Andrew shows two examples of very different buildings- a Grade 1 listed building in Newark, Notts, and a very un-listed building in Banwell, Somerset - and uses them to display the process to follow
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The meeting focused on climate change, retrofitting for local councils, and energy efficiency considerations for community buildings. The attendees discussed various aspects of renewable energy, including solar panel installations, air source heat pumps, and insulation, as well as the challenges of funding for local projects and the potential for higher returns on energy investments. The meeting also covered the importance of future-proofing energy sources, planning constraints for solar panel installations, and the need for careful evaluation of each building's specific needs and circumstances when implementing energy-saving measures.
Graham to look up and provide the manufacturer and model details of the heat pumps used in Long Sutton to Gary.
Graham to add the link for CSCO (Community Solar Co-operative) to the wiki.
Steven from Center for Sustainable Energy to share information about their new survey offer for community buildings.
Andrew Maliphant to put a link to the latest funding guidance on the SLCC website in the chat.
Siobhan to consider applying for the Centrica Energy for Tomorrow fund for their community energy project in Sudbury, Suffolk.
Graham to confirm and communicate the topic and presenter for next week's meeting, pending David Morgan Jones' availability.
Climate Change Retrofitting for Local Councils
Andrew and Graham are hosting a meeting about climate change and retrofitting for local councils. They discuss the presentation materials, which include images from a 2023 study showing current and future-proof housing options. Graham mentions that hemp insulation has been recommended for his Grade 2 listed house. The hosts ask participants to rename themselves with their parish or organization name for easier identification. Several attendees join from various locations, including Martok and the Forest of Dean. The meeting is expected to have about 16 participants, and the hosts plan to share the presentation followed by a discussion where attendees can share their experiences.
Energy Efficiency in Community Buildings
Andrew presents an overview of energy efficiency considerations for community buildings, focusing on two case studies from a 2023 study. He discusses the decision-making process for councils, including assessing public support, available resources, and potential benefits. Andrew emphasizes the importance of future-proofing energy sources and highlights basic improvements such as insulation, double glazing, and efficient appliances. He also introduces new low-carbon technologies like LED lighting, heat pumps, and solar panels, noting their potential benefits and considerations. Andrew stresses the need for careful evaluation of each building's specific needs and circumstances when implementing energy-saving measures.
Solar Panel Installation Planning Constraints
Andrew discusses planning constraints for solar panel installations, particularly in conservation areas and on listed buildings. He mentions that Newark Town Council has made progress on this front, with solar panels being installed on a nearby grade one listed church. The council has also conducted an energy efficiency retrofit assessment for their town hall, categorizing potential improvements as easy, moderate, or difficult to implement. Andrew emphasizes the importance of considering neighboring buildings for solar panel installations, as demonstrated by Banwell's successful project on an adjacent scout hut. He concludes by outlining next steps for councils considering similar projects, including using available checklists and obtaining costed project plans from contractors. Graham then shares Long Sutton's experience with a large solar panel installation on their village hall, which has been financially successful and led to further energy efficiency improvements.
Heat Pump Installation and Energy Efficiency
Graham shares his experience with installing air source heat pumps and insulation in a village hall, which has significantly reduced energy costs and provided air conditioning. He emphasizes the efficiency of heat pumps, generating five times more heat than the energy they use. Graham also mentions the importance of regular radiator cleaning in older buildings and suggests considering pew heating for churches. He recommends using smart thermostats and adapters for better control of heating in individual rooms. Graham notes that planning authorities are becoming more lenient about solar panels on listed buildings due to climate change concerns. Lastly, he stresses the importance of Wi-Fi dongles on solar inverters for monitoring system performance.
Renewable Energy and Community Buildings
The discussion covers various aspects of renewable energy and community buildings. A council member mentions signing up with Rowan Technologies, which pays for renewable energy generation through blockchain-based carbon credits. Andrew Maliphant discusses the possibility of selling energy to neighboring buildings, noting current legal restrictions. Representatives from the Center for Sustainable Energy, Tess and Steven, offer advice on finding energy tariffs and mention their community buildings resources page. Steven also mentions that they are developing a paid survey service for groups looking for energy assessments of their buildings.
Retrofit Coordinators Face Challenges
In the meeting, Steven and Andrew discussed the challenges of retrofit coordinators in the domestic world, particularly the lack of a professional association and guidelines. Andrew suggested a potential collaboration to create a list of practitioners and consultants for various skills. Graham shared information about the manufacturer of their Edgeware heat pumps, Daikin, and the model number FTXS35. Andrew mentioned a conference where the issue of new inventions and their adoption by local governments was discussed. Garry expressed difficulties in finding funding for their medium-sized town hall due to lack of eligibility for various criteria.
Funding Challenges for Local Projects
Andrew Maliphant discussed the challenges of funding for local projects, noting that government funds are currently limited. He suggested that a steady fundraising process could keep ideas alive and take advantage of different funding opportunities. Andrew also mentioned the potential for increased precepts to fund projects, but emphasized that this should be done thoughtfully. He mentioned the ongoing debate about government plans for devolution in England, which could impact the role and funding of local councils. Garry added that parish councils may face difficulties in accessing certain funding sources.
Energy Investments and Community Projects
Graham discussed the potential for higher returns on energy investments, suggesting that wealthy individuals might be interested in such opportunities. He also mentioned an organization called Csco that could provide financing for solar panel and heat pump installations. Andrew Maliphant shared information about Centrica's support for community energy projects and the need to prepare for potential funding opportunities. The conversation ended with Graham promising to add a link to the Csco organization later.
Solar Panels Installation Challenges Discussed
Andrew Maliphant discussed the challenges of installing solar panels on roofs, particularly in cases where the structure may not support the weight. He mentioned a specific example from Banwell and the need for a structural survey in their community library building. Siobhan shared her experience with a community energy group in Suffolk, which received support from Historic England for solar panels on a listed church. Andrew also mentioned the Centric Fund and the possibility of breaking down funding requests into smaller packages. The conversation ended with Graham expressing uncertainty about the next meeting's topic due to a family situation.
00:35:12 Sally Adcock - Forest of Dean District Council: Thank you for letting me join - it has been useful hearing about the case studies. Unfortunately I need to go as have another meeting to attend.
00:44:46 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Stuart - any idea of approx operating cost of air-air pumps
00:45:48 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Octopus currently give you 15p
00:50:21 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Definitely looking for advice for Corsham Town Hall.
00:50:28 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: communities@cse.org.uk
00:51:58 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Long Sutton Village Hall air to air heat pumps: costs and installation £11,100; ceiling replacement and insulation £11,500 !!
00:52:03 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Replying to "Stuart - any idea of..."
The compressor is only 1kW so depending on your tariff approx. 24p/hr but does not run all the time when hits target temp
00:52:38 Natalie Fortt - Martock: that would be very helpful
00:53:39 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Daikin FTXS35-50K air registers for heat pumps
00:54:48 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: That Long Sutton cost for the heat pumps included three separate internal registers for heating the rooms
01:01:38 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: It's being run by Ashden and CSE is also a partner in the project, you may hear of funding opportunities through this...
01:03:09 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: I have to drop off, thanks all! Do reach out to communities@cse.org.uk for survey info and anything else :)
01:04:30 Natalie Fortt - Martock: Apologies, i have another meeting at 1pm. Very interesting though thank you. I am working on a CIL policy so definitely food for thought.
Note for thought: when retrofitting attics and empty spaces, a green solution is to use hemp: it's natural, renewable, has a good insulation factor, not overly flammable, flexible, long life
(Note that the original document is dated September, 2023)
Guidance on Carbon Saving Building Improvements
September 2023
Prepared by Future Leap consultancy in conjunction with the Society of Local Council Clerks (SLCC).
This guide helps local councils evaluate carbon-saving options and make informed decisions about improving their buildings. It includes:
A checklist of carbon-saving measures and prerequisites
Factors to consider in decision-making
Case studies from Banwell and Newark
Every council building faces unique challenges.
Consider both technical upgrades and behavioral changes.
Net-zero should be approached holistically (including how people use the building and commute).
All consumption activities (gas, electricity, travel, waste) produce carbon emissions unless renewable. Emissions can be reduced by:
Reducing consumption
Switching to renewable sources
Behavioral changes
Fabric improvements (micro/macro)
Low carbon technologies (micro/macro)
Services
Has a climate emergency been declared?
Is your council aiming to lead on climate action?
Is there public interest and support?
Are funds available or can the precept be raised?
Will changes reduce energy bills or improve community well-being?
Are there ethical or future-proofing considerations?
Newark Town Hall: Grade I listed; more info pending detailed survey and planning.
Banwell Youth & Community Centre: Explored solar panel feasibility; concerns over roof structure led to considering panel installation on an adjacent building.
Behavioral Changes
(see .pdf document above to get the tables from this section)
Climate emergency declared?
Leading on climate action?
Community support?
Funds available?
Grants accessible?
Precept increase viable?
Cost-saving potential?
Will it reduce bills?
Will savings cover costs?
Community co-benefits?
Ethically sourced equipment?
Systems banned after 2025?
Increased future electricity need?
Long-term cost avoidance?
Power to sell to grid?
Obstacles to behavioral change?
Resistance to supplier reviews?
Assessed current and projected energy use
Net-zero vs. excess energy generation
Explored battery storage and energy management systems
Considered infrastructure (single-phase vs. three-phase)
Reviewed structural concerns about solar panel installation
Alternative: install panels on adjacent building
146 00:11:32.310 --> 00:11:38.579 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay, is your own time. Start for now? Yes, right, let's get this going.
147 00:11:40.680 --> 00:11:44.900 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Why is it that the the zoom things always get in the way of what you want to do next.
148 00:11:44.900 --> 00:11:51.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Yeah, I know you have to lower your thing, your screen so you can find the slideshow option.
149 00:11:51.490 --> 00:11:52.250 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Right.
150 00:11:52.250 --> 00:11:52.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: No, that'.
151 00:11:52.590 --> 00:11:53.989 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Up to the very beginning.
152 00:11:54.946 --> 00:12:01.003 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Good afternoon. Just ladies and gentlemen. Graham and I are going to be sharing the honours today.
153 00:12:01.520 --> 00:12:12.650 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: most of what I'm going to say is based on a consultant report done for the society of Local Council clerks in 2023. And there's some updates on things that have happened since that time.
154 00:12:12.780 --> 00:12:29.490 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I'll include in the in the notes at the back a link. So you can go read the whole element for it, and then Graham has got some things to share, particularly about Long Sutton in Somerset, where there's been some similar work there that will be a lead into any experiences we have
155 00:12:29.650 --> 00:12:31.580 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: to share between. So
156 00:12:32.230 --> 00:12:38.680 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: the study in 2023 looked had case studies for 2 very different buildings. Here is the
157 00:12:38.810 --> 00:12:41.680 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: community centre at Banwell, in Somerset.
158 00:12:42.230 --> 00:12:47.090 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: and a lot of us will have buildings that are not of that sort of size, shape, and variety.
159 00:12:47.470 --> 00:13:04.099 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: but not many people will have something like this, which is a Georgian town Hall in Newark, in Nottinghamshire, built in 1766. So we had very much, if you like opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of public or community buildings that were looking at energy efficiency. What they might do about it.
160 00:13:04.670 --> 00:13:12.910 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So where we're talking about is the 1st thing that we would all have to do as local councils is, decide to do something.
161 00:13:13.030 --> 00:13:18.230 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: What are we going to do? Are we going to get into this issue of greater energy efficiency?
162 00:13:18.630 --> 00:13:44.219 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So again, more detail of this is in the report I'll put a link to at the end. But have we declared a climate emergency? Is there a groundswell of public support for what we're doing? This is going to be particularly useful and important. Of course, if what we're proposing to do, even though if it makes savings in future times is actually going to cost some capital money up front, so it's very good to be clear about where? What? Where? You are as a parish council, as a town council, as an area for this
163 00:13:44.640 --> 00:13:49.540 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: okay resources, ray do we have our own funds that might be used?
164 00:13:49.670 --> 00:13:56.449 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Is there a concern to reduce running costs? And therefore we're prepared to consider finding funds from elsewhere.
165 00:13:56.810 --> 00:14:01.639 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So obviously that there is an issue around deciding to do something, this issue around resources.
166 00:14:02.310 --> 00:14:10.720 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: And what about value for money? No, we can spend money. We can all spend money, but will what we are proposing, what we're talking about, change, reduce energy bills.
167 00:14:11.040 --> 00:14:14.919 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: and what other benefits might accrue? Are there other advantages from doing what we're doing.
168 00:14:15.330 --> 00:14:24.910 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So there's a number of things we can think about there. So those are the sorts of things that we can consider which feed into the original decision actually will go forward and look at this in in more detail.
169 00:14:25.900 --> 00:14:26.770 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So
170 00:14:27.020 --> 00:14:34.019 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: so that's a very broad opening statement. One of the things we might need to think about is future proofing our current energy sources.
171 00:14:34.230 --> 00:14:42.019 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: The new government is still working on what it's going to be saying about the future of gas.
172 00:14:42.140 --> 00:14:52.249 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: They've already sort of relaxed one or 2 issues around, whether we have to have gas boilers or gas cookers replaced by a certain time, or cannot be replaced after a certain time.
173 00:14:52.500 --> 00:15:00.449 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So sort of watch this space. On the left, you see some old style gas bloggers that were in the basement of Newark Town Hall.
174 00:15:00.900 --> 00:15:28.900 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I haven't had the latest information back from you. I've been trying to get it to discover what they would, without a tender to replace them. So I haven't got your picture of what they've got now, but that's what they had then on the right is something very familiar to site very familiar to us in rural areas. We're not on the gas network. Then, if we're not using electricity oil or lpg gas tanks such as this one are very common site. And that is one actually, that was at the back of
175 00:15:28.910 --> 00:15:32.339 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Landwell Community Center. That's what they've been working on before.
176 00:15:33.070 --> 00:15:41.479 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So there we are. So it's not just about looking at the present. That's not just about looking at resources and value for money. It's also about looking ahead.
177 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:53.069 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: What what do we is now? Might. Now, if we're going to make any major changes to our energy sources might now be a good time to do it for various reasons. So that's something else to be thinking about.
178 00:15:53.670 --> 00:15:54.580 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay.
179 00:15:55.010 --> 00:16:11.699 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So we're looking at our building. We're thinking about, what can we do about it. Switch off, switch off. I put that light out, switching off the lights and radiators. Some of this is is very regular stuff. Sometimes. Of course, we let these buildings out to lots of people that don't always pay attention to these details. But there it is.
180 00:16:12.033 --> 00:16:16.500 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: having a timer for the boys and heating system, so that they only come on and off at certain times
181 00:16:16.540 --> 00:16:40.789 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: managing the temperatures of the hot water storage. There's issues around hot water storage, and if it's above 60 degrees CI think there are health and safety concerns about that. So distributing at 50 degrees is meets a health and safety concern as well as energy savings. What about checking our system? Is it going to be working? All right? Let's make sure it's giving us our best opportunity.
182 00:16:40.790 --> 00:16:51.069 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: And there are other changes we might make, not not just about the building, but the other things that we do as as parish and town councils, but also in terms of procurement. Who are we going to buy
183 00:16:51.070 --> 00:17:06.949 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: services from? Is it not just about their technical expertise? It's just not about their prices, is it about? Do they also care about the impact of climate change? Do they also compare about energy efficiency? Are they the kind of people that we want to be encouraging and to work with
184 00:17:07.020 --> 00:17:14.390 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: so procurement. Policy is something that can come in terms of if you like. Our behavior changes as opposed to using of our buildings
185 00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:25.829 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: we may be able to find. I found this nice Pixabay if you haven't come across. It is a nice source of royalty, free images for use in presentations and things like that. There's a lovely one by a lady called Rosie Ziegler.
186 00:17:25.980 --> 00:17:42.230 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: and sometimes in a picture tells a thousand words. If we can find. If we want to get messages across and talk to people about, you know how they take care of when they're using our public building, we might look to find some sort of images like this which really make make the point in a very visual sort of way.
187 00:17:42.744 --> 00:17:50.070 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So, as I say, I can recommend Pixabay as a source for these kinds of images. But this one seems to be very appropriate to what we're talking about today.
188 00:17:51.180 --> 00:17:59.989 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Obviously, if you've got lots of hot water taps going on all the time, hot water taps dripping again, it's likely to be an increase of energy use on the back of that.
189 00:18:00.550 --> 00:18:01.420 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay.
190 00:18:02.310 --> 00:18:29.989 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Basic improvements to the building. What can we do? Worked double glazing or secondary glazing. I'm chairman of a community library in Metro Dean and Forester Dean Gloucestershire, built in 1983, and all the windows original windows were nicely secondary, glazed, sorry, double, glazed. But then, as an afterthought. There was a children's center added on to the side. So it looks like it was built at the same time they've only got single glazing.
191 00:18:30.410 --> 00:18:38.179 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So one of the things we're looking at there is adding secondary glazing to that particular part of the otherwise. You see, the heat just rushes out that end of the building.
192 00:18:38.620 --> 00:18:52.840 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: fixing tracks and holes. Yes, certainly insulating water pipes. Naturally, short objects are not blocking radiators. Sometimes we we may be spending a lot of heat in, and you're just not getting the benefit of it, because things are stopping the heat from circulating around.
193 00:18:53.170 --> 00:18:56.910 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: What about induction hobs for cooking in terms of what we've got.
194 00:18:57.020 --> 00:19:12.799 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Certainly, if we're going to switch from gas cooking to electric cooking, we can get some advice on one of the best things to be doing there, and wall, floor and roof insulation not always possible with every building, but obviously something to consider in each case. So there are things that we can look at
195 00:19:13.100 --> 00:19:27.119 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: to be doing. And, as I say, the study document that I'm going to give you a link at the end does give you a larger checklist where you can look at all these things in such detail. There's a bit of a picture from the case. Study report on Banwell.
196 00:19:27.770 --> 00:19:32.609 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yes, in terms of looking at the insulation. Yes, there was is insulation. You can see the
197 00:19:33.310 --> 00:19:36.399 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: more insulating panels going in there, and so forth.
198 00:19:36.520 --> 00:19:43.309 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: But if there are any gaps in the panels, you know, then, that can obviously reduce the effectiveness of any insulation, and so forth.
199 00:19:43.530 --> 00:19:57.169 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Again sounds obvious. But again, 2 things we can look at what insulation we've got already. But we can also say, if we're going to put some more in, let's make sure that it's done properly and effectively, and there's lots of gaps to allow heat to escape.
200 00:19:57.750 --> 00:20:02.680 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So some of this stuff is is sounds straightforward, but some of it is
201 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:14.000 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: is the question is, do we do it as counselors and parks? Do we hire somebody in to do it? How do we approach these things? And that's all going to be part of the decision in terms of what's practical in terms of cost and so forth.
202 00:20:14.340 --> 00:20:29.619 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Now then, new technology, low carbon technology led lighting. I think some of the old style lights. You can hardly buy them anymore, I think, partly due to government pressure. All the lights we can get in. Our shops tend to be the new led lights. In any case.
203 00:20:30.098 --> 00:20:37.549 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: sensor dependent lighting lights only come on when somebody enters the room. I think that's very been particularly useful for any public toilets, for example.
204 00:20:37.800 --> 00:20:43.180 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: again, sort of relatively simple stuff. But we all of these things can add up not only to
205 00:20:43.340 --> 00:20:46.260 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: reducing carbon emissions, but also saving us money
206 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:56.770 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: heat pumps. We know that there are government schemes for heat pumps. We know that again, this is something that doesn't work for every building we need to take advice whether it's an air source or ground source heat pump.
207 00:20:57.181 --> 00:21:09.430 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I won't say any more about that, because partly because I'm not expert, and partly because just to say we need to check, we're going to do these things, whether these things are really the right result for our particular community building
208 00:21:09.710 --> 00:21:15.670 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: solar panels there are. So there are solar panels, provided they're not in a
209 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.709 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: conservation area or on a listed building are
210 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:26.090 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: permitted development. All being well, we can. We don't need planning permission, put on solar panels, but we have to be thinking about.
211 00:21:26.270 --> 00:21:40.489 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: How do we manage it? How do we monitor that they're working, keeping them cleaning as well to make sure that the generation is high. I've got 4 panels on our sheds at the back of our house, and we haven't cleaned them lately. So this is a note to self going to get out there and clean them.
212 00:21:41.570 --> 00:21:48.540 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: What about the capital cost? With the money we can get back from exporting it. If we're not using
213 00:21:49.040 --> 00:21:52.640 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: electricity that we're generating because the building is closed.
214 00:21:53.290 --> 00:21:56.889 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: we can export it through our
215 00:21:57.730 --> 00:22:03.569 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: our energy supply energy supplier. Brand's going to say a bit more about that. Later on, in the presentation.
216 00:22:03.890 --> 00:22:21.319 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: different views of this. Sometimes we're saying, oh, we wouldn't do this unless we're recovering the money in so many periods of time. Another view of it is, it's saving running costs and reducing carbon emissions anyway. So, provided we've got the money, we should just go ahead and do it. So different views of that
217 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:46.020 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: cost comparison approach, and if you have battery storage, it's quite, very useful to have battery storage if we can, because that means some of the some of the electricity that we generate, that we're not using, we can actually keep and help us for in future times. So we're beginning to see once you're getting into some of these things about solar panels, heat pumps, and so forth. There's a number of factors that have an interplay.
218 00:22:46.020 --> 00:22:59.630 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: not only in terms of cost and practicality. But also, what are the savings? What are the benefits from having them? And it's going to be probably different from every building. We need to check it out, each time not assuming that the latest solution is going to be working.
219 00:23:00.360 --> 00:23:20.800 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: planning constraints. However, I mentioned that it's a permitted development, but it isn't permitted development on in conservation areas facing the road. In Mitre Dean, we have a conservation area in the High Street. The library is in the High Street, but we're going to have to put the panels on the back, which is fortunately the right side, anyway, for the sunshine, and we would have to make a planning application to have it on the front.
220 00:23:20.900 --> 00:23:32.119 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Newark Town Hall grade. One listed building. As you can see, it would have been ideal for solar panels, but certainly 2 years ago the conservation officers and the planning authority were not keen.
221 00:23:32.360 --> 00:23:35.489 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: even though people in the town could not see the panels
222 00:23:35.770 --> 00:23:44.130 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: from street level that they were very dismissive of of that idea being rather perhaps overprotected of the heritage.
223 00:23:44.150 --> 00:24:12.400 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: My perspective. We can put panels on Gloucester Cathedral in York Minster, then we can put them on other buildings as well. But there's sometimes there's a little local difficulty about. I'm hoping that Newark has managed to get around that for reasons I'll explain in a minute. But that can be an issue. If you've got a listed building, if it's in a conservation area, you may find that there's a planning issue to get across. Conservation officers, like all of us, tend to do their jobs in different ways. Planning inspectors seem to not work from the same.
224 00:24:12.460 --> 00:24:27.249 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Him sheet. When it comes to matters to do with climate change. Some people will. Some planning inspectors will like some things, some planning inspectors won't. It's my long term mission to persuade Government to make sure the planning inspectors will say the same thing every time. But there we go.
225 00:24:27.470 --> 00:24:32.710 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So that's something to be concerned about. Bit of an update from Newark that I've managed to acquire
226 00:24:33.320 --> 00:24:43.550 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: before I get over to RAM. They did look at placing solar panels on the back of the nearby church, which is also grade one listed. Now that's that project is now going ahead.
227 00:24:43.993 --> 00:24:53.069 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So I'm hoping that when I hear back from you at town Council that they've managed to get a different view from planners about their own Town Hall building. But we'll see
228 00:24:53.530 --> 00:25:17.710 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: a new boiler teller. You saw you a picture of the boiler that they had. So they made the energy again a bit of procurement. Here they made energy efficiency of the boiler big element in the way they assessed any bids, so that was clearly a part of the brief that they put out. They also asked the bid providers their own efforts on climate change. Are these people really up for what we're talking about? Do they know what we're talking about? Are they concerned? Companies? Are they the kind of people we want to do? Business with?
229 00:25:18.340 --> 00:25:27.029 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Town council also contracted an energy efficiency, retrofit assessment. And there's a link through from this panel. These slides will be available afterwards to the actual report
230 00:25:27.320 --> 00:25:56.949 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: reported August last year, and they had 4 sections of Australia. They talked about eliminate, which is about the behavioral change, changing habits. There's lots of detail they put in there mitigation. They had some studies and found some rooms in this big old town hall were being underheated. Some were being overheated. The ideas what they might do about that improvements, yes, insulation came into that section, and active, separate they had. There was a separate feasibility study of solar panels going on at that time, and I haven't been able to get find the
231 00:25:57.350 --> 00:26:08.569 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: results of that one yet, but that was an interesting breakdown of kind of the things they can do right. It's a big building, but some of these headings would probably apply to even the smallest community building.
232 00:26:09.330 --> 00:26:24.360 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: and and when they summarize the next steps or actions out of this report they mark them green, amber and red green being the simple, cheapest, easier ones to do, red being the ones that were more complicated or required more funds. Or what have you?
233 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:38.580 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So that's quite useful, really, so that we're saying, Oh, well, we could say to our councils, Look, there's some easy ones we can do. Let's get on with those, while we sort of raise money and look into the difficulties of some of the more complicated proposals.
234 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:44.749 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So that's a very interesting report to have to have a look at and and see what what we can get from that.
235 00:26:44.910 --> 00:26:48.110 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: No, I seem to have pressed an interesting button there. How did I manage that.
236 00:26:50.550 --> 00:26:52.640 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay, right?
237 00:26:53.600 --> 00:26:56.579 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Let's try it this way. Here's an aerial view of Newark.
238 00:26:57.320 --> 00:27:02.080 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: and we haven't got vertical around the room bottom. Right there. You can just see the Town Hall itself.
239 00:27:02.320 --> 00:27:22.239 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: but on the left is the church where they're putting the solar panels on. So that has been decided. Those are going on as we speak this year, so somebody has persuaded the planning authority. You can put solar panels on that church again. You can see that they'll be up there on the roof be hardly visible for anybody except in a helicopter, and that's part of a big
240 00:27:22.410 --> 00:27:37.430 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: what they call a reawakening of the parish church, Mary Magdalene. There's a lot of work going on in their inside as well as out, so I'm hoping that when I hear back from Newark that they've managed to persuade the planners. If you can have them on the church, we can have some on our town hall as well.
241 00:27:37.650 --> 00:27:40.229 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: But that's an interesting area of view.
242 00:27:42.620 --> 00:27:46.769 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay. So Banwell, in Somerset, what's the latest from there?
243 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:57.430 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So I got some quotes in from suppliers to put panels on the village hall roof, but the 3rd 2 of them said, Oh, that would be no problem. The 3rd one pointed out the roof that they had would not support the weight of the panels.
244 00:27:57.540 --> 00:28:02.370 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: It's an interesting roof. It was actually a metal roof. Here is a piece of kit.
245 00:28:02.580 --> 00:28:04.229 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So that was a problem.
246 00:28:04.610 --> 00:28:12.950 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: But then they found. They spoke to the scout hut next door, and they managed to put panels on the adjacent scout hut. So that was handy.
247 00:28:13.338 --> 00:28:25.259 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: That was good, because the scout up was a Very was a new energy, efficient building, anyway. And obviously the scouts were well up for this kind of discussion. So that was it? So? They still got their solar panels. But it was on the next door building
248 00:28:25.570 --> 00:28:42.139 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: that all worked well, and they got put in, put in another 2 batteries as well. So they've actually got, I think, 3 batteries in hall in that particular arrangement they did say back, and I hope Liz is with us yet. But a certificate of competence is something which you can get
249 00:28:42.640 --> 00:29:11.100 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: through an oral actually an oral exam. Funny enough if you've got a certificate of competence, then things make more straightforward. Because if you're dealing with electricity, something, perhaps, that councils may be concerned about, you know, staff counselors, contractors working with electricity. Banwell themselves did have such confidence. So if Liz is on the call, perhaps she can give us a bit more information on that. There's the link through to what the Government says about it.
250 00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:38.649 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So they found they paid for what they were with some community infrastructure levy which they managed to get in from the obviously from the local planning authority. What I say to everybody is, if you've got things in your parish or town that you want to get some planning game money from. For heaven's sake tell the planners now get it in there first, st before they start deciding to spend your money somewhere else, and they got some grants in North Somerset as well, which included paying for the battery. So that's where they got the funds.
251 00:29:38.670 --> 00:29:50.088 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: What they've achieved. Oh, here's a picture of the scout out in the question, which, as you can see, is a new building. You can see the community center buildings there on the left the brand new scout hut on the right,
252 00:29:50.980 --> 00:30:08.729 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: very close to each other, as you can see. There's a bit of an air review about it. Scout on the left community centre on the right. But you can see that there's 19 panels with 3 batteries coming off that system. Population of Banwell parish population 3,251,
253 00:30:09.020 --> 00:30:33.829 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: and, as I say, they found they could put the panels on the scout hut, and that's worked very well. So the message from there is not only about our planners, not only about our Grant funders, not only about sources of funding to buy our panels, electricity, from, what about our neighbors? Are there things that we can do with our neighbors which might help us move forward on this kind of thing?
254 00:30:35.310 --> 00:30:55.700 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So I've been talking about this next steps. So there's the link to the guide on Carbon Saving building improvements which published September 23.rd It's on the climate action page of Slcc website, future leap with the consultants that worked with us on that, and that has much more detail in terms of the checklist and things you can use to check out the situation at your own location.
255 00:30:55.820 --> 00:31:05.570 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So in terms of next steps, yes, we have to take. Do some research to inform the Council decision to go forward. We can use the checklist in that document to review the options for our building.
256 00:31:05.810 --> 00:31:14.900 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: We will want to get a book costed project plan. If we're going forward potentially from contractors. And naturally, of course, we might be looking at more than one contractor to give us some comparisons.
257 00:31:15.360 --> 00:31:25.300 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So that's a sort of gallop through those next steps. So experiences from other parishes, we'll open this out for other people to talk about just now. But I'm going to pass the button to Graham to talk about Long Sutton.
258 00:31:26.630 --> 00:31:39.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: And good afternoon to everyone. The bird's eye view of Long Sutton, which back in 2016, decided they were going to put solar panels on, and this is one of the larger
259 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:48.909 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: installations that I've seen. So 120 panels is what we paid for, and you can see them all there on both sides of the roof.
260 00:31:50.650 --> 00:32:07.159 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: they include the inverter as part of the installation, but there are no batteries at the moment, because back in 2016. The Battery development hadn't happened with the mass production that we've got nowadays for battery packs and Tesla power walls and that sort of thing.
261 00:32:07.300 --> 00:32:26.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: so no batteries. But this was for a village with a comparatively small population, so 550 buildings in Long Sutton. Not that many people, but it was done back in the days when you could get a feed-in tariff from the local energy supplier.
262 00:32:26.830 --> 00:32:41.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: and that was, it is generating about 6,000 pounds a year, so you can see that the whole thing was paid off by its own costs. Sorry energy earnings in 5 years.
263 00:32:43.910 --> 00:33:00.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: And it was all done by internal planning. Although the Village Hall is a completely separate organizational building from the Parish Council, the Parish Council has to provide the trustees and the trustees all agreed that the Parish Council money should
264 00:33:00.150 --> 00:33:02.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: provide the funding
265 00:33:03.190 --> 00:33:17.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: which they did from you know the preset the up to the preset that year, just to make sure they could cover the costs, and then over the next 5 years it was paid back, and then now the 6,000 pounds a year goes to the British Hall.
266 00:33:17.310 --> 00:33:25.139 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: which was very helpful, because it then meant that the Village Hall itself could be upgraded along the lines that
267 00:33:25.900 --> 00:33:39.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Andrew has just outlined. So they completely stripped out the ceiling of the entire village hall and and replaced all the insulation with the lay latest standards, and then put it all back again
268 00:33:39.510 --> 00:33:49.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: for anyone who's contemplating doing this. Just a little tip. There is an overhead projector hanging from the ceiling in this village hall.
269 00:33:50.030 --> 00:34:02.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: and they put it back fractionally out of place. So you cannot now adjust. There is insufficient room of error to adjust the overhead projector to to match the
270 00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:14.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: screen. So you've either got to move the projector or we've got to move the screen, whichever is the least expensive and difficult. But it's 1 of those tiny little things that no one ever thinks about to say to
271 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:28.159 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: the contractor. You've got to put it back in exactly the same place, and they failed usefully. However, the insulation has worked wonders, and therefore simultaneously we put in 2
272 00:34:28.580 --> 00:34:31.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: air, supplied heat pumps.
273 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:40.829 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: which you can just see on the right hand side of the building, midway along 2 little white blobs. They are the heat pumps
274 00:34:41.330 --> 00:35:05.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: for the building, and they are superb. 1st of all, the costs have come down of supplying the energy partially because of the insulation, but partially because the heat pumps are so efficient. Secondly, you now get air conditioning in the summer. And as our summers heat up, so that becomes more and more important if you're running all sorts of activities, individual. And this one is particularly active.
275 00:35:05.620 --> 00:35:13.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: So just it was really meant to be a positive story for everyone who's maybe considering doing this, it really did work
276 00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:23.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: in Long Sutton. It's a very successful installation. It's paid for itself. It's now generating quite a lot of cash for the Village Hall.
277 00:35:24.160 --> 00:35:28.990 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: and the energy bills are substantially reduced
278 00:35:29.470 --> 00:35:36.859 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: because of the insulation and the heat pumps heat pumps just for those of you who are considering doing them.
279 00:35:38.810 --> 00:35:47.739 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Fantastic! Insofar as they generate more 5 times more heat than the energy that they use generating it. Which is extraordinary, I find. But
280 00:35:47.870 --> 00:35:54.219 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: nevertheless, that's 1 of the factors is that they're very efficient, which is why a lot of push is being made to do heat pumps.
281 00:35:54.949 --> 00:36:03.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: It's a masterpiece of puzzlement to me why, they aren't included in the current planning instructions for new builds. Never mind.
282 00:36:03.750 --> 00:36:04.610 Stuart Bacon: This is very.
283 00:36:04.610 --> 00:36:19.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: The second thing, just to back up what Andrew was saying about radiators. We do have an issue with the local church which was built in the 12th century, and has stones and walls and everything to match, plus very high ceilings, huge amounts of air to heat.
284 00:36:19.950 --> 00:36:23.669 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: So we have a major problem with the oil fire central heating.
285 00:36:23.720 --> 00:36:41.549 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: One simple step that made a substantial difference was to go around with a vacuum cleaner and clean out all the radiators, which are tucked away neatly behind vented cabinets. But if you look inside the cabinets they're all full of dust and dirt. There's
286 00:36:41.550 --> 00:36:54.939 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: accumulated over the years. So an annual cleaning of the church radiators makes a difference, and also for people who are looking into their churches. There is a degree now of
287 00:36:55.260 --> 00:37:08.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: pew heating that you can get under seat heating, and apparently, if your bottom is warm enough, it doesn't matter to you too much how what the temperature of the air is. So I just pass that thought on to people.
288 00:37:10.860 --> 00:37:14.779 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: And just a couple of of the
289 00:37:15.460 --> 00:37:18.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: thoughts again, just to think about.
290 00:37:20.450 --> 00:37:25.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Andrew mentioned that saving water was a good way of reducing costs.
291 00:37:25.610 --> 00:37:50.859 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: So I was recently on a modern ship which had a sign by the Sinks in each cabin that said, Please turn off the water whilst you're brushing your teeth. You can save up to 17 litres a day by doing that which struck me as an enormously large number. But if people do just run the tap whilst they're brushing their teeth, that's an obvious area where we can change habits.
292 00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:57.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: And the other thing again, that I put into people who are considering these sort of upgrades
293 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: we've recently in our house, put in the hive
294 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:08.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: thermostats and heating system, which means that you can do everything on your smartphone.
295 00:38:08.240 --> 00:38:12.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: and the beauty of that is that if you put
296 00:38:12.630 --> 00:38:36.329 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: the appropriate adapters on your radiators, then you can turn the radiators in unused rooms off or back on again, just with your smartphone, which, if you are elderly and not so able to go zooming around the house, turning radiators on or off as people come and go. Then being able to do it nowadays with a smartphone is a huge advantage.
297 00:38:36.450 --> 00:38:53.629 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: and the beauty of the system is, if you're not cash rich at the start, then every time you get a spare 50 pounds you can add another one to another radiator. The system doesn't need any changes. You can just add what you're doing each time. So I throw that in as
298 00:38:54.050 --> 00:38:57.640 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: an idea that I hope, helps people
299 00:38:58.582 --> 00:39:07.657 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: and lastly, it's been my experience. A. I live in A in a listed house, and BA lot of the buildings around the the
300 00:39:08.650 --> 00:39:31.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Parish Council Buildings are listed buildings. The planning authorities around the country are varying hugely, as Andrew said, in what they will or will not accept but the general view, and certainly I think pressure is now being applied to people to say that. Never mind the conservatism.
301 00:39:31.700 --> 00:39:49.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: You've got to get the energy efficiency. You've got to get climate change under control. And so they're being more lenient on putting solar cells on the roofs of listed buildings on the grounds that there's no much point in saving all the listed buildings. If there's no people alive to see them.
302 00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:50.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: so you might as well keep
303 00:39:51.030 --> 00:40:01.669 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: people going on the on the planet. So I just again, that's my recent experience has been that the planning authorities are being instructed.
304 00:40:01.870 --> 00:40:06.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: or certainly invited to be a bit more lenient about solar panels.
305 00:40:07.680 --> 00:40:10.711 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: So I think, is that the last slide?
306 00:40:11.030 --> 00:40:12.130 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yep, that's it.
307 00:40:12.130 --> 00:40:27.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: I just mentioned that the Wi-fi dongle on the Inverter on your rooftop system is crucial. We discovered again in Long Sutton there was 120 panels, we discovered, after about 3 months, when the
308 00:40:27.430 --> 00:40:33.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: feed-in tariff bonus did not arrive, as expected, that the inverter had managed to break itself.
309 00:40:34.060 --> 00:40:58.599 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: but no one knew, because no one was watching. And you can just again with smartphones. Nowadays you can just get a little Wi-fi dongle to add to your inverter, which will talk to somebody's smartphone, and they can see on a regular basis a. If the system is generating, and B. How much it's generating compared to what it did say last year, which tells you whether or not the cells need
310 00:40:58.890 --> 00:40:59.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: washing.
311 00:41:00.797 --> 00:41:08.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: So I just add that to everyone those are local experiences now open up to everybody else who'd like to contribute. Please.
312 00:41:08.740 --> 00:41:12.219 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Well done, Gary, that's very instant.
313 00:41:13.620 --> 00:41:21.040 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, because the heat pumps you were talking about is quite relevant because we're looking at heat pumps here on the Town Hall.
314 00:41:22.860 --> 00:41:24.449 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Graham, do you know how much
315 00:41:24.730 --> 00:41:29.360 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: they cost to install in total in Long Sutton.
316 00:41:30.576 --> 00:41:32.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: I could look it up.
317 00:41:34.090 --> 00:41:38.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: I have a feeling. For some reason the the figure of about
318 00:41:39.730 --> 00:41:52.229 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: 12,000 pounds comes to mind. I can certainly give you the manufacturer's name and the model name which I'll put up on the on the wiki. I don't have them instantly to hand.
319 00:41:53.112 --> 00:41:58.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: But I think they were. I'm almost positive they're Japanese manufacturer.
320 00:41:59.336 --> 00:42:02.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: And the experience has been very positive.
321 00:42:03.390 --> 00:42:07.169 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, I think it's generally met Mitsubishi. I think that make them that. They say.
322 00:42:07.170 --> 00:42:10.539 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: This is a name like Daikon Ego, but maybe that's a.
323 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:15.329 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Trade name but I'll look it up. I've got it available for you.
324 00:42:15.330 --> 00:42:15.670 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yes.
325 00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:39.220 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Thanks for that note in the in the chat, Andrew, there's also last July. There was a historic publisher guidance on adapting historic buildings. So they they've started to allow secondary closing, for example. But yeah, we we. So we've got historic buildings of the people to to check out. Thanks for that. Andrew
326 00:42:40.050 --> 00:42:41.030 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Stewart.
327 00:42:41.790 --> 00:42:47.022 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I've got loads of questions and comments.
328 00:42:48.030 --> 00:42:51.241 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: And I'd like like to ask Graham
329 00:42:51.830 --> 00:42:55.270 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: All the 2 air source heat pumps, air to air.
330 00:42:55.670 --> 00:42:58.670 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: to enable and do the cooling as well as the heating.
331 00:42:58.670 --> 00:43:12.469 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Yes, we. We put registers into each of the rooms which blow either hot or air, or and then thermostat. Well, yeah, thermostats on each wall, so that you can control the individual rooms to different temperatures.
332 00:43:13.180 --> 00:43:15.530 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: And how many kilowatts are they?
333 00:43:17.582 --> 00:43:22.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Again. I'll have to look it up, Stuart. I'm sorry I don't have those numbers to hand.
334 00:43:22.897 --> 00:43:28.981 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: But Ju, just to answer Gary's question I I've just had
335 00:43:29.770 --> 00:43:34.130 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: a single large room air to air heat pump installed.
336 00:43:34.330 --> 00:43:38.019 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: and the all in cost was 1,500 pounds.
337 00:43:38.380 --> 00:43:39.170 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Woo.
338 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:41.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: It's remarkables.
339 00:43:42.810 --> 00:43:48.109 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Yes, and I think I think when people start talking about heat pumps.
340 00:43:48.330 --> 00:43:53.620 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: they they automatically think of a big air to water heat pump.
341 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:58.059 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: using hot water, central heating, and domestic hot water.
342 00:43:58.430 --> 00:44:02.200 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: and I think individual air to air units
343 00:44:03.250 --> 00:44:06.860 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: might in many circumstances be a much better option.
344 00:44:07.270 --> 00:44:11.129 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: They will cool as well as heat, and I think
345 00:44:12.220 --> 00:44:18.289 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: overheating is going to become a bigger problem than keeping people warm in the near future
346 00:44:18.730 --> 00:44:22.130 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: and overheating kills more people than cold does
347 00:44:24.180 --> 00:44:28.129 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: but they don't attract the government subsidy.
348 00:44:28.740 --> 00:44:32.639 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: That that is just for the big air to water heat pumps.
349 00:44:33.330 --> 00:44:41.569 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: The thing people don't tell you about having a heat pump installed is that you also need to have a hot water cylinder.
350 00:44:41.810 --> 00:44:45.960 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: and most modern houses don't have room for that.
351 00:44:46.460 --> 00:44:50.870 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: that you may need to oversize your radiators.
352 00:44:51.350 --> 00:44:57.340 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: And certainly, if you've got microball plumbing, you will need to replace all that
353 00:44:57.730 --> 00:45:05.538 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: if you're going to run air to water, heat pump, just a few comments.
354 00:45:06.610 --> 00:45:16.400 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: as well as sag. I I found another sort of feed in reimbursement if you like.
355 00:45:16.570 --> 00:45:23.142 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I've signed up with a company called Rowan technologies, and they just
356 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:29.400 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: measure how many kilowatts of renewable energy you've generated
357 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:34.429 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: and pay you either 7 pence or 5 pence per kilowatt.
358 00:45:35.130 --> 00:45:38.279 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: It doesn't have to be Mcs registered.
359 00:45:39.246 --> 00:45:42.894 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: It's done over a sort of a blockchain.
360 00:45:43.590 --> 00:45:49.519 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: computation, and they sell those as registered carbon credits.
361 00:45:49.710 --> 00:45:51.710 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: which is how it works financially.
362 00:45:54.720 --> 00:45:56.006 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Thank you.
363 00:45:56.860 --> 00:45:59.049 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I think I think I'll leave it there.
364 00:45:59.210 --> 00:46:13.229 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay, you're right. Don't let me stop you. Yeah, I see. Back to the in the, in the chat about different rates from different energy suppliers. I've got a rate with with Scottish power, which is is interesting. Yes, shop around.
365 00:46:13.710 --> 00:46:15.923 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Find what? To what might be available.
366 00:46:16.540 --> 00:46:26.270 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: where we've got where we're looking at putting panels on our community library. The the next door building is a doctor's surgery that'd be quite interested in getting some cheaper
367 00:46:26.390 --> 00:46:41.500 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: energy through our efforts, but putting it. Putting a wire between the 2 buildings is not practical. Marketing house is a road in a way, but if we can find the right energy supply, we might be able to do a deal through them so that we get some money, but also that the doctors.
368 00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:46.149 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I thought currently you weren't allowed to sell electricity at the moment.
369 00:46:46.150 --> 00:46:46.959 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: We can't. You can't!
370 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:49.340 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Message to a registered.
371 00:46:49.340 --> 00:46:51.950 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: That's right, you we're not yet. There's a there's
372 00:46:52.250 --> 00:47:11.920 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: lobbying going on to change the law so that we could develop energy and sell it to ourselves to whoever what I've just described would only work if you found a supplier that would be happy to do the deal. They took your energy at a certain rate, but they actually then resupplied it through the local substation
373 00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:23.860 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: to your neighbor at a better rate than they could get, otherwise there will be one or 2 experiments having that around the country. It's not always going to be practical, but it's the way that I've been.
374 00:47:23.970 --> 00:47:30.059 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: It's been suggested to look at it at some point, but certainly a wire between us and the doctor. Surgery is not going to be practical.
375 00:47:30.310 --> 00:47:33.530 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Right? Yeah, you. But you're right, Stuart, absolutely.
376 00:47:34.650 --> 00:47:42.670 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I see we've got somebody here from center for sustainable energy. So I don't know if Tess, if you've got anything else to to add in or
377 00:47:44.120 --> 00:47:50.318 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I haven't looked at the center for stem energy website lately to find out your latest advice that might be available. But
378 00:47:50.860 --> 00:47:53.580 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: here's me put you on the spot. Test! What? What would you like to do.
379 00:47:53.580 --> 00:48:09.049 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: That's okay. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of what you were saying is, and my colleague Steve is also here, aligns with with what we we kind of talk about again with the tariff aspect of it. We're always trying to find
380 00:48:09.110 --> 00:48:31.140 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: ways that or or new opportunities. And our advice, unfortunately, is always shop around shop, around shop around. So unfortunately, we haven't found any kind of magical answer to that. The historic England documents are something that we always advise on. We do have a community buildings, resources page, which I was just dropping into the chat which
381 00:48:31.330 --> 00:48:33.220 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: I don't think it's had any
382 00:48:34.069 --> 00:48:49.339 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: big updates lately. But yeah, I know it's just interesting, because I don't know. Steve wants to jump in, but he often does. Audits of community buildings and helping people out to figure out what's sort of the next step, and we
383 00:48:49.710 --> 00:48:58.589 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: invariably have funds, etc. So it's just quite good to hear what what people are up to. So I will just drop that in the chat there in terms of what we've got.
384 00:48:58.950 --> 00:49:00.590 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Lovely job. Thank you very much.
385 00:49:00.590 --> 00:49:01.660 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: No worries.
386 00:49:01.660 --> 00:49:04.429 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Stephen, have you got some wisdom on surveys and.
387 00:49:05.590 --> 00:49:11.250 Steven Cole: I I wish no, I think it's it's it's really nice, actually just
388 00:49:11.720 --> 00:49:22.250 Steven Cole: speaking to other people that work in this space. It seems like community buildings are many and varied and face a whole array of challenges. And it's it can be really quite difficult to actually get
389 00:49:22.650 --> 00:49:28.839 Steven Cole: good information around how to heat a church or how to heat this building. That's not used very often, and
390 00:49:29.560 --> 00:49:40.189 Steven Cole: yeah, no. Happy to happy to share ideas and learnings. And yes, yeah. Don't really know what else to say. But thank you for your presentation.
391 00:49:40.450 --> 00:49:57.609 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Well, thanks for coming in to say Tess has put you on the spot. So there we go. But seriously, you've been working in this area in in many ways, for a great time and future energy landscapes is one of your more recent projects as well, isn't it? So?
392 00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:01.300 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah, you're the, you're the good guys. Absolutely.
393 00:50:01.900 --> 00:50:07.302 Steven Cole: There was one thing I suppose I should try and plug if I can. We are
394 00:50:08.500 --> 00:50:13.949 Steven Cole: in the process of developing a survey offer that we can offer as a sort of paid for thing. So if any groups.
395 00:50:14.240 --> 00:50:19.669 Steven Cole: all looking for surveys, and they do have funds to pay for things. Then do reach out to us.
396 00:50:20.150 --> 00:50:25.929 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Sure. Well, if you'd like to whiz that across to us, Steve, we'd be happy to to share that around. Yeah.
397 00:50:25.930 --> 00:50:26.500 Steven Cole: Cute.
398 00:50:27.180 --> 00:50:28.829 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: And you've got some
399 00:50:29.620 --> 00:50:37.277 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: people already saying, Oh, yes, we can have some of that. Thank you again. Shop around. So there are consultancies around the place.
400 00:50:37.770 --> 00:50:41.360 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: so we're see. See what what might be available.
401 00:50:42.580 --> 00:50:51.289 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I don't know that if I don't know if there I mean Steven, you may know, is there yet a professional association for people who do these kind of surveys and retrofitting, and so forth?
402 00:50:51.860 --> 00:50:58.732 Steven Cole: There are. It's a bit of a gap, because there's obviously lots of retrofit coordinators that work in the domestic world.
403 00:50:59.220 --> 00:51:00.650 Steven Cole: There is talk
404 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:09.649 Steven Cole: of some sort of guideline process as 2038 coming into force this year. But as far as I'm aware, it's it's not
405 00:51:10.174 --> 00:51:20.979 Steven Cole: at the moment. There's there's training for sort of non domestic energy assessors, but a lot of them. A lot of that training seems to be geared at more commercial buildings like offices and shops and stuff. So
406 00:51:21.160 --> 00:51:25.847 Steven Cole: no, we find ourselves in a bit of a in a bit of a strange world.
407 00:51:26.410 --> 00:51:36.339 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: It's the same for my working area of community-based regeneration. There isn't a professional association for it. And so you have to shop around and get recommendations from people
408 00:51:36.738 --> 00:51:56.449 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: even, you know, even in installing solar panels and so forth. I was lucky enough to find an electrician literally 5 min down the road who's actually sort of fallen into that kind of work. And now he doesn't do hardly anything else, you know. But if you wanted to, you know, if you wanted, he wouldn't necessarily find him by Googling solar panels.
409 00:51:56.780 --> 00:52:02.540 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So there we are. There has been suggestions that one of the things we could do is a great collaboration.
410 00:52:03.052 --> 00:52:18.190 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: You know, with a bit of care from our side, is to make a list available of various practitioners, consultants, professionals around the country for some of these skills that the you know, the average community or parish council doesn't have in house.
411 00:52:18.652 --> 00:52:39.930 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So that that idea we're alert to that. We haven't haven't progressed it in any detail yet, but I think that is something we could be doing, because, of course, people in the public sector find it very difficult to recommend in any way people in the private sector, because of various rules and regulations. We're not quite so bound as a great collaboration.
412 00:52:40.150 --> 00:52:43.810 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So with the usual caveats, we might well be able to help people by saying, Oh.
413 00:52:43.940 --> 00:52:46.419 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: you're in Somerset to try these guys.
414 00:52:48.020 --> 00:52:52.359 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So that's something for for future times. Are you looking at the chat, Greg?
415 00:52:52.560 --> 00:52:53.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Yep.
416 00:52:53.550 --> 00:52:54.470 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I thought he was.
417 00:52:54.816 --> 00:53:07.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: I've also been adding things to it, and I've just got one more message, particularly for Gary. So the manufacturer of our edgeware heat pumps was placed company called Daikin DAIK. IN.
418 00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:11.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Let me just put the model number up for you.
419 00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.440 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: And so I think I've purchased those as well.
420 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Excess, 35.
421 00:53:16.500 --> 00:53:35.302 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I I've also in another life. Attended something as an event by innovate Uk. And it was event of trying to get local government and inventors, you know, new innovators together to talk about issues, and of course, particularly with
422 00:53:35.860 --> 00:53:48.360 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: levels of government, we're obliged to sort of seek sort of quotes different quotes for different activities. If a great new idea comes forward and it's 1 of a kind, and it doesn't really compare with anything else can be quite difficult.
423 00:53:48.890 --> 00:54:14.639 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: and possibly easier for parishes and towns and other levels of local government to simply go for it. And the suggestion then, was, if there was some kind of independent panel that could look at these new inventions and give some sort of good housekeeping seal to them that make it make easier for people in local government to take advantage. But that was something that came out of that conference that was really a big issue for people that were developing new technology. How do they get it?
424 00:54:14.720 --> 00:54:29.170 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: You know, we've got these great new ideas. They're making these things. How can they get it so that people can start acquiring them and using them. So you know, we're we're in a we're in a changing world in many ways, aren't we? And this is another another area where things are sort of down a bit.
425 00:54:30.580 --> 00:54:38.429 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay. I sort of seems to have rather usurped Graham's role as the chairman. Oh, Gary, you've got your hand up, my friend. Yeah.
426 00:54:38.900 --> 00:54:42.073 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, I just wanted to add also that
427 00:54:42.730 --> 00:54:47.370 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: I find that one of the problems we have is that
428 00:54:47.540 --> 00:55:02.049 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: well is with funding, because the size of our organization, the type of building and stuff. It seems like all the big Mega projects, there's lots of funding out there, and maybe for, like little little buildings from community groups, there's lots of funding. But when you're kind of like a
429 00:55:02.770 --> 00:55:05.049 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: like, I say, a medium sized town hall.
430 00:55:05.630 --> 00:55:17.649 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: it seems like there's there's no kind of government fund we can go to, and there's lots of other funds that we seem to miss out on, because lack of eligible eligibility for whatever criteria. So it doesn't seem to be much options, for, like a.
431 00:55:18.150 --> 00:55:20.810 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: you know, an old school kind of
432 00:55:21.250 --> 00:55:27.920 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: double story Town Hall building to get some solar panels or some heat pumps on.
433 00:55:29.950 --> 00:55:37.069 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Helped you, Gary, in Long Sutton. We tapped the local Waste Disposal company so Viridor.
434 00:55:37.330 --> 00:55:47.866 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, we're outside of that. We're outside of their catchment areas. So we look at the, we look at the waste companies as well, we've looked at those. And yeah, we don't fit those criteria because we're not within.
435 00:55:48.540 --> 00:55:53.480 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: you know, long Sutton is quite close to to one of their tips, I imagine, but.
436 00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:54.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Correct. Yeah, yeah.
437 00:55:54.940 --> 00:55:57.879 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: There's 1 quite close by. No, but we're not.
438 00:55:58.240 --> 00:56:01.849 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: 1010 mile radius, isn't it? That's the sort of.
439 00:56:01.850 --> 00:56:05.562 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, they don't tend to have them in the Cotswolds, and unfortunately, all around them.
440 00:56:06.450 --> 00:56:08.129 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Sure. Yes. Okay.
441 00:56:08.690 --> 00:56:10.069 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, it's a damn shame.
442 00:56:10.070 --> 00:56:30.259 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: It is, and I think there is an issue of funding. Who knows what may or may not come out of government? Obviously, what we're now hearing every day is how squeezed government funds are, and how things are being chopped and changed about. So I don't necessarily think we can expect a lot more from that quarter at the moment
443 00:56:30.330 --> 00:56:40.759 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I have. I got a bit of a link to the net 0 office in government, but I haven't asked them that question lately in terms of other sources of funding
444 00:56:41.470 --> 00:57:04.040 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: there. I mean, there are some national schemes. If you go on the I'll put a link into our latest fundings analysis on on the Slcc website. I'll put that in the chat shortly. But some of these things are going to be great opportunities really much for for a lot of local fundraising. Sometimes, of course, we're talking relatively large sums of money.
445 00:57:04.240 --> 00:57:32.919 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: but it may be that we will not. We're never going to get it all from one single grant for a start. It's more work, of course, and looking at different sources of funding. If we can find a group of people which we always say, you know. Don't try and do it on yourself. As a council. Get the local residents engaged. We can find people that are involved, and that can help looking at raising money for these things. You know the old thermometer outside the building. What have you that would be good.
446 00:57:33.330 --> 00:57:46.100 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I firmly believe every project has its time, so we do need to keep and keep these ideas alive. Keep looking at it, and it may be that a long and steady fundraising process I'm just talking off the top of my head here
447 00:57:46.140 --> 00:58:04.489 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: may not be immediately effective, but it actually manages to keep the ideas in people's minds, and we can take advantage of different things that come across. But you're you're right, Gary. There's no necessarily instant answer for some of these things, I'll put the link to the latest funding guidance we've found out in the chat.
448 00:58:04.660 --> 00:58:25.009 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Yeah, it's like, you know, like they like County councils have access to a lot of funding. But when you're like a parish council, you know, whole like net, 0 hubs and stuff don't apply. And it's kind of like, where do we go? You know there doesn't seem to be an obvious place to go to. You just have to like you say, shop around and hope that something comes along and just keep your eyes open.
449 00:58:25.220 --> 00:58:39.500 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah. The other issue, of course, is, you know, to what extent we feel able to increase our precept. And even if we're borrowing money from the public Works loan, then we may have to increase the precept in order to pay it off over a period of time.
450 00:58:40.192 --> 00:58:43.459 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: This is going back to the question about how.
451 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:50.509 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: what kind of support do we have in our community for this kind of activity? I mean, are they prepared
452 00:58:50.860 --> 00:58:54.444 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: to, you know, as a sort of random example, to set
453 00:58:54.990 --> 00:59:02.799 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: you know, pay another 5 pounds a year on their precept, which would go towards something like this I'm not saying 5 pounds is always going to be the sum in question.
454 00:59:03.387 --> 00:59:26.659 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: One of the other things that we need to be thinking about at some point. And there's a lot of debate happening about that at high levels is the government's plans for devolution. In England. They're talking about going into unity authorities and basically having no more district councils. If that's the way things turn out. And we're not going to know any more about that until I think this autumn
455 00:59:26.950 --> 00:59:34.969 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: town and parish councils will get even more high profile, and particularly as being the level of government nearest to the community.
456 00:59:35.180 --> 00:59:50.360 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So there's discussions going on. And what is that going to mean? Are we going to get extra powers? Are things going to get devolved down to us from above? I'm told that the Mp. For rural affairs at Defra, Daniel Zeitner is very interested in this particular opportunity.
457 00:59:50.610 --> 01:00:14.460 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: If we but the question then arises, What is it that we're going to get what suggestions are going to be made that we take on that perhaps district councils used to do what other funding might be given to us to do it? Or might we have to think about raising our precepts, anyway, in order to do the best for our very communities? So I think there's a lot of. And these answers to those questions going to vary enormously from place to place.
458 01:00:14.955 --> 01:00:18.064 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: But in terms of future proofing and looking ahead.
459 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:33.260 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: We might have to keep that in the back of our minds. I know a number of councils, a lot of councils because of the general increase in cost of living lately are very reluctant indeed to increase their precept at all.
460 01:00:33.730 --> 01:00:43.569 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: And you know that's that's an understandable point of view. These are things that shouldn't be done lightly, of course, and can be discussed in in more detail.
461 01:00:45.240 --> 01:00:59.520 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: but I'm thinking that actually put it this way, if if we're going to, I think in potentially increasing the preset, it's got to be part of the conversation somewhere along the line, even if it's decided not to do that.
462 01:00:59.910 --> 01:01:01.389 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So again.
463 01:01:01.390 --> 01:01:15.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: I think there are a couple of other thoughts I've got, too. So if you look at the return, I'm not sure that the money that the energy grants you get now, instead of the feed in tariffs. The
464 01:01:15.900 --> 01:01:32.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: they were just a few pence per kilowatt sort of miserable, or something like 4, I think, 4 pence. But as more and more energy suppliers are discovering that more and more people are actually quite keen on doing this, and therefore they get more customers. So the rates are going up.
465 01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: But that 6,000 pounds that we generated in
466 01:01:36.900 --> 01:01:43.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Long Sutton is something like a 20% return on the money.
467 01:01:44.040 --> 01:02:12.820 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: So if you've got people around you who happen to be wealthy and are looking for something to do with their money, 20% is a pretty high rate of return, and you're almost guaranteed to get it, because you're always going to be using electricity, and if the electricity of the surplus is earning cash. Then you might want to interest people in that. And also I'm aware that in the southeast of the country there's an organization called Csco, which is C hyphen, ESCO.
468 01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:41.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Which is looking into doing the same sort of thing with solar panels and heat pumps, and so forth, as you can now get with your town public ev charges, where there are organizations that will take on the entire cost of the installation on the grounds that they get the savings that you make on the energy electricity from there until the loan has been paid off.
469 01:02:41.260 --> 01:02:45.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: and thereafter you get your your export. Grant money.
470 01:02:45.750 --> 01:02:54.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: So the initially, when they've covered all the costs for you, then you will the energy
471 01:02:54.760 --> 01:03:03.309 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: a grant that you're getting in in giving money or sorry electricity back to the grid goes to them to pay off the the capital sum.
472 01:03:03.460 --> 01:03:08.109 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: But again, I think it's quite an efficient way of of getting your
473 01:03:08.220 --> 01:03:35.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: heat pumps installed without it costing on your preset. So 2 options there you might help financing, for from rich people, and, secondly, if the Csgo deal goes through at the moment there's been a hold up in their funding. Some things has gone wrong with their 45 million that they were expecting. But if it does come through, then that's what they're going to use it for. And I suspect that they're a pilot that could spread across the country if it works.
474 01:03:35.690 --> 01:03:38.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: So I just offer that as food for thought.
475 01:03:39.326 --> 01:03:43.900 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: If you got a link to that organization you could slip into the chat.
476 01:03:44.898 --> 01:03:46.389 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Yes, I'll look one up.
477 01:03:46.650 --> 01:03:59.339 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah, I mean, there's also a Central Energy Company offering support for community energy projects in the East and the South, East and Stuart and I are both looking at a potential application to that
478 01:03:59.570 --> 01:04:02.889 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: source of funding. I think the dead, the deadline for
479 01:04:03.160 --> 01:04:08.870 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: you have to put in an expression of interest first, st and the deadline deadline is next week. Thursday, isn't it, Stuart?
480 01:04:09.462 --> 01:04:27.339 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: This is again another example of if we're prepared and thinking about what we might want funding for. Then we get our story in our writing. In fact, our fundable packages written up in advance that makes it easier to get to leap on these opportunities as they as they may arise, which is very much an approach where
481 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:29.840 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: begin to take with the great collaboration itself.
482 01:04:31.970 --> 01:04:32.930 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Great.
483 01:04:33.140 --> 01:04:36.079 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: I think I'm gonna have to add it later, because I can't find it at the moment.
484 01:04:36.080 --> 01:04:37.349 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Oh, that's okay.
485 01:04:37.350 --> 01:04:39.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: No, I put it on the wiki on the published bit.
486 01:04:40.110 --> 01:04:40.660 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah.
487 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:49.219 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: well, we've had a great exchange of views. We have some lovely ideas here. Is there anybody else has been on the call, would like to ask any questions, or make any points.
488 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:55.830 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Deathly, Simons.
489 01:04:55.830 --> 01:04:58.200 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I was a bit surprised that your
490 01:04:58.580 --> 01:05:05.569 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: whole roof wouldn't take the weight of the solar panels. I'm a bit worried about what happens in a heavy snowstorm.
491 01:05:06.350 --> 01:05:09.830 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Well, this is the the bandwidth experience.
492 01:05:10.010 --> 01:05:24.180 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I think it was because the nature of the structure of the roof was a bit unusual. It was a metal structure, not something I'd ever come across before. Unfortunately, Liz Shayler, from Banwell, who was going to come here today, gave us a better answer to that.
493 01:05:24.530 --> 01:05:33.650 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: that, you know, there may be a number of reasons why we can't have panels on our own roof, maybe having panels on the neighbouring building might be a way forward.
494 01:05:34.700 --> 01:05:37.619 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Every every example is going to be different, isn't it?
495 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:39.170 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: That's run it
496 01:05:39.620 --> 01:05:58.280 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: funny enough, just looking at putting 27 panels in our Community library building. We've had to County Council, who still own the building, says, are you sure that's not going to collapse the roof? So we're having to pay for a consultant, a structural survey, and the guys just come in this morning to check it all out so we can say the county. No, it's all right. It'll be fine.
497 01:05:58.540 --> 01:06:01.520 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: but you know that's a
498 01:06:01.650 --> 01:06:06.119 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: you can. It's just more expensive getting a structural survey, to be sure that we know what we're doing.
499 01:06:06.540 --> 01:06:07.130 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: And you know.
500 01:06:07.130 --> 01:06:08.740 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I've got the same problem.
501 01:06:08.940 --> 01:06:17.499 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah. Yeah. Well, in our case we had no option, the County Council said, unless you can show it to us. You know where you can't have the approval. Approval. Yeah.
502 01:06:18.020 --> 01:06:22.560 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: there we go, you. You put your foot some up there, Siobhan. You've got similar experience.
503 01:06:22.560 --> 01:06:31.420 Siobhan Harris, Stour Power Community Energy: I meant to put my hand up. Yeah, thanks. It's been a really helpful chat for me. I'm just like we've just started up a community energy group in
504 01:06:31.906 --> 01:06:54.089 Siobhan Harris, Stour Power Community Energy: Suffolk, Sudbury, Suffolk, and we're looking at the local church in the centre of town, which is an art centre and Town Hall just like preliminary. But we've had a letter back from historic England giving their support to panels on the listed church, which is great because it can't be seen from the street, and you know, so it's it is looking positive.
505 01:06:56.750 --> 01:07:03.490 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I don't know if it's too late to look at the Centric Fund. But let me see if I can put that in the chat as well. Why not?
506 01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:06.190 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: It's getting quite close now. Where is it?
507 01:07:06.490 --> 01:07:08.090 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: The short deadline isn't there now.
508 01:07:08.490 --> 01:07:21.320 Siobhan Harris, Stour Power Community Energy: Yeah, I've noted that. Yeah, it will. When you talked about fundable packages it would be. I don't know whether there's some example that would be useful to help with the application.
509 01:07:22.396 --> 01:07:23.313 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay?
510 01:07:25.110 --> 01:07:30.549 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Well, for example, when, with the the great losing myself
511 01:07:30.780 --> 01:07:36.950 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: within the great collaboration we we've got funds we're looking at for improving with what's on our website.
512 01:07:37.150 --> 01:07:44.670 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: We've got funds looking forward to supporting climate action workshops around the country, particularly in East Anglia, where we're having our pilot program.
513 01:07:44.970 --> 01:07:53.839 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: We're looking at funds for training for local people so that they can then go and train other people. We're looking at funds for
514 01:07:54.410 --> 01:08:03.839 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: county based advisors because of the experience of the project in Herefordshire, where they had a single person that was available to speak to councils and go around the area.
515 01:08:03.910 --> 01:08:21.090 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: answer emails and so forth. She was only working 2 days a week, she confided me. It's really a 5 day, a week job. But counties, you know, setting aside future devolution, a county seems to be the right sort of area that people area that people can relate to.
516 01:08:21.160 --> 01:08:34.780 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: And so you can see that there are 3 or 4 different different kinds of fundable packages already, you know. We tried to get them all funded through the lottery, but we weren't successful, because, again, the other thing is, so many of these funds are oversubscribed.
517 01:08:34.990 --> 01:08:44.540 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: People are going to a lot of these things. So having packages, perhaps breaking down what we want into smaller packages might also be very helpful.
518 01:08:44.689 --> 01:09:13.030 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: We may find it easier to get small bits of funding from several sources. Almost certainly. Maybe obviously, it's more application. It's more work. But the single shot bids, unless they really fit these larger funders like a glove, they're not going to be successful, and it's always a bit heartbreaking when you spend ages breaking down these forms, and you can't take them any further forward, so it may be that breaking down your
519 01:09:13.160 --> 01:09:15.239 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: what you need into different bits.
520 01:09:15.370 --> 01:09:20.159 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Oh, who knows? We might find, as Graham was saying, a wealthy person might want to support one part of it?
521 01:09:21.351 --> 01:09:25.690 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: But it's something that we're very much looking at doing ourselves. Yeah.
522 01:09:26.580 --> 01:09:28.969 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: yeah, let me get this essentially thing on the phone.
523 01:09:30.899 --> 01:09:32.100 Siobhan Harris, Stour Power Community Energy: Great. Thank you.
524 01:09:34.770 --> 01:09:40.490 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Energy for tomorrow than it is right.
525 01:09:42.740 --> 01:09:46.120 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Graham, I should hand the chat back. Chairman back to you, having.
526 01:09:46.120 --> 01:09:55.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Well, I think I get the welcome job of saying Thank you all so much for coming much appreciated, and we'll see you all again next week, when the topic will be
527 01:09:55.390 --> 01:09:57.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: yet to be determined.
528 01:09:58.300 --> 01:09:58.880 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay.
529 01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:22.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration, Bembridge: Yeah. Well, I'm waiting for confirmation from David Morgan Germs, whose father died recently. So we need to work out whether he's still caught up in the aftermath of that, or whether he's going to be free to give us his the presentation that's mooted for next week. But we're not sure it's going to be happening, so I will let everybody know. In the meantime, thank you so much for your participation, and I look forward to the next one.
530 01:10:22.890 --> 01:10:24.230 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Very much all right.
531 01:10:24.230 --> 01:10:25.180 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: It's great. Thank you.
00:41:41 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Useful advice from Historic England
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00:48:57 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy:
00:52:16 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: Here is a link to our DIY survey too, feel free to share
01:00:33 Tess Rushton - Centre for Sustainable Energy: You might be interested in the Energy Learning Network:
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