Graham explains the terms involved in the DESNZ Call for Evidence, Joolz reports success with Community Energy Fund, Tristram talks about renewables at community level, followed by a lively Q&A
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00:00 - 01:50 Introduction
01:50 - 18:09 Presentation
18:09 - 26:55 Input from Joolz Thompson
26:55 - 31:54 Input from Tristram Cary
31:54 - 72:34 (end) Q & A
The meeting covered various aspects of community energy projects, including discussions on recent Charity Commission news, the potential impact of Great British Energy, and the challenges of implementing local renewable energy initiatives. Participants explored topics such as the Local Power Plan, community-owned renewable energy projects, and the need for data standardization in local area energy planning. The conversation ended with discussions on responding to a government call for evidence, addressing regulatory barriers, and emphasizing the importance of public communication and support for the energy transition.
After-meeting Actions:
Graham to draft a response to the call for evidence, incorporating key points discussed in the meeting.
Graham to circulate the draft response to meeting attendees for review before submission.
Meeting attendees to review links shared in the chat and provide any additional input to Graham for the response.
Graham to emphasize in the response that Great Collaboration represents community-level organizations, particularly parish and town councils.
Graham to include in the response a call for decoupling renewable energy costs from fossil fuel prices.
Graham to highlight in the response the need for better communication to the public about the energy transition.
Meeting attendees who are parish or town councillors to specifically name their councils in the response.
Graham to extract John's comments from the transcript for inclusion in the response.
Graham to submit the final response to the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero by 5 PM on Monday.
Energy Security Committee Meeting Overview
The meeting began with a discussion about the anticipated number of attendees and the introduction of new participants. Graham explained the meeting's structure, including the recording and publishing of sessions on a wiki, and the use of the chat for questions and links. He also mentioned that the meeting would cover the basics of the call for evidence from the Energy Security and Net 0 Committee. Graham then proceeded to share a presentation, explaining the context and setting the scene for the call for evidence. He also mentioned that the Department for Energy Security and Net 0 was created a couple of years ago and its oversight comes from a committee. The conversation ended with Graham introducing the list of MPs on the committee.
Great British Energy's Impact on Net Zero
Graham discussed the potential impact of Great British Energy, a large organization based in Aberdeen, on achieving net zero emissions. He highlighted the organization's five functions, particularly those that could benefit local authorities and communities. Graham also mentioned that Great British Energy has £100 million to spend this year, which could be beneficial for those working at the parish level. He noted that the organization's focus is on local authorities and communities, and they are working with the Crown Estate on marine energy projects. Graham encouraged further discussion on how to leverage these resources for community energy projects.
Floating Wind Leasing and Community Energy
Graham discussed the floating wind leasing program in the Celtic Sea and the Community Energy Fund, which provides grants for community-based organizations to develop renewable energy projects. He noted that the fund has a time limit of March 31st this year. Graham also mentioned the Local Power Plan, a product of Great British Energy, aimed at restructuring the energy economy and promoting small and medium-scale renewable energy projects. He highlighted that the plan is currently focused on local authorities, but there is a potential for it to be extended to communities and parish councils in the future.
Local Power Plan and Community Energy
Graham led a discussion about the 7 questions related to the local power plan and community energy support schemes. He encouraged the team to form their own opinions on which questions were worth answering, as not all might be relevant. Jules from Community Client Action shared updates about their work in Suffolk, including their energy efficiency advice for homeowners and their involvement in promoting community renewable energy. She also mentioned the government's ambitious decarbonization targets and the pushback they were experiencing from communities regarding large-scale solar and wind farms. Graham then invited Tristram to share his thoughts on the discussed topics.
Community-Owned Renewable Energy Projects - Joolz Thompson
Joolz discussed the potential for community-owned renewable energy projects, specifically focusing on a proposed 11-megawatt wind turbine and agri-voltaics project in Suffolk. Joolz highlighted the challenges of raising capital for such projects and the need for community engagement and consultation. The project, if feasible, could provide energy for around 8,000 to 10,000 homes. Joolz also mentioned the importance of enabling microgrids in communities and the need for local off-take agreements. The European Parliament's legislation supporting local community energy sharing was also noted. Joolz expressed interest in facilitating prosumerism and local energy generation to avoid transportation issues. The project is currently in the feasibility study phase, with potential funding from the Community Energy Fund. Joolz discussed the importance of data standardization and mapping for effective local area energy planning. He highlighted the need for a plan to start with a map.
Solar Panel Funding - Tristram Cary
Graham then shifted the discussion to Tristram, who shared his early-stage work on a program in Hampshire, aiming to test a funding model for solar panels on residential roofs. Tristram also presented preliminary results on the potential capacity of residential roofs to cover domestic energy loads, suggesting the potential for district-level energy storage and recovery systems to lower the load on the transmission grid. Graham ended the conversation by asking for feedback on the call for evidence and the timeline to respond.
Energy Call Response and Collaboration
Graham hosts a discussion on responding to an energy call for evidence. Cara and Tom suggest referring to the Community Energy England submission, while Dan mentions the Center for Sustainable Energy will also respond, highlighting the potential of the local power plant initiative. Amanda emphasizes the unique perspective of parish and town councils, distinct from local authorities, and proposes clearly stating their role as community bodies collaborating closely with councils. She recommends providing contact details to create future influence and acknowledging the increasing role of parishes as local authorities reorganize.
Overcoming Regulatory Barriers in Energy
Gordon highlights the challenges of enabling local energy generation and distribution due to regulatory barriers. He emphasizes the need to focus on communicating with the public to gain support for the energy transition, including infrastructure like pylons and generation facilities. Gordon suggests that groups should respond to the government's survey with relevant questions to drive investment and policy changes that remove barriers. He also discusses efforts by organizations like Energy Local to facilitate direct local supply from generators, but notes the complexities involved. The discussion touches on microgrids and the recent approval for grid reinforcement spending by Ofgem, which could help address grid constraints delaying new connections until the 2030s in some areas.
Pylons, Energy Local, and Metering Discussion
Gordon emphasized the need for increased awareness and acceptance of the urgency of having pylons for the grid, as the government has decided not to increase underground infrastructure. Pete discussed the potential of the Energy Local model, which involves metering electricity and dividing export from centralized generation to householders. He also mentioned the European Commission's legislation requiring electricity supply companies to provide metering and billing for local energy sharing. Graham suggested that Pete's points could be made in response to the call for evidence, and Pete confirmed that they had been submitted by Energy Local with other organizations. Tristram sought clarification on the Energy Local model, which Cara explained as enabling people to buy electricity generated locally, but with limitations due to energy suppliers.
Local Energy Generation and Market Efficiency
The meeting focused on the importance of local energy generation and the need for a more efficient energy market. Participants discussed the potential for town and parish councils to play a more significant role in energy generation and distribution. They also highlighted the need for the government to support initiatives like energy local and to decouple the cost of renewables from fossil fuels. The idea of involving the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) in the process was also discussed, with some participants expressing concerns about potential delays. The conversation ended with a call for the government to decouple the cost of renewables from fossil fuels, allowing consumers to make more informed choices about their energy consumption.
Renewable Energy Projects and Challenges
The meeting focused on discussing the potential for renewable energy projects and the challenges faced in implementing them. The participants agreed that there is a need for a national approach to support community-level renewable energy projects, and that the government should provide funding for these initiatives. They also discussed the importance of reducing the cost of capital for renewable energy projects and the need for coherent funding for land acquisition and renewable energy installation. The participants also discussed the potential for community-owned renewable energy projects and the need for local authorities to support these initiatives. The conversation ended with the decision to compile a response to the consultation, incorporating the ideas and suggestions discussed during the meeting.
00:16:26 Cara Naden: This may be useful from Community Energy England on the consultation Unlocking community energy at scale: call for evidence to Parliamentary inquiry response https://communityenergyengland.org/pages/current-consultations
00:19:54 Andrew Maliphant: I've been in touch with DESNZ, no news yet as to how / whether they will restart the forum looking at joint working towards net zero between central and local government
00:20:01 John Taylor: Hi, John Taylor here from Community Energy England. I'm travelling en route to another meeting but am listening on. Our head of policy has been preparing a response which Cara has shared above
00:20:10 Cara Naden: Reacted to "Hi, John Taylor here..." with 👍
00:23:05 Amanda Davis: Graham, I believe the defn of LAs stops at the DISTRICT council level, as the laws that apply to CCs also applies to DCs but it is another piece of the law that relates to parish councils. NALC and LGA cover the 2 distinct different levels of "local authority"
00:23:19 Cara Naden: Aim is for net zero energy by 2030
00:23:26 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Reacted to "Hi Amy :)" with ❤️
00:23:28 Dan Stone: Reacted to "Graham, I believe th..." with 👍
00:23:28 John Taylor: That £100million has been allocated to the National Wealth Fund (formerly UKIB). Unclear on what they're doing with it just yet.
00:23:30 Amanda Davis: My source is that I represented NALC on a session with the APPG a year ago
00:23:34 Cara Naden: Reacted to "That £100million has..." with 👍
00:24:48 Amanda Davis: Therefore I understand that "communities" include parish councils, as opposed to "LAs" including parish councils
00:24:57 Cara Naden: Reacted to "Therefore I understa..." with 👍
00:25:01 Dan Stone: Reacted to "Therefore I understa..." with 👍
00:25:35 Andrew Maliphant: Replying to "Graham, I believe th..."
Yes, we have to look at the small print of legislation and regulation to see where parish councils are targeted
00:27:10 Cara Naden: Net Zero Hubs across the country host the fund CEF https://communityenergyengland.org/pages/community-energy-fund/*
00:27:33 Dan Stone: The Community Energy Fund is open to constituted community energy groups: non-profit organisations like Community Interest Companies, Coops etc, with asset locks.
00:27:46 Cara Naden: Reacted to "The Community Energy..." with 👍
00:28:02 Gordon Coppock: Short timescale of community energy fund has in practice been one its drawbacks - particularly when parish and county decision processes are involved
00:28:20 David Morgan-Jones: Reacted to "Short timescale of c..." with 👍
00:29:45 Gordon Coppock: At this time, not all LA's have been given any funding for executing the LAEP's. We are in process with this in any case in Herefordshire County
00:30:00 David Morgan-Jones: Very helpful - thank you
00:30:11 Dan Stone: LAEPs are also system wide plans, looking at renewable energy generation, heat, grid capacity, transport decarbonisation.
00:30:33 Cara Naden: Somerset has created an energy investment plan as couldn't afford a LAEP but new local plan will refer to land suitable for decarbonising energy.
00:38:07 Pete West: Regarding local community energy supply to households and examples from other juristrictions, the European Parliament has already passed legislation to require energy supply companies to support local community energy sharing
00:38:50 Cara Naden: Hi @Joolz | Community Climate Action have you got a link to the Agrivoltaic project please as trying to do something similar in Somerset but to include growing food not just grazing..
00:38:59 Cara Naden: Reacted to "Regarding local comm..." with 👍
00:39:27 Cara Naden: Ah yes that I do know - want to collate UK projects planning argricoltaics..
00:39:36 Amy Staff - CSE: Hello Joolz! We have a community consultation tool for community energy called Future Energy Landscapes. You can find out more about it here, and we offer this as a facilitated session, or you can use our DIY kit https://www.cse.org.uk/my-community/future-energy-landscapes/
00:39:46 Cara Naden: Reacted to "Hello Joolz! We have..." with ❤️
00:39:54 Gordon Coppock: Have you all seen the RSPB work on the biodiversity increase of (farm)land that is achievable from solar arrays on farmland. In general there is a need in every region for a repeating local public involvement/discussion for asking the question ' Where do you want your energy to come from ?' and for this to lead
00:40:21 Cara Naden: Support the local electricity bill https://powerforpeople.org.uk/read-the-local-electricity-bill
00:41:10 Cara Naden: Reacted to "Have you all seen th..." with 👍
00:42:43 Gordon Coppock: ...to a wider scale understanding of the energy transition by a much wider section of our local communities. We started this in Herefordshire in 2016 but its sill needs repeating very often.
00:43:11 Cara Naden: Virtual Power Plants - many community/energy groups are looking at this solution..
00:46:13 Cara Naden: One Zero - Howard Johns proposing PV and heat pumps at more affordable prices to enable faster decarbonisation and remove the grid connection barrier issue.. https://www.onezero.energy/
00:50:34 Gordon Coppock: Hopefully you are all already aware of the UK wide https://bigsolar.coop/ . We have moved to this method of larger scale on roof community owned and created PV systems in the post FIT environment. Also after being involved in many community energy projects and still a director of 3, we have realised that the effort and long term stability of a volunteer group is hard to sustain in a professional manner for many groups. I'm also a director of Big Solar CoOp if any questions. You can see the present projects on te website as well.
00:54:35 Andrew Maliphant: The more we can say about local action, the more visible the community and parish council sectors can become to higher level authority. At the moment we're more transparent than ignored
00:55:44 Cara Naden: Agree with Amanda and Andrew - parish councils are at various scales some have land and estate some do not but they are all connected to their community and the lead authority.
00:58:56 Amanda Davis, Cotswolds: @Gordon Coppock is it a difficulty in technical terms or economic market terms or cost / financing terms or scale/size/ capacity terms?
00:59:31 Dan Stone - Centre for Sustainable Energy: Replying to "@Gordon Coppock is ..."
I think it's the regulatory environment which makes it difficult
01:01:43 Amanda Davis, Cotswolds: Have CMA considered alternatives to the current market for generation, supply, storage, and transmission?
01:03:17 John Taylor: I've stopped moving now so can contribute a bit again. I would say please submit your own response, it will be very valuable to hear from NALC and parish and town councils, but you can use our Community Energy England response as a head start.
01:04:11 Tom Nockolds (Carbon Coop): Regarding Q1: we believe the remit of GB Energy is limited to only include energy generation and storage. Yet the direction of travel of the community energy sector, and accordingly the support schemes for community energy (including the Community Energy Fund), is to expand activities beyond just generation and storage - into areas such as energy supply, heat, flexibility services and retrofit. Therefore it is vital that the narrow remit of GB Energy is 'set aside' when they produce the Local Power Plan. See 1.6 and 1.7 of the CEE response. Failure to do this risks a backward step: reducing the scope of support currently offered to community energy projects.
01:05:23 Andrew Maliphant: Replying to "I've stopped moving ..."
NALC are not planning to respond but I will raise this issue tomorrow within the Society of Local Council Clerks (SLCC)
01:05:59 John Taylor: One area very relevant for you I would say is Shared Ownership. This is where larger commercial installations are mandated to offer a shared of their installation up for local ownership. (I.e. not just a grant fund but an actual ownership stake.) Town and parish councils could be the initial place to host this where an existing community energy enterprise isn't in place yet.
01:06:16 Cara Naden: Reacted to "One area very releva..." with 👍
01:06:31 Amanda Davis, Cotswolds: Reacted to "NALC are not plannin..." with 👍🏽
01:06:36 Cara Naden: Reacted to "NALC are not plannin..." with 👍
01:06:58 Cara Naden: Reacted to "Regarding Q1: we bel..." with 👍
01:09:02 Amy Staff - CSE: I've got to dash, but thank you so much for hosting a really informative session!
01:09:56 Cara Naden: Future Energy Landscapes link again https://www.cse.org.uk/my-community/future-energy-landscapes/
01:10:26 John Taylor: Community wind and solar site in Wales. Would be great to see every parish with something like this, alongside the village allotment.
01:10:50 Cara Naden: Local energy generation linked to local demand also reduces energy wasted in transmission.
01:12:14 Cara Naden: another example similar to John's suggested - Power Allotments Devon https://www.regen.co.uk/publications/power-allotments-devon/
01:12:40 Tom Nockolds (Carbon Coop): A review of energy market arrangements is currently underway https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/review-of-electricity-market-arrangements-rema-second-consultation
01:12:51 Tom Nockolds (Carbon Coop): *electricity
01:15:05 Gordon Coppock: Replying to "@Gordon Coppock is ..."
As Cara said at present Energy Local can only operate when the generation and the potential consumers are on the same 11kv substation grid. Also at present the consumers needs to obtain their electricity from the same company that is providing the electricity to them. At present it can mean that they need to pay more for their grid sources electricity even though they are benefitting from the local electricity (when its available to them).So it would be better if all electricity suppliers had to offer locally available electricity as well. This reminds me of the situation in 1990's when we were not even allowed to connect local generation to the grid.
01:18:49 Andrew Maliphant: Lots more housing projects expected - maybe acquiring land assets could be part of planning gain, which is something parish and town councils could press for
01:18:53 Dan Stone - Centre for Sustainable Energy: I have to go. apologies, as there's some interesting points being made
01:19:13 Amanda Davis, Cotswolds: @Joolz | Community Climate Action Cotswold District Council run a bond
01:19:52 David Morgan-Jones: Thank you everyone must go.
01:20:35 tristram cary: I need to leave now. Thank you for a v interesting session
01:21:20 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Re precept - see research: https://climatehughes.org/locally-determined-contributions/
01:21:32 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Reacted to "@Joolz | Community C..." with ❤️
01:22:32 Amanda Davis, Cotswolds: Energy - inelasticity of demand, whatever the price, most of us consumers need to buy. So demand is not that sensitive to price. Therefore the certainty of income to pay off loans, bonds etc, if the risk is lower the cost of loans should be lower (in theory).
01:23:24 Tom Nockolds (Carbon Coop): Thank you for your open door policy and letting me speak. Nice to meet you all. Good luck! tom@carbon.coop if anybody wants to see the Carbon Coop response.
01:24:24 Jacky Lawrence, Napton, Warwickshire: thank you
01:25:02 Vanessa Faulkner: Thanks all. Very interesting session
01:26:25 Gordon Coppock: In summary at a high level is it to communicate on : 1. Communications to the public about the energy transition . 2. Finance support for local larger community generation . 3. Regulatory - reduction of electricity cost, able to purchase low cost local generated electricity . 4. Grid reinforcement urgently
01:26:33 Cara Naden: Power for the people by the people!
01:26:41 Amanda Davis, Cotswolds: Reacted to "Power for the people..." with 👍🏽
01:26:47 Cllr Andrew Stevens, Northampton Town Council: Thanks all for this highly informed discussion. My first live banter.
01:26:50 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Reacted to "Power for the people..." with ❤️
01:26:54 Andrew Maliphant: Reacted to "In summary at a high..." with 👍
00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's all sorts of wonderful 1st time names here.
00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:36.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I shall explain to them how the system works.
00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Once we get going.
00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:59.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Again for people who are new. We normally hang on to about 5 past, just because there are people who are ending up phone calls, or previous meetings, or whatever.
00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:02.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it helps to give them pause.
00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:17.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just a heads up. Tristram, you're on the agenda today, you lucky person!
00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:19.000 tristram cary: Oh, God!
00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's not the action.
00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.000 tristram cary: Who's- who's who.
00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:25.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Not the action I was hoping for.
00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:29.000 tristram cary: Um, who's our expert? Who's going to explain this on energy security net 0.
00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.000 tristram cary: Thing.
00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:38.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I haven't identified one at the moment. I'm sure that he's going to show up, but I should be making a presentation which.
00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Covers the very basics.
00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.000 tristram cary: Oh, good!
00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:48.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then I'm anticipating that someone knowledgeable like Cara will jump in at all sorts of points and say, you don't really mean to say that.
00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:56.000 tristram cary: Yeah. Think I don't know how long that's been open that call, but it's mean the the-the um.
00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Since November.
00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.000 tristram cary: Deadline is on Monday, which gives us no time at all to do.
00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:04.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Uh. Well, it was. That's our issue. It was issued in November that um.
00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.000 tristram cary: But even that's incredibly short.
00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, well.
00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:16.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So let me just explain, for those who are newcomers here this week, and thank you very much all for calling and joining in um.
00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:24.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We record all of these sessions, and we then publish them all on a wiki. So if you've got questions or ideas or links.
00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:30.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Be very grateful if you put them into the chat, please, because the chat gets fully recorded, and it all comes up.
00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:38.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And everything in there goes on to our AI search algorithm, which then makes it available to everybody on a search engine. So.
00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:44.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you have questions, if you have links, or whatever please make full use of the chat.
00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: To do that.
00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:51.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Um. I'm just waiting, giving a couple more minutes.
00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:56.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Um, because there's a couple of faces I expected to see, but haven't arrived yet.
00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So please bear with us whilst we do that.
00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:15.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So there's an audience today of very wide ranging skills and knowledge. So I'm going to give a presentation.
00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That covers the basics that are in the.
00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:29.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Call for questions that we're sort of being asked to answer, and there are some phrases in there which I think may need explanation. So initially, I'm going to explain things. So I apologize to those.
00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:37.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Who are really already well versed in these matters. Please bear with me whilst we get to the exciting meat of the presentation, but.
00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I felt it was necessary to cover some.
00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:45.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Basic terms, first, st which appear in the questions.
00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:57.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we are now at 5 min past. So that's our time. Live for people to join. So welcome, everybody. Thank you for joining us.
00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:02.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I'm going to share a screen to start a presentation.
00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You bear with me whilst we get there.
00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:13.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then here we go. So.
00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:25.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We're going to be answering a call for evidence from the energy Security and Net 0 committee, or at least the Department of Energy Security and Net 0.
00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:29.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And there are some terms in the calls for evidence which.
00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:34.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Were sort of fairly new to me, or I wasn't sure what they involve. So I'm going to cover those briefly.
00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Today.
00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so we have an agenda.
00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:47.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is where I'll be initially setting the scene and the context setting from the names that come up in the the call for evidence.
00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:52.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then we'll go through what the call for evidence. Questions are.
00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:59.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then I'm going to ask for input from Jules, who hasn't arrived yet, and Tristan, who has but has no idea what he's going to say.
00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:09.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because I think they'll be relevant to what we're going to be talking about, and then we'll get into the question and answer session, which will hopefully determine a if we want to actually.
00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Answer anything. B. Who's going to do it?
00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And see. Are there any other questions which this.
00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:24.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Call makes clear that we'd love to have some more topics in future banter sessions. So if you've got ideas that.
00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:27.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Trigger a thought in your head, or anything like that. Please.
00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Throw it into the chat session.
00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:31.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we'll go from there.
00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:40.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the Department for energy security and net 0 was created only a couple of years ago.
00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:49.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or rather less than that, and it took over, from whatever the business energy and infrastructure system was.
00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's a full.
00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:57.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Government department. So it has a Secretary of State in charge, which currently is Ed. Miliband.
00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:02.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And its its oversight comes from a committee.
00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:10.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I'll give you the names of the people on the committee in the next slide, just in case you can see if there's anyone local from you. One of your local Mps.
00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And their job is to make sure that the.
00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:20.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Department for energy security and net 0. I don't know a quick way of saying that dozens and.
00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:24.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anyway, they have to satisfy the committee.
00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:24.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Business.
00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: What was that sorry?
00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's desnez.
00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:31.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Desnis. Thank you. Okay, we're on our way. Good! That sounds like Jules.
00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: All right. So here is the um.
00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: List of Mps on the Committee.
00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:39.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: By the way, I should have mentioned at the start that.
00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:44.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: This, a copy of this presentation goes out to everybody. So you're all.
00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:51.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Very welcome to sit back and relax and drink coffee rather than write down what I'm telling, showing you, because it's all going to come to you, anyway.
00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So racing on.
00:19:55.000 --> 00:20:02.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: One of the 1st terms that I came across was great British energy, and I have to confess I hadn't heard of them before, so I took a look.
00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:14.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they're going to be a fairly large impact. I think in our lives going forward because they're going to be spending 8.3 billion pounds over the next 5 years.
00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:23.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And there's a caveat here that through the next few slides you'll see that I've highlighted in in various places that.
00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:34.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: These people are all going to be working with local authorities, and I just checked with various sources what constitutes a local authority in the Uk.
00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:43.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it varies, depending on which source you look at. But if you're looking at a comprehensive source, then that includes parish councils.
00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But if you're looking as you see on a slide later.
00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:52.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The term local authority may not go any further down than County Councils. It all depends upon.
00:20:53.000 --> 00:21:00.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which part of the government you work in, and whether you recognize that there really are people down at the parish level, or whether we're all just ants down there.
00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:07.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So here's a large organization. It's actually up and running. It's based in Aberdeen.
00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:09.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: To win the Scottish vote.
00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:11.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it is.
00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:15.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Actually up and running. So what it's going to do is help.
00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Us get to net 0.
00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They've got 5 functions which we're going to go through.
00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they are um.
00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:29.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Going to be hopefully impacting us at the the parish level.
00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: For those of you who are working at the parish level.
00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Pardons cara um. So moving on.
00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:39.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Here are the 5 functions.
00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:43.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Um. I've highlighted the ones which I think are particularly.
00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:48.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Useful to us. But I'm wide open to people to say, actually, you should be concentrating on one or the others.
00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So uh.
00:21:51.000 --> 00:22:00.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Again, because you're going to get the copy of this slide. I don't think I'm going to go through each of these pieces individually, just to show you um.
00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:05.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: What is available, what they're focusing on, and what we might want to discuss.
00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: As we move ahead.
00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: With answering the call for evidence.
00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:13.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just. I thought it was worth highlighting that.
00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:22.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Although the great British energy is still getting themselves off the ground up and running, they do have a hundred 1 million pounds to spend this year.
00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: On helping things get going. So.
00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There is money for us to be chasing.
00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:30.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If we think it's worthwhile.
00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Few more actions. Um.
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:46.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Again I looked at several websites about the great British energy, and they repeated themselves quite frequently, but with just little gentle changes here and there. So these 3 paragraphs say, more or less the same thing.
00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:49.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I just thought that they were worth showing you.
00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:54.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: How they are focusing on local authorities and communities.
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:57.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which I thought was very pertinent.
00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:04.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that we should be writing back to them as communities and local authorities down at the parish or county level.
00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Depending on whom you are.
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So they're really.
00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:13.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: In place to get us to net 0. They'd like to get us there by.
00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:18.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: 2030. Whether you think we can do that or not is an interesting question, but.
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's what they're setting out to do.
00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:40.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And again, this is another source that describes what they're going to do. But I thought it was worth highlighting that the local power generation is considered to be an essential part of the energy mix, ensuring that communities own and benefit from clean power projects.
00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And from reducing pressures on the transmission grid.
00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:49.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And Tristam, you should welcome this as a wonderful segue into your contribution. Shortly.
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:57.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Again, I've highlighted local authorities and communities are at the heart of restructuring the energy, economy.
00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So pretty big stuff for.
00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:03.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Those of us down at the lower levels of local authorities.
00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So they've done their 1st big.
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:10.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Partnership, which is with the Crown Estate.
00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:14.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which brings all of those of you who are in.
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:22.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Shoreline counties. This might be of interest, because the Crown estate has a lot to do with the seabed.
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Marine energy, and and all that sort of stuff.
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:37.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I've got. That's why this slide is in here to show you that they're they're linked to great British energy. They're working together. They've already got started. And there's this huge.
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:45.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Um floating wind leasing program in the Celtic sea, which again was first.st It was news to me, certainly.
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: My apologies for my ignorance.
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So another thing, that the.
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:55.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Call for evidence refers to is the community energy fund.
00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I thought I'd just let you know what that is.
00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:05.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's on a much smaller scale. When it comes to money. It's been operating over a two-year period.
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:09.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It had 10 million pounds in grants to give to people.
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:16.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Had to do 5 million pounds in the 1st year, which ended in the 31st of March of last year.
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:18.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they've got another 5 million to spend.
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:25.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Before the 31st of March this year, and I'm quite open to people to tell me I'm out of date, and that's all been changed with the new government, but.
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I haven't found anything that changes, that.
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:36.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But is the community energy fund are for community based organizations. And again, who defines a community.
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:44.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: For the development of projects from concept to investable scheme. So it does not include the money to actually implement a scheme.
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:54.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it certainly is the money to develop the idea in the 1st place, and I'm hoping again that a lot of you will find that this is pertinent to your areas.
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:59.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that when you're thinking of ideas, of what's coming up.
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Certainly some of the stuff that Jules or Tristam, I hope, are going to.
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Raise for you. You may want to like to know that there is.
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Some money available.
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Um to talk about.
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:22.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: These are the aims of the fund. And again, boringly, I focused on the community and the locally owned bit. Because that's I think we're all interested in.
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:27.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But basically, everything that can help us.
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:32.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Get our individual communities closer to net 0, then.
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:36.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The Community energy fund is in place to help us get there.
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:42.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There is a time limit. At the moment of the 31st of March of this year.
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:47.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: To access these funds. So if people are interested, they're gonna have to get their skates on.
00:26:49.000 --> 00:27:00.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Another item that is mentioned in the call for evidence is the local power plan. Now, the Local Power plan is actually a product of great British energy, themselves.
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:05.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's basically the way in which they want to try and get.
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Ah communities working together.
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think, and in accordance with other.
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Um, local.
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Access. What's the word I'm looking for?
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Plans, so.
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:23.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Um, it's there. It's in place to ensure.
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:29.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The communities and local authorities are at the heart of restructuring the energy economy.
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Repeat it again.
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:35.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Rolling out small and medium scale, renewable energy products.
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:39.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Using established technologies to develop.
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:45.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Lots of power. Now, this includes shared ownership products, which again, I hope we're going to get into shortly.
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:55.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But this is money which actually will invest in the capital expenses of building some of these things, so as opposed to the.
00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:02.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The energy fund that we were just talking about. This is actually going to give you money to get things going.
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And to actually build them.
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:12.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: This system then moves on to talk about local area energy plans.
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:17.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And this is where we change our definition of local authorities.
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which I'll show you on the next slide.
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:27.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But think of a local area energy plan as being a way forward of.
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:34.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Trying to get people to work together. So it's an action plan for local leaders. That accounts for action at the national level.
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:40.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it's giving you technical evidence on how best to do it on a wide area scheme.
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:43.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But they're going to be working down at local authority level.
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:53.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you've got examples here of trailblazer cities that are already working with the local area energy plan. So you've got templates to follow.
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I've given you a link here.
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:03.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: To get more information. But this local area energy plan comes with a major caveat, which is this.
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:08.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They do, they cheerfully say it's a bottom-up, data-driven wholesale system.
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:17.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then they say it meets anybody from a city district or county council level. So bad luck to those of us who are down at communities and parish council levels.
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:22.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I think you need to be aware that the Aaps are there and are in place.
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:30.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Interestingly, they do not have a formal place in the local area planning local authority planning system. So.
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:39.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Whereas the local authority has to take notice of local plans, local transport plans. They do not have to take notice of the Laep.
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:43.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I think they're going to be trying to improve that as time goes on.
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: All right. So hopefully, those were.
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:55.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Definitions. It will help you understand what their questions are that the committee is calling for for Desnes.
00:29:55.000 --> 00:30:00.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So here are the 7 questions that we're going to be discussing shortly.
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:05.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Um. So I will just read through these to help you, those of you who sort of.
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Got fine eyesight issues, or whatever.
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So how could the local power plan be produced?
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:19.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Being produced by British great British energy build upon existing community energy support schemes such as the Community Energy Fund.
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:29.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Some of these questions you may well feel we don't even want to bother with. And so when I when you're looking at these questions, please.
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:35.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do form your own opinion as to which ones you think are worth answering. From your point of view.
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:39.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because I'm not at all convinced that we, as a whole, want to answer all of the questions and.
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:46.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The call for evidence is very clear that you do not have to answer every question. You can just answer one if you wish.
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:50.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And of course you don't have to answer many of them, but there is a template.
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:58.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: On their website, which will give you a link to that shows you the form in which to answer. Should you wish to go it on your own.
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:01.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Um question. 2.
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:11.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: How should the energy market and licensing regulations be reformed to enable community energy products to sell electricity? They generate to local customers.
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so on. So how do we remove barriers.
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:18.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And how do we remunerate the people generating the money.
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or generating electricity. Sorry.
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:32.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think 3 is probably not going to affect us much. But how could existing government support mechanisms such as the smart export guarantee provide community energy products with more financial certainty.
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:42.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Item 4. What are the regulatory solutions needed to minimize the high cost and long delays incurred in securing a grid connection for community energy products?
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:46.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Projects a segue there for Tristram.
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:57.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Should the local benefits of community energy projects be formally recognised as a material consideration in planning decision. Now that one, I do think, has got a lot of meat in it for us to talk about.
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:04.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Item 6. What should be the role of neighbourhood plans and local area energy plans in building local support.
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:09.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The community energy products. Again, that I see as a big question worth answering.
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or at least worth asking questions about.
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:18.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And finally, what's the potential for community energy to incentivize.
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Consumer, demand.
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:32.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Flexibility at the scale needed to achieve net 0 targets. That's a fascinating question. So those are the 7 questions. Now, before we actually get into discussing them amongst ourselves.
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I've got a couple of.
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:42.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think inputs that we hope so. I'm going to stop sharing the screen, Jules, to let you have a chat.
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: About your recent news.
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then I'll do the same thing for Tristram.
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:52.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Where I'm hoping that you're going to talk about the ideas that we discussed yesterday.
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:59.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just in brief. And then we're mentioning these 2 inputs because I think they're going to be relevant to what we're going to be talking about.
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:05.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Uh, and then we can move on to answering the question. So I'm going to stop sharing the screen.
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:11.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And just in case, Tristan, you either want to show anything or sorry. Let's go with Jules first, st or.
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:15.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or just have the new attraction, the attention of everybody.
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:24.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hi, everyone. I'm Jules from community client action. And we've got a community interest company in Suffolk called Suffolk Environmental Services.
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And.
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:32.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We provide energy efficiency, advice to homeowners. So the cheapest energy is no energy.
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:39.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we're also actively engaged in promoting community renewable energy as a community group in Suffolk.
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we've got some really interesting dynamics at the moment.
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: 1st of all, I'm very excited that.
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We've got a government that's taking climate change seriously and wants to implement.
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:57.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Decarbonized energy plan for 2,030. That's a world beating world beating target.
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And again love, love them or loathe them, are.
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Government is taking a lead at cop, and so we are leading the world.
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:11.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And quite rightly so, seeing as how we led the world in the use of coal and the Industrial revolution.
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:14.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we've got a lot of historical emissions to make up for.
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:25.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Right now in East Anglia, we're having lots of nationally significant infrastructure projects, very large scale solar farms going through planning and being approved centrally.
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Or and we're also having a lot of pushback.
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: On, that from communities.
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:38.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Who don't want large scale solar or onshore wind. They're they're small hamlets and villages, and don't want the.
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Farmland, taken up by energy, generation.
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:57.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's a political hot potato, and actually, in Suffolk the County Council have voted through a rooftop 1st policy and sort of putting their foot down a bit to stop solar farms being.
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:01.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Um set up throughout Suffolk.
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:08.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which is a little bit of an oxymoron, because policy for Suffolk County Council is, we want to be the greenest county in England.
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we have a net 0 target for the whole county of 2030.
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So a little little bit of.
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Um conflict there.
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:23.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So we'll see what that comes out. So I'm delighted to participate in this consultation.
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:33.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To actually see how we can communicate the benefits of cleaner, greener, cheaper energy to our communities and perhaps look at more distributed smaller scale implementation.
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That primarily benefits our communities.
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I think one of the objections.
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:49.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Often the large, national, significant, infrastructure projects are delivered by multinational corporations like Seneca. And what have you.
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And so all of the revenue and benefits from.
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The and the profit from the generation is just sucked out of.
00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:05.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The area anyway, whereas if there was a community benefit fund from a community owned renewable installation that might change people's opinions.
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:11.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As Suffolk Environmental services. We discovered yesterday great news to start.
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:16.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The year. With that we were successful in our community energy fund application.
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For 40,000 pounds worth of funding to.
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Um deliver a feasibility, study.
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:27.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For proposed 3 wind turbines.
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:32.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And about 50 acres of what's called agri-voltaics.
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And Acquievoltex is.
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:40.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Essentially solar on stilts. So you still get productive, horticultural or agricultural use of the land.
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So you get both.
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:48.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And this would be a community enterprise, and it's probably about 11 megawatt.
00:36:49.000 --> 00:37:00.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Potential um to put that into context, depending on the power usage that's in the region of 8 8,000 10,000 homes. Maybe. So that's really quite significant.
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:07.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Um, and we are going to be going through the process now of finding out whether or not it's feasible.
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Can we connect to a substation.
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:15.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Can we supply direct locally? Can we store the energy effectively.
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:22.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And invariably we will probably face significant objections. There's always somebody that says no.
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:29.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Or doesn't like an initiative. So we'll be doing community consultation and community engagement to find out.
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:35.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: What people do want, and I think some of the challenges here are beyond the feasibility.
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The Cef. Fund then provides money for planning application.
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But then the Cef. Doesn't provide capital, so we have to then go and find our own capital.
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:50.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The capital, for the project would be in the region of 6 to 7 million pounds.
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that would normally be raised via community shares.
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:59.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Potential investment from self-invested personal pensions or Sas patient capital.
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:05.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I know in the description of great British energy. They're encouraging public-private partnership.
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:11.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And certainly in terms of wind power. That's something. Octopus have expressed an interest in.
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:24.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So we've got, we'll have some challenges in terms of raising the capital. But the 1st step is getting the community on board and really focusing on what the benefits are.
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:32.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To the community and then potentially going through planning. And of course, the thing with the feasibility study is, it might not be feasible.
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:36.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The simple answer. It might come out and say, You can't do that. You can't do that here.
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:47.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So we're going to look at a number of different sites. But it's a really good, a really good start. So I'm delighted with the support that designers are giving in that area and continuing the community energy fund.
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:52.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Um. Destiny's used to be Bayes. So it was the business energy and industrial strategy department.
00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:06.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm just. Have I got a link to the agrivoltaic project? Yes, I'll put up, not not specifically to ours, because it's um, mostly just grant documents, and what have you.
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:12.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But definitely do have links to agivoltaics. They're far ahead of us in Europe.
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:35.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And in Italy I think they've legislated that any new Solar farm must must be anti-voltaics to enable dual use of land and not take productive farmland out of use. And there's really elegant examples throughout France with viticulture. And in Germany they're growing hops. And elsewhere in Kenya they're growing brassica that like shades. So that's your broccoli and your cauliflower, and similar.
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:44.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And so there's lots of opportunities. So yeah, I'll pop some links in the chat when I finish talking. So these kind of questions are really interesting.
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:50.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And one of the key questions I'm particularly interested in is Well, who will buy the energy.
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:59.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know. Where? Where are we going to send it? And I'm particularly keen for people to be prosumers and sort of use, and and use the energy at the point of.
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:09.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Generation to avoid having to transport it essentially so particularly interested in how we facilitate micro grids in our communities.
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Um! How we.
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:29.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Enable sleeving agreements, and a sleeving agreement is where you can have a particular offtake. Be offtake, be it a local authority, for instance, who guarantee to buy your energy. And it's kind of sleeved through the grid, and it's your energy. But equally they're trying to do that in Bristol with Bristol energy Co-OP. At the moment Bristol City Council.
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:37.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And they're struggling to get the lead, or it's been a long, difficult process, and they've yet to finalize it.
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:50.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To be able to offtake that energy. So this consultation is super important for us to respond to and highlight these challenges and areas of support, and what we would like to see as communities moving forward.
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:58.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: What, what would, what would we like to see? And where? Who would? Who would? Who would we like to own the infrastructure? And where should the profits go?
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:07.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Those are the sort of key questions at the top of my mind. So I'll leave it on those questions, and I'm happy to answer any any questions. I'm not.
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:14.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The expert in the room, and that's probably John Taylor and others that work for have previously worked for the great southeast net 0 Hub.
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:20.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Um, and or now works for community energy, England. So I'll stop there. The other thing of note. Um.
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Is ah.
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:31.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It was noted in your presentation about data, Graham, about lack of data and lack of standardization for local area energy planning.
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that's again a topic that's close to our heart. With Tristram.
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In terms of how we map stuff.
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:44.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And how we get that data standardization and and actually start a plan because every journey starts with map.
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And if we're going to have a plan, we need to map it out.
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So thank you.
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:57.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Jules, thank you so much. I'm sure people are going to have questions for you. But let me just segue from what you were talking about microgrids into Tristram.
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:04.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: For his ideas, and then they'll open up the chat to everybody to to have a go. So, Tristan, all yours, please.
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.000 tristram cary: Good. Hmm.
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:15.000 tristram cary: Thank you very much. I feel you've very overhyped what I'm I've got to say, because we're at the we're at the very early stages of looking at um a heart, a program in heart.
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.000 tristram cary: Which is a district in Hampshire that's got 21.
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:30.000 tristram cary: Parishes, and we're working with Alex Templeton, who talked to this group some time ago about his Ciesco project. So Alex Templeton's idea and his company's idea is that they.
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.000 tristram cary: They are raising, funding.
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.000 tristram cary: To make it possible to.
00:42:36.000 --> 00:43:00.000 tristram cary: Put solar on residential roofs across a parish, and the idea is they will pay the upfront costs, and in return the person who has his panels on his roof and doesn't pay for them. They pay as they use the energy, so Ceske will recover the costs of the energy over the 10 year period, and that lowers the barriers to people joining in such a parish level scheme.
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:06.000 tristram cary: So what? And they've agreed to use heart as as the.
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:21.000 tristram cary: As an area to test this. They've done some testing in Essex and West Sussex already, and it seems to go well. And so we're the next on the list, and David Morgan Jones, who's also on this call, is helping me and Alex to.
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:27.000 tristram cary: Promote this to heart. Heart has just agreed that they want to do it, and they're going to support it. So we're ready to go.
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:32.000 tristram cary: So one of the things I then did, which which is what Graham's interested in me to talk about.
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.000 tristram cary: Is, we did a model in parish online to say, what is the.
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:46.000 tristram cary: Capacity of residential roofs in each parish. And how does that compare to the domestic energy load that the parish has currently has.
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:52.000 tristram cary: Which comes from the impact, the center for sustainable energy impact assessment. So this.
00:43:52.000 --> 00:44:01.000 tristram cary: That Cse impact tells you, for every parish in the country what the domestic energy load is for heating, housing, and what sort of stuff.
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:10.000 tristram cary: We've also added on to that the Ev charging, the potential Ev charging load. Assuming that every residence in a parish has.
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:20.000 tristram cary: 2 cars that do the average mileage. So we wanted to understand that. And I've just got the results of the preliminary results of that for heart district.
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:26.000 tristram cary: And just so that you can understand that if we look at the domestic load.
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.000 tristram cary: Looking at all the roofs.
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.000 tristram cary: That that covers an average of 28%.
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:45.000 tristram cary: Of the domestic load, which I think is quite a high number, of course, that assumes, by the way, that all that energy can be used to cover the domestic load, which, of course, it can't, which brings me on to storage energy, storage and recovery systems later on.
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:52.000 tristram cary: So if you use just the residential roofs, it's for an average of 14% of the domestic load is covered.
00:44:52.000 --> 00:45:00.000 tristram cary: If you look at domestic and ev charging, it's 24% for all the roofs and 11% for just residential roofs.
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:19.000 tristram cary: So. The thought then struck me at a very early stage. That that's, I think those numbers are encouraging, and if you could add some agrievoltaics or some local wind power, you you could get to a sort of theoretical 100%, I think, of the power being locally generated.
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:24.000 tristram cary: Provided again, you had an energy, storage, storage and recovery system.
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:42.000 tristram cary: Which seems to me like a very good thing to look at, because we know that the grid, the upgrades to the grid, to be able to take all this energy are very expensive and very long term, and I think the new I've just heard from a nephew that they've been told that.
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:50.000 tristram cary: Their energy. Their wind farm connection to the grid won't be until 2035. So we're talking, you know, about a 10 year delay.
00:45:50.000 --> 00:46:05.000 tristram cary: So that seems to be a massive problem, and of course maintaining a national transmission. Grid is very expensive and very unpopular in planning terms. So it seems to me there is potential to lower the load on the transmission grid.
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:29.000 tristram cary: By having district level, that sort of size, energy, storage, and recovery systems which could be pump storage. It could be hydrogen, it could be. Whatever else lots of systems, compressed air, hot salt. There's all sorts of things which I know by the way, very little about, but I know they're expensive, but my thought was, maybe they're not expensive compared to the planning of the grid.
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:41.000 tristram cary: And then the other thing that occurs to us is that the the defence and security issues around the grid. Your offshore wind farms are very vulnerable to attack the cables coming in.
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:55.000 tristram cary: Are very vulnerable to attack. The transmission lines are very vulnerable to attack, and that's becoming a serious problem in the New Europe. We all know and love. So the other great benefit of more resilient local storage and local generation of storage would be.
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.000 tristram cary: Massive resilience compared to what we have now.
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.000 tristram cary: So that's my contribution. Thank you very much.
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:07.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Brilliant Uh Tristan just what I wanted to hear. Thank you very much. Um.
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:22.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm going to put up the last slide of my presentation, which is actually just the repeat of the 7 points so that we can go through them in some sort of orderly fashion, and just say, does anyone want to say anything about this one or move on.
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:27.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you've got individual questions that are not necessarily pertinent to.
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:38.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The call for evidence. Then could you please either put them in the chat or reserve them, for towards the end of the meeting, so that we can at least get through the agenda.
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: In some sort of orderly fashion, and then we'll open up for um.
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Than usual. Q. And a. Sessions.
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So let me just go back to sharing the.
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Slides.
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So we've done. Tristram.
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:57.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let's come up to here and see if we can go into a slideshow.
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And.
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:19.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the the point really we're discussing now is, do we want to do anything about the call for evidence? There is an extraordinary timeline that we have to finish by the 5.th Sorry. 5 o'clock on Monday.
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:25.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And here are the questions that we're being asked to to answer.
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:31.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So let me just ask, is there anybody who wants to have a contribution towards Number one? Please.
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's a good one.
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.000 Andrew Maliphant: Got her hand up.
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:43.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, I'm so sorry! Yes, I can't see that whilst I'm looking at that, perhaps. Could you.
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:47.000 tristram cary: Graham. Sorry. I just wanted to make a point. Sorry that I should have made this before you started. Um.
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.000 Cara Naden: Thanks.
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:50.000 tristram cary: I did talk to Alex about this issue.
00:48:50.000 --> 00:49:00.000 tristram cary: And he said that there have been very similar. I don't know anything about it again, but, he said, there have been very similar calls for evidence over the last few years that cover all these questions.
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.000 tristram cary: And so he said, all that information is already available to.
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.000 tristram cary: Great British energy. And so he's.
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:12.000 tristram cary: Thought was that we may be. It's a lot of work reproducing stuff that's already been covered.
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:18.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right? Okay. Thank you. Uh, could I just ask you, um?
