Graham recounts the start of an Environment Group in a small rural parish, how it started, mistakes made, progress via a village survey, an Open Day, and the results since.
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00:00 - 01.00 Inroduction
01:00 - 15:35 survey (presentation delays here - sorry)
15:35 - 19:45 Open Day
19:45 - 22:32 Resulting collaboration with other local groups
22:32 - 28:53 Developments since the Open Day
28:53 - 61:06 (end) Q & A
Feb 19, 2025 11:46 AM London ID: 834 5460 8536
The group discussed the formation and activities of an environmental group in a small parish, including a survey to understand community concerns and interests, and the challenges of engaging the community in environmental initiatives. They also explored the use of Parish Online for flood risk assessment and land usage mapping, and the potential of community-led initiatives for decarbonization and renewable energy sources. Lastly, they discussed various energy-efficient solutions, their cost-effectiveness, and the need for a separate group to assess new inventions for local councils.
Action Items:
Cara to put the MCS (Microgeneration Certification Scheme) link for certified renewable energy installers in the chat.
Andrew Maliphant to continue working with the postgraduate intern from King's College, London on improving messaging and communication strategies for climate action.
Environment group members to explore community energy schemes, such as local solar farms or wind turbines, as potential solutions for renewable energy sources.
Parish councils to consider organizing bulk-buy schemes for solar panels in their communities.
Parish councils to investigate the possibility of heat networks as a solution for community heating, especially in new builds and high-density housing areas.
Andrew Maliphant to follow up on the suggestion of creating a separate panel to assess new inventions and technologies for easier adoption by local councils.
Casual Conversations and Zoom Features
The group engages in casual conversation about various topics, including the loss of a pet cat, a tree with an old arrowhead found inside, and the use of parish online for flood risk assessment. Andrew Maliphant mentions a useful tool for viewing flood risk areas in different parts of the UK. The participants also discuss Zoom features, with Graham explaining the "reactions" function to Andrew Clegg. The meeting appears to be informal, with participants joining at different times and some listening in while working.
Improving Guidance and Starting Group
Graham, the host, welcomed everyone and apologized for the poor audio quality due to his location. He encouraged participants to introduce themselves and their locations. Andrew Maliphant introduced a postgraduate intern from King's College, London, who is assisting with improvements to their guidance, including a flood risk assessment for parish councils. Graham also mentioned a technical issue with his computer, which was causing delays in screen sharing. Despite these challenges, the meeting proceeded with Graham sharing his screen and preparing to present a lot of slides about starting an environmental group. The participants were advised to bear with him as the computer caught up.
Shifting Approach for Environmental Group
Graham discussed the formation of an environmental group in a small parish, which initially faced challenges due to a lack of public involvement. To address this, they conducted a survey to understand the community's concerns and interests. The survey revealed that 90% of the local population believed climate change was caused by human activity, and 90% of respondents were concerned about the environment. The survey also showed that the community was interested in the countryside, environment, and wildlife. Graham concluded that the group's approach needed to shift from telling people what to do to asking for their input and involvement.
Presentation Discussion
presentation from Graham's computer was even worse than predicted, so the presentation was sent to Andrew for him to display it. The presentation covered the survey results, which showed that people were interested in improving the environment outside their homes, such as increasing wildlife and rewilding. However, there was no action taken on retrofitting homes and decarbonizing energy. Graham mentioned that he was no longer on the Parish Council and was not sure about their current actions.
Open Day Event and Environment Group
Graham discussed the planning and execution of an open day event in the village hall, aimed at raising awareness about environmental issues and encouraging community involvement. The event was successful, attracting over 120 attendees and featuring presentations on various environmental topics. The event also led to the formation of an environment group, which received funding from the Parish Council and collaborated with the Wildlife Trust. The group has since undertaken projects such as tree planting, rewilding, and installing owl and starling nesting boxes. The event also helped to identify landowners and their potential for environmental projects, with the aim of generating income for them.
Community Environmental Initiatives and Challenges
Graham shared his experience of starting an environmental group in his community, which was initially met with skepticism but eventually gained traction. He emphasized the importance of allowing people to take ownership of ideas and not imposing solutions. Andrew Clegg expressed a similar challenge in his community, Martock, where there were many ideas but a lack of organizers. Graham's advice was to let people take the lead and not dictate what they should do. Cara shared her experience with the transition town movement in Langport, which started with an open event and led to the formation of a community action group focused on environmental issues. She also mentioned the Council's green charter, which aimed to lead by example and inspire others.
Environmental Initiatives and Community Engagement
The meeting revolved around the topic of environmental initiatives and community engagement. Graham and Cara discussed the importance of tree planting and the role of the "Reimagining the Levels"- group in Somerset. They also touched on the challenges of balancing environmental efforts with decarbonization and the transition to renewable energy sources. Graham shared his experience with the Parish Council's involvement in solar panel installations and the potential for community-led initiatives. The group also discussed the importance of community engagement and the need for ongoing efforts to promote environmental awareness and action.
Parish Online for Enhanced Operations
Amanda and Graham discussed the potential of using Parish Online to enhance the operations of Amanda's parish council. Graham explained how he used Parish Online to identify landowners and map out land usage, which could be beneficial for Amanda's council. He also offered to provide a course on how to use Parish Online more efficiently. Amanda expressed interest in using this data to show how parishes could work together more effectively. Graham also mentioned the challenges of working with human individuals and the varying success of local community networks. Andrew added that there is an opportunity for parish councils to become more visible and involved in their communities due to proposed devolution changes in England.
Enhancing Climate Change Messaging Strategies
Andrew Maliphant discussed the importance of having the right messages for the right people at the right time, mentioning an intern from King's College, London, who is helping analyze different audiences and mindsets. He also highlighted the need for better communication and engagement on climate change. Cara added that changing the messaging could be effective, citing Rob Hopkins' work on solution thinking and the book "Carbon Detox" by George Marshall. She emphasized the importance of engaging people in a comfortable setting and focusing on the benefits of environmental actions. Andrew concluded by stressing the need for more local actions and visible results to encourage people at all levels of society.
Energy Solutions and Adoption Discussion
The meeting focused on discussing various energy-efficient solutions and their potential adoption. The team discussed the benefits of solar panels and community energy schemes, with a particular emphasis on their cost-effectiveness and environmental impact. The idea of replacing gas boilers with electric boilers was also brought up, but concerns were raised about the increased running costs. The team also discussed the potential of heat pumps, with some members expressing concerns about their suitability for all homeowners. The conversation ended with a discussion on the need for a separate group to assess new inventions and their potential adoption by local councils.
00:12:08 Maggy Howells: I'm listening in whilst working, so apologies for no video..reception very poor in this woodland
00:20:38 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): F5
00:25:45 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Lots of related information on the Long Sutton PC website https://www.longsutton-pc.gov.uk/environment-plan
00:26:09 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I read somewhere that statistical science says if you have a 10% response to a survey, there's an 85% chance the results are a good representation of people's views.
00:29:03 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: How are the actions to support retrofitting homes and decarbonising energy advancing in Long Sutton?
00:29:40 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: And has the Environment Plan for Long Sutton been finalised?
00:30:22 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Survey results presentation on the Long Sutton Website https://www.longsutton-pc.gov.uk/_files/ugd/215ace_cfda93b4701c45e9a52fdc65aab1dfbc.pdf
00:35:43 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): F5
00:39:18 Gill Colquhoun: sorry I joined late. Will all the slides be emailed out?
00:43:36 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: https://reimaginingthelevels.org.uk/
00:44:09 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Green Scythe Fair - https://www.greenfair.org.uk/
00:46:50 Gill Colquhoun: Was the environment group set up by the Parish Council?
00:50:33 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Replying to "sorry I joined late...."
Yes 00:52:35 Amanda Davis: I missed it earlier. Is there a link to your survey?
00:53:53 Gill Colquhoun: Replying to "sorry I joined late...."
Thanks
01:04:58 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Survey results presentation on the Long Sutton Website https://www.longsutton-pc.gov.uk/_files/ugd/215ace_cfda93b4701c45e9a52fdc65aab1dfbc.pdf
01:05:46 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: www.cse.org.uk/resource/top-tips-for-community-engagement-2/
01:07:21 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Reacted to "www.cse.org.uk/resou..." with 👍
01:12:19 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Climate Outreach is really useful https://climateoutreach.org/
01:16:44 Tracey McMahon - Houghton Regis Bedfordshire: Reacted to "Climate Outreach is ..." with 👍
01:16:47 alastair boyd: Thank you - now have to leave you
01:20:04 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: PV installers to talk about community discount schemes https://mcscertified.com/find-an-installer/
01:20:14 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Reacted to "PV installers to tal..." with 👍
01:21:08 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Replying to "Climate Outreach is ..."
Also "The Carbon Detox" written by George Marshal who set up Climate Outreach is a good book to read, linked to the communication and engagement on climate change.
01:24:18 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: There are some sources of advice online including https://www.boilerguide.co.uk/compare/types/electric-vs-gas
01:25:56 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Sorry - have to leave . Thanks
01:26:33 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): https://www.nesta.org.uk/project/visit-a-heat-pump/
01:27:49 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: https://nationalretrofithub.org.uk/
In response to the growing awareness of a climate and ecological crisis, Exminster Parish Council established an Environmental Policy in 2019 to guide its future actions, together with an Environment Working Party tasked with advising it on ways to tackle the twin problems of climate change and loss of biodiversity at a local level:
Here is the full Environmental Policy document for Exminster Parish Council (if you want the original document, please click here.
Revision Agreed by the Exminster Parish Council: August 5, 2024 To be reviewed in: June 2025
Exminster Parish Council recognizes the global climate emergency and biodiversity loss and commits to acting sustainably to meet the needs of the whole community without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs and, where possible, improving the natural environment of the Parish.
Wherever achievable and affordable, the Parish Council will strive to make a positive contribution to protecting and enhancing the local and global environment by:
Ensuring that current environmental legislation and guidance is followed.
Encouraging and supporting local action in support of the environment.
Working with other agencies on environmental matters relevant to the Parish.
Facilitating the development and annual review of the Exminster Environment Action Plan to help implement the Environmental Policy.
The Environmental Policy will be the basis of the Exminster Environment Action Plan, which will identify activities that are achievable and affordable within the Parish. These activities will be derived from the following policies and strategies:
Exminster Local Nature Recovery Strategy
Exminster Neighbourhood Development Plan
Teignbridge Local Plan
Devon Carbon Plan
Section 40 of the Natural Environment and Rural Communities Act 2006, updated by Section 102 of the Environment Act 2021 (National Biodiversity Policy)
Devon Nature Recovery Strategy
Devon, Cornwall & Isles of Scilly Climate Adaptation Strategy
The Parish Council will report to residents of the Parish annually on progress with the Council’s environmental activities.
Here are the terms of reference for the Exminster Environment Working Party in text form. If you would like a copy of the original document, please click here.
The Exminster Parish Council established the Environment Working Party (EWP) in June 2019 to address local environmental challenges, particularly climate change and biodiversity loss. The EWP’s primary mission is to provide the council with actionable recommendations to protect and enhance the local environment. This includes developing an initial action plan that aligns with the council’s Environmental Policy and assisting in its implementation.
Membership and Structure:
• Composition: The EWP comprises at least two council members and up to four community members aged 18 or above. The council’s Chairman and Vice Chairman serve as ex officio members.
• Leadership: Members select a Chair from within the group to lead meetings and act as the primary contact.
• Volunteers: In addition to official members, the EWP welcomes volunteers who can attend meetings and participate in activities but do not have voting rights.
Meetings and Operations:
• Frequency: The EWP meets at least twice a year.
• Quorum: A minimum of four members, including at least two council members, is required to conduct official business.
• Decision-Making: Each member has one vote, with the Chair holding a casting vote in case of a tie.
• Reporting: The EWP provides updates to the council and informs residents about its activities through annual reports and updates at council meetings.
Responsibilities:
The EWP’s key responsibilities include:
• Developing and implementing an action plan based on the Environmental Policy.
• Promoting environmental opportunities and sustainable practices.
• Addressing environmental challenges such as development pressures, pollution, and climate change.
• Exploring sustainable energy options, including solar energy.
• Enhancing natural assets through initiatives like tree planting and hedgerow improvement.
• Raising public awareness about environmental issues and encouraging community involvement.
For more detailed information about the Environment Working Party and its initiatives, please visit the Exminster Parish Council’s official website.
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115 00:18:16.710 --> 00:18:19.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Okay, the 5 min is up. So I'm going to press ahead.
116 00:18:20.983 --> 00:18:49.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Let me say in advance to everybody this morning that I have a lot of slides to go through. Most of them are there for people to peruse at their own leisure once they get a copy of all of today's session. So forgive me if I go racing through, because there's a lot of them, and I'm just trying to make the point to you that there's a lot that can come out of
117 00:18:49.890 --> 00:19:02.119 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: starting your own environmental group. And this is meant to be reassuring. It's meant to be inspiring because it shows what can come out of it. But, on the other hand, there's a lot of
118 00:19:02.470 --> 00:19:09.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: slides to go through. So I'm just warning you in advance. Let me share my screen.
119 00:19:13.340 --> 00:19:15.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: See, get!
120 00:19:18.050 --> 00:19:21.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: You should be able to go to there.
121 00:19:22.510 --> 00:19:26.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So is that not yet producing what we wanted it to produce? Are we.
122 00:19:29.340 --> 00:19:29.719 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah.
123 00:19:30.520 --> 00:19:38.811 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: No, no, we need to go to that one. There we go, persuaded to go into slide mode which may be tricky with you guys all.
124 00:19:39.700 --> 00:19:40.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: There we go.
125 00:19:45.740 --> 00:19:51.109 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and we're suffering from a slow computer. So my apologies again my screen sharing is paused.
126 00:19:51.470 --> 00:19:56.289 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: How do I manage that? How do I, unpause, have you got any ideas
127 00:20:03.270 --> 00:20:06.736 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I'm using enhanced encryption? Can I unpause? You
128 00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:12.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: think I might stop sharing and come back in again? Bear with me?
129 00:20:14.140 --> 00:20:16.231 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Didn't know why I was paused.
130 00:20:21.310 --> 00:20:22.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: That's better.
131 00:20:24.890 --> 00:20:29.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: But can I move that without pausing it?
132 00:20:30.120 --> 00:20:31.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yes.
133 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:48.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So I'm telling the computer what to do. But it's not in any key to do it.
134 00:20:52.510 --> 00:20:54.280 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): Just press F. 5.
135 00:20:56.270 --> 00:20:57.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: We've tried that.
136 00:20:57.850 --> 00:20:58.390 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): Hmm.
137 00:20:59.060 --> 00:21:03.629 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, bear with me. We'll hopefully the machine will catch up with us as we go along.
138 00:21:05.290 --> 00:21:06.500 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Is there any human.
139 00:21:06.820 --> 00:21:07.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Come again.
140 00:21:09.149 --> 00:21:14.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So bear with me, please. But good afternoon, all, and let us.
141 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:20.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Oh, dearie, maybe we are slowing down, aren't we? There we go so
142 00:21:20.630 --> 00:21:26.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: long. Sutton Somerset, back in 2022, not a very large parish.
143 00:21:27.500 --> 00:21:36.859 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Persh council of 9 members, supposed to be 10, and occasionally gets there, but not always had nothing whatsoever in the way of an environmental group.
144 00:21:37.170 --> 00:21:50.528 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: One of the counselors was keen, was young and enthusiastic, made a presentation. And everyone said, Go for it. So, forming an environmental group, just gonna press F 5 again, just to see if we can get anywhere.
145 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:06.626 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and the 1st moves that the environmental group with. So we ought to have a green charter to show where we're going to go, get everybody involved. Get them all online,
146 00:22:07.270 --> 00:22:12.189 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and publicize it so they could all see that we were going down a firm path.
147 00:22:12.300 --> 00:22:14.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then we could ask people for. Input.
148 00:22:14.810 --> 00:22:30.229 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And that was, this is back in the days before the great collaboration. And it's big push to say, what you have to do with everybody is, get their consent, get them involved. Get them cheered in what we discovered, the hard way that. Yes, you have to do that.
149 00:22:30.360 --> 00:22:44.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So we learned. Don't tell people what to do, ask them what they want and get them involved. And if that's not the same thing that you started out to do, that doesn't matter. You need to go with what the public want, because they're the ones going to be doing the work.
150 00:22:44.390 --> 00:22:49.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So we scrapped all that and started a survey to say so what do you want?
151 00:22:49.570 --> 00:22:53.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And what I'm gonna show you now is the results of the survey.
152 00:22:54.560 --> 00:23:09.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and I've got some comments on here that this is the presentation that we made to ourselves before deciding what we'd publish as the survey. So you're going to get some interesting comments like, do not use this slide, but at least you'll see what we've done.
153 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:17.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and that's just one more. Try getting this thing to go into slides mode.
154 00:23:18.100 --> 00:23:24.159 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So the 1st part of the survey was, Who are you? Who answered us, and what did they do?
155 00:23:25.090 --> 00:23:31.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So we came up with this answer, I hope, and
156 00:23:31.670 --> 00:23:39.240 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: we came to the conclusion that out of sending out 500 survey questions, we got 80 back
157 00:23:39.715 --> 00:23:49.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and we figured that there were 2 people to each one. So that was 160. So that was a reasonable percentage of the population and a reasonable percentage of the houses
158 00:23:49.820 --> 00:23:52.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and a good mix of newcomers and lifelong
159 00:23:53.539 --> 00:23:59.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: residents. But of course there's always the likely bias of the people who were answering with the people who were already interested.
160 00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:05.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So let me see if I can get this to behave itself.
161 00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:13.509 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: God, let's try that one. Sorry, a very small, a slow computer. I beg your pardon.
162 00:24:16.550 --> 00:24:18.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So then let's move on.
163 00:24:22.860 --> 00:24:30.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So just giving you the details. Now, these are the slides, and I'm sort of zipping through quickly, because people can see these when they get the copy of the slideshow.
164 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So we asked how long they've been there.
165 00:24:34.210 --> 00:24:36.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: You'd asked what was important to you
166 00:24:39.940 --> 00:24:44.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and how concerned are you about the climate change?
167 00:24:44.770 --> 00:24:48.729 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: How involved you want to get in this? Because you're concerned?
168 00:24:51.540 --> 00:24:53.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah, just coming down for a few more.
169 00:25:10.540 --> 00:25:14.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So I'm sorry we're really suffering from this slow computer.
170 00:25:15.070 --> 00:25:20.409 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So again, we just do giving you the results from the survey
171 00:25:21.040 --> 00:25:28.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and showing you the sorts of questions that we asked because they were what we felt was important.
172 00:25:29.646 --> 00:25:33.923 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Do you think things are getting worse? Basically? Do you think that?
173 00:25:34.730 --> 00:25:41.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: you're seeing fewer species? Do you think everything's you notice that things have changed?
174 00:25:41.420 --> 00:25:46.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So basically getting people on side for what we're trying to do?
175 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:54.359 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And interestingly, 90% of the local population said that the climate change was as a result of human activity
176 00:25:54.470 --> 00:26:07.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: which we compared with 99% of academic studies, 97% of scientists and 99% of Phds in weather climate science so long. Sutton was pretty switched on.
177 00:26:07.970 --> 00:26:11.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I thought, oh, come on, guys.
178 00:26:26.600 --> 00:26:49.979 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So this, I thought was an interesting presentation. There was a technique for the bigger the size of the word. Then the more people had mentioned that answer in their replies to the survey. So you had a very quick indication of what people are interested in, and it was crystal clear that around us it was the countryside, the environment and the lack of
179 00:26:50.110 --> 00:26:52.729 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: wildlife, if you will.
180 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:54.529 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: That was bothering people.
181 00:26:59.530 --> 00:27:04.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So these are the sorts of questions that we asked, and this is the sort of response that we got.
182 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.229 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So what are people doing already?
183 00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:35.729 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Do they? People need help? Is there reasons that you know things that you would like to do, but you don't have the information on how to do it.
184 00:27:40.490 --> 00:27:41.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And so it goes.
185 00:28:03.510 --> 00:28:04.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Oh.
186 00:28:13.600 --> 00:28:15.416 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: which is painful, isn't it?
187 00:28:19.940 --> 00:28:24.750 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Do you? Wanna do you want to email me the presentation, Graham and I run it for you.
188 00:28:24.750 --> 00:28:28.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: That's a very good idea. Yes, let me do that. Thank you. Bear with me.
189 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.119 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Sure, we'll stop sharing
190 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: on its way.
191 00:29:25.520 --> 00:29:26.240 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Thank you.
192 00:29:27.510 --> 00:29:28.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Thank you.
193 00:29:34.840 --> 00:29:36.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: It's attached.
194 00:29:46.090 --> 00:29:50.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: You only get it as a leak, because it's more than 25 MB.
195 00:29:51.280 --> 00:29:53.700 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay, we'll see how we get by.
196 00:29:57.110 --> 00:30:01.999 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And and uploading at the speed of Winchester.
197 00:30:05.420 --> 00:30:07.539 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: should be on its way to you. Now.
198 00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:11.530 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: It's not come through yet.
199 00:30:26.675 --> 00:30:35.650 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: I will say, put a link in the chat because you can get to the presentation on the results from the survey on the long website.
200 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:38.880 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: If that's how.
201 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:43.298 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yes, it is. It's you're quite right, it is there. But
202 00:30:44.840 --> 00:30:49.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I reckon the the more I can plagiarize things, Kara, the better.
203 00:30:52.650 --> 00:30:53.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So.
204 00:31:01.100 --> 00:31:01.820 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: On it.
205 00:31:06.530 --> 00:31:32.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: in answer to your question, whilst we're waiting, Cara, the action to support retrofitting homes and decarbonizing energy advance. I don't think there's any action at all, because what people made absolutely crystal clear was that they wanted to improve the environment outside their homes. They wanted more wildlife, they wanted more rewilding. They wanted more trees.
206 00:31:32.390 --> 00:31:37.289 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and they wanted ponds and water life and stuff like that which you'll see as we go through.
207 00:31:37.830 --> 00:31:43.119 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Certainly, but I also noticed a response to the survey shows that those other things are quite important, too.
208 00:31:43.340 --> 00:31:51.510 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: So just wondered what will happen in combination of supporting nature in terms of decarbonizing, using fossil fuels, stopping climate change, running away.
209 00:31:51.510 --> 00:31:55.299 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, okay. Good. Well.
210 00:31:56.560 --> 00:32:00.589 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: This isn't your full presentation, Graham, which doesn't come through. But this is the the.
211 00:32:00.590 --> 00:32:05.063 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah. So if you just start clicking through. Yeah.
212 00:32:11.820 --> 00:32:14.348 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: This just doesn't include the bits you cut out.
213 00:32:14.630 --> 00:32:15.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yes.
214 00:32:25.980 --> 00:32:26.820 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Oops! Sorry.
215 00:32:27.120 --> 00:32:30.349 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So we should. Yes, should always keep that just about that.
216 00:32:30.550 --> 00:32:31.240 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay.
217 00:32:31.420 --> 00:32:32.086 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Keep going.
218 00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:33.600 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay.
219 00:32:37.790 --> 00:32:38.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Keep going.
220 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:41.929 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: That's the end of this one.
221 00:32:42.280 --> 00:32:50.409 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah, so this this particular slide is another one of those ones that so shows you what people would like to see us doing.
222 00:32:52.510 --> 00:32:54.549 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then if you move on.
223 00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.080 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: That's the last slide in in that piece of work.
224 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, well, you only got about half of them. That's interesting, in fact.
225 00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:07.320 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: That's what's that's what car is found on the long sudden website.
226 00:33:08.090 --> 00:33:10.859 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So it's not. It's not your presentation. It's the one off the long.
227 00:33:10.860 --> 00:33:14.200 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Oh, I'm sorry! So are you not reading the presentation.
228 00:33:14.873 --> 00:33:17.070 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: No, I haven't. It hasn't arrived yet.
229 00:33:17.350 --> 00:33:19.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: No! How very tedious.
230 00:33:19.730 --> 00:33:20.640 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay.
231 00:33:25.230 --> 00:33:26.650 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I'm just checking where.
232 00:33:27.130 --> 00:33:32.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah, if you click on the refresh button, does that help.
233 00:33:32.630 --> 00:33:34.589 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, we're awake.
234 00:33:35.450 --> 00:33:38.629 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Just above the inbox. Sound word.
235 00:33:40.210 --> 00:33:41.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah, that one.
236 00:33:42.530 --> 00:33:44.130 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Okay, there, we go.
237 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:45.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah.
238 00:33:47.110 --> 00:33:49.620 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I'll stop sharing for a minute, and I'll get onto that.
239 00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:14.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So whilst we're just getting Andrew to put this up for us, the
240 00:34:15.100 --> 00:34:19.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: survey showed us what people were interested in.
241 00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:39.689 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and then we tried to recruit people to actually help us put the results into action. And it's further to what Cara's question was, how are we doing with the retrofitting and the energy. Nobody's come forward to do anything about that and the Parish Council. I'm no longer on the Parish Council, so I'm not sure what they're doing nowadays.
242 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:48.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So I'm afraid I'm rather far removed from Long Sutton nowadays in terms of geography.
243 00:34:50.429 --> 00:34:50.844 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Right
244 00:34:54.409 --> 00:34:56.109 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: good. Here we go!
245 00:35:04.120 --> 00:35:08.869 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I'm sorry I didn't do this ahead of time. I hadn't realized my machine was going to be quite this slow.
246 00:35:11.740 --> 00:35:12.430 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Right.
247 00:35:15.310 --> 00:35:20.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Did you get a chance to go into slide mode, Andrew? Slideshow mode? Sorry.
248 00:35:24.870 --> 00:35:28.750 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Alright, I would, if I can, find something that says slideshow.
249 00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:31.139 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah, it doesn't seem to want to say it, does it?
250 00:35:31.810 --> 00:35:34.390 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: But they may have caused a problem with.
251 00:35:39.230 --> 00:35:41.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: We're not wedding today, are we?
252 00:35:41.350 --> 00:35:52.199 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So let's let's move on anyway into if you just go ahead and go triggering through the slides, you want to be at some number, I should think about 20 by now, if not further than that.
253 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah. Keep going.
254 00:36:09.010 --> 00:36:10.139 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Keep going.
255 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:16.020 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Degoing.
256 00:36:17.470 --> 00:36:20.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Keep going. That one doesn't snow keep going.
257 00:36:22.910 --> 00:36:24.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Keep going.
258 00:36:25.580 --> 00:36:26.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Keep going.
259 00:36:27.810 --> 00:36:44.469 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: hey? Thank you. Good. So we planned an open day, which we hoped all the villagers would come to the village hall, we would demonstrate the results, and we make people aware of what we could then do in answer to their results.
260 00:36:44.940 --> 00:36:55.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So the 1st thing we did was plan the open day. So I've just put a plan here because people like to know what are the steps that they have to take. So next slide, please, Andrew.
261 00:36:55.190 --> 00:36:56.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and the one after that.
262 00:36:57.810 --> 00:37:06.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So we made ourselves a goal, and we thought we'd be sort of defining success. So success would have been if you got more than 50 people to show up.
263 00:37:07.180 --> 00:37:16.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And basically these, what we wanted to do make people have some fun and encourage them to get going on what they said they wanted to do next slide, please.
264 00:37:18.460 --> 00:37:27.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So then, just again, to show people planning, we thought we'd lay out the hall in an organized manner. So this is what we we set out to do.
265 00:37:28.060 --> 00:37:30.629 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Big area for the children in the middle.
266 00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:33.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Let me allocated work next slide, please.
267 00:37:35.990 --> 00:37:41.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and said, This is what we're going to be doing for the day. Then we got down to the nitty gritty next slide
268 00:37:43.420 --> 00:37:46.519 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: gave people responsibilities next time.
269 00:37:48.500 --> 00:37:52.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And that's how we've even get people doing it next slide.
270 00:37:53.940 --> 00:38:03.410 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then this is actually what happened. So we did get more than a hundred 20 people. So we thought we were twice as successful as we thought we were going to be.
271 00:38:04.241 --> 00:38:26.179 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: You can see that people are going through various presentations. The one in the middle was where we invited people to throw up very large post-it notes. If they had fresh ideas where they wanted to say that they agreed with what the survey was showing and that sort of thing. So we were getting them to be interactive.
272 00:38:26.490 --> 00:38:28.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then next slide, please.
273 00:38:30.070 --> 00:38:31.779 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And the next one after that.
274 00:38:32.190 --> 00:38:36.004 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and we put on presentations. And
275 00:38:37.410 --> 00:38:58.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I think we had 3 or 4 presentations during the day, and it was interesting to watch how the numbers varied. So this is probably the 1st one, and got most of the seats filled. And then, as the day moved on, and it got closer to lunchtime, and the cake and the tea so lost interest, and then the numbers decreased. But
276 00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:06.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: having presentations did make a big difference. People did like that. So if you can move on to the next one, please, Andrew.
277 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:13.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: so these are the ones that we we did. And you're going to get examples of each of these. So move on, please.
278 00:39:14.550 --> 00:39:27.299 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So the 1st one was, what things can you do with materials easily to hand? So we we stuck with wood and suggested what people made. So yes, the science to Jill will be emailed out.
279 00:39:27.790 --> 00:39:30.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: please press on, Andrew.
280 00:39:31.120 --> 00:39:36.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So then we got in some really nice detailed stuff which came from the wildlife watch.
281 00:39:36.910 --> 00:39:49.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So the kids particularly were we were trying to recruit their enthusiasm because they obviously drive the parents. And so we all, these next few slides are aimed at them so what they could do at home.
282 00:39:50.310 --> 00:40:02.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and what they could find fascinating keep going so, and again and again and again.
283 00:40:03.088 --> 00:40:12.331 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So oops. Sorry about that one, but there's a a b hotel which was very useful, because we've all had this sort of problem with the bees moving on.
284 00:40:14.590 --> 00:40:21.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So we we started listing what we told them about. So they'd have a reference to remember moving on.
285 00:40:22.456 --> 00:40:26.979 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: We just test to see if anyone been paying attention moving on.
286 00:40:27.870 --> 00:40:29.580 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: You weren't going to pronounce it, were you? No.
287 00:40:30.402 --> 00:40:42.117 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Exactly so you can see the stuff that we covered was all wildlife oriented it was very much children oriented
288 00:40:43.200 --> 00:40:44.064 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and
289 00:40:45.100 --> 00:40:51.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: It did have the desired effect of getting people fascinated. Keep going, please.
290 00:40:52.660 --> 00:41:05.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So then we said we got other people to come in and make presentations, and that cemented the other environmental groups that we got working with. So if you could move on.
291 00:41:06.030 --> 00:41:20.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: the 1st one was from the wildlife people about how you can use your home and garden more welcoming. And incidentally, the people, I think the next one or 2 of our banter sessions, especially.
292 00:41:22.155 --> 00:41:23.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: specifically
293 00:41:24.350 --> 00:41:33.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: get involved with what you can do with your garden. So some of this is going to be, I think, of great interest. So rolling you can just roll through these, please, Andrew.
294 00:41:34.750 --> 00:41:37.007 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So just showing you what they're doing.
295 00:41:37.980 --> 00:41:41.209 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and then focusing on what you how you can help.
296 00:41:43.530 --> 00:41:55.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then we get into the 5 top tips. So number one was water pollinated plants, moths and bets.
297 00:41:56.680 --> 00:41:59.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Wildlife thing, really.
298 00:42:02.710 --> 00:42:04.119 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and keep going.
299 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:15.379 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then we have a summary of all those 5 points, not which it doesn't quite fit, but you can see where we're getting to rolling on.
300 00:42:17.750 --> 00:42:29.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So that was really the next step that these people were inviting them to get more involved in tree and hedge planting, because that was the greatest source of biodiversity rolling on
301 00:42:31.830 --> 00:42:39.069 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: just to give you a view of of where we're talking about going on. Yep.
302 00:42:40.460 --> 00:42:56.529 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So this is now another group. So this is reimagining the levels. The part of Somerset that we're in is known as the Somerset levels, very prone to flooding in the winter. So a lot of the work involved is, how do we reduce the impact of flooding.
303 00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:00.689 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And I think that's what we're going to be looking at the next few slides.
304 00:43:02.610 --> 00:43:14.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So people going out to try and reduce the the dangers, press on and keep going.
305 00:43:15.450 --> 00:43:17.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Just keep going, Andrew, please
306 00:43:21.410 --> 00:43:22.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: to
307 00:43:22.640 --> 00:43:35.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: lots of stuff, basically, that is going on around everybody. And we didn't know in long sudden that this was going on just a mile down the road. So, having a day that was open really helped
308 00:43:35.990 --> 00:43:37.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: because the word spread.
309 00:43:38.910 --> 00:43:41.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So that was the reimagining the levels people
310 00:43:42.510 --> 00:43:46.294 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: then, if we can, just oh, this is not too large, anyway.
311 00:43:47.990 --> 00:43:59.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So let me go through this, that as a result of the degree of interest that was raised. The Parish Council decided to give us the Environment Group some money, and they gave us a thousand pounds a year.
312 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:04.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and the 1st thing we did was to have a consultation with the Oops. Can we go back?
313 00:44:05.260 --> 00:44:09.048 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Consultation with the wildlife group groups.
314 00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:11.670 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yep.
315 00:44:11.670 --> 00:44:13.410 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: There you go. Yeah.
316 00:44:14.157 --> 00:44:24.439 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and basically, the Wildlife Trust comes in and advises you what the land around you in your parish is being used for? And could there be better use?
317 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:40.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And the 1st thing that comes out of that is well, who owns the land and who is working on it, which, of course, in Somerset, is largely farmers, but it turned out that the ownership of the land was much more convoluted than anybody actually realized.
318 00:44:41.669 --> 00:44:53.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And therefore we wanted to get the landowners on our side. So we 1st of all worked out who they were. We put it all on a map.
319 00:44:53.410 --> 00:44:56.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and then we would work out what we're going to do with it.
320 00:44:57.130 --> 00:45:13.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So then the Parish Council said, well, actually, we would think we support this. So go ahead and put trees all around the recreation ground, which was very handy because it was next to the school. So we were keeping the children's interest up. That's a primary school, by the way.
321 00:45:14.190 --> 00:45:34.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And interestingly, they decided that they'd leave half of the village green as it was at the moment, which is being mown every so often. It looked neat and tidy, and the classic sort of village green, and then the other half. They left it to the rewilding people. And it's very interesting now to see
322 00:45:34.940 --> 00:45:47.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: where the people prefer the wilding and the life, the wildlife, that it generates, the insects and the bees and the butterflies in particular, whereas the grass is, is more
323 00:45:47.220 --> 00:45:51.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: organized and appealing, but not necessarily quite so rich in wildlife.
324 00:45:52.400 --> 00:46:21.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then, finally, we persuaded the Parish Council to give us some land to put into action some of those things, those 5 Principles that the Wildlife Trust was showing us. So you know, put a pond in, put in butterflies and things like that. And we are doing that at the moment in terms of planning. So we've been given the land. We've been getting rid of the stuff that was there from beforehand.
325 00:46:21.750 --> 00:46:30.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and we're now working out what to do to meet those 5 points and to see what could most create the interest around them.
326 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:33.339 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then the
327 00:46:33.730 --> 00:46:40.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: what was the ongoing stuff that was keeping people interested turned out to be the various owls that we had around.
328 00:46:41.250 --> 00:46:43.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and we started putting
329 00:46:44.070 --> 00:46:53.929 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: nesting boxes up for them and tracking them on again on the mapping system. So if we move on, please, Andrew.
330 00:46:55.710 --> 00:47:16.369 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: all right. So here's 1 of the owl boxes going up, and I must confess that I had no idea how much space an owl needed to have a nice comfortable nest. So this is for a tawny owl, and I think we put one up for each size. So we had large medium and small, depending on whether we had tawny owls, barn owls, or little owls
331 00:47:16.910 --> 00:47:18.410 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: moving on.
332 00:47:19.850 --> 00:47:31.259 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So, again, trying to keep the school interested, we put a stunning nesting box up on the outside wall of the school, and agreed that the
333 00:47:31.950 --> 00:47:43.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: we'd really keep people's interest by putting a camera inside which the kids could then come along and see what was happening with all the hungry little baby starlings, and how Mum fed them, and so forth.
334 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:45.729 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So moving on.
335 00:47:47.240 --> 00:47:53.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: This was the landowner property. So you can see that the in in theory
336 00:47:53.900 --> 00:48:01.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: each owner has the same color. So lots of owners, lots of colors, lots of land not adjacent necessarily to each other.
337 00:48:01.950 --> 00:48:17.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: but this then, gave us the opportunity to go to the landowners and say, Why can't we do this? And would you be interested in doing that, and to show them what they could do and what would be interesting. We used the friends of the Earth layers
338 00:48:17.520 --> 00:48:24.459 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: which you'll see in the next couple of slides. So the 1st one which I've thrown in with the overhead photography
339 00:48:25.183 --> 00:48:34.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: gives you the tree canopy map and makes it crystal clear where you can use existing tree lines to
340 00:48:36.150 --> 00:48:44.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: rather than just throw trees anywhere you can get them to fall in line with existing tree lines and thus get a wider canopy spread
341 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: next slide, please.
342 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.844 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So then there's also the woodland opportunities. Layer.
343 00:48:52.410 --> 00:49:07.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: The hatch areas on this layer are land that is not really suitable for the more profitable crops. So farmers aren't using it to grow, whatever it is that they want to be growing, whether it's rape or corn or wheat barley.
344 00:49:08.070 --> 00:49:09.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: whatever
345 00:49:10.610 --> 00:49:33.849 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And they've tried to tie them together to get the corridor effect, but also, in particular, trying to persuade the landowners that these can become productive commercial sites, so they'll generate an income, for the landowner won't necessarily be immediate income, but it will come, and it'll certainly be better than the nothing that they're probably getting from that area at the moment.
346 00:49:34.210 --> 00:49:35.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So moving on.
347 00:49:39.590 --> 00:49:54.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And that's the last slide. And really what I've tried to hope I've conveyed is that just by somebody standing up and saying, I think we should start an environmental group. Then the impact was substantial
348 00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:59.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and it's still ongoing lots of areas we haven't touched.
349 00:49:59.410 --> 00:50:01.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So I hope that's helpful.
350 00:50:02.540 --> 00:50:06.099 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And I'm wide open to people who need to ask rude questions.
351 00:50:06.940 --> 00:50:15.295 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Many thanks, Graham, that's for me. That was a very compelling story that going all the way through so many thanks for sharing that
352 00:50:17.050 --> 00:50:24.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So there's a question from Jill, was the Environment group set up by the Parish Council. The answer was, Yes.
353 00:50:25.783 --> 00:50:29.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: thanks for the green size. There, Cora, that's interesting.
354 00:50:29.750 --> 00:50:32.349 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And the link to reimagining the levels. Yep.
355 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:42.119 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Anybody else need to raise questions, make comments, offer thoughts.
356 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:46.130 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Can I make a point? Graham?
357 00:50:46.630 --> 00:50:47.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Sure.
358 00:50:47.470 --> 00:50:51.949 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: The problem we have in Martok is that
359 00:50:52.130 --> 00:51:05.359 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: there are plenty plenty of people with ideas. There are plenty of people who who are prepared to help out doing odd things. But we're very short of people who would
360 00:51:05.750 --> 00:51:10.410 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: be an organizer of an idea.
361 00:51:11.180 --> 00:51:25.379 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Is this common, or is it just, Martok. So the trouble is that you know we've not. It's very difficult to get something off the ground, and it usually is the the same. 2 or 3 people who do it. If it gets off the ground.
362 00:51:25.950 --> 00:51:30.859 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, that's exactly what I hoped we were sharing with this presentation. That one.
363 00:51:30.860 --> 00:51:31.400 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: M.
364 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Stood up and said, We don't have an environment group, and I think we should. And everyone said, We'll go for it.
365 00:51:37.770 --> 00:51:45.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And that one person recruited 2 or 3 others, and they said, Let's go ahead and create a charter.
366 00:51:45.130 --> 00:51:45.570 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: No.
367 00:51:45.570 --> 00:51:51.950 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: The wrong road to go down. So then we rehashed it and said, Let's put out a survey and see what people want to do.
368 00:51:52.190 --> 00:52:10.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then out of the the open day that everyone came in to see the results of the survey and see what they could do with the children and the home stuff. Then everything started rolling, and the environment group has varied from between 5 and 10 people depending upon
369 00:52:11.177 --> 00:52:22.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: personal lives. So people get very, very busy in the summer in the tourist season, when, if they're sort of in accommodation or they're doing something like hospitality, they can't
370 00:52:22.630 --> 00:52:31.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: move. So they back off for 6 months, but somebody else will come in and someone else came in and and brought in the owls, and so all that started out.
371 00:52:31.972 --> 00:52:40.647 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So I think it's what we said else elsewhere in great collaboration. Banter sessions is
372 00:52:43.560 --> 00:53:06.469 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: you have to go with what the locals want, because it's the only way. You will indeed get people to join in and to start taking responsibility for various actions. And if you look at some of the sessions that people have done which are on the Wiki, the website. You can go and have a look at them. The enthusiasm is astonishing.
373 00:53:06.470 --> 00:53:22.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: It really does work to make sure that you don't tell people what to do? You just say, is there an issue with climate change? And what would anyone like to do about it, and if there's a dead silence, then you sort of say, well, you might like to consider
374 00:53:22.530 --> 00:53:35.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: under headings of like food, transport, energy, retrofitting insulation, that sort of thing, and that does usually trigger people's interest, you know. Each person probably has some
375 00:53:35.270 --> 00:53:51.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: focal point that they like to concentrate on, and that's how we got in Long Sutton. The interest level. Just one bloke started it, and then it went up to 10. And you've got all those other groups coming in and presenting, and they get enthusiasm. And so it goes.
376 00:53:52.750 --> 00:53:54.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Hope that helps.
377 00:53:54.530 --> 00:53:57.427 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Hmm! We've only got about 3, not 10.
378 00:53:58.356 --> 00:54:02.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, you're only a little pace, like, you know.
379 00:54:02.300 --> 00:54:04.540 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: I interject. If you don't mind.
380 00:54:04.540 --> 00:54:06.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Please do, Karen. It's your turn, anyway.
381 00:54:07.620 --> 00:54:18.129 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Like so when I was on the town camp for Langport many years ago, and involved in a local charity that was supporting
382 00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:27.139 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: I suppose. Eco building to become the norm of 2010 with this strap line I was what amazed that the
383 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:35.350 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: town was getting Eco buildings built. But there wasn't any community engagement about more widely environmental impacts and support.
384 00:54:35.450 --> 00:54:50.619 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: And we were inspired. I went to an event. And so Rob Hopkins speak twice about the transition town movement, which is still functioning, but that was great, because it had a kind of blueprint, so to speak, of how to set up a group of those different
385 00:54:51.052 --> 00:55:12.307 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: focus areas that people would lead, as Graham has eloquently discussed. But I guess what was great was about. How do you kick that off in them in the 1st instance, and we just had an open share, a meal event with a poster saying, Are you interested in environmental issues and listed all kinds of things, and then just had, like,
386 00:55:12.890 --> 00:55:23.859 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: an open space session where we introduce saying we'd really like to create some form of community action group, looking at what we can do in the town on various issues to do with environmental self-resilience.
387 00:55:24.110 --> 00:55:30.339 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: And and from that, and it's still going now is a long standing
388 00:55:30.590 --> 00:55:51.949 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: transition group in Langport which has delivered all sorts of things from a community food Co-OP share community garden. We've done things around retrofits mending, fixing all kinds of relevant things that have then been taken up by various people in the community that are passionate about this subject. I thought that was quite a useful way to kick off
389 00:55:52.050 --> 00:55:53.450 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: a group like that.
390 00:55:54.460 --> 00:56:00.659 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: So there was 2 2 tranches to to that as well, because the Council also did write an environment
391 00:56:00.810 --> 00:56:21.979 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: charter or a green charter. But that was specifically for the Council itself. How it was going to support decarbonisation, acting on the climate, ecological emergency. So it wasn't dictating to the wider community what they need to do. It's trying to lead by example and saying, these are the pledges that we make as a council, that going to help in the hope that that would also have conversation inspire others who maybe wanted to do more.
392 00:56:22.130 --> 00:56:34.479 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: so that, I think, went quite well in terms of focusing on the Council of doing things internally, which would demonstrate that they were engaged passionate and delivering stuff for themselves around acting on the climate, ecological emergency.
393 00:56:35.590 --> 00:56:45.549 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, there was that wonderful day in Somerton that you came to, and made a presentation at which sort of showed the level of interest that there was, and that was what 5 years ago.
394 00:56:46.580 --> 00:56:47.050 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Yeah, at least.
395 00:56:47.050 --> 00:56:54.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Something like that. And and yes, the reimagining the levels. People were partly responsible for creating that, weren't they?
396 00:56:54.990 --> 00:56:59.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So they've been a group that's been going for a while, and has got quite a lot of impetus behind them.
397 00:57:00.450 --> 00:57:23.390 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Yeah, reimagine levels are focused mainly on having realised that Somerset has got very low canopy cover the lowest in the country of any county. It felt important that had to be led, and there were experts within that group that started reimagining the levels in order to achieve the co-benefits of tree planting to help with biodiversity. But, as you mentioned earlier, reducing issues around flooding
398 00:57:23.955 --> 00:57:29.479 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: so that is a very successful organization that wholeheartedly support. And the Greenside Fair each year
399 00:57:29.590 --> 00:57:32.190 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: as part of their event to help.
400 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:43.620 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: I suppose, not using the word offset, but help support removing the carbon that comes from putting on event in rural Somerset, where there is very little public transport to get to a
401 00:57:43.820 --> 00:57:56.390 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: a site out on the levels, puts a kind of carbon tax on people buying tickets for the mileage that it takes them to get there, and that money will go through reimagine the levels to plantries in the area of Somerset.
402 00:57:57.920 --> 00:57:59.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Okay. Thank you.
403 00:57:59.650 --> 00:58:00.660 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: David.
404 00:58:02.900 --> 00:58:13.459 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): Yes, were there any arguments or disagreements between the people doing this?
405 00:58:13.650 --> 00:58:16.749 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): We've just had an attempt to set up
406 00:58:17.070 --> 00:58:23.020 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): a save Spindlebury Park group fall apart because the people setting it up.
407 00:58:23.540 --> 00:58:26.239 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): or one of them was particularly
408 00:58:26.390 --> 00:58:30.959 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): upset when anyone suggested any different way of doing things.
409 00:58:32.001 --> 00:58:42.559 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: We did have one of those events, and it was resolved by one of the 2 ladies involved quitting. So she left the Environment group
410 00:58:43.677 --> 00:58:49.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: which actually, we were all sorry to see her go. We hadn't, I think the
411 00:58:49.300 --> 00:59:04.170 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: event that caused the upset was unintentional on both sides. No one realized that a the 1st person was speaking in such a way that would upset the second person, and the second person couldn't believe that it was not done intentionally
412 00:59:04.460 --> 00:59:10.069 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: so. The solution in our particular case was that one of the the ladies left?
413 00:59:10.680 --> 00:59:21.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: But yes, I think there is always room for discussion or upset at the end of.
414 00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:25.109 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): Sorry. The other thing I was going to ask was.
415 00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:30.599 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): how easy or hard was it to get all these other people to come along.
416 00:59:32.010 --> 00:59:32.770 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): If I'm about to.
417 00:59:32.770 --> 00:59:37.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I'm suffering from the bad sound that they're saying. Could you ask the question again?
418 00:59:38.180 --> 00:59:43.729 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): Yeah, how easy or hard was it to get these other organizations to come along to you.
419 00:59:45.110 --> 00:59:47.640 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: They were very willing. Very willing.
420 00:59:52.210 --> 00:59:53.342 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Does that help.
421 00:59:53.720 --> 00:59:55.310 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): Yeah, okay.
422 00:59:56.413 --> 00:59:59.469 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah, Andrew, please.
423 01:00:01.420 --> 01:00:25.229 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: This is all great stuff. One of the things I say to people when I'm making presentations as parish councils, we're obliged to have an annual parish meeting where the law residents come along and tell us what we're doing, right or wrong, and when I became a clerk, the parish I was clerking to had made it an opportunity for local organizations to have a stand.
424 01:00:25.550 --> 01:00:50.179 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: And so it was all popular, you know. It was the Bowling group. It was the British Legion, whatever it is. So I say to everybody, you know, if you're going to have as a parish council, get some things going invite people to your parish meeting, and some parishes, I have to say, actually don't have a parish meeting, even though they're supposed to. But it's a great opportunity to get people along and share ideas with them, and maybe have a discussion at the same time.
425 01:00:51.250 --> 01:00:52.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Hatred.
426 01:00:54.410 --> 01:00:55.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Tara again.
427 01:00:56.270 --> 01:01:06.780 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: How did the survey get to all the householders? Did somebody post it through doors? Did we have doorstep conversations? It's pretty interesting to know how that
428 01:01:07.170 --> 01:01:09.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: We? We posted it through everyone's door.
429 01:01:09.350 --> 01:01:12.530 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: And then did. How was it followed up? Because obviously, people.
430 01:01:12.530 --> 01:01:14.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I think we actually
431 01:01:14.590 --> 01:01:33.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: posted them and put in the Newsletter, and in Long Sutton we have both a hard copy newsletter and an entirely separate E-newsletter that people do online, and I think we pointed them in both cases to Surveymonkey, and we did the survey with Surveymonkey.
432 01:01:35.610 --> 01:01:46.669 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Great, and was there a link as well for people who said they're particularly passionate about any of the subject matter to be able to feed back in and see if they wanted to help support or lead parts of that group.
433 01:01:48.018 --> 01:01:52.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: No, I think we did. We asked for that at the the day the open day.
434 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:56.740 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Okay, because that would be another way to try and
435 01:01:57.570 --> 01:02:03.430 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: eke out who in your community is particularly passionate about being involved, I guess, in terms of Andrew's question
436 01:02:03.580 --> 01:02:05.270 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: is to find out who.
437 01:02:05.270 --> 01:02:14.299 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I think we found as a very small parish, was that the degree of interest in a wide range of subjects was quite
438 01:02:14.470 --> 01:02:42.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: large. In other words, there were very scattered topics, and we had to come down to the 2 or 3 that we really thought would generate the most interest. And that's the way we've gone. So, as you pointed out, there is not anybody who's doing retrofitting or anything like that. But there are people actually, they really do enjoy working with nature, whether it's planting trees or digging ponds, or tearing hedgerows.
439 01:02:42.350 --> 01:02:53.340 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Of course, which is, you know, very important, being a country that has suffered immensely from the decline in biodiversity, still shocking to kind of comprehend how much we have lost. But I guess
440 01:02:53.600 --> 01:03:16.818 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: from my environmental point of view, is that it's it's brilliant, and it's important to support and enhance and rebuild nature. But if we're not also urgently dealing with decarbonisation getting off fossil fuels, then it's going to really struggle to thrive. So I just wonder how I think we're all trying to find. How do we go from tree planting to solar panels, electric cars, you know.
441 01:03:17.460 --> 01:03:22.960 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: renewable energy tariffs, and those kind of things equally so that we're getting the right balance.
442 01:03:25.180 --> 01:03:48.697 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, I've moved from Somerset to the Isle of Wight, where the Parish Council is indeed getting involved in exactly those matters that you're talking to. So we're charging the church and the village hall, and all the sort of so-called public buildings to go solar as an example. And then
443 01:03:49.260 --> 01:04:00.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: you're probably aware that we're working with parish online on all those roofs that can be used for solar. And actually, there's some very good apps out. Now that say that even if you have east
444 01:04:00.410 --> 01:04:29.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: facing roofs or north, facing, they can still generate electricity with the modern panels. So it's going. And I think a lot of it has got to do with the Parish Council coming up and said, here are ways that you can get funding for this, because there still are the organizations now that agree to put the panels in at no cost to you. And then, as you save on your future electricity bills, so they're taking the cost of the panels.
445 01:04:29.810 --> 01:04:31.569 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Subscription, isn't it?
446 01:04:31.570 --> 01:04:36.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah. And that that does seem to be working because quite a lot of people are taking that up.
447 01:04:38.540 --> 01:04:47.055 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: so it's an ongoing process. I think you you know, Cara, we just have to keep plugging away at all those things that we see not being done.
448 01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:55.880 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Amanda. By the way, there is a link actually in the chat session to the survey which Cara put up for us.
449 01:04:56.570 --> 01:05:00.739 Amanda Davis: Okay, thank you. Apologies. I joined a bit after you'd started, and
450 01:05:01.163 --> 01:05:09.569 Amanda Davis: when when you were getting the tech working, so I might have missed that. I wonder if you could say a little bit more about.
451 01:05:10.060 --> 01:05:14.909 Amanda Davis: Okay, let me put it this way. My parish council has got parish online.
452 01:05:15.810 --> 01:05:26.649 Amanda Davis: but councillors don't use it, and we I've never seen anybody say, Please, can you use it to do this for us? It's just in the office and the office uses it.
453 01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:31.860 Amanda Davis: So I would like to know a little bit more about how we could.
454 01:05:32.460 --> 01:05:36.479 Amanda Davis: how how you went about getting the wild. Did you say it was a wildlife trust.
455 01:05:37.070 --> 01:05:37.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yes.
456 01:05:38.250 --> 01:05:41.759 Amanda Davis: Yeah, how did how did your involvement with them
457 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.370 Amanda Davis: end up getting to a point where you've got maps.
458 01:05:46.610 --> 01:05:51.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, because they made it clear that you need to work with the landowners.
459 01:05:52.020 --> 01:06:06.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and they said in their survey, This is what the land is being used for at the moment, but you might find it much more appealing to do that with it. But you can't do that without talking to the landowner, and then it became essential to find out who the landowners were.
460 01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:11.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and in order to see who owned what we put it into parish online.
461 01:06:12.090 --> 01:06:22.920 Amanda Davis: Okay, so is it, is it more that you at Parish council level, used your own licensed copy of parish online? And you input the data.
462 01:06:24.260 --> 01:06:25.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well.
463 01:06:27.210 --> 01:06:35.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: it probably was helpful that I was a counselor, and I am a fan of parish online. So I did all the work.
464 01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:39.699 Amanda Davis: So here we go, Graham, here's an offer for you. Would you like a holiday in bought on the water.
465 01:06:41.690 --> 01:06:49.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: If I could direct you to my website, Amanda, I'll tell you exactly how I can help you and how much it'll cost.
466 01:06:49.711 --> 01:06:52.118 Amanda Davis: That's fine. That's absolutely fine.
467 01:06:52.600 --> 01:07:14.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: We do. I do do a course which shows people what they can be doing with parish online. And if they aren't, then why aren't they? And the point is to show them that you can save them time. You can save them money, and you can help them operate more efficiently. And I've yet to come across a parish clerk who had lots of time and lots of money on their
468 01:07:15.270 --> 01:07:16.599 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: at their disposal.
469 01:07:16.940 --> 01:07:30.259 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and they usually are overworked and underpaid. And therefore, if you can demonstrate that if they can find a few minutes to undergo the learning curve, then they actually do save themselves a lot of time.
470 01:07:30.370 --> 01:07:52.189 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and they can save themselves a huge amount of time if you persuade them that a lot of the data they're looking for is sitting at the district or council, or sorry county or unitary level. And then you got to go through the battle of getting the information from those resources. But once they start getting it. Then it is astonishing how helpful it is.
471 01:07:52.970 --> 01:07:55.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And also you heard me say before, here.
472 01:07:55.830 --> 01:07:56.360 Amanda Davis: But there.
473 01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:04.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Some counties, some counties that export 0 information, and there are some counties that export the whole bloody lot.
474 01:08:04.850 --> 01:08:14.519 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and you've got all the variations in between and the ones that export you. The whole bloody lot are marvelous.
475 01:08:14.520 --> 01:08:17.590 Amanda Davis: Maybe Andrew could tell me whether Gloucestershire is one of them.
476 01:08:18.726 --> 01:08:20.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Gloucestershire is half and half.
477 01:08:21.380 --> 01:08:25.080 Amanda Davis: Thank you and Cotswold District Council, which is me.
478 01:08:25.390 --> 01:08:53.410 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, if you'd like to talk to me separately, I'd go through the routine of how you get the Council to start doing it, because in most cases it's an educational issue. They don't know that councils down at the parish level have the facilities to use geographic information systems once they know, and also you can persuade them that they don't have to do any work. It's all done for them by parish online people. Then all of a sudden it changes.
479 01:08:53.960 --> 01:09:10.390 Amanda Davis: And on Cotswold national landscape, or any national landscape. But I happen to be the Parish and Town Council. Rep. For 40 parishes in the north of the Cotswolds. Presume Cotswold national landscape actually has the whole national landscape data at that level.
480 01:09:10.470 --> 01:09:30.410 Amanda Davis: And I'm thinking that one of the roles I could add value in my role with Cnnl is to use this sort of data to show how parishes can join up to do this, because it would be far easier if we got through. It'd be better, more impactful, but also easier, if we shared the effort between a cluster of Parish councils.
481 01:09:31.470 --> 01:09:46.639 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, it's fascinating the A. You're talking to people in Somerset, B. Somerset is going through the transition from county and district councils to unitary, and in the meantime have gone completely bankrupt
482 01:09:46.700 --> 01:10:01.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: along the way which really helps, and the concept that they came up with to replace the district councils was to have what are called local community networks, which are clusters of parishes, all working together.
483 01:10:01.950 --> 01:10:25.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: and that, like everything else, comes down to which human individuals have you got involved now? How successful are they getting people to work together, and how not? And again, Somerset is a wonderful example of some of the local community networks are actually one heck of a lot busier and more lively and more effective than others
484 01:10:25.340 --> 01:10:26.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: in the immigration.
485 01:10:26.330 --> 01:10:26.830 Amanda Davis: Drink me.
486 01:10:26.830 --> 01:10:28.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: It comes down to human beings.
487 01:10:31.100 --> 01:10:37.400 Amanda Davis: Sorry. I think we've got a delay on the line, I said. It's it sounds like we're recreating districts, doesn't it?
488 01:10:39.522 --> 01:10:41.399 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I'm not going down that road.
489 01:10:43.150 --> 01:10:52.909 Amanda Davis: No, it was a rhetorical question. It didn't need answering. But it's yeah. It's an interesting one, but I will take it offline in terms of asking you about use of maps.
490 01:10:52.910 --> 01:10:56.026 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Okay, maybe you've got an answer coming to you from Andrew.
491 01:10:56.830 --> 01:11:14.799 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Well, I think, in terms of the proposed devolution changes in England. There's an opportunity actually for parish councils to step up a lot more and be more visible, and to do things with it because they will be even more the nearest local authority to the community. So that's where I'm coming from
492 01:11:15.130 --> 01:11:27.020 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: going back to Kara's Point about about getting people to move on or get more interested to all the rest of it. That it's as the Irish community said, it's the way you tell them.
493 01:11:27.547 --> 01:11:30.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: We do need. We do need.
494 01:11:30.410 --> 01:11:52.520 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: We do need the right messages for the right people at the right time, and we've got we're lucky enough to have an intern postgraduate intern from King's College, London, who's having us looking at that for the 1st half of this year. So we're looking at the different audiences and the different mindsets that they might be in. We're helped partly by climate outreach's analysis of even
495 01:11:52.520 --> 01:12:01.289 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: the people who are ready up for climate change, the different views that they have of it. Obviously, we have the climate deniers, you know, lurking in the near foreground.
496 01:12:01.290 --> 01:12:22.919 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: But what we've we've got a group of people that started from one of these sessions. Actually, people saying, we need to. We know this is important. We want to share ideas and concepts about how we get these messages across. What are the messages? How do we explain? How often do we have to send them out? There's some people who say, if you send out a message. It has to send a message 10 times to
497 01:12:22.970 --> 01:12:38.379 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: get in repay attention. But if you send the wrong message 10 times, you'll never hear from those people again, you know. So I think that there is, in a sense, communication is the big thing at the moment, because people need to get the right message and get some action going.
498 01:12:39.150 --> 01:12:52.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, I I love the the links that people put up in the chats in these sessions, because there's really stuff that's fantastically useful there. And, Carl, thank you for your contributions, as always, and you have another question.
499 01:12:53.800 --> 01:13:02.769 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: It's really just to follow on what Andrew is saying, which is spot on and brilliant, in my opinion, but also changing, maybe what it is we're trying to communicate
500 01:13:03.860 --> 01:13:25.110 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: because I'm a devout environmentalist. I'm obviously about the doom saying about God. We need to do something urgently, because we're all going to die. But actually, what is interesting is that you don't really bring on a number of people on that kind of messaging, and Rob Hopkins is now kind of stepped back a bit from the transition movement is working more into imagination and creating solution, thinking.
501 01:13:25.110 --> 01:13:40.709 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: And what's really interesting to do a workshop with people, and it's been done, not just by him, but several organizations, and in prisons about visioning the future and sort of looking back from 2030, if that's your kind of target aim, date. To do amazing things
502 01:13:40.710 --> 01:13:58.460 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: is to engage with people and say, What does it smell, feel, taste like? What do you, and then from that you can then link it into what people are really passionate about seeing and creating action from that which is fascinating, because you don't even have to mention climate change or climate catastrophe or ecological breakdown.
503 01:13:58.460 --> 01:14:14.849 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: What people all actually want is to live in safe and healthy and happy environments, with no noise, less pollution. All those things obviously feed into the fact that those actions that we need to see happening if we're going to radically act on the climate ecological emergency.
504 01:14:14.850 --> 01:14:30.630 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: I just thought that was a really interesting toolkit in which to engage people on and do it in a pub or in a cafe, of course, is a place that people feel more comfortable in going because they're familiar with that, and it reduces any of that anxiety you might get in a more formal location.
505 01:14:31.890 --> 01:14:42.089 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: I've been to one of Rob's sessions, and it does work with a with a you know, a medium sized group. I think it was about 30 of us, or the parish clerks while he was talking to us about that.
506 01:14:42.200 --> 01:15:09.119 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yes, there's no one single message that will reach everybody. It's still rather depressing that when there's somebody comes and speaks on the BBC. Breakfast news not so long ago, and they're still banging on about. Oh, we've reached 1.5 degrees average increase in temperature. Now, we've got to do desperate things to stop getting to 2.5. I'm thinking. You know, you've just turned off about a 3rd of the population already. Can we be a bit more clever about this?
507 01:15:09.260 --> 01:15:21.159 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: You know we've started the discussions at these meetings. We started with with a postgraduate student. Looking at this, I'm slightly depressed that nobody else is doing it. But maybe other people are doing it around the country. We just haven't met them yet.
508 01:15:22.020 --> 01:15:25.309 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Could well be. It's how do we unite and support.
509 01:15:25.310 --> 01:15:26.050 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: That's a message.
510 01:15:26.050 --> 01:15:40.010 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Busy place, but also alongside the climate. Outreach the guy that set that up. George Marshall has written a book. It's quite a few years old now, but it talks also about how do we engage with the people that this sort of subject isn't
511 01:15:40.450 --> 01:15:43.290 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: either not important to them, or they're just deniers
512 01:15:43.470 --> 01:16:09.020 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: so very similar looks at what is it? What kind of people are they? What is it that inspires them? And how do we then weave the narrative into those things that they suddenly realize. Oh, actually, some of the things I'm really passionate about are particularly being impacted by climate change or by diversity loss. Or, again, have this kind of conversation about creative solutions in which they'll be inspired to do something without realizing that they're actually become climate activists.
513 01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:13.800 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of actions which have got what was the phrase Co. Benefits that actually better.
514 01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:14.190 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Yes.
515 01:16:14.190 --> 01:16:15.930 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: The environment as well.
516 01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:45.249 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: My, my general mission, is that the more we can get things happening and visibly happening at local level, as you're saying, starting small, whatever it is, and letting people know about it. That will help encourage people to take more interest at all levels of society, including all the way up to Number 10. So the more we do this, the more we have these sessions, more people try this stuff on the ground. The more we join things up the better. So you know, we're dedicated to that, and we need to keep doing that. And
517 01:16:45.330 --> 01:16:46.820 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: and I know you feel the same.
518 01:16:47.250 --> 01:16:48.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And we had a speech.
519 01:16:48.300 --> 01:16:55.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: You said that the way to catch people's attention was to show them how doing all this stuff would actually save them money.
520 01:16:56.087 --> 01:17:04.660 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: They're more energy efficient. Then that sort of is you hit them through their pockets, or you attract them through their pockets. Whichever is the right word.
521 01:17:05.620 --> 01:17:10.580 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah, that may work better with people who can afford to put on in their own solar panels. I know what you mean.
522 01:17:10.580 --> 01:17:10.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Cool.
523 01:17:10.980 --> 01:17:11.560 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah.
524 01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:24.829 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: but those people are important. Yeah, let's start with them. Heavens! There's a street of houses. There's people there who are well off. They offer them a bulk. Buy of panels. There we go. Wait for your hand to be bitten off. Yes, indeed.
525 01:17:24.830 --> 01:17:29.080 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: We've we've had quite a few schemes like that in Somerset. That work really well,
526 01:17:30.830 --> 01:17:40.160 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: and we need to revive it, because actually, one of them was so overwhelmed they eventually couldn't keep up with the demand and have had to step away from the scheme. There is another one that
527 01:17:40.410 --> 01:17:48.800 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: I'm still not entirely convinced, but some councils are engaging with, but they want 10 grand to set up the scheme in the community in order to do all the Pr. And engagement.
528 01:17:48.950 --> 01:18:16.910 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: But I think if you can find a local installer which there are many if you go onto the Mcs website, which has all the certified renewable energy installers, including the Pv ones, to communicate with a few of them. They're more than happy to do a discount scheme if they can get, say, 8 to 10 householders in a similar area to deliver at the same time, because it saves them money delivering it which they can pass on to the consumer, which is another good way, and there are grants available, particularly for those in
529 01:18:17.360 --> 01:18:46.689 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: has with Epcs of below C, so DEFG, which is also going to be revived to a new scheme soon, and Eco funding as well, which helps people know incomes to access solar panels and retrofit solutions for free. So again, it's about, how can we inform people and enable them to engage with those opportunities that can support, decarbonize, and save energy and their bills. Now.
530 01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:50.870 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Cara, could you put the link to those installers in the chat, please? Because I know.
531 01:18:50.870 --> 01:18:53.589 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Yeah, I'll put the Mcs link in the chat for you.
532 01:18:53.590 --> 01:18:54.170 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Thank you.
533 01:18:55.030 --> 01:18:57.329 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: There's a lot of Parish Council who've been chosen.
534 01:18:58.300 --> 01:19:05.539 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So whilst we're waiting for that to pop up, let me just check with that. Anybody else has any thing they wish to ask, or contributions to make.
535 01:19:09.730 --> 01:19:12.911 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: So no pressure. Cara, we're all just waiting on you.
536 01:19:14.030 --> 01:19:16.733 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: That's a good job. You know him.
537 01:19:17.740 --> 01:19:20.958 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: He's had a he's had a bad day. Be nice!
538 01:19:21.280 --> 01:19:23.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Let's do it. What can we do for you?
539 01:19:24.080 --> 01:19:30.625 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: I'd just like to float an idea. I've been to several
540 01:19:31.610 --> 01:19:35.000 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: air source heat pump talks recently by
541 01:19:35.110 --> 01:19:38.060 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: accredited air source heat pump installers.
542 01:19:39.090 --> 01:19:48.360 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: and they tend to tell you about the efficiency cop of 3 cop of 4 this and the other
543 01:19:49.120 --> 01:19:53.439 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: how quiet they are! How efficient they are.
544 01:19:54.130 --> 01:19:58.549 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: They tend to avoid talking about having to
545 01:19:58.810 --> 01:20:05.390 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: possibly increase the size of all your hot water circuits
546 01:20:05.570 --> 01:20:12.189 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: and increase the size of your radiators, and you need to add a hot water cylinder.
547 01:20:13.405 --> 01:20:16.879 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: I don't think many people are going to take this up.
548 01:20:17.733 --> 01:20:20.719 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: I think it's great for a new build.
549 01:20:21.160 --> 01:20:28.649 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: But if we've got 20 million houses to retrofit is not going to happen.
550 01:20:29.210 --> 01:20:35.139 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: and I haven't heard anyone talking about replacing a gas boiler with an electric boiler
551 01:20:35.750 --> 01:20:39.349 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: which can use the same pipe work, same radiators.
552 01:20:40.570 --> 01:20:44.049 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: You just take out the gas boiler, put in an electric boiler.
553 01:20:44.290 --> 01:20:50.430 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: Now I know the running cost would be more, because gas is only a quarter. The price of electricity.
554 01:20:51.180 --> 01:20:58.660 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: The electric boiler is more efficient than the gas boiler. So I guess you're looking at 3 times. Maybe the running cost.
555 01:21:00.180 --> 01:21:07.669 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: If you start adding in a few extras like a hot water tank, maybe you could use cheap off peak electricity.
556 01:21:09.270 --> 01:21:16.050 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: but the the main aim of the game is to stop burning fossil fuels, which the electric boiler will do if the grid
557 01:21:16.649 --> 01:21:19.880 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: is green, and if it is up to it
558 01:21:20.767 --> 01:21:25.250 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: I haven't heard anyone sort of promoting this sort of idea.
559 01:21:25.390 --> 01:21:27.360 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: I was just wondering what the team think.
560 01:21:31.110 --> 01:21:34.163 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: rather than giving the 7,000 pound
561 01:21:34.990 --> 01:21:44.099 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: grant to people to install the air source heat pump. They could give them 7,000 pounds off the next 2 years. Electricity bills or something.
562 01:21:44.830 --> 01:21:46.460 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: anyway. Just an idea.
563 01:21:46.940 --> 01:22:13.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I think there are lots of ideas. I think there's a lot going on with community energy schemes. So if you can put up your own Solar Farm or your own wind turbines, and the benefit to the community is substantial, and particularly if you're suggesting that people go with electric boilers, then, having your own local, renewable energy source might be pretty pertinent.
564 01:22:13.490 --> 01:22:14.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: correct.
565 01:22:14.300 --> 01:22:20.200 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: Yeah, I I just don't think people are willingly gonna install air source heat pumps and run.
566 01:22:20.200 --> 01:22:24.000 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): I have and you've got. There's a big efficiency problem.
567 01:22:24.150 --> 01:22:30.650 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): A heat pump gives you 3 kilowatts of heat for every one kilowatt of electricity
568 01:22:31.090 --> 01:22:49.529 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): changing gas to electricity gives you perhaps 2030% higher efficiency. It's not 3 to one, the thing that is coming and that some people do are heat pumps that produce water at a higher temperature.
569 01:22:49.870 --> 01:23:06.319 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): So you don't have to change your radiators. And the other thing that's very common in Scandinavia are air, heat, heat pumps, they produce hot air that goes around in the winter, and cold air that goes around in the summer.
570 01:23:06.460 --> 01:23:17.320 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): So part of it is to do with the strange way. The supply market here only covers one particular way of using heat pumps.
571 01:23:17.900 --> 01:23:23.000 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: I quite agree with you. I've now got 4 heat pumps.
572 01:23:24.054 --> 01:23:28.390 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: I've got one which does the central heating and hot water.
573 01:23:28.810 --> 01:23:40.769 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: I've got another one to keep my workshop dry. I've got one to heat my swim, Spa, and I've just had an air conditioning one fitted to a bedroom
574 01:23:41.100 --> 01:23:43.510 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: primarily for cooling in the summer.
575 01:23:43.730 --> 01:23:48.660 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: but it does heat brilliantly. I haven't had to use the cooling yet.
576 01:23:49.248 --> 01:23:52.600 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: But no, I I think they're great technologies.
577 01:23:52.970 --> 01:23:58.990 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: but I think for the average homeowner, I mean, I've got 3 acres of land here.
578 01:23:59.230 --> 01:24:00.890 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: Space is not a problem.
579 01:24:01.590 --> 01:24:06.890 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: But I think for the average impoverished homeowner.
580 01:24:07.080 --> 01:24:08.679 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: It's not going to happen.
581 01:24:11.700 --> 01:24:17.200 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: I don't know if you saw the Channel 5 program the other week, which also is looking at flats that put in
582 01:24:17.450 --> 01:24:17.979 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: Yes, I did.
583 01:24:17.980 --> 01:24:29.099 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Solution, so it can be done on a smaller scale. But I think in combination of what you've both said in support of heat pumps, because there are various different types that we can engage with.
584 01:24:30.001 --> 01:24:32.660 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Is kind of linking to
585 01:24:32.850 --> 01:24:46.250 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Graham's suggestion of community energy looking actually at a heat network, which is something that's been driven forward more now with the Government looking at planning and mapping out opportunities for heat networks. So again, not every individual home, then, has to have a heat pump. You have one
586 01:24:46.340 --> 01:25:07.169 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: huge heat producing solution that then shares the heat through a heat network pipe system into each home that they can take off and do so like they do in most of other countries outside of the Uk. And that will be able to help support some of those issues that you might highlight there with people who haven't got room for a heat tank storage solution.
587 01:25:07.170 --> 01:25:10.909 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: Yeah, I I think that is a good solution for new builds
588 01:25:11.030 --> 01:25:18.900 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: and high density housing. I know. Here in Littlebury. They were looking at a district heating solution
589 01:25:19.140 --> 01:25:20.790 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: for the whole village.
590 01:25:21.010 --> 01:25:32.610 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: and after mapping it out and looking at various sort of combination of things, I think they decided they could only get to about 40% of dwellings.
591 01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:37.230 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: So you'd still be left with other solutions for other houses.
592 01:25:37.230 --> 01:25:40.539 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Yeah. And I think that's the point, isn't it? Stuart is. There's going to be a combination.
593 01:25:40.540 --> 01:25:40.970 David Newman (Blackbird Leys, Oxford): So no!
594 01:25:41.260 --> 01:25:44.359 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Opportunity solutions. There isn't 1 fix for all.
595 01:25:44.900 --> 01:25:55.499 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: I I quite agree with that. But, as I say, all these meetings I go to the big air source heat pump driving your radiators seems to be the only solution on offer.
596 01:25:57.220 --> 01:25:57.880 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yeah.
597 01:25:58.380 --> 01:26:12.850 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Well, I think there is more coming forward, as has been highlighted by this on the on the call today. But again looking keen with Mcs and finding out where they're going in supporting those kind of stores and new technologies is a good one to keep an eye on and support that coming forward.
598 01:26:14.260 --> 01:26:14.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: No.
599 01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:20.849 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: How, how far the Government is going to put money into any other kind of solution is an is an open question. I know we've got.
600 01:26:20.850 --> 01:26:21.510 Cara Naden, Butleigh, Somerset: Thank you.
601 01:26:21.730 --> 01:26:38.410 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: But we also hear that they've not got very much. What's the fresh expression headroom in their budgeting? So? I've also I went to an event with innovate Uk. And there's some people there who were in in in.
602 01:26:38.770 --> 01:26:58.289 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: They were invented. They were inventors, new technology, and they're saying very difficult to get them adopted by the public sector, because public sector has to go through a whole processes of buying stuff and something that's brand new may be marvellous, but you can't. How can you compare it with something else? How can you do a single tender on it?
603 01:26:58.290 --> 01:27:16.499 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: And so they were saying, Well, we need a separate group of a panel that can assess new inventions. Say, right? This is worth having. Then maybe local councils, including parishes, could get into them. So I think that's another area of development, of getting new technology and getting it more quickly.
604 01:27:17.020 --> 01:27:17.720 Andrew Maliphant, Great Collaboration: Yep.
605 01:27:19.530 --> 01:27:25.706 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Right? Well, thank you. To all those people who are throwing things into the chat. Very helpful.
606 01:27:26.250 --> 01:27:38.009 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: most people have had to leave because we're running out of time. So I think I'll make a decision and say, Thank you all so much for your contributions and for help and for the chat, and hopefully see you next time.
607 01:27:39.010 --> 01:27:40.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Take care.
608 01:27:40.010 --> 01:27:41.089 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: Thanks very much.
609 01:27:41.740 --> 01:27:44.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Quality of today's call is is just
610 01:27:44.650 --> 01:27:47.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: forced on us by the train system. Take care, bye, bye.
611 01:27:48.110 --> 01:27:49.310 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow, Essex: Thanks, bye.
