 276 00:41:17.544 --> 00:41:21.579 Amanda Davis: I'm a parish councillor. I'm a maths teacher 277 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.600 Amanda Davis: and have been a school leader 278 00:41:24.660 --> 00:41:30.040 Amanda Davis: and a variety of other things, including eco sort of championing. 279 00:41:30.250 --> 00:41:34.009 Amanda Davis: and have trained as a parish clerk as well. 280 00:41:34.100 --> 00:41:37.660 Amanda Davis: So, for lots of different reasons. This is speaking to me. 281 00:41:37.770 --> 00:41:44.400 Amanda Davis: and what I would say is, if I was looking at this from an Academy group of schools. 282 00:41:44.710 --> 00:41:58.960 Amanda Davis: and especially when I was responsible within a pyramid of schools so very rural. We had 1st schools, middle schools, and high schools within a cooperative pyramid of schools. 283 00:41:59.090 --> 00:42:10.123 Amanda Davis: And this is something that middle schools, you know, as you say key key stage 2, 3, but when you've got 2 tier, which is pretty much what we've got around in Gloucestershire, 284 00:42:10.550 --> 00:42:17.320 Amanda Davis: mostly I think it is. I'm not sure if it is entirely but it. It would be a great transition project 285 00:42:17.690 --> 00:42:26.170 Amanda Davis: to have maths where you've got the feed and primary schools, feeding into something that the secondary school could then take. 286 00:42:26.230 --> 00:42:31.929 Amanda Davis: So in the in the year of Key State of year 6, let's say. 287 00:42:33.380 --> 00:42:37.889 Amanda Davis: where all the students from the different feeder schools then become year 7 288 00:42:38.010 --> 00:42:40.220 Amanda Davis: together in a secondary school. 289 00:42:40.260 --> 00:43:01.899 Amanda Davis: and they're they're kind of bringing it with them. All that experience that they've done, and then it could feed into. I mean, I trained as an economist, 1st and foremost, and then into set. So got the 3 degrees but the the economic side of it, I what I would do is a whole week's collapse timetable. 290 00:43:02.260 --> 00:43:19.650 Amanda Davis: and then bring all those different subjects as you talk to talked about before with the English and the science, and the you know you could really do a massive collapse timetable for a whole week on that, and involve all the year sevens as part of their transition. It'd be like their induction week. 291 00:43:20.070 --> 00:43:22.410 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, no fantastic idea. 292 00:43:22.410 --> 00:43:43.589 Amanda Davis: You know, and that way, then the pyramid of schools. I don't know how your pricing would work, whether you would see that as a cheeky move, but whether that would then make it much more affordable, because they usually having to buy or or fund some sort of induction a transition program, anyway. So and if it was the whole Academy. 293 00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:48.929 Amanda Davis: then it would be a way of the schools communicating across a shared project. 294 00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:59.269 Amanda Davis: and the teachers being trained together, and and it's just a common currency for th the whole emotional roller coaster of coming to a big new school. 295 00:43:59.620 --> 00:44:08.610 Amanda Davis: And you've got something in common that you can kind of share experiences around and come with that confidence that you've run your own shop in primary. 296 00:44:08.850 --> 00:44:13.479 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, no, no, it's that's a great idea. I'm not sure how I would. 297 00:44:14.630 --> 00:44:23.680 Lizzie Gimblett: I mean, I guess that with the feeder primaries is that all quite structured? Is there a sort of way to communicate that? Or. 298 00:44:23.680 --> 00:44:44.690 Amanda Davis: Yeah, there's there's nearly always a teacher in a secondary school who's got the the responsibility of doing of transition. So it could be that you've got a science teacher, maths teacher, and an English teacher, for example, all all being transition teacher. Or it could be that you've just got the one, and they they tend to go out in the 299 00:44:45.020 --> 00:44:59.199 Amanda Davis: in the spring or summer terms, and do some sample lessons with their primary schools, so that they met the teacher before they transition up to high school. So th there is. There is already 300 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:10.339 Amanda Davis: some resource dedicated to making transition. A a more comfortable, a more fluid situation in schools. 301 00:45:10.430 --> 00:45:14.440 Amanda Davis: So I think. You know, that's some resource that could then be used 302 00:45:14.830 --> 00:45:15.820 Amanda Davis: across. 303 00:45:16.180 --> 00:45:16.950 Lizzie Gimblett: It's a really. 304 00:45:16.950 --> 00:45:18.090 Neal Whipp: That resource 305 00:45:18.790 --> 00:45:19.340 Neal Whipp: and. 306 00:45:19.340 --> 00:45:19.860 Amanda Davis: Nearly so. 307 00:45:20.460 --> 00:45:47.670 Amanda Davis: It's it's part and parcel of a teachers. Job is that particularly when you're when you're qualified. And you're going into the sort of upper, you know. You go through threshold and and you're an a senior teacher. Then especially then, to keep that seniority point, you usually have some extra responsibilities, and one of those, or maybe 3 of those members of staff will have this as something they've got to do as part of their day job. 308 00:45:48.394 --> 00:45:56.930 Amanda Davis: So what will happen is it will get resourced by maybe a cover teacher covering them for the morning that they're out at the primary school, or something like that. 309 00:45:57.380 --> 00:45:59.710 Neal Whipp: Sounds wonderful to me at the moment, because 310 00:45:59.770 --> 00:46:03.700 Neal Whipp: I'm here because we've created something called Bromyard Mad Show. 311 00:46:03.720 --> 00:46:11.909 Neal Whipp: and that is dedicated to exactly what this presentation is about, and that is getting children to understand 312 00:46:11.930 --> 00:46:31.726 Neal Whipp: climate change issues and to make a difference to contribute to them. And therefore not be afraid of of climate change by the time 2050 comes and they're voting in the General election. We've got all of the 7 feeder schools into the secondary school in Bromyard as part of our group. 313 00:46:32.090 --> 00:46:55.560 Neal Whipp: and we are carrying out a survey of all the families, and we're doing that survey every year for the next 7 years, so we can see hopefully changes in lifestyle attitudes by the families, as they will become more aware of how they can make a difference. So this is absolutely Evan sent to me. So if I could have your contact details afterwards, then rest assured we'll be in touch. 314 00:46:55.730 --> 00:46:58.549 Amanda Davis: Is that Lizzie, or myself, or both, or. 315 00:46:58.550 --> 00:47:09.139 Neal Whipp: You. You know you. You've mentioned the transition aspect, and that is key to me, because anything that helps bring you've got a very, very supportive head at the secondary school. 316 00:47:09.577 --> 00:47:24.229 Neal Whipp: And certainly the transition that you're talking about, which is all these these problems are new to me. But you, you obviously know and understand that that that issue and it's 1 i'd love to know more about. 317 00:47:24.830 --> 00:47:32.500 Amanda Davis: Yeah, I've been a secondary school maths teacher for 15 years, and then for the last 10 years I've been doing more about. 318 00:47:32.600 --> 00:47:37.749 Amanda Davis: I'm a political economist. So everything about the public sector and how to make it work better. 319 00:47:38.137 --> 00:47:56.199 Amanda Davis: So I used to be a hospital manager as well, and merged hospitals and this sort of thing. So. But I don't wanna hijack Lizzy. Session. It's really how to enable Lizzie's work and mine is just an example of where I think straight away. It might work well. 320 00:47:57.110 --> 00:47:58.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Did I just 321 00:47:58.680 --> 00:48:02.209 Graham Stoddart-Stones: can I just drop, move, just unmute that. 322 00:48:10.015 --> 00:48:10.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm 323 00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:25.583 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I always swear by people have windows, computers, because they don't work all the time, and here I am, having trouble with a Mac. Dreadful that was stirring stuff, Lizzie. I just wanted to say that. 324 00:48:26.350 --> 00:48:50.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There is a chat facility in zoom, and if people put their email addresses in there, then the chat becomes part of the presentation on the wiki, where all these chat sessions or banter sessions go. So if you want to exchange email addresses, or you want to be recorded as as being here. By all means, please just stick your email address in the the chat system. 325 00:48:50.450 --> 00:48:51.999 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that really helps 326 00:48:52.555 --> 00:49:08.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the question I had, Lizzie was, I can imagine you have issues with being over subscribed for this. The children will, I'm sure, be falling over themselves to help out. Do you ever have schools where, in fact, there there is not the success to keep it going. 327 00:49:09.630 --> 00:49:15.790 Lizzie Gimblett: We've had a couple of schools, one where it started. Well, but it was 328 00:49:16.350 --> 00:49:28.760 Lizzie Gimblett: mainly the staff that were engaged, and that's where I've gone back to the Council and said, You know how about a loss leader product? If this is about cost, can we reduce one product 329 00:49:28.850 --> 00:49:44.899 Lizzie Gimblett: and see if that will bring in the parents who aren't engaging. Very well, but you know, for the most part that's that's just not the case. It's not. It's not a complete silver bullet. It's we do surveys. And at the start 330 00:49:44.900 --> 00:50:02.205 Lizzie Gimblett: our surveys are well responded to, and we have about 95 96% of respondents saying they would like a school refill shop. And if you drill into the tiny percentage that don't, it's very often that they they refilled last week, and they're worried about their local refill shop, which is very admirable. 331 00:50:02.650 --> 00:50:28.160 Lizzie Gimblett: but that conversion rate doesn't then convert to people shopping at the refill shop. And so, you know, it's it's it's a job for the marketing team to really get behind making them aware of it and persuade them to come along. And I think you know, we all know that there is a big difference between saying you want to do something and actually doing it. So but there are many things that play into that 332 00:50:28.464 --> 00:50:41.270 Lizzie Gimblett: but no, for the most part they they do well, and the the children are engaged, and if they're not engaged they can swap out, and someone else can come in. It's you know. It's it's never going to 333 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:49.419 Lizzie Gimblett: be an ideal fit for everyone. But, as as I said, there are some children that do surprise the teachers, which is some always great to hear. 334 00:50:49.420 --> 00:50:59.369 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I think it's wonderful for them the children to learn how to cope with issues arise. So you know, if someone tries to swipe a credit card and it doesn't get approved. 335 00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:07.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then they would run into that as a an issue that they're gonna have to late deal with in life. And how do you cope with that and that sort of thing? I think it's brilliant 336 00:51:08.195 --> 00:51:19.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: one last practical question. If you have sort of a session once every 2 weeks, or once a month. Something. How long does it last for? And is it only at the end of the day? No one does it at the start of the day, drop off night. 337 00:51:19.970 --> 00:51:39.000 Lizzie Gimblett: Some schools do it at the start of the day, and again that kind of comes back to not being too prescriptive. They can do it when they want to do it. Secondary schools might do it during the day. Because that's selling mainly to staff and themselves. Although we've got one that set up a pop up shop at their local primary school. 338 00:51:39.450 --> 00:52:01.996 Lizzie Gimblett: they generally sell 500 millil refills to start with. But then, if people want to refill more, they are welcome to, and they will organize themselves. And you know, maybe they'll refill Elita the next time, or sometimes people bring along very odd volumes that need refilling, and that calculate comes out and the children solve a problem. So 339 00:52:02.570 --> 00:52:23.650 Lizzie Gimblett: but people realize that they need to stock up for the shop, but they they kind of, and that's a little bit of extra effort for the environment. It's some we cannot carry on at the rate we're going producing things that we really don't care about. Just because it's a tiny bit more convenience. That's that's the 340 00:52:23.650 --> 00:52:40.059 Lizzie Gimblett: the the the crux of it, I think, from from my perspective. And I think so many people get that. And, you know, bewildering at the moment that the election doesn't seem to be touching on, and I'm not going to politicize this. But I I'm not hearing nearly enough about what we're doing for the environment. But people 341 00:52:40.070 --> 00:52:50.333 Lizzie Gimblett: do get that you know they they do get that. We need to do more for the environment. And this unlocks the opportunity to do that. And 342 00:52:51.190 --> 00:53:03.800 Lizzie Gimblett: I I think that that is massively misunderstood by the people who are wanting to lead us, who are leading us. It's people want to do more is, how do we make that A a realistic 343 00:53:03.890 --> 00:53:17.479 Lizzie Gimblett: opportunity for them? And and at the moment the offer is not doing that. So so they're happy. Sorry to get back to your question, Grant. They're happy to stock up because that that's how this works. 344 00:53:17.710 --> 00:53:28.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right. And the the last question I have is, are you happy for us to go ahead and recommend this to schools that we're familiar with or around about this. We just go ahead and spread the word for you. 345 00:53:28.190 --> 00:53:30.729 Lizzie Gimblett: That would be amazing. Thank thank you very much. Yes. 346 00:53:30.730 --> 00:53:35.689 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, that's that's answered my questions. Let me pass on to Mervyn, who's next in line. 347 00:53:35.690 --> 00:53:39.740 Lizzie Gimblett: And Stewart as well. I know you've been waiting patiently. I'm so sorry. 348 00:53:39.740 --> 00:53:42.229 Stuart Withington: Thank you. I i i 349 00:53:42.530 --> 00:53:44.842 Stuart Withington: think it's absolutely fantastic. 350 00:53:45.830 --> 00:53:51.239 Stuart Withington: More power to you. I'd like to know how long you've been doing this for? 351 00:53:52.060 --> 00:53:57.970 Stuart Withington: And is there any follow up on the pupils who have been involved in the project? 352 00:53:59.260 --> 00:54:01.749 Stuart Withington: Does does it affect them in later life? 353 00:54:02.358 --> 00:54:12.449 Lizzie Gimblett: That's a lovely question to be able to answer, and sadly, I can't. You know, pupils, profit is tiny, and having that ability to follow up is some 354 00:54:12.610 --> 00:54:13.960 Lizzie Gimblett: is is 355 00:54:14.340 --> 00:54:19.060 Lizzie Gimblett: not something that we can currently do. 356 00:54:19.090 --> 00:54:26.700 Lizzie Gimblett: What I I what was the 1st part of the question? The the follow up is is 357 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:33.200 Lizzie Gimblett: very, very difficult. That that's more done through the skills builder partnership who are a big organization and they can track 358 00:54:33.836 --> 00:54:48.540 Lizzie Gimblett: the ability to use the transferable skills and the confidence. So in that sense, you know, there is research supporting confident use of transferable skills, equals wage premium but we don't have it at an individual level 359 00:54:48.830 --> 00:54:49.590 Lizzie Gimblett: at night. I mean. 360 00:54:49.590 --> 00:54:50.090 Stuart Withington: A. 361 00:54:50.090 --> 00:54:50.710 Lizzie Gimblett: Breaking down. 362 00:54:50.710 --> 00:54:53.410 Stuart Withington: Nice to know how many of these actually go off 363 00:54:53.963 --> 00:54:56.380 Stuart Withington: work with the environment or 364 00:54:56.450 --> 00:54:59.210 Stuart Withington: take climate change more seriously? Or 365 00:55:00.122 --> 00:55:03.949 Stuart Withington: does it affect what they do in the future, basically. 366 00:55:04.230 --> 00:55:09.929 Lizzie Gimblett: That's such a. It's a lovely question. And I think with the new web platform, you know. That will 367 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:18.290 Lizzie Gimblett: be somewhere that people could come back to, and you know, tell us what you did with this is is is a great 368 00:55:18.510 --> 00:55:34.300 Lizzie Gimblett: feedback section, if if they remember it funnily enough with tuck shop tuck shop does get talked about. And you say, Oh, I remember running the tuck shop. And so, you know, this is only the the idea started in 2,019, and then schools closed. So it's it's all relatively new. 369 00:55:34.300 --> 00:55:34.790 Stuart Withington: Right. 370 00:55:34.790 --> 00:55:48.090 Lizzie Gimblett: But I think because people talk so happily about school tuck shops in later years. There's no reason why they shouldn't also talk happily about this except it's refilling rather than eating so. 371 00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:51.720 Lizzie Gimblett: But you know, if something does 372 00:55:52.010 --> 00:55:55.620 Lizzie Gimblett: spark a thought. 373 00:55:55.710 --> 00:56:02.930 Lizzie Gimblett: you you tend to kind of hold that, don't you? So it would be a nice way to try and gather feedback 374 00:56:03.347 --> 00:56:05.850 Lizzie Gimblett: on the platform. So I show them. 375 00:56:06.080 --> 00:56:09.220 Lizzie Gimblett: Put that down feedback. Later years. 376 00:56:10.270 --> 00:56:19.089 Stuart Withington: Okay, thank you for that. And oh, just one final thing. We're we're about to build the brand new all through school in Essex. 377 00:56:20.260 --> 00:56:25.369 Stuart Withington: and I did notice you. You said you have been involved with Essex County Council. 378 00:56:25.370 --> 00:56:26.160 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes. 379 00:56:27.190 --> 00:56:31.329 Stuart Withington: So that might be a great opportunity to open another branch. 380 00:56:31.620 --> 00:56:39.296 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, no, no, absolutely. I'm not sure how long their funding is going to go on, for the current year is focused on 381 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.289 Lizzie Gimblett: year of numbers. 382 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:47.091 Lizzie Gimblett: and I know they've got less funding next year. But anyway, either way, let's let's stay in touch and 383 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.869 Lizzie Gimblett: and hopefully, that that would be great. 384 00:56:50.870 --> 00:56:59.980 Stuart Withington: And also this new school is on my daily cycle route. So it'd be great for me when our local refill shop close. 385 00:56:59.980 --> 00:57:01.370 Lizzie Gimblett: Perfect, nice. 386 00:57:01.370 --> 00:57:02.016 Stuart Withington: Thank you. 387 00:57:02.340 --> 00:57:04.430 Lizzie Gimblett: Want to put, Mervyn. 388 00:57:05.010 --> 00:57:07.110 Lizzie Gimblett: Would you like to ask your question? 389 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:23.019 mervyn head: Thank you very much. I will just throw one thing in at the start. Not for discussion, but for people to go away and have a look. If you want to look at funding from parish and town councils, look at section 1, 3, 7. As a mechanism that that's something to go away and look at. 390 00:57:23.532 --> 00:57:31.290 mervyn head: My question. I I've got a couple of questions, really. I think it's a great, really great project to get into schools. 391 00:57:31.894 --> 00:57:35.440 mervyn head: My 1st question is, how do you sell it? 392 00:57:36.120 --> 00:57:58.759 mervyn head: That's that's because schools, obviously, money is tight. Time is tight and space is tight. You've got to find some way to store all of this stuff. So that that's the 1st question. What if you are a business now? And you've got your sales representatives out in the community. How do you? How do you track what you selling? How? How do you sell it? That's the 1st question. 393 00:57:59.030 --> 00:57:59.770 mervyn head: And 394 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:07.930 mervyn head: I I'm in Lincolnshire, and I'm a district counselor as as well as a parish councillor. 395 00:58:08.389 --> 00:58:17.329 mervyn head: In a previous life. Before the last election I had a seat on the Executive at District Council, and I was a member of the Lincoln Waste partnership. 396 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:23.029 mervyn head: which basically the 7 District Councils work with the County council for waste, reduction and platform. 397 00:58:23.260 --> 00:58:30.220 mervyn head: Now for me, that this, the the way that you can tackle this one, is through the waste 398 00:58:30.270 --> 00:58:39.239 mervyn head: part of County councils. You forget whatever they are, because this is about reduction and reuse, which is, which is a big thing 399 00:58:39.775 --> 00:58:48.574 mervyn head: and obviously here in Lincoln it's County Council that's responsible for the education. It's nothing to do now with with District Council. So I I'm just interested. 400 00:58:48.990 --> 00:58:57.200 mervyn head: I can see a way of selling it through the waste side, get the waste partnership, and and the chairman of the waste partnership who's a county councillor 401 00:58:57.230 --> 00:59:00.180 mervyn head: to try and sell that through the County Council. But 402 00:59:00.530 --> 00:59:12.320 mervyn head: how is this actually sold? I can see the benefits of it. But somebody has got to say, Yes, okay. We will devote the time, the effort, and the money, and they're always at very, very tight premiums. 403 00:59:12.660 --> 00:59:20.649 Lizzie Gimblett: Well as as you said, the the waste team are very keen on it. The work we're doing in Essex is the education team 404 00:59:20.710 --> 00:59:23.519 Lizzie Gimblett: and so you know, that's 405 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.340 Lizzie Gimblett: something that we we just work 406 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:35.530 Lizzie Gimblett: relationships to, you know, get in touch with more councils and 407 00:59:35.610 --> 00:59:36.690 Lizzie Gimblett: find 408 00:59:37.030 --> 00:59:55.620 Lizzie Gimblett: the people that we should be speaking to that are interested in this. And and there are a lot of people that that are interested. It seems to capture the imagination. And with schools, I think it's really about making the information available. And and there are schools that love what this does. 409 00:59:55.810 --> 00:59:57.990 Lizzie Gimblett: And I think that's 410 00:59:58.070 --> 01:00:00.180 Lizzie Gimblett: that's the reaction that 411 01:00:00.220 --> 01:00:04.719 Lizzie Gimblett: they they need to have. I completely see that the budgets are strapped. 412 01:00:05.109 --> 01:00:12.020 Lizzie Gimblett: And that's where the work with councils. You can take the cost of the training and the cost of the 413 01:00:12.740 --> 01:00:29.300 Lizzie Gimblett: opening. Stop package. And you say, Okay, well, we're going to gather data for the council, and then the Council will invest in that invest in data collection, and and it makes it free for the school. So that's that's 1 approach. But where schools are passionate about it. 414 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:40.059 Lizzie Gimblett: they are happy to work with us. Most of our work comes through councils, but schools do get in touch. So that's that's kind of how we're going about it at the moment. 415 01:00:40.670 --> 01:00:42.020 mervyn head: So. So I mean, I 416 01:00:42.180 --> 01:00:59.399 mervyn head: I can sell this to the, to the waste partnership because I I don't have a problem because I I know the people that I need to talk to to do that. And so the mechanism for them would be then, presumably to contact you, to look at what you've done in other areas, and how this thing works. 417 01:00:59.700 --> 01:01:00.080 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes. 418 01:01:00.080 --> 01:01:11.609 mervyn head: I mean there. There are a number of schools in my district that are really would be really, really keen on this. So I've got one in my ward that's really very much into the environmental issues. Great great little school. 419 01:01:12.020 --> 01:01:18.750 mervyn head: and I. I can see that the headmistress they would be very, very interested in that. So for me. Now then. 420 01:01:18.830 --> 01:01:22.690 mervyn head: when I go away from this session now. 421 01:01:23.640 --> 01:01:32.299 mervyn head: I will sell this through the Lincoln Waste partnership and get them to promote that, because I think this is something with with dovetail really nicely into work. 422 01:01:33.040 --> 01:01:34.179 mervyn head: and they've got money. 423 01:01:34.550 --> 01:02:02.720 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, yeah, no. And that well, that's exactly right. That's that's the the ideal way forward, because the school budgets are tiny and you know, if it can be provided free of charge, then that means that they're much more likely to take it up. And yeah, they just don't for the most part don't have a lot of money, and the ones that will get the most benefit out of it if you like. The will be the ones that where the children? 424 01:02:03.020 --> 01:02:15.600 Lizzie Gimblett: Well, certainly the schools with less money. It. It's perhaps arguably more important to give the skills education so you know, making it free of charge. Answers that as well. 425 01:02:19.230 --> 01:02:20.820 Lizzie Gimblett: Oh, you're on mute still. 426 01:02:20.820 --> 01:02:24.830 mervyn head: I was. Gonna say, thank you very much indeed for that. It's absolutely brilliant. Thank you very much indeed. It was lovely. 427 01:02:24.830 --> 01:02:26.159 Lizzie Gimblett: Pleasure. Thank you. 428 01:02:28.040 --> 01:02:30.662 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Amanda, I think you're next. And then Wendy. 429 01:02:30.990 --> 01:02:42.310 Amanda Davis: Thank you. I put a couple of things in the chat that, Lucy. I wonder whether I could just point them out. One is that it could in terms of the impact of this. 430 01:02:43.129 --> 01:02:50.799 Amanda Davis: It might be possible that if you worked with a university that have teacher training 431 01:02:51.380 --> 01:02:57.800 Amanda Davis: base. There. It could be a master's in education student research project, perhaps 432 01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:05.409 Amanda Davis: certainly an interesting area that could be quite exciting for the right 433 01:03:05.520 --> 01:03:21.989 Amanda Davis: student. But you know these are teachers who are teaching, but they might introduce it into their school and then be able to do some sort of research around the longevity or setting up a structure that you could then use to give to schools to track 434 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:30.000 Amanda Davis: progress through. It's just a thought. But I really wanted to ask whether you're aware of the National Numeracy champion program. 435 01:03:30.060 --> 01:03:31.959 Amanda Davis: It's a national programme. 436 01:03:32.410 --> 01:03:33.330 Lizzie Gimblett: No. 437 01:03:33.330 --> 01:03:37.530 Amanda Davis: Okay. So this year is the year of national Numeracy championship. 438 01:03:38.040 --> 01:03:53.049 Amanda Davis: And it's basically about demystifying maths. And for anybody who who's got that feeling of oh, I can't do math, or I was never any good at school, or I can't help my kids with that, or it's holding me back in my career. 439 01:03:53.220 --> 01:04:05.189 Amanda Davis: Or I, I really, you know, is that thing about being caught out or being caught short with your maths confidence and just feeling a lot more confident in your numeracy skills in general. 440 01:04:05.540 --> 01:04:25.759 Amanda Davis: And so Gloucestershire County Council, for example, has got an officer at County Council who's responsible for the coordination of our local champions in Gloucestershire. I'm 1 of them, and there's a national person who I could put you in touch with. 441 01:04:25.820 --> 01:04:27.520 Amanda Davis: and I'm just thinking that 442 01:04:27.570 --> 01:04:38.820 Amanda Davis: put, you know you can see the link there that it's a very practical thing that you're doing. And that's just something that you've got to problem solve in order to get where you want to be 443 01:04:39.180 --> 01:04:59.359 Amanda Davis: so. It's not maths per se. It's maths. In order to run the shop in order to save the planet in order to have fun with your school friends, you know it's it's all of these things that maths is just one of the ways of achieving it. So that's the sort of thing we want to see more of and to champion more 444 01:04:59.767 --> 01:05:09.140 Amanda Davis: and I know that they will have got most of their years budget spent, but nevertheless, to get you that conversation that might then have national reach. 445 01:05:10.008 --> 01:05:16.549 Amanda Davis: And it's a way of involving the parents, the family, the grandparents, the the whole community 446 01:05:16.820 --> 01:05:23.760 Amanda Davis: with youngsters and their maths. And that's exactly what national numeracy championship program is all about. 447 01:05:24.130 --> 01:05:45.557 Amanda Davis: And anybody else on the call who's not from Gloucestershire. Please do. Also, if you're interested, find out in your area about national numeracy and champions, it's called the multiply program in Gloucestershire. So I'm not quite sure where multiply the brand and national Numeracy championship comes in. But 448 01:05:46.140 --> 01:05:59.100 Amanda Davis: I've heard both of them mentioned in Gloucestershire, and the other the other point I wanted to raise quickly, cause I realize I'm using up a lot of time is I'm an elected director at Mid County's cooperative. 449 01:05:59.220 --> 01:06:06.440 Amanda Davis: as with all co-ops. We're very keen on our environment and and our support in communities. 450 01:06:06.470 --> 01:06:16.350 Amanda Davis: And we've we've got a new way of funding communities for progress in these areas. And that's all doing good together Fund. 451 01:06:16.630 --> 01:06:26.579 Amanda Davis: We haven't made our 1st awards yet, but basically the 1,000 points of everybody's you know how you used to have the old dividend 452 01:06:27.011 --> 01:06:41.670 Amanda Davis: the divvy stamps. And what have you when you shopped at the Co-OP? And now you you get points? So it used to be that those points became money. But now it's that those points are going into a fund. The 1,000 points go into a fund called doing good together. 453 01:06:41.790 --> 01:06:46.069 Amanda Davis: And one of the things we're looking at is how in our community we can achieve 454 01:06:46.150 --> 01:06:59.009 Amanda Davis: lots of bigger things that might need some pump priming, and then can be sustainable thereafter. So that's and I just wonder with us being a supplier, as well, whether there might be a conversation to be had 455 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:06.000 Amanda Davis: in relation to sourcing products, and actually having some sort of partnership, even. 456 01:07:06.630 --> 01:07:07.500 Lizzie Gimblett: Extension. 457 01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:11.829 Amanda Davis: It's a long, big, very big kind of wild card, but it's just a 458 01:07:12.310 --> 01:07:13.260 Amanda Davis: a thought. 459 01:07:13.630 --> 01:07:18.789 Lizzie Gimblett: Yes, thank you. Thank you. That's very interesting. You know, always 460 01:07:18.930 --> 01:07:22.720 Lizzie Gimblett: keen for support. Certainly the 1st idea pumping 461 01:07:22.740 --> 01:07:30.189 Lizzie Gimblett: points towards something that helps the community is, is really excellent in terms of. 462 01:07:30.350 --> 01:07:44.229 Lizzie Gimblett: I don't know if becoming a supplier would undermine that in any way, because the points would be going towards something that you were benefiting from, in a in a sense. But I anyway, so certainly something we could discuss further. 463 01:07:45.330 --> 01:07:47.757 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Would I ask, Wendy if you'd like to go now. 464 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:55.920 Wendy Thomson: Was very. It was back to the actual practicalities of the the shop and the operation of the shop. 465 01:07:55.990 --> 01:08:02.610 Wendy Thomson: So I'm assuming you're dealing with cash and card payments. So how do you 466 01:08:02.620 --> 01:08:10.599 Wendy Thomson: manage that? Is it? Do you need to set up a separate account for just for that, or does it go into some other account. 467 01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:29.636 Lizzie Gimblett: Oh, I love these questions. So different, for everywhere. Schools opt. Do they want cash or card, or both? What we would recommend is that they have. If they do use the card. Reader, just in case there's a technology fail, something goes wrong. Have some cash. 468 01:08:31.300 --> 01:08:50.695 Lizzie Gimblett: it. It varies. It seems to be more of a problem in academies to find accountants to point the card readers at. They need an account to point the card reader at sometimes the Pta kindly steps in and says you can point it at one of our accounts, and it becomes a pta sub account. So 469 01:08:51.130 --> 01:08:57.810 Lizzie Gimblett: that's that's the option. But in schools that aren't academies they seem to find ways to make that work. 470 01:08:58.191 --> 01:09:20.670 Lizzie Gimblett: It's it's 1 of those questions that invariably gets solved. We have obviously a network of schools. And, funnily enough, last term on the optional Whatsapp, I put out a question about exactly that because I didn't know what the solution was, but I was sure somebody would know what the solution might be, and so they were able to offer it 471 01:09:20.670 --> 01:09:38.388 Lizzie Gimblett: as a have you thought about this and that turned out to be their solution? So those sorts, all, all I can tell you is the solutions do get found. But every school is different. So it's, it's sometimes quite difficult to be very prescriptive about it. 472 01:09:39.300 --> 01:09:47.230 Lizzie Gimblett: but yes, that's it needs to point at an account, and the Pta account seems to be the fallback solution. If there isn't suitable school account. 473 01:09:48.270 --> 01:10:10.240 Wendy Thomson: Sounds great. I'm just gonna get a plugin for what I do. I'm literally after this call, putting together an order I've just received to refill my local shiny goodness in Nailsworth with some cleaning vinegar. So that's what my small businesses when he goes green. So I'm literally, I was really excited about this, because I had 474 01:10:10.240 --> 01:10:16.190 Wendy Thomson: also, during the Covid years, tried to contact local universities to get 475 01:10:16.190 --> 01:10:40.859 Wendy Thomson: older students involved in setting up their own shop, and I was trying to get funding from some of the bigger businesses in Gloucestershire. I didn't succeed. I tried eccentricity. I tried super dry, and whatever. And they just went interested in a local little woman like me trying to sort out something like this. So I'm not giving up. I have got some other avenues, and I'm inspired by what you've done it 476 01:10:41.370 --> 01:10:56.969 Wendy Thomson: this level. And I I can see possibilities of of getting more information from Amanda, because we're both in Gloucestershire to say, look, yeah, let's see what we can do locally to spread this. But thank you. It's been a really interesting talk today. 477 01:10:57.270 --> 01:11:00.039 Lizzie Gimblett: Thank you very much. Absolute pleasure. 478 01:11:00.734 --> 01:11:04.799 Lizzie Gimblett: I'll put my email in. Should I put my email in the chat as well? Graham. 479 01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:05.526 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, please. 480 01:11:05.890 --> 01:11:07.732 Lizzie Gimblett: Yeah, let me do that now. 481 01:11:09.070 --> 01:11:25.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And wh. While you're doing that, I'll just check to see if anyone else needs to ask any further questions. And I didn't see any hands shooting up. So let me say, Lizzie, that was absolutely brilliant. I echo Wendy that it was fascinating. Quite 482 01:11:25.570 --> 01:11:45.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones: more involved than I thought it would be in terms of the use for the the the schools and the children, and everything else, and I appreciated the wider range you gave of what happens. I think that you know that the question of tracking where the children go and what the impact is from Stuart would be. I would have thought it was a great 483 01:11:46.650 --> 01:12:01.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: either a masters or a Phd. In education to see what the impact is down the road 5 years or 10 years that somebody is, it could pick up and see where it went. I don't suppose you keep any records of who's been at doing what? At which school. 484 01:12:02.110 --> 01:12:10.703 Lizzie Gimblett: No, we we steer clear of that personal information. That's something that the school would be able to do. So I think it would be more 485 01:12:11.500 --> 01:12:19.199 Lizzie Gimblett: you know, having a little has this inspired you? Come back and tell us if it changes, how 486 01:12:19.820 --> 01:12:22.310 Lizzie Gimblett: your future pans out 487 01:12:22.410 --> 01:12:29.719 Lizzie Gimblett: that kind of appeal to people that they might just remember, and they might just come back and find the website. And they might just be able to 488 01:12:29.810 --> 01:12:33.129 Lizzie Gimblett: offer that in the fullness of time. 489 01:12:33.450 --> 01:12:42.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think it'll be a lot more surreptitious. I think you'll have the the kingdom of traders becoming even better at being a king of traders just because you've been working at it. 490 01:12:42.816 --> 01:12:43.483 Lizzie Gimblett: So. 491 01:12:44.150 --> 01:12:50.469 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Lizzie so much. It was a wonderful session really enjoyed it, and I'll say thank you to everybody for coming 492 01:12:50.500 --> 01:12:53.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and see you all next time. Please take care. 493 01:12:54.812 --> 01:12:55.750 Stuart Withington: Please. Pretty good. 494 01:12:55.750 --> 01:12:59.099 Lizzie Gimblett: It's it's in the chat. Thank you very much. Thank you. 495 01:12:59.100 --> 01:12:59.510 Amanda Davis: Thank you. 496 01:12:59.510 --> 01:13:00.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Care, all bye, bye.

Banter 21: Child-led,Eco-refill workshops, 29May24, Lizzie Gimblett

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