# Wendover & Villages - 20Aug25- first Online followup {% embed url="" %} *** ### Meeting Summary: ### Quick recap The meeting focused on climate action planning for Wendover villages, with participants discussing potential projects in biodiversity, retrofitting, and community renewable energy in preparation for an upcoming physical planning event on October 11th. Discussions included biodiversity initiatives across four parishes, retrofit strategies and funding approaches for improving home energy efficiency, and renewable energy options including solar panel installations and grid capacity planning. Participants also explored tools for mapping energy performance ratings, addressed concerns about HS2 construction plans, and planned future discussions on food-related climate initiatives and active travel. ### Next steps * Sean, Jane, Rachel, and Joolz: Form an initial group to manage the biodiversity project. * Rachel: Prepare for the in-person workshop with nearly 50 people booked. * Parish Councils: Consider implementing or updating their biodiversity policies if not already in place. * Sean: Connect with Frances and Amanda Barnacote to identify who is already working on biodiversity mapping in the area. * Parish representatives: Explore creating wildlife corridors between the four parishes. * Rachel: Add Jane to the Claw mailing list. * Joolz: Organize the next zoom meeting with a focus on food, allotments, and transport. * Rachel: Discuss the potential retrofit project for the circular area of bungalows with relevant stakeholders. * Western Turville Parish Council: Work with Amanda Barnacote on completing their biodiversity audit. * Halton Parish Council: Resume work on their biodiversity action plan. * David Morgan-Jones: Continue work on roof analysis for solar panel potential. * Paul: Investigate the Resilience Fund for retrofitting the Rugby Club building. * Joolz: Continue discussions with Paul about energy audit and potential Resilience Fund application. * Rachel: Explore retrofitting options for the identified street in Western Turville. * Rachel: Consider organizing a community screening of retrofit and renewable energy films to build community engagement. * Jane: Explore potential collaboration with RAF on biodiversity initiatives. * Parish representatives: Consider inviting RAF personnel/cadets to the Climate Action workshop. * Kirsty: Follow up on exploring options for parish council investment in allotments. * Kirsty: Explore improvements for Stoke Mandeville allotments for the next meeting's food theme discussion. * Kirsty: Follow up on school solar projects with Buckinghamshire Council. * Joolz: Share information about Bio blitzes and the iNaturalist recording software in the chat. * Murray: Continue discussions with HS2 regarding the cycleway between the A413 and Dunsmore Lane. * David Morgan-Jones: Follow up with Tristram Carey about enhancing Parish Online to produce spreadsheets filtering properties by EPC ratings. * Kirsty: Share information about the Government's data portal for EPCs with the group. * Joolz and Kirsty: Compare notes on school solar projects in the future. * Rachel: Engage with Taylor Wimpey regarding energy sources for the new housing development. * Linda Aspey: Conduct a session on climate cafe listening circles for BANTER in October. * Meeting attendees: Put short introductions in the chat. ### Summary #### Climate Action Network Expansion Meeting Rachel invites Jane to join the Claw climate action meetings, mentioning that representatives from local parishes are now participating. Sean introduces himself as a retired satellite company employee with a background in ecology and biology, who also works with Wendover news. Joolz explains that this session is part of the Great Collaboration's weekly banter sessions, which typically feature specialist speakers on environmental topics and attract town and parish councillors from around the country. #### Wendover Climate Action Planning Initiative Joolz introduces the meeting for Wendover villages community climate action planning, showing a video about how to start a movement that emphasizes the importance of making movements public and nurturing first followers. He explains that the purpose of these calls is to gather as a team to discuss potential projects in biodiversity, retrofitting, and community renewable energy before their physical planning event on October 11th, which will be followed by nine zoom sessions to develop funding and project plans. Joolz requests that participants introduce themselves in the chat rather than verbally to save time. #### Biodiversity Planning Across Parishes Joolz discusses biodiversity duties for local authorities, and Rachel shares that Weston Turville created a biodiversity plan in 2023 with initiatives like less mowing, more flowers, trees, and bird boxes. Jane explains that Halton Parish Council established their biodiversity policy in 2024 but has limited land except for verges where they've planted wildflowers, while Sean from Wendover expresses interest in supporting biodiversity mapping efforts. The group begins forming a team to work on biodiversity projects across the four parishes, with Rachel also mentioning her interest in retrofitting projects, potentially starting with a street in Weston Turville that includes both social and owner-occupied housing. #### Village-Scale Retrofit Strategy Discussion Rachel and Kirsty discuss retrofit strategies, with Kirsty suggesting focusing on entire villages rather than individual streets to achieve scale. Joolz mentions that retrofits cost around £30,000 on average including renewable energy installation, though Kirsty clarifies that basic decarbonization could cost around £11,000, with simpler measures at £7-8,000. David Morgan-Jones shares his approach of using EPC upgrades to identify homes rated D and below to target for improvements. The group debates whether to focus on securing funding for retrofits or normalizing energy efficiency as a homeowner responsibility, with Kirsty emphasizing that people need to take individual action rather than waiting for grants. #### Parish Online EPC Mapping Tool Joolz introduces Parish Online, a geospatial mapping tool with a small subscription cost for town or parish councils that becomes available to local green groups when a parish subscribes. The tool displays Energy Performance Certificate (EPC) ratings using a color-coded system where amber represents E ratings, yellow represents D ratings, and green represents C+ ratings. David mentions he's working with Parish Online to develop functionality that would allow users to filter properties by EPC rating and generate spreadsheets of addresses with D ratings or below, while Kirsty suggests this data might already be available through the Government's data portal for EPCs. #### Solar Energy Community Planning Initiative David Morgan-Jones discusses a project analyzing roofs to identify those suitable for solar panels and battery storage systems, as well as ground-mounted systems where rooftop installation isn't possible. Joolz shares information about the Power Station project in Walthamstow, London, where a couple is working to install solar panels street by street to build community engagement. Kirsty explains that Buckinghamshire isn't ideal for wind energy and already has numerous commercial solar fields, noting that the main challenge is getting Buckinghamshire Council to facilitate school solar projects despite having an unspent climate action budget of £1.2 million. She also emphasizes the importance of local area energy planning to address future grid capacity issues. #### Sustainable Housing and Community Initiatives Joolz discusses the importance of asking developers about energy sources for new homes, noting that many are built with air source heat pumps but without solar panels, making them expensive for homeowners. Kirsty expresses interest in improving allotments in Stoke Mandeville and requests ideas for the next meeting's food theme. Linda from the Climate Psychology Alliance introduces herself and explains how they run climate cafes and listening circles to help people process their feelings about climate change, particularly focusing on building resilience and reducing isolation. The group plans to discuss allotments, food growing, and active travel at their next preparatory zoom meeting, with nearly 50 people already registered for the in-person workshop. #### HS2 Project Plan Reconstruction Murray reports that HS2 is rebuilding their project plan, with CEO Mark Wild committed to delivering a costed plan by the end of November after discovering EKFB had only 55% of design documentation in place. He discusses several issues with the current plans, including problems with road placement, rights of way, and the Bucks Greenway project, particularly noting concerns about a cycleway between Wendover and Dunsmore that have been escalated to the HS2 CEO and Greg Smith. Murray and Rachel also briefly discuss their personal home retrofit plans for heat pumps and solar panels, noting the long payback period but importance for carbon reduction. *** ### Chat: 00:11:47 Andrew Maliphant: I have to beam back to the kitchen, hope today goes well!\ 00:18:27 Helen Jones: Intermittent freezing, now ok\ 00:19:47 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Net Zero Lead for Ewhsot PC (GU10) :-)\ 00:19:50 David Blackmore: David from Weston Turville - chair of Climate Action Wendover\ 00:19:53 Rachel Blackmore: Im Rachel from Weston Turville and Wendover Climate groups and Weston Turville parish council\ 00:19:59 Helen Jones: Martin Baxter & Helen Jones Weston Turville/ Wendover residents\ 00:20:02 Michelle Parker: Bucks Council Community Board Manager for the East Bucks area which includes Wendover and Villages\ 00:20:05 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: Hello - Joy from Stoke Mandeville. I’m interested in food and farming and nature based interventions\ 00:20:18 Murray Cooke: Hi! I’m Murray Cooke from the Wendover HS2 Mitigation Action Group standing in for Andy Band who’s on holiday. Wew\ 00:20:27 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): David Newman, Blackbird Leys Parish Council, Oxford - observing\ 00:20:29 Fiona Harding: Hi, from Sustainable Chesham/XR Chesham, hoping to get Chesham involved in projects for CCA\ 00:20:41 Jenny Barna, Ditchling, Sussex: [Https://ditchlingzero.org](https://ditchlingzero.org/)\ 00:20:42 Eli Kling \[Wendover]:[ https://www.linkedin.com/in/elikling/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/elikling/):\ Cycling, Greening, Public Greens & Parks, Gardens\ 00:20:43 Alan Thawley: Alan Thawley, from Haddenham (Parish Council, Zero Carbon Haddenham) - interested in decarbonisation of transport through shared mobility.\ 00:20:51 Ben B: Ben B: Hi! I’m from Weston Turville Climate Action Group.\ 00:20:52 Mayuko Wendover: Hi I'm Mayuko, a member of Climate Action Wendover :)\ 00:20:52 Ashleigh Stent: Hi! I'm Ashleigh Stent, I grew up in Weston Turville and work in Rural Housing and give advise to Community Buildings in Bucks\ 00:20:53 Murray Cooke: Were interested in Land Restoration after HS2 and the creation of cycle track\ 00:20:56 Belinda Bawden, Dorset: Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council ward member for Lyme Regis & Charmouth; part of The Great Collaboration with Joolz, Andrew & others.\ \ 00:21:06 Jane Hall: Hi\ Jane Hall from West Deben Parish Cluster\ Martlesham Parish Council Biodiversity Working Group.\ 00:21:27 Sean McCarthy: Sean McCarthy - Wendover; Collection of environmental geospatial data from various sources.\ 00:21:43 Jo Naiman: Jo, Wendover resident. interested in emission reduction measures.\ 00:22:44 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: PC lead on climate and environment, major project to decarbonise village now complete (PV panels & battery installed, oil fired boiler and radiators replaced with heat pumps and aircon units) - now looking for other ideas !\ 00:24:12 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: Hello everyone - I'm an exec coach, facilitator and board member of the CPA, and lead on Climate Cafe Listening Circles, CPA talks and trainings. Cotswolds based but used to live near Aylesbury.\ 00:26:56 Kirsty Shanahan: Kirsty Shanahan, Chair of Stoke Mandeville Parish Council, Trustee of Climate Action Wendover, and Dev Director of Bucks Community Energy.\ 00:26:57 Michelle Parker: This is useful to take a look at as to what the Bucks Coucil strategy is: [Ecology and biodiversity | Buckinghamshire Council](https://www.buckinghamshire.gov.uk/environment/ecology-and-biodiversity/)
00:27:58 Pamela Rosling: Hi, Pam from Hazelbury Bryan in rural North Dorset. I’m particularly interested in promoting plant-based diets, biodiversity and nature policies.\ 00:30:29 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: What about Halton House? it’s been shut and left? i wrote to our local MP to ask if it will come back to the community. I understand the MOD can’t afford its upkeep.\ 00:30:41 Joolz | Community Climate Action: \ 00:31:08 Joolz | Community Climate Action: \ 00:31:55 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: What would that include?\ 00:33:17 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: I am logging data when out and about in Stoke Mandeville - specifically insects, trees, birds and wildlife through three different apps.\ 00:36:23 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): You can map EPC certificates in Parish Online.\ 00:36:50 Sean McCarthy: Reacted to "You can map EPC cert..." with 👍\ 00:36:59 Sean McCarthy: Reacted to "I am logging data wh..." with 👍\ 00:38:46 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Opportunity for citizen scientists sampling local watercourses and adding to UK database of water quality. Next sampling exercise 19/22 Sept, info & sampling kits available from:\ \ 00:40:41 Sean McCarthy: Reacted to "Opportunity for citi..." with 👍\ 00:40:44 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Then there is Draft Busters.\ 00:40:53 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: Professor Joanne Patterson is one of the leading academics researching and running projects on retrofitting she speaks to groups and did an amazing presentation in oxford. She talked about £60,000 per house to completely refit.\ 00:41:09 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: She’s based in Cardiff\ 00:41:40 Michelle Parker: Reacted to "Professor Joanne P..." with 😮\ 00:41:51 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Lots of information at (different county).\ 00:43:46 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Also top down analysis example: \ 00:45:41 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: Dorset Council has taken on Solar Together to encourage solar and battery installations. It's a national scheme - [Solar Together Dorset - Dorset Council](https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/solar-together-dorset)\ 00:48:27 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Reacted to "Dorset Council has t..." with 👍\ 00:48:59 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: Dorset Council also commissions Healthy Homes Dorset who offer free advice on retrofitting. They'll apply for the grant funding for eligible households - \ 00:50:39 Pamela Rosling: In case you haven't come across it, 'People Planet Pint' is a good way to find others interested in climate action. Here's the link to join (or form) a local group:[ https://small99.co.uk/people-planet-pint-meetup/](https://small99.co.uk/people-planet-pint-meetup/)\ 00:51:02 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Reacted to "In case you haven't ..." with 👍\ 00:51:39 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Reacted to "Dorset Council also ..." with 👍\ 00:53:32 Murray Cooke: Can you show us Wendover?\ 00:55:24 Ben B: Parish online website says Weston Turville is already subscribed to Parish Online - looks good!\ 00:55:39 Sean McCarthy: Reacted to "Parish online websit..." with 👍\ 00:56:11 Alan Thawley - Haddenham: Sorry - I need to drop off the call, but may be back before the end.\ 00:56:37 Ben B: Reacted to "Parish online websit…" with 👍\ 00:57:25 Kirsty Shanahan: I think it is this website: \ 00:57:47 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: Dorset Climate Action Network has Dorset Greener Homes where people invite others to see their heat pumps, wildflower gardens, insulation measures etc \ 00:58:21 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: Also Low Carbon Neighbourhoods - \ 01:00:44 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Sounds like the community energy plan Low Carbon Hub did for Eynsham area ()\ 01:03:13 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): [https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/power-station ](https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/power-station)first target reached.\ 01:05:45 Ben B: Octopus helped to install solar panels on 13 homes in the Power Station example using the crowd funding money\ 01:06:15 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Reacted to "Octopus helped to in..." with 💚\ 01:07:38 Ben B: School solar sounds good\ 01:10:50 Rachel Blackmore: Reacted to "Octopus helped to in..." with ❤️\ 01:12:35 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Good work all, thanks for your efforts !\ 01:13:21 Ben B: Food and Transport would be good next time\ 01:13:35 Fiona Harding: Reacted to "Food and Transport w\..." with 👍\ 01:13:43 Michelle Parker: Kirsty - Bierton Community Allotment is worth looking at - I will share the ladies name with you.\ 01:15:21 Kirsty Shanahan: Sounds like the community energy plan Low Carbon Hub did for Eynsham area ()\ This is an excellent plan and we are looking to plagiarise some of it for the Hazlemere project and also learn from the LCH team as they have loads of experience.\ 01:15:29 Kirsty Shanahan: Reacted to "Kirsty - Bierton C..." with 👍\ 01:16:14 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Joolz thank you for the invite; it's great to listen in to issues and problems that effect us all. 👍\ 01:16:17 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: \ 01:16:28 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: [www.climatepsychologyalliance.org](https://www.climatepsychologyalliance.org)\ 01:16:45 Fiona Harding: Thank you very much Rachel & Joolz\ 01:17:05 Ruth Malleson: Yes thank you very much to all, really interesting.\ 01:17:07 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: I've completely burnt my supper listening to you! Good luck 💪\ 01:20:59 JANE MACKINNON: Thanks Rachel good meeting. *** ### Audio Transcript: (for AI search engine) 103\ 00:11:47.280 --> 00:11:56.400\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And delighted also to be joined by, Linda Aspey, Aspe, who's, joining us from the Climate Psychology Alliance, I think? 104\ 00:11:56.410 --> 00:12:08.060\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: who's gonna give us some help and support on psychology, relationships, and resilience when it comes to dealing with the… some of the mental health impacts of, of climate change. 105\ 00:12:09.770 --> 00:12:12.840\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I think we're pretty much, pretty much about there. 106\ 00:12:13.220 --> 00:12:19.039\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: … So, I'm gonna kick off with a very short video. 107\ 00:12:19.750 --> 00:12:21.709\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: About how to start a movement. 108\ 00:12:22.380 --> 00:12:35.439\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And some of you that stayed on a little later on last week, last… last month's call will have seen it, but I actually forgot to play it to everyone, so, it's part of our theory of change at, Community Climate Action. 109\ 00:12:35.920 --> 00:12:49.010\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which both those from Banter Sessions and, Wendover and Villages will have… will have heard a little bit about, or heard about our theory of change and diffusion of innovation. So, if you bear with me just one moment… 110\ 00:12:50.290 --> 00:12:53.179\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I will just share my screen. 111\ 00:13:03.050 --> 00:13:08.980\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: There we go. So you should hopefully be able to see the diffusion of innovation bell curve. 112\ 00:13:09.110 --> 00:13:22.440\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which you might remember from previous Zooms, we're… we're way over on the left at the moment. Everyone in this room is probably in the innovator category, as we kick off and start activity. 113\ 00:13:22.770 --> 00:13:25.520\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: But a really good, … 114\ 00:13:25.620 --> 00:13:28.640\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Video on how to start a movement 115\ 00:13:28.900 --> 00:13:36.480\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Is, by Derek Sivers as a TED talk, how to start a movement in two minutes, because you can't have a million without one. 116\ 00:13:37.230 --> 00:13:38.820\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, here we go. 117\ 00:13:58.530 --> 00:14:13.960\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So ladies and gentlemen, at TED, we talk a lot about leadership and how to make a movement. So let's watch a movement happen, start to finish, in under 3 minutes, and dissect some lessons from it. First, of course you know, a leader needs the guts to stand out and be ridiculed. 118\ 00:14:15.270 --> 00:14:28.319\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: But what he's doing is so easy to follow. So here's this first follower with a crucial role. He's going to show everyone else how to follow. Now notice that the leader embraces him as an equal. So now it's not about the leader anymore, it's about them, plural. 119\ 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:35.809\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Now, there he is calling to his friends. Now, if you notice that the first follower is actually an underestimated form of leadership in itself. 120\ 00:14:35.810 --> 00:14:38.039\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: It takes guts to stand out like that. 121\ 00:14:38.190 --> 00:14:43.049\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: The first follower is what transforms a lone nut into a leader. 122\ 00:14:48.140 --> 00:14:58.730\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And here comes a second follower. Now it's not a lone nut, it's not two nuts, three is a crowd, and a crowd is news. So a movement must be public. It's important to show not…. 123\ 00:15:07.670 --> 00:15:08.240\ Helen Jones: Hmm. 124\ 00:15:11.030 --> 00:15:13.059\ Sean McCarthy: It's not just me that it's frozen on, then. 125\ 00:15:15.900 --> 00:15:16.979\ Rachel Blackmore: Frozen on me, too. 126\ 00:15:16.980 --> 00:15:18.679\ Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Nope, I'm frozen too. 127\ 00:15:19.100 --> 00:15:19.990\ Frances Tipper: person. 128\ 00:15:23.820 --> 00:15:29.330\ Frances Tipper: They won't be ridiculed, but they will be part of the in-crowd if they hurry. So… 129\ 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:43.189\ Frances Tipper: Over the next minute, you'll see all of the, those that prefer to stick with the crowd, because eventually they would be ridiculed for not joining in. And that's how you make a movement. But, let's recap some lessons from this. 130\ 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:57.190\ Helen Jones: So, first, if you are the type, like the shirtless dancing guy, that is standing alone, remember the importance of nurturing your first few followers as equals, so it's clearly about the movement, not you. Okay. 131\ 00:15:57.190 --> 00:16:05.160\ Rachel Blackmore: But we might have missed the real lesson here. The biggest lesson, if you noticed, did you catch it, is that leadership is over-glorified. 132\ 00:16:05.450 --> 00:16:18.110\ Rachel Blackmore: That yes, it was the shirtless guy was first, and he'll get all the credit, but it was really the first follower that transformed the lone nut into a leader. So as we're told that we should all be leaders, that would be really ineffective. 133\ 00:16:18.180 --> 00:16:33.580\ Rachel Blackmore: If you really care about starting a movement, have the courage to follow and show others how to follow. And when you find a lone nut doing something great, have the guts to be the first one to stand up and join in. And what a perfect place to do that, Ted. Thanks. 134\ 00:16:50.400 --> 00:16:54.469\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, a couple of lessons there. I hope you all enjoyed the video. 135\ 00:16:54.620 --> 00:17:01.860\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: But a couple of lessons. The movement must be public, so here we are. We've got a great bunch of people in this room, and we've got some observers. 136\ 00:17:01.970 --> 00:17:09.680\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I would request that perhaps those who are kind of joining from our regular banter session, from the great collaboration. 137\ 00:17:09.810 --> 00:17:12.559\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Happy for you to contribute. 138\ 00:17:12.690 --> 00:17:27.789\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: But obviously this is a planning session for Wendover and Villages, so if you could perhaps maybe, just put on, change your name, and say where you're from, that would be great, so we can just see who's here. So, a movement must be public. 139\ 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:29.710\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it's less risky. 140\ 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:41.980\ Rachel Blackmore: Can't hear you, Jules, is it just me? 141\ 00:17:47.120 --> 00:17:47.840\ Fiona Harding: counts here. 142\ 00:17:47.840 --> 00:17:48.880\ Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: audio tube. 143\ 00:17:49.190 --> 00:17:50.939\ Rachel Blackmore: Oh, we've lost you, Jules. 144\ 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:57.460\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I don't know if you can hear me. 145\ 00:17:57.460 --> 00:18:01.400\ Sean McCarthy: I think Jules needs a local broadband, movement there. 146\ 00:18:03.040 --> 00:18:09.009\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Possibly, yeah. I mean, we have had super-fast broadband installed, but it's not super fast. 147\ 00:18:09.010 --> 00:18:10.209\ Sean McCarthy: That's the reason, then. 148\ 00:18:10.210 --> 00:18:17.019\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, it's supposed to be 600MB, and occasionally I get moments like this, but I hope you… I hope you can hear me okay now, and… 149\ 00:18:17.750 --> 00:18:31.070\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, good, good. So, I was just saying, a movement must be public, and here we are. Look at this, we've got 30 people on this Zoom call, which is absolutely fantastic. I just mentioned that if those from the banter session could, 150\ 00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:43.389\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Perhaps just change your name and say where you're from. We'd love you to participate, volunteer if you've got capacity and help, that would be fantastic, but it's a planning session for Wendover villages, so… 151\ 00:18:43.620 --> 00:18:50.170\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Otherwise, just, you know, watch and, and, see, you know, kind of see what we're up to. 152\ 00:18:50.570 --> 00:18:53.739\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, on the agenda for today… 153\ 00:18:54.550 --> 00:19:00.699\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: We haven't quite got time, really, for everybody to introduce themselves, which is a real shame. 154\ 00:19:01.140 --> 00:19:11.739\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Because even at 30 seconds or a minute, that's 15 minutes to half an hour of introductions. So I would request that you all just put a short introduction into the chat. 155\ 00:19:12.790 --> 00:19:18.110\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: That way, we can save it for posterity, and we know who's… we know who's here, and what you do, and what your interest is. 156\ 00:19:20.170 --> 00:19:30.229\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the agenda today, we've done what makes a movement, just have a… we'll do a quick round of updates, if anyone's got, anything they'd like to share from the previous meeting. 157\ 00:19:30.510 --> 00:19:35.220\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then we're probably going to talk a little bit about biodiversity, retrofitting. 158\ 00:19:35.380 --> 00:19:40.030\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: and Community Renewable Energy, on this, on this particular call. 159\ 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:47.419\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the purpose of these calls is to gather us together as a group and as a team. 160\ 00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:58.909\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: to think about what projects we might want to take forward when we meet physically for our Wendover Villages Community Climate Action Planning event, which is on the 11th of October. 161\ 00:19:59.610 --> 00:20:02.519\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: We'll then be doing a series of 9… 162\ 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.609\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: follow-up Zooms, similar to this, where we can look at funding. 163\ 00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:13.280\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And project plans to actually make our dreams and our… plans are reality. 164\ 00:20:14.280 --> 00:20:22.419\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, first of all, just to see who might… if anyone has any updates or anything they'd like to share from previous… previous meeting. 165\ 00:20:48.090 --> 00:20:51.120\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I hate… I hope you can still hear me, okay? 166\ 00:20:51.460 --> 00:20:52.080\ Rachel Blackmore: Yep. 167\ 00:20:52.080 --> 00:20:53.550\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, oh, fabulous. 168\ 00:20:53.660 --> 00:21:02.389\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Cool. So one of… one of the things we've, we've looked… well, we've considered a couple of things. One is, biodiversity. 169\ 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:07.650\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I've shared a model biodiversity duty with Rachel. 170\ 00:21:08.190 --> 00:21:17.640\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And for those on the call from, the Wendover Villages Parish Councils, I wonder if, if you have 171\ 00:21:17.790 --> 00:21:24.490\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: an existing biodiversity policy in place, or whether or not you'd consider 172\ 00:21:24.820 --> 00:21:31.989\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Putting it on the agenda for discussion. So, our respective biodiversity duty is a statutory duty for our… 173\ 00:21:32.390 --> 00:21:33.140\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: … 174\ 00:21:33.330 --> 00:21:44.379\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: For our… for any local authority, including town and parish councils, where we've got to consider by the… our local nature-based recovery systems in any decision 175\ 00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:45.920\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: That we take. 176\ 00:21:45.980 --> 00:22:04.929\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: In an effort to, both… well, in an effort to improve our biodiversity, but that means measuring it, and then auditing it, which are a couple of the… couple of the tricky bits, and it was top of the list when we did a survey by the SLCC. So, do you want to speak to that moment, Rachel, from Western Terville? 177\ 00:22:04.930 --> 00:22:23.929\ Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, yeah, certainly. So, Western Terrville created our biodiversity plan in 2023, and we updated it in 2024 in line with the model, and it was pretty, pretty much the same, but we put it into the same format, because it was a good way of, of looking at it. So, we've gone ahead, we've been 178\ 00:22:23.930 --> 00:22:32.730\ Rachel Blackmore: Doing, the aims and objectives on it, which are obviously increasing biodiversity, protecting the biodiversity that we've got. 179\ 00:22:32.760 --> 00:22:39.959\ Rachel Blackmore: managing land and property in environment… our own land and… our own land that the parish council have. 180\ 00:22:40.150 --> 00:22:55.679\ Rachel Blackmore: So less mowing of verges. So we've been able to carry all that kind of thing out, less mowing, less chemicals, more flowers, more trees, more bird boxes, hedgehog roots, spaces for bats, etc. We've created a nature reserve. 181\ 00:22:55.850 --> 00:23:13.050\ Rachel Blackmore: With the support of Amanda Barnecote, who, if she's not on the call, might be joining us, and she's been wonderful, and she also supports Wendover. So, it's both the Climate Action Wendover and the Parish Council, and the same in Western Turnville, the Climate Action Group. 182\ 00:23:13.050 --> 00:23:17.240\ Rachel Blackmore: is supported by the parish council, so it's great teamwork. 183\ 00:23:17.350 --> 00:23:40.879\ Rachel Blackmore: And Amanda… Amanda Barnacote is from Chilton, Wild Belt, part of Chilton Society, and, she… it's her job to help local people increase the biodiversity. So, we'll be working with Amanda. So the hard bits, we haven't yet done the, the audit, and, so yes, that's… that'll be big, and we'll be working with Amanda. 184\ 00:23:40.950 --> 00:23:42.939\ Rachel Blackmore: On that, in the future. 185\ 00:23:43.150 --> 00:23:52.399\ Rachel Blackmore: And I've spoken with Jane, who've also done similar things in Halton, but you're on the call, Jane, aren't you? Did you want to… 186\ 00:23:52.670 --> 00:23:59.489\ Rachel Blackmore: report back, or did you want Hugo to say something, or me on your behalf? 187\ 00:23:59.820 --> 00:24:06.390\ JANE MACKINNON: Sorry, sorry, excuse me. Yeah, I don't know if Hugo's on the call, actually. I didn't spot him. 188\ 00:24:06.390 --> 00:24:07.499\ Rachel Blackmore: No, I didn't. 189\ 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:32.479\ JANE MACKINNON: No, okay, yeah, so basically, the same as you, we set up our biodiversity policy in 2024, and, we started to work on our action plan, and then, for some reason, abandoned it, I think, because there's so few of us, and we got busy with other stuff. But, basically what we do is, everything that we think about in the parish when we're managing, we do think about environmental sustainability. 190\ 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:37.849\ JANE MACKINNON: and biodiversity. So, you know, a couple of years ago, we got all of the, 191\ 00:24:37.850 --> 00:24:58.360\ JANE MACKINNON: locals out, and we planted wildflower… Florida flowers in the verges, and I think Amanda Barnacote helped us with that to start off with. So we don't actually have any land of our own to manage, because we're such a small parish. The only thing that we've got are verges, and so we've mowed them less, and we've, 192\ 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:22.990\ JANE MACKINNON: planted wildflowers in them, and we've got, bee hotels that we had Lintingate make for us, sort of the bug hotels that we put into the, verges as well. So, the only other thing that we do is, obviously, all the planning applications that come through. There's reams of them, obviously, for the roads and the local things that are going on in the area from Bucks Council. One of our councillors, is a, … 193\ 00:25:23.510 --> 00:25:47.549\ JANE MACKINNON: an architect, and he's a landscape architect, so he's very knowledgeable about trees and about climate change, and so he's very good at every time we see a new planting application, he always comments, particularly with books, about planting hedgerows, and quite often they keep using the same trees, and he suggests better, or different sort of trees that are local, that they think should diversify a bit more. 194\ 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:52.519\ JANE MACKINNON: So, really, that's all we can do, because we don't actually have any land of our own. 195\ 00:25:55.130 --> 00:25:58.040\ Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Jane. And, … 196\ 00:25:58.040 --> 00:26:20.790\ Rachel Blackmore: Wendover have done similar things to us. They've also got a patch of land. Did you… did you want to say anything, Francis, or are you happy for me to? Yeah, so we, yeah, we spoke at our meeting, and yeah, Wendover Wild Belt is wonderful, isn't it? A huge piece of land that Parish Council and the Climate Group have worked with together to, increase the biodiversity. 197\ 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.550\ Rachel Blackmore: And, similar… 198\ 00:26:23.550 --> 00:26:47.540\ Rachel Blackmore: yes, doing similar works to ourselves. Stoke and Mandeville are rather burdened, aren't you, Kirstie, with, huge projects of building and HS2, but… so, obviously, biodiversity will come into, increase… or certainly the Community Climate Action can help Stoke Mandeville with that, because we can work on increasing the bio… hi, Kirsty, increasing the biodiversity. 199\ 00:26:47.540 --> 00:27:02.409\ Rachel Blackmore: along the route of HS2. Indeed, their… obviously, that's their remit, and we'll… we'll be holding to it, but I think they… they want to… they want to look good, so there'll be a lot more biodiversity coming into Stoke and Mandeville on that section, slashing through your parish, Kirsty. 200\ 00:27:02.570 --> 00:27:07.620\ Rachel Blackmore: So that's our four parish, brief updates on biodiversity. 201\ 00:27:09.020 --> 00:27:12.399\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic. Well, that sounds… that sounds like a good start. 202\ 00:27:13.770 --> 00:27:15.649\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And whereabouts are you, Jane? 203\ 00:27:17.590 --> 00:27:20.270\ Rachel Blackmore: Jones Holton Parish Council Chair. 204\ 00:27:20.270 --> 00:27:21.100\ JANE MACKINNON: Holton, yeah. 205\ 00:27:21.530 --> 00:27:21.900\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Brilliant. 206\ 00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:22.650\ Rachel Blackmore: to have you…. 207\ 00:27:22.650 --> 00:27:31.230\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thanks, Jane, that gives me a bit of context. I'm sort of familiarising myself with the geography of the area, so really handy to know where you are, and…. 208\ 00:27:31.230 --> 00:27:45.049\ JANE MACKINNON: Okay, so we're sort of, next to Wendover and, Western Turville, but, our parish is tiny, but it's mainly… the land is mainly taken up by a Royal Air Force Station. 209\ 00:27:45.050 --> 00:27:58.849\ JANE MACKINNON: And when the Royal Air Force sold the village off, no land was given to the villagers, so we basically got a village hall with a car park, and then we just got verges. But we don't actually have any land of our own. 210\ 00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:03.070\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay, might be really interesting to get in touch with the RAF. 211\ 00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:13.299\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: We're doing that in our local area. The RAF have a net zero target of 2040, I think, for all of their… all of their operations. They're taking it very seriously. 212\ 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:17.940\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And also the forces often have, volunteer days. 213\ 00:28:18.100 --> 00:28:26.740\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So forces personnel can go and volunteer for local, local things, so the Army were out cleaning a beach recently, picking up plastic, that kind of thing. 214\ 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:31.430\ JANE MACKINNON: I must say that they do help us, they are brilliant, but they look after our churchyard for us. 215\ 00:28:31.430 --> 00:28:32.330\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, wow, cool. 216\ 00:28:32.330 --> 00:28:56.669\ JANE MACKINNON: They come out, the recruits come out and clean up the churchyard, and also we have volunteers on our speed watch from the RAF as well. So we've got a great relationship with the station. They do have an environmental section, and they used to do work where they were looking after wild orchids and stuff like that on the RAF site. They've got rare grasses and all that sort of thing. 217\ 00:28:56.700 --> 00:29:08.169\ JANE MACKINNON: And we have tried to get involved with them and, join their environmental group, but they're not very keen to have us, because I think they just don't want us to be able to see what they've got. 218\ 00:29:08.260 --> 00:29:15.450\ JANE MACKINNON: But that's partly because then the station is closing, and it's being sold off for house building. 219\ 00:29:15.450 --> 00:29:40.319\ JANE MACKINNON: And, we've done a lot of work with Bucks Council on the plan for the site. I'll wrap up in a sec. And, in that plan, they're going to conserve things like the orchids, the wild grasses, all that sort of stuff. And, we're looking at all the protections of all the woodland, etc. So we've done a lot of work with Bucks Council on that, but obviously there's not time here to go into all of that, because eventually we will get that land ourselves when 220\ 00:29:40.320 --> 00:29:43.719\ JANE MACKINNON: Station closers, but that's some way off. 221\ 00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:58.150\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay, wow, that's really fascinating to learn, particularly if, the recruits are helping. You know, the air cadets or similar might like to come to the Climate Action Workshop, so we could perhaps invite the RAF. 222\ 00:29:58.760 --> 00:29:59.230\ JANE MACKINNON: Yeah. 223\ 00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:02.709\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Are you guys familiar with BioBlitzes? 224\ 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.320\ Rachel Blackmore: No. 225\ 00:30:04.450 --> 00:30:20.399\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: No? So I'll put some links in the chat. So, in Essex, in a local area, they're doing a BioBlitz with a piece of recording software called iNaturalist. 226\ 00:30:21.110 --> 00:30:32.789\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And so you can walk around with your phone, you can take pictures, and it will automatically identify plants, species, flora and fauna, and add them to a map, for you. 227\ 00:30:33.410 --> 00:30:41.269\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I'll just pop details of that in the chat. So, as we get together, it'd be really interesting to look at 228\ 00:30:41.630 --> 00:30:56.150\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: you know, our biodiversity holistically between the four areas, and also how we may look at creating wildlife corridors. You know, bee highways and this kind of thing between the parishes. So, something to consider. 229\ 00:30:56.630 --> 00:31:05.189\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I wonder if there's anyone on this call that might like to support that kind of work, has a particular interest in nature-based recovery. 230\ 00:31:06.310 --> 00:31:12.609\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And might wanna… might wanna help Jane and… Jane and Rachel and others, look at biodiversity. 231\ 00:31:16.070 --> 00:31:22.680\ Sean McCarthy: Sorry, this is Sean here from Wendover. When you say support, what do you specifically mean? This is my first meeting. 232\ 00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:38.229\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, sure. So, I guess really, Sean, I'm asking if there's anyone on this call that would like to volunteer some time to organise a BioBlitz and or a sort of benchmark, if you like, for biodiversity in the four parishes. 233\ 00:31:39.560 --> 00:31:40.840\ Sean McCarthy: I'm… I'm… I'm… 234\ 00:31:41.130 --> 00:31:52.569\ Sean McCarthy: I don't know whether I'll be the bloke taking my shirt off at the front of the thing, but supporting it, certainly. Yeah, I'm interested in, sort of, geospatial data, so that kind of falls into my… 235\ 00:31:52.840 --> 00:32:06.749\ Sean McCarthy: bailiwick a little bit. What I think I'd like to do would be to identify who's doing what first, because there may be somebody already doing it, but I'll speak to Francis and others and ask them. 236\ 00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:25.459\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, I think, I think, I think that's the best thing to do. I mean, this is kind of a meet and greet, and it's really just the start of something. Of course, if you volunteer, or, and you discover, or life happens, and you don't have capacity, it's always, always, always okay to hand stuff back. There's nothing, nothing particularly, …. 237\ 00:32:25.750 --> 00:32:26.690\ Sean McCarthy: onerous. 238\ 00:32:26.690 --> 00:32:39.170\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: is a good word right now. If you've got an interest in geospatial stuff, that's kind of ideal, because a good bit of it is mapping. Another bit is just called…. 239\ 00:32:42.600 --> 00:32:47.819\ Rachel Blackmore: Whilst Jules Frozen, Amanda Barnacote will be… will know a lot of what's going on as well, Sean. 240\ 00:32:47.820 --> 00:32:48.500\ Sean McCarthy: Monica, okay. 241\ 00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:50.899\ Rachel Blackmore: While I can put you in touch with her. 242\ 00:32:51.020 --> 00:32:51.920\ Sean McCarthy: Thank you. 243\ 00:32:52.100 --> 00:32:55.630\ Rachel Blackmore: She'll know what's happening, what she's involved in. 244\ 00:32:56.280 --> 00:32:58.590\ Rachel Blackmore: You fro… your frozen jewels, sorry. 245\ 00:33:04.490 --> 00:33:08.430\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, there we go, I think I might have unfrozen. I heard you talking, Rachel. 246\ 00:33:08.430 --> 00:33:10.690\ Rachel Blackmore: Fill the gap. 247\ 00:33:10.690 --> 00:33:26.109\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, so I was just going to suggest, you know, we're starting to coalesce with perhaps Jane, Rachel, Sean, and, you know, and others into a little group that can help… could think about managing this as a project, and also where we might build other capacity from. 248\ 00:33:26.190 --> 00:33:44.859\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, you know, it's not the end game in terms of the team that we're forming now, but it's the start of a group. And what I was saying, Sean, is, yeah, if you're into geospatial and mapping, that's a really key component part in a lot of the stuff that we do, and I'm a big fan of maps, because every journey starts with a map. 249\ 00:33:45.300 --> 00:33:48.019\ Sean McCarthy: And that… and everything has a place somewhere. 250\ 00:33:48.350 --> 00:33:57.450\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Absolutely, and we all have a destination, be it, you know, be it community energy, retrofitting, biodiversity, all of this will be kind of mapped, really, so…. 251\ 00:33:57.830 --> 00:34:00.030\ Sean McCarthy: Okay, yeah, I'd like to do that, thank you. 252\ 00:34:00.030 --> 00:34:06.660\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Brilliant, brilliant, okay, cool. So, that's a little bit of an update on biodiversity. 253\ 00:34:07.260 --> 00:34:11.789\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Anything else, from anyone before we perhaps move on? 254\ 00:34:18.330 --> 00:34:25.350\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: No? Okay. … Another thing that, has been mentioned is retrofitting. 255\ 00:34:45.819 --> 00:34:48.879\ Michelle Parker: Rachel, you're on… you're on mute. 256\ 00:34:49.480 --> 00:35:04.779\ Rachel Blackmore: Bother, bother. Yeah, I was saying, while Jules is frozen, I've had a… I'm very interested in retrofitting as part of our, community climate action, and I know a lot of you here will have expertise in retrofitting, and yeah, a lot of knowledge, and… 257\ 00:35:05.180 --> 00:35:10.480\ Rachel Blackmore: cursed is involved as well, and yeah, all sorts of different ways. Are you back with us yet, Jules? 258\ 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:22.250\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I am indeed, yeah, I froze a bit, and really, it was good… relatively good timing, because I was just kind of handing over to you to say, to talk about your interest in retrofitting, and I think you mentioned a particular street that you'd like to look at. 259\ 00:35:22.250 --> 00:35:45.260\ Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, so when I spoke to John Christophers, who's, who was part of the team in Retrofit Boston Heath in Birmingham, they started with a street of mixed housing, social and owner-occupied, so we've got a street in Western Terville that fulfils that. So we would be… so, thoughts at the moment, obviously we haven't had our workshop yet, but that we could… each parish could have a street. 260\ 00:35:45.350 --> 00:36:04.350\ Rachel Blackmore: We can then, again, Jules expertise, finding out which… which is the best way of getting funding, and then offering retrofits to people in a, in a particular street and rolling it out. And again, you, Kirsty, probably have more experience of this in as much as you're working with Ed Gemmel in. 261\ 00:36:04.910 --> 00:36:09.389\ Rachel Blackmore: Hazelmir, aren't you, on, with Retrofit ideas, so…. 262\ 00:36:09.390 --> 00:36:13.930\ Kirsty Shanahan: Yeah, we haven't… we've still not had our funding through, but, yeah. 263\ 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:25.200\ Kirsty Shanahan: I mean, my feeling is that we're done with the streets at this point, and that we should really be just going for whole, villages in order to achieve some sort of scale. 264\ 00:36:25.660 --> 00:36:30.580\ Kirsty Shanahan: But… but on the other hand, it doesn't really matter as long as you start somewhere, so…. 265\ 00:36:30.580 --> 00:36:46.919\ Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, I mean, when I say streets, I don't mean just do a street, I mean do the whole village, but street by street. So just starting, yeah, starting maybe with people who may not have had… in a street where people may not have had the money to do much themselves, and then, yeah, just moving on. 266\ 00:36:47.740 --> 00:36:48.950\ Rachel Blackmore: Around…. 267\ 00:36:48.950 --> 00:37:03.099\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, it's, it's really interesting, retrofit. The average cost of a retrofit is some… is in the region of £30,000, including renewable energy installation, and what have you. There is… there is government grant funding. 268\ 00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:12.550\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: There are a variety of qualification criteria. There are also other schemes and other sources of capital, in particular for… 269\ 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:20.180\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Community buildings. So you can get a grant to have a free energy audit, up to £2,500 pounds. 270\ 00:37:20.470 --> 00:37:30.319\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then you can have the capital cost, even 6 figures, 100, 150,000, covered by, the Resilience Fund, which… 271\ 00:37:30.540 --> 00:37:34.370\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: It is 40% grant and 60% loan. 272\ 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.099\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So we're doing that with our rugby club. 273\ 00:37:37.220 --> 00:37:41.970\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I've had a call with Paul, who's the chair of Aylesby Rugby Club. 274\ 00:37:42.110 --> 00:37:48.749\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And he's interested in investigating that and looking at it, to see if that's something they'd like to take. 275\ 00:37:48.930 --> 00:37:50.270\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Forward. 276\ 00:37:50.500 --> 00:37:57.150\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's results, so it could be a real good exemplar and a show… showpiece for people to… people to have a look at. 277\ 00:37:57.570 --> 00:38:14.919\ Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, and I see what you mean, Kirsty. You mean rather than do street by street, just make the plan to go for the whole village all at once, so look at your 30,000 multiplied by your 4,000 houses, or whatever, or in our case, it's 1,500 at the minute, but, yeah, it's sort of a… go for big funding straight away, rather than…. 278\ 00:38:15.220 --> 00:38:27.549\ Kirsty Shanahan: The trouble is, Rachel, is that it's really difficult to get funding for owner-occupiers who are relatively affluent, and we live in quite an affluent area. We're not in an opportunity box area, so, … 279\ 00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:37.360\ Kirsty Shanahan: Yes, Jules is right, but the grants are dwindling for this stuff, so you've got the boiler Upgrade Scheme, you've got Eco4 and Eco4 Flex. 280\ 00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:42.390\ Kirsty Shanahan: Flex has some health criteria in addition to what you can get for Eco4. 281\ 00:38:42.650 --> 00:38:47.479\ Kirsty Shanahan: And then, … really, for… 282\ 00:38:48.260 --> 00:38:57.580\ Kirsty Shanahan: for homeowners that can afford stuff, they… there isn't really… there aren't really grants apart from the boiler upgrade scheme. And, oh, there's the Great British Insulation Scheme, but again. 283\ 00:38:57.580 --> 00:39:09.420\ Kirsty Shanahan: you have to have… your house has to be below a D, EPC, and all of that kind of stuff. I just… just on the cost of retrofit, so the project in Hazelmere, we're not going for… 284\ 00:39:09.570 --> 00:39:20.319\ Kirsty Shanahan: the cost that Jules quoted is usually quoted including, like, external wall insulation, which really ramps the cost up, but actually, you could decarbonize a house for around 11 grand. 285\ 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:31.840\ Kirsty Shanahan: That's not necessarily including the insulation, but that's just to get off gas, and we, in Hazelmoor, we want to look at the kind of basic stuff that might cost around seven or eight grand. 286\ 00:39:31.870 --> 00:39:40.350\ Kirsty Shanahan: To try and make it a little bit more palatable and start, because what we've generally found is that if you've got solar, you then move on and do the rest. 287\ 00:39:40.770 --> 00:39:50.769\ Kirsty Shanahan: Because, you know, once you've kind of got over the hurdle of, is this a, you know, new technology, am I going to get burned, am I going to damage my house, and all of that kind of psychological barrier. 288\ 00:39:50.770 --> 00:40:00.980\ Kirsty Shanahan: Then people are generally inspired. And you don't have to do everything at once, but people are afraid of it, Jules, you're right, because they think it costs 30 grand, and they're like, I can't afford that. 289\ 00:40:01.470 --> 00:40:10.139\ Kirsty Shanahan: So, but anyway, there's… it's… it's a very complex area. I can't wait to see Rachel make it happen, though, because if anybody can, it's you. 290\ 00:40:10.620 --> 00:40:15.459\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure. It is complex, yeah, very definitely. David, Morgan Jones. 291\ 00:40:16.630 --> 00:40:18.510\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Good evening, everybody. … 292\ 00:40:19.120 --> 00:40:38.289\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: really interested to hear what's going on. Again, we're all struggling in identical parallel universes. We are in North Hampshire. What we're doing, just to help you with the retrofitting, is we're starting a program of EPC upgrades across the parish. 293\ 00:40:38.640 --> 00:40:43.960\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: … We're struggling a little bit getting the funding for those, … 294\ 00:40:44.150 --> 00:40:47.570\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: That don't have it, not willing to pay for it. 295\ 00:40:47.860 --> 00:40:48.660\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: … 296\ 00:40:49.740 --> 00:40:58.899\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: a lot of our… when we… when we did an analysis of all our houses, we used, Parish Online, which has all of that inbuilt. 297\ 00:40:59.010 --> 00:41:17.129\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And it tells us exactly which houses, do not have an EPC, or if they do, what grade it is. And our view is, A, we get everybody's EPCs up and running, and then B, once we've identified it, we'll only focus on those that are D and below. 298\ 00:41:17.940 --> 00:41:29.380\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And whilst that's not a perfect solution, it's a pragmatic solution, in that we can try and focus on those that really, really need it, and where insulation's going to make a significant difference. 299\ 00:41:29.700 --> 00:41:34.190\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: … So, yeah, just a thought to share that with you. 300\ 00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:41.679\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, thanks very much. It is… it is tricky, getting people's buy-in if they're renters, landlords. 301\ 00:41:49.990 --> 00:41:55.950\ Rachel Blackmore: Rosen again, Jules, anybody else want to come in in the… in that space? Thanks for that, David. It's… 302\ 00:41:56.600 --> 00:41:59.169\ Rachel Blackmore: And let's flick to page 2. 303\ 00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:08.110\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: To catch up and see. 304\ 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:09.259\ Rachel Blackmore: Got your back. 305\ 00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:20.340\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: You have. It's ironic, I can hear you perfectly, Rachel, but obviously loses my connection. Yeah, just… I was… I was just saying that, yeah, I mean, I admire your… 306\ 00:42:20.740 --> 00:42:23.660\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Mmm… your… 307\ 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:39.829\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: ambition, Kirsty, to do it… do it all, but the sheer cost and, most importantly, capacity of that is… it will be quite a trick, I think. So, perhaps we start… perhaps we should just start somewhere and look at the street. We've got, in our parish, we've got 580…. 308\ 00:42:44.160 --> 00:42:52.650\ Rachel Blackmore: again… jewels, but I think it's 580 homes you've got in your parish in Suffolk, so… 309\ 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.599\ Rachel Blackmore: Not sure where you've got two of those. 310\ 00:43:02.380 --> 00:43:06.189\ Rachel Blackmore: Anybody else been involved in retrofits in their area? 311\ 00:43:07.630 --> 00:43:09.430\ Kirsty Shanahan: Oh, he's back. 312\ 00:43:09.430 --> 00:43:12.880\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, okay. Well, apologies to everyone for the poor internet. 313\ 00:43:13.020 --> 00:43:21.069\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, but yeah, so we've got 84% that are band D or below, so if we do 3 a month, which is an awful lot of work. 314\ 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:41.290\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: It will take us 13 years. So, you know, let's make a plan of how we do this over a period of time, because some of the, challenges are down to capacity in terms of trusted tradespeople and materials, so we could perhaps start… start somewhere. I'm just going to quickly share my screen. There's a lovely 2-minute clip from Retrofit Reimagined. 315\ 00:43:41.350 --> 00:43:43.279\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: That I presented at. 316\ 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:53.739\ Kirsty Shanahan: Jules, can I… sorry, before you do that, I think on that question of how long it takes to do, I think that to draw the analogy from your TED talk at the beginning. 317\ 00:43:54.410 --> 00:44:01.679\ Kirsty Shanahan: Were any of the people that were after the first follower, was anybody actually carrying those people onto the field to do the dancing? 318\ 00:44:01.910 --> 00:44:06.390\ Kirsty Shanahan: Or were they motivated to have their own agency and to do the stuff? 319\ 00:44:06.630 --> 00:44:19.110\ Kirsty Shanahan: Because I think sometimes we get absolutely paralyzed by this idea that we have to pay for people to have retrofit, but we don't pay for them to have new bathrooms, or new boilers, or sort out their double glazing, or fix their roof. 320\ 00:44:19.430 --> 00:44:27.510\ Kirsty Shanahan: So at some point, you just have to make it normalized that they will have an energy-efficient home, and that it's the sensible thing to do. So I think that's all I would add on that, is…. 321\ 00:44:27.510 --> 00:44:35.620\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's really fatal to start talking about grants, because then people think, oh, someone else will sort it out for me, but the whole point of your community climate action is. 322\ 00:44:35.650 --> 00:44:38.069\ Kirsty Shanahan: That everybody can do a little bit, isn't it? 323\ 00:44:40.810 --> 00:44:42.679\ Kirsty Shanahan: And he's gone again! 324\ 00:44:42.680 --> 00:44:56.170\ Rachel Blackmore: Thank you, Kirsty, yeah. So that will be great, won't it? Hopefully, we've all got a lot of contacts within our, communities that will be out… so there's our slot now, but there'll be more coming on board as we get started. 325\ 00:44:58.120 --> 00:45:00.380\ Rachel Blackmore: We can't hear you, Jules. 326\ 00:45:00.380 --> 00:45:05.570\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, great. Thanks, Kirsty. Yeah, really, I was talking about capacity in terms of tradesmen. 327\ 00:45:05.750 --> 00:45:17.560\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: If there's 1,000, 1,500 homes in, Western Turville, physically, how long would it take if you… say you were doing… say there were 150, 328\ 00:45:17.740 --> 00:45:21.009\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: heat pump installations… 329\ 00:45:21.240 --> 00:45:28.289\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Every month, it would take a year, you know, that kind of thing. So really, it's about making a plan over time. 330\ 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:46.190\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Because there probably isn't capacity in the local area in terms of tradesmen, in terms of installation. I wasn't really talking about the funding. But it's just… so it's starting, you know, it's having a plan for how long it will take to get from A to B. I… I see some hands up, so I'm going to go to, Michelle, and then David. 331\ 00:45:46.670 --> 00:46:11.359\ Michelle Parker: I just want to follow on from what Kirsty said, really, is that if you… if you start quoting, it's going to cost you £30,000 to £60,000 to retrofit your home, you are automatically then going to be like, oh, I don't… you just… you shut down and you don't really want to get involved at all. I think you should start on saying how much little bits cost, rather than going into this full 332\ 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:18.349\ Michelle Parker: this is how much it's gonna cost. And then it is… I just believe that exactly what Kirsty said, is that it starts then becoming 333\ 00:46:18.350 --> 00:46:26.310\ Michelle Parker: your individual homeowner's, like, responsibility. So I just wanted to support what Kirsty said, really, in terms of that messaging. 334\ 00:46:27.220 --> 00:46:34.099\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure, yeah, the £30,000 figure is the average cost, as stated by the government. 335\ 00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:53.590\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, I'm just quoting an average cost. When we're thinking about planning, it's really helpful to know what it would take, so… and in Suffolk, we've got interest-free loans for up to £15,000. Nationwide, we're offering a mortgage. 336\ 00:46:53.650 --> 00:47:12.399\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Interest-free as well, for up to £15,000. So that's… that's an average cost for all of it, and that isn't necessarily what I would quote to someone, straight on the doorstep to try and convince them to do it. And like I say, it's small steps. So, over to David. 337\ 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:22.349\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Just a few places You might check to get a bit more information. 338\ 00:47:22.610 --> 00:47:25.100\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): To the southwest of you. 339\ 00:47:26.790 --> 00:47:31.680\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): In Oxfordshire, There are local, low-carbon groups. 340\ 00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:36.619\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Who do things like arrange volunteers to do draft busting. 341\ 00:47:36.730 --> 00:47:42.800\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): So, not big installations, just sealing up drafts done by volunteers. 342\ 00:47:43.290 --> 00:47:50.680\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): In Rose Hill, they even have a supply of insulation materials at the power, which you can get. 343\ 00:47:51.150 --> 00:47:59.090\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): And then, there's… organization, Cozy Homes Oxfordshire, where you can actually find out 344\ 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:03.640\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): How to insulate, and how to best improve your house, and they've… 345\ 00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:12.180\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): And they've even got to the point where you can pay them to do an assessment, and they vet all the tradesmen. 346\ 00:48:12.640 --> 00:48:16.469\ David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Of which there are a lot in Oxford and Milton Keynes. 347\ 00:48:20.370 --> 00:48:23.630\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thanks, David. Yeah, I'm sure, … 348\ 00:48:23.640 --> 00:48:40.979\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm sure Kirsty is pretty au fait with much of the possibilities for draft excluding, and you've been working on the UK Power Networks Powering Down scheme, offering home energy efficiency advice, I think, with a load of energy champions. So thanks, David, for building on that. 349\ 00:48:41.660 --> 00:48:46.049\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So there's a short film, from… 350\ 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:56.339\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Retrofit Reimagined, which… oh, sure. It's a 2-minute clip, for Retrofit Reimagined, so, bear with me a moment while I share my screen. 351\ 00:49:09.540 --> 00:49:20.810\ Rachel Blackmore: Huge amount of money that came from the government, green grants, and it was all about retrofit, improving the material quality of our homes. There was no uptake. 352\ 00:49:20.810 --> 00:49:45.190\ Rachel Blackmore: The money went back to central government, because nobody wants safer, warmer, cheaper-to-run homes that are better for your health, that are better for your children, or neighbourhoods with cleaner air and better transport, more biodiverse and green front gardens. But I was like, this doesn't make any flippin' sense. What do you mean that there's no uptake? We started to realize, okay, there's many reasons to that low uptake. Different entanglements from across finance. 353\ 00:49:45.190 --> 00:50:03.760\ Rachel Blackmore: from across governance, from across all of these different layers, surely, if all the incredible community and neighbourhood organising on the ground are doing amazing work, if they were activated in this story, and they saw retrofit as a key part and site of imagination and possibility, surely would be in a different place. 354\ 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:26.659\ Rachel Blackmore: What if the retrofit of our homes, communities, neighbourhoods, streets were led, governed, owned, designed, not by some government scheme, but were led by the community that live here? What if? There's a cultural shift going on within architecture, construction, and community groups now. They're not looking for that architect to build a pinnacle, you know. 355\ 00:50:26.660 --> 00:50:32.789\ Rachel Blackmore: you know, some glassy box in the middle of the city center. They're looking for their homes to be saved, they're looking for their bills to go down. 356\ 00:50:32.790 --> 00:50:43.550\ Rachel Blackmore: We see housing as more of an asset or an accumulation of wealth than the necessity that it is. We don't see it as important as the need for food and water, when Maslow's hierarchy of needs states that basic shelter… 357\ 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.869\ Rachel Blackmore: Was that the end of the clip, Jules? We're frozen. 358\ 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.420\ Sean McCarthy: I think he's frozen. 359\ 00:51:06.310 --> 00:51:08.109\ Rachel Blackmore: And you're frozen, yeah. 360\ 00:51:08.500 --> 00:51:11.980\ Rachel Blackmore: That was pretty much it, wasn't it, Jules? It was a very short…. 361\ 00:51:12.430 --> 00:51:18.969\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, that's right. Sorry, sorry if it paused a moment there. I stopped sharing and everybody disappeared, and I didn't know if you could hear me, so… 362\ 00:51:19.700 --> 00:51:39.289\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So there's a little bit on retrofitting. So what we're hoping to do is, is garner some energy and enthusiasm, and build… you'll learn more about the work that you might be doing already, Kirsty, looking at particular places. David mentioned Parish Online, and I wonder if that's a tool that you're familiar with. 363\ 00:51:39.780 --> 00:51:46.160\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I've got… I've got it online, so again, I'll just share… share my screen. 364\ 00:51:50.120 --> 00:51:57.100\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So again, Sean, when it comes to, sort of, geospatial mapping, this is a really handy tool. It's called Parish Online. 365\ 00:51:57.380 --> 00:52:09.729\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Has a relatively small subscription cost, for a town or parish council, and if a parish subscribes, then it's made available for any green groups, in the area. 366\ 00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:18.879\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And there's a 3-month free trial at the moment as well, so I use it in my parish, but what we're looking at here is actually Western Turville. 367\ 00:52:19.050 --> 00:52:28.069\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So you could actually plan, again, your… where you get the biggest bang for your buck for your EPC inter… intervention for. 368\ 00:52:28.330 --> 00:52:32.719\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And pleased to see quite a lot of EPCs up, sort of amber or green. 369\ 00:52:32.850 --> 00:52:37.810\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: But there are… there are some reds and… reds and oranges dotted about, so… 370\ 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:42.840\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I don't know if you can see the particular neighbourhood on there, Rachel, that you were thinking? 371\ 00:52:43.830 --> 00:52:45.050\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, you're on mute. 372\ 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:53.520\ Rachel Blackmore: Yes, it's, it's just off of the top right, just, I'm just, just trying to get my… 373\ 00:52:53.530 --> 00:53:12.710\ Rachel Blackmore: Bearing Zone Manor Farm, that's Main Street, isn't it? Yep, so it's, that circular one that you can see at the top there. You can see a little circle, which is a circle of bungalows in the middle. So it's, probably 60s… was originally a 60s, council estate, of, yeah, nice big homes that, 374\ 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.249\ Rachel Blackmore: And now a mixture of owner-occupied and social. 375\ 00:53:21.430 --> 00:53:26.440\ Rachel Blackmore: But I haven't put that to anyone else yet, you know, so it's something to be discussed at the planning. 376\ 00:53:26.510 --> 00:53:27.000\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure. 377\ 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.300\ Kirsty Shanahan: What does the… what is the amber, then, Jules? 378\ 00:53:31.940 --> 00:53:38.490\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Amber is an E, a yellow is a D, and a green is a C+. 379\ 00:53:39.680 --> 00:53:42.120\ Kirsty Shanahan: Wow, so the students are great. 380\ 00:53:42.740 --> 00:53:52.929\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Most… most new builds are C+, so C, C-plus is pretty good, but yeah, really where you want to target your activity is D and below, so yeah. 381\ 00:53:56.390 --> 00:54:01.840\ Kirsty Shanahan: I'd say a lot of those C's in the middle there, Rachel, are social housing, and they've been done through the grants. 382\ 00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:07.260\ Rachel Blackmore: They have, yes. Their fair hive has been, insulating. 383\ 00:54:07.490 --> 00:54:23.549\ Rachel Blackmore: So if they're already insulated, they might be ready for… they haven't got air source or ground source heat pumps, so, yeah, one of our parish councillors lives in… in one of them with, which has been insulated really well, but so would be… 384\ 00:54:24.580 --> 00:54:26.609\ Rachel Blackmore: Air source heat pump ready, hopefully. 385\ 00:54:26.610 --> 00:54:40.140\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And of course, and of course, when you're considering a conurbation like this, you could always look at district heating that they've delivered, very effectively, in Swap and Prior and Cambridgeshire. 386\ 00:54:40.300 --> 00:54:41.890\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: David. 387\ 00:54:42.340 --> 00:54:43.419\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: You've got your hand up. 388\ 00:54:44.070 --> 00:54:49.469\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Jules, yeah, just for info, I speak to Tristan Carey, who is, 389\ 00:54:49.560 --> 00:55:04.500\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I think the chair of… I can't remember, I don't quite know what his relationship, but he's fairly significant in Paris Online on a weekly basis. I've asked him if they would be able to produce, the ability to produce spreadsheets 390\ 00:55:04.830 --> 00:55:06.470\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: from that data. 391\ 00:55:06.620 --> 00:55:11.310\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So that we can put a filter in to exclude all the C's. 392\ 00:55:11.430 --> 00:55:22.300\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and above, and then give us a printout of all the lists of all the houses by street, postcodes that are, D and below. 393\ 00:55:23.300 --> 00:55:24.060\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great. 394\ 00:55:24.060 --> 00:55:27.109\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So they're working on that at the moment, I think. 395\ 00:55:27.110 --> 00:55:31.419\ Kirsty Shanahan: David, I think that is already available via the, government's… 396\ 00:55:31.710 --> 00:55:45.640\ Kirsty Shanahan: data portal for EPCs. I'll find out what it is, but definitely, I work for Community Energy Pathways, and Tim pulled out that exact information for me about some villages in Essex recently. 397\ 00:55:45.890 --> 00:55:46.470\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah. 398\ 00:55:47.180 --> 00:55:53.139\ Kirsty Shanahan: But I'll ask him which one it is, and whether it's open source, and, like, as in open access data. 399\ 00:55:53.140 --> 00:55:55.449\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: We know that most of the, … 400\ 00:55:55.620 --> 00:56:02.480\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: County councils and the district councils have access to a much more sophisticated system than we do. 401\ 00:56:02.660 --> 00:56:19.380\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Standfast Parish Online. And that does produce the data, but it's gaining access to it, and trying to persuade your, friendly district council officer to produce you a spreadsheet. … 402\ 00:56:19.610 --> 00:56:31.470\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: it's an option. I would prefer if I could control it, because it gives us much more flexibility at parish level. But yeah, no, the data does exist, it's just a question of extracting it. 403\ 00:56:32.810 --> 00:56:44.539\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, it's, open… it's invariably open government data. That's where Parish Online get the data from. I think, David, yes, I regularly speak to Tristram as well, and that would be a really handy feature. 404\ 00:56:44.670 --> 00:56:59.180\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I do know that some open source developers have done a similar thing, and you can just go to a website and download the raw data into a spreadsheet, so you can filter out all the C's and have the addresses, but if it was native in Paris Online, that would certainly be… certainly be helpful. 405\ 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:09.140\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: The other thing that they're trying to do, which goes on to, energy generation, is working with, a team 406\ 00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:13.970\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: To produce an analysis of all roofs. 407\ 00:57:14.250 --> 00:57:22.709\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: In order to identify those that are capable of, holding or having solar panels being put on them. 408\ 00:57:22.710 --> 00:57:23.220\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hmm. 409\ 00:57:23.220 --> 00:57:28.979\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And the total amount of, kilowattage, if everybody, 410\ 00:57:29.040 --> 00:57:44.000\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Accepted, solar panels on their roofs and the battery storage systems, that could be generated by a community, if there was a community push to have this capability, put on. 411\ 00:57:44.040 --> 00:57:57.109\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Which, for me is very… is extremely helpful. And also, the ability to look at ground-mounted systems where that is possible. 412\ 00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.719\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: In order to make up the deficit, where 413\ 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:16.529\ David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Houses can't have it, for whatever technical or, sort of, tree reason, to actually make up the difference in terms of total kilowattage required for that particular community. 414\ 00:58:17.410 --> 00:58:27.760\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, absolutely. I think center for Sustainable Energy have got a similar, very elegant tool for solar potential, where there's LiDAR data available from Ordnance Survey. 415\ 00:58:28.190 --> 00:58:42.950\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And yes, it would be fab if we could have that kind of functionality all in one place. So, definitely, those are the kind of conversations we're having in our development team at the Great Collaboration and with Tristram. So, hopefully we'll see that coming soon. 416\ 00:58:42.950 --> 00:58:56.500\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So we can look at the solar potential for a street, for instance. Kirsty's just put a link in the chat to… I think it's the same open source tool that I've used previously, where you can download EPCs, so that's really, really helpful. Thanks, Kirsty. 417\ 00:58:57.630 --> 00:59:01.929\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: … And is anyone familiar with Power Station? 418\ 00:59:06.340 --> 00:59:10.920\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, I'm going to show you another, very short film. Again, it's only 2 minutes. 419\ 00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:19.000\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it's looking at how we collectively come together as streets. And again, street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, town by town. 420\ 00:59:19.450 --> 00:59:36.219\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Both for retrofitting, and then we can perhaps move on in the last 5 or 10 minutes, we can talk a little bit about community renewable energy, and, fabulous that we've got Kirsty here, so she'll be able to give us a bit of an update, and how Buck's Community Energy is going. 421\ 00:59:36.390 --> 00:59:49.560\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, the power station is a couple, Daniel and his partner, who have decided to do a street-by-street project in… starting in Walthamstow in London. 422\ 01:00:03.050 --> 01:00:11.369\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I have a lot of tea, to be honest with you. I have 20 cups minimum a day. Really? Yeah. 20 cups of tea? Minimum. That's minimum. 423\ 01:00:12.570 --> 01:00:17.480\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: What we're trying to do is to raise the money to buy solar panels for every house on the street. 424\ 01:00:17.850 --> 01:00:18.530\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Right. 425\ 01:00:19.630 --> 01:00:26.010\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Can you make a film just on one street and make it interesting? Well, you could definitely make a film on one street. 426\ 01:00:27.860 --> 01:00:31.760\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Can't they find a grown-up to run the country? 427\ 01:00:32.870 --> 01:00:34.370\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Dear God. 428\ 01:00:34.820 --> 01:00:44.520\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Are you really worried that it could be the end of the world? It could be, it could be. Climate change is, like, a huge thing. People don't do enough about it. They think about it, they say, oh, this and that, but…. 429\ 01:00:50.990 --> 01:00:53.399\ Rachel Blackmore: Frozen again, or frustrating. 430\ 01:01:07.720 --> 01:01:19.160\ Rachel Blackmore: You, because of the money, are kind of trying to put the brakes on. The point was, we wanted to do the whole street, but yeah, financially, you know, we've got a bigger challenge ahead. We can do this? Yeah. 431\ 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:26.850\ Rachel Blackmore: I have of late, but wherefore I know not lost all my mirth. Man delights not me, no. 432\ 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.030\ Rachel Blackmore: No woman, neither. 433\ 01:01:29.210 --> 01:01:40.039\ Rachel Blackmore: No woman, neither. Alright, all coming in, the camera's down there! I think we can sell a million pounds, maybe not just from here, literally. Have to explode out from here. 434\ 01:01:40.890 --> 01:01:59.299\ Rachel Blackmore: Power means everything, my dear, doesn't it? Power means everything. Who knows? Everybody in Waltham Forest, everyone in the UK might end up with solar panels, it would be so amazing. It's not just about physical infrastructure, it's about the infrastructure of what we think is possible, the imagination, really. 435\ 01:02:10.530 --> 01:02:16.859\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So there we go, that was, Daniel and his partner on his roof, doing a bit of a stunt to raise some money by a crowdfunder. 436\ 01:02:16.980 --> 01:02:25.410\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: But also bringing a community together in Walthamstow in London, and looking how they can collectively install solar panels for a street. 437\ 01:02:25.640 --> 01:02:34.609\ Kirsty Shanahan: Do you know how… what happened with that project? Because that was in about 2022. Do you know whether they actually managed it, or what happened after that? 438\ 01:02:34.610 --> 01:02:41.320\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's still ongoing, they've just released their film, so, perhaps you can organise a film screening about it. 439\ 01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:42.880\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: But…. 440\ 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:46.450\ Kirsty Shanahan: Yeah, but did they actually achieve what they set out to do, or…? 441\ 01:02:46.450 --> 01:02:52.900\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I… I don't think they have yet, but as you know, these things take time, so it's an ongoing… an ongoing project. 442\ 01:02:53.540 --> 01:02:54.780\ Kirsty Shanahan: Would be… yeah. 443\ 01:02:55.890 --> 01:03:04.990\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So my suggestion was going to be to perhaps organise a screening of these kind of films, gather together as a community. The basis of most of these things is community. 444\ 01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:16.139\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's not necessarily the solar panels, it's not necessarily the technology, but it's, the will. And, you know, Rachel, the little, cul-de-sac that you mentioned might be a good place to start. 445\ 01:03:17.710 --> 01:03:19.100\ Rachel Blackmore: Yep. 446\ 01:03:19.810 --> 01:03:24.290\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, … So, yeah, … 447\ 01:03:27.030 --> 01:03:32.890\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: for, so David's just put in the chat, looks like they did the Einsham area. 448\ 01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:38.260\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And first target reached for the crowdfunder for… … 449\ 01:03:38.740 --> 01:03:53.369\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: for Power Station. They're doing it in a novel way, they're looking to crowdfund to do it. I've, you know, I've talked to Daniel about that, and suggested that a better way might be via community shares, you know, with a clear, clear payback. 450\ 01:03:53.480 --> 01:04:05.680\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: But what's really interesting to me, in terms of what they're doing, is the community spirit that they've engendered, and just going around and having a cup of tea and knocking on the door, with their neighbours. 451\ 01:04:06.220 --> 01:04:16.610\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Part of this process, we'll also be looking at community renewable energy, and the prospects for things like onshore wind, bulk buying for rooftop solar. 452\ 01:04:37.930 --> 01:04:38.610\ Sean McCarthy: Nope. 453\ 01:04:41.460 --> 01:04:43.589\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Happening… happening where you are. 454\ 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:55.949\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, Kirstie, I wonder if you wanted to maybe give us a quick pre-say, a bit of a heads up in terms of how you're getting on with Bucks Community Energy, and how we might be able to support that. 455\ 01:04:57.190 --> 01:05:06.289\ Kirsty Shanahan: Are you talking about solar on schools and things like that, or are you talking about farm solar, or what do you… what did you have in mind? 456\ 01:05:06.460 --> 01:05:23.840\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: any, any or all of the… any or all of the above. Onshore wind is the… probably the best, best bang for your buck, whether or not you've considered a wind turbine. One of our, one of our members at the Great Collaboration, Kurt, Kristin, is, 457\ 01:05:24.560 --> 01:05:34.000\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: parish counselling gambling gate, Kirsten, sorry, parish counselling gambling gate, and they've got a wind turbine that's, been producing lots of. 458\ 01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:37.970\ Sean McCarthy: Electricity. 459\ 01:05:38.780 --> 01:05:51.190\ Kirsty Shanahan: Yeah, fill in the gap. Shall I… I'll just, I'll just fill the gap then. So, unfortunately, Aylesbury Vale's not brilliant for wind. There's, there's a really cool website where you can go and map where 460\ 01:05:51.320 --> 01:06:09.930\ Kirsty Shanahan: places are good for onshore wind. And to be quite honest as well, it's not necessarily a great bang for your buck unless you've got a lot of patience. So… but, I mean, it is once you get it up, but in terms of the, the rigmarole around feasibility, it's much, much more expensive. 461\ 01:06:10.020 --> 01:06:23.480\ Kirsty Shanahan: Also in Buckinghamshire, we've got a ton of field solar going in, so, personally, I wouldn't necessarily want to see community-owned field solar. What I would want to see is shared ownership of those commercial developments. 462\ 01:06:23.500 --> 01:06:32.700\ Kirsty Shanahan: And that… I did actually have a meeting with Callum Anderson, who is the North Bucks MP, about the Rosefield Solar, … 463\ 01:06:33.230 --> 01:06:47.079\ Kirsty Shanahan: project, which is a massive, massive, battery and, solar, installation that they're gonna… it's an NSIP, which is a nationally strategic infrastructure project, so they have to go all the way up to the, the, 464\ 01:06:47.200 --> 01:06:52.949\ Kirsty Shanahan: to the Secretary of State to get permission, and then they have to go for all sorts of other things. 465\ 01:06:53.090 --> 01:07:05.219\ Kirsty Shanahan: But it's near Claydon House, it's on the Claydon estate, and it's, surrounded by other applications, for solar, field solar. So I don't know that Buckinghamshire actually can… 466\ 01:07:05.240 --> 01:07:17.959\ Kirsty Shanahan: tolerate any more field solar. What I'm more interested in is trying to get Bucks Council to do more, to facilitate school solar, which is by far the biggest need for the community, 467\ 01:07:18.150 --> 01:07:34.530\ Kirsty Shanahan: And unfortunately, Jules, I don't know whether you know much about Buckinghamshire Council, but, they are absolutely useless. Oh, hi, Eli, one of my members. Sorry I haven't done Wharf Road yet. But yeah, basically, it's… 468\ 01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:37.000\ Kirsty Shanahan: Been a real uphill struggle. 469\ 01:07:37.080 --> 01:07:47.010\ Kirsty Shanahan: And, the main issue for Buckinghamshire Council is that they have a budget of $1.2 million, or something like that, to carry out their climate action strategy. 470\ 01:07:47.020 --> 01:08:09.689\ Kirsty Shanahan: And they have designated it a capital fund, and so they never invest in officers to actually deliver on the actions, and they never spend that budget. And this has been going on for about 3 or 4 years, and it's never occurred to them that in any given year, when they haven't spent the money, that what they should do is allocate some of it for a person to actually carry it out. It is like giving a child 471\ 01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:18.689\ Kirsty Shanahan: pocket money, and then not providing them with any access to the shops. So, that's really what we're up against, and although 472\ 01:08:19.029 --> 01:08:34.849\ Kirsty Shanahan: it's not so much community action that we need, because I have no doubt whatsoever that once we can unlock some of the technicalities, I have no doubt at all that we'll find investment from the community. Our issue is actually bringing the stakeholders that matter together and getting them to actually 473\ 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.080\ Kirsty Shanahan: Help us achieve what we need to achieve. 474\ 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:40.910\ Kirsty Shanahan: Hello, Jules. You're back. 475\ 01:08:41.420 --> 01:08:42.460\ Rachel Blackmore: Good luck. 476\ 01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:49.800\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I… I pretty much caught all of that right up to the challenge being… bringing stakeholders together. 477\ 01:08:50.180 --> 01:08:58.449\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I feel your pain, and yes, I have an inkling what the county counters are like, and that can be a bit of a blocker. 478\ 01:08:59.010 --> 01:09:04.850\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And yes, we've got a similar challenge in Norfolk and Suffolk with loads of 479\ 01:09:04.910 --> 01:09:14.670\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Solar farms being brought forward by commercial organisations, leaving little capacity with substations and or for community renewable energy, but we're giving it a good shot. 480\ 01:09:14.689 --> 01:09:33.470\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: We're looking at some agri-voltaics, which is solar on stilts, so you can still use, the land for productive horticultural and agricultural production. But perhaps we could talk more about rooftops, and in particular, warehouses is an interesting one that we're, we're finding, some traction with. 481\ 01:09:33.470 --> 01:09:42.920\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So very large, very large-scale roofs. And we're doing… we're looking at some school projects, so look… look forward to comparing notes, moving forward as well, Kirsty. 482\ 01:09:43.439 --> 01:10:03.360\ Kirsty Shanahan: Well, you're lucky, at least you've got Suffolk, it's a very positive… I know you've got the district system and the unitary, and a overall, yeah, but you do… you do have a lot more positivity in your county, but you've also, yeah, you've got lots of solar farms coming forward because, of the connections, queue being unzombified. 483\ 01:10:03.360 --> 01:10:19.999\ Kirsty Shanahan: So there's lots of other stuff going on as well, and … the other thing that we should be doing as a county, and maybe even at parish, I think at parish level, is local area energy planning, because we've got a massive housing allocation potentially coming our way, so that's what we call spatial planning. 484\ 01:10:20.030 --> 01:10:35.909\ Kirsty Shanahan: But they don't take into account in the energy planning, the planning officers don't really read the utility statements. I won't bore everyone with the detail, but suffice to say that, what parish councils can start doing is, when you get a planning application in for a housing estate of 485\ 01:10:35.980 --> 01:10:47.709\ Kirsty Shanahan: 10, 20 more houses, is look closely at the utility statements, because a lot of the time, they're not, giving enough demand to the houses, and they're not asking enough of the DNO in terms of the connection requirement. 486\ 01:10:47.830 --> 01:11:00.160\ Kirsty Shanahan: And I think that's going to come home to roost. But it also means that residents might find themselves unable to connect to the grid at some point, because if all the capacity is taken up by new houses. 487\ 01:11:00.290 --> 01:11:14.160\ Kirsty Shanahan: you know, then that might cause an issue. And that's where the energy planning comes in as well. You need to look at a community and say, is it decarbonizing fast? Is… is it going to be an issue for this housing to get onto the server… onto the grid without 488\ 01:11:14.310 --> 01:11:19.920\ Kirsty Shanahan: Reinforcement. I could literally bore you about this for about 4 hours, so I'll stop there. 489\ 01:11:20.690 --> 01:11:23.639\ Kirsty Shanahan: We've, we've got, we've got time another time. 490\ 01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:25.669\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, I liked it. 491\ 01:11:25.670 --> 01:11:28.259\ Kirsty Shanahan: Honestly, you will glaze over at some point. 492\ 01:11:28.260 --> 01:11:31.869\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: No, I'd love to goop, I'd love to geek out and all that stuff. 493\ 01:11:32.440 --> 01:11:40.620\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'd love to geek out with all that stuff. Rachel, you mentioned a new development with Taylor Wimpy, I think, and it's a really important thing with this amount of new homes. 494\ 01:11:40.730 --> 01:11:57.539\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, that we do ask the developers, where is the energy coming from? And, you know, many of them are fitted… are built with air source heat pumps, but without any solar, which is crazy, because they just make them very expensive for the homeowners. So that's a, you know, it's a conversation we can have now, so… 495\ 01:12:00.740 --> 01:12:13.920\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great, so that's… we're at 8 o'clock, so probably gonna keep to time, and look forward to seeing you all at the next Zoom, which will probably have more of a focus on food. 496\ 01:12:14.440 --> 01:12:16.830\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And also perhaps transport. 497\ 01:12:17.090 --> 01:12:20.669\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Is a tough nut to crack, so we can start thinking about that. 498\ 01:12:21.050 --> 01:12:25.150\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Any other parting comments before we… before we wind up? 499\ 01:12:25.450 --> 01:12:44.840\ Kirsty Shanahan: I was just, so I'm in Stoke Mandeville. We're a bit behind on the whole climate action thing, and I was really looking for some inspiration around our allotments, because, it occurred to me last night, actually, that we could probably be doing more as a parish council. We've got money that we could put into our allotments to make them 500\ 01:12:44.940 --> 01:13:00.119\ Kirsty Shanahan: nicer for our holders, but maybe more productive in some way. So I was just, if, you know, maybe next time, people who have done good allotments, what does good look like for an allotment? And maybe that fits in with your food theme, I'd be quite interested in understanding a bit more about that. 501\ 01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:09.989\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great, okay, cool. Two things, then, for those that might have an extra couple of minutes. The allotment… an allotment is an award or gift of something. 502\ 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.179\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it was the outcome of a 20… 503\ 01:13:13.450 --> 01:13:19.860\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: 28-year political campaign from 1880 to 1908 that culminated in the Small Holdings and Allotments Act. 504\ 01:13:20.310 --> 01:13:33.520\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which meant… which means that we're all entitled to an allotment, so don't let anyone tell you we're not. I'd love to talk about allotments, I can… I can probably bore you with those as well. And also, just, I would like to take a moment just to introduce Linda. 505\ 01:13:33.550 --> 01:13:41.579\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: ASPE, and ask if you could perhaps just give us a quick overview of your work and how you might be able to support 506\ 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:51.399\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: our groups in Wendover and villages with the mental health aspect. It came up on our last call in terms of climate cafes and how we can hold one another in this process. 507\ 01:13:51.950 --> 01:14:09.430\ Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: Yeah, thank you, hello. Really interesting meeting as well, thanks. Thanks for inviting me. Yeah, at the Climate Psychology Alliance, we run and we also run training in Climate Cafe listening circles, and they're very specifically aimed at places that aren't action-focused, they're really feelings-focused. 508\ 01:14:09.430 --> 01:14:18.730\ Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: And it gives people the chance to regroup, and connect, and to talk about how they're feeling with other people who don't say, oh, never mind, it's going to be fine. 509\ 01:14:18.730 --> 01:14:35.270\ Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: And it's… they're actually quite a lovely process to go through, to be in, because, through that, people begin to feel less alone, and particularly young people can be quite affected by what's going on. So we offer young… we have a youth, team as well that looks after youth spaces. 510\ 01:14:35.270 --> 01:14:53.190\ Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: We also do talks in organizations on climate psychology, on how to, it's really much more about how to work with the feelings we've got, and use them to good effect and to build resilience. So we do those kind of things. So, you can look us up at the Climate Psychology Alliance. 511\ 01:14:53.190 --> 01:14:57.910\ Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: I'm also a facilitator of assemblies, I've just taken part in House of the People. 512\ 01:14:57.910 --> 01:15:13.610\ Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: Where we, did a citizen's assembly for 100 people. So, anything like that, I'm very happy to pitch in. I used to live in Aylesbury, well, in Lower Hartwell, but I had to sell my house to HS2, so I'm not a fan of HS2. Well, thank you. 513\ 01:15:13.610 --> 01:15:33.579\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thanks very much for the brief introduction, Linda. We look forward to having your support as we go through this process and start to, you know, really encourage that kind of active listening. As we broaden our audience, it can be quite a heavy load to carry when it dawns on us quite where we are with the climate. 514\ 01:15:34.090 --> 01:15:39.580\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So it's really, really helpful to feel… to not feel alone and to have someone to listen, so thank you. 515\ 01:15:39.790 --> 01:15:54.759\ Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: And I should just add, if I might, I'm doing another session for banter in October, and I'm going to do a session on Climate Cafe Listening Circles. I'll explain what they are and how they work, and why they work, and we'll have a little chance to have a mini experience of one. 516\ 01:15:55.400 --> 01:16:00.549\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic. And, having lived in Aylesbury, you know the local area, which is brilliant. 517\ 01:16:00.930 --> 01:16:12.249\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great, okay. Well, thanks so much, everybody. You'll get a reminder for the next, preparatory Zoom, which, we can geek out about allotments and food growing, courtesy. 518\ 01:16:12.350 --> 01:16:19.580\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Amongst other things. And we can consider active travel, walking and cycling. I think there's some aspirations to maybe, again. 519\ 01:16:19.700 --> 01:16:25.469\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Have some, safer cycling and walking between the parishes, so…. 520\ 01:16:25.470 --> 01:16:27.620\ Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: Really looking forward to that. 521\ 01:16:27.670 --> 01:16:33.830\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, great news, we've got nearly 50 people booked on for the actual in-person workshop. 522\ 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:43.150\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, well done. You know, give yourself a round of applause, and I'm really looking forward to meeting you all, those that I haven't met before in person. 523\ 01:16:43.930 --> 01:16:55.650\ Rachel Blackmore: Great, and can I just say, thank you to Fiona for running Climate Cafes in Chesham, along those lines, Linda. You've been partnering, haven't you, Fiona? And it's been very wonderful. 524\ 01:16:58.450 --> 01:16:59.140\ Sean McCarthy: Thank you. 525\ 01:16:59.410 --> 01:17:00.279\ Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thanks. Bye. 526\ 01:17:01.650 --> 01:17:03.569\ Kirsty Shanahan: Bye! Thanks a lot. 527\ 01:17:03.990 --> 01:17:04.820\ Rachel Blackmore: Thank you, everybody. 528\ 01:17:06.350 --> 01:17:07.309\ Rachel Blackmore: this time. 529\ 01:17:08.980 --> 01:17:09.980\ Fiona Harding: Bye! 530\ 01:17:10.740 --> 01:17:11.820\ Fiona Harding: Bye. 531\ 01:17:15.050 --> 01:17:16.539\ Alan Thawley - Haddenham: Thanks a lot, bye! 532\ 01:17:16.540 --> 01:17:18.300\ Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Alan, bye. 533\ 01:17:24.820 --> 01:17:34.870\ Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Murray. Murray's, Wendover HS2 mitigation dual, so fantastic that he was able to join us tonight, along with, 534\ 01:17:35.810 --> 01:17:45.919\ Rachel Blackmore: Somebody else, long, long gap, while I remember his name. Andy Band was on the last one. Thank you, thank you. And did he talk with you afterwards, Murray? 535\ 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:51.720\ Murray Cooke: … yes, and we're doing some stuff with Martin Baxter. 536\ 01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:55.409\ Rachel Blackmore: Oh, great! Great. Who was on tonight? 537\ 01:17:55.410 --> 01:18:06.100\ Murray Cooke: Yes, so we… HS2 is now getting to the stage where they are, trying to build the project plan again. 538\ 01:18:07.170 --> 01:18:07.570\ Rachel Blackmore: yet. 539\ 01:18:07.570 --> 01:18:18.890\ Murray Cooke: This is Mark Wilde's, challenge, because when he took over as CEO, he discovered that EKFB had only got 55% of their design documentation in place. 540\ 01:18:19.530 --> 01:18:27.960\ Murray Cooke: And so, he's committed to the Secretary of State to come back with a plan, a costed plan that's deliverable. 541\ 01:18:28.160 --> 01:18:38.169\ Murray Cooke: And the problem is that EKFB have to work out what the heck it is they're actually going to build, how much it's going to cost, and how long it's going to take. And they need to do that by the end of November. 542\ 01:18:38.270 --> 01:18:56.269\ Murray Cooke: So, the sort of stuff that we got last week, was an interesting meeting with EKFB, with the parish council, where they felt they needed to look at their land restoration projects for Ellisbury Road and Backham Lane. 543\ 01:18:56.270 --> 01:19:00.339\ Murray Cooke: Because the parish council, is responsible for the street lighting. 544\ 01:19:01.540 --> 01:19:10.220\ Murray Cooke: And so they had to speak to the parish council. We saw the landscaping plan for Ellersboro Road and came up with 8 issues. 545\ 01:19:11.510 --> 01:19:12.100\ Rachel Blackmore: Yeah. 546\ 01:19:12.100 --> 01:19:21.959\ Murray Cooke: And it's all sorts of things, like, you know, why are they building roads where they are? What are they doing with the rights of way? Don't they not understand, … 547\ 01:19:22.500 --> 01:19:42.250\ Murray Cooke: you know, how people are actually using the rights of way locally. You know, there was a great link between, effectively, the Wendover Station Railway Bridge and Wellwick, where somebody had drawn a straight line on a map, not understanding that somebody's put a green tunnel in the way, and it was going to be a big slope up the side. This sort of 548\ 01:19:42.930 --> 01:19:48.149\ Murray Cooke: Also the Bucks Greenway project, do you know about Bucks Greenway? 549\ 01:19:48.150 --> 01:19:49.010\ Rachel Blackmore: Yes. 550\ 01:19:49.010 --> 01:19:55.129\ Murray Cooke: Where they've got an idea about the track along the top of the green tunnel. 551\ 01:19:55.460 --> 01:19:56.110\ Rachel Blackmore: Which…. 552\ 01:19:56.110 --> 01:20:10.880\ Murray Cooke: good. Then, at the moment, they don't have any connection between there and Ellersboro Road, and they showed us the landscaping plan between Ellersboro Road and Backham Lane, and there's nothing there. And then they've got a re… 553\ 01:20:11.080 --> 01:20:27.249\ Murray Cooke: organized right-of-way that goes from Backham Lane past Grove Farm to the roundabout at the bottom of the bypass, and we've been leaning on them today about the bit of cycleway between there and Dunsmore Lane. 554\ 01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:35.599\ Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, that's really key, isn't it? Ruthie was on the meeting tonight, she's, been… yes, talking. 555\ 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:38.849\ Murray Cooke: I mean, she would like to cycle between Wendover and Dunsmore safely. 556\ 01:20:38.850 --> 01:20:39.450\ Rachel Blackmore: Yep. 557\ 01:20:39.450 --> 01:20:57.070\ Murray Cooke: Yeah, and so they're going to dump 3,700 tons of rock down the side of the A413 in September to rebuild the embankment, and they said today, well, yeah, we'll have the A413 sorted by the summer of next year. So we said, why can't you build the cycleway as soon as you get the rock in? 558\ 01:20:57.450 --> 01:20:58.720\ Murray Cooke: And they said, oh. 559\ 01:20:59.430 --> 01:21:10.900\ Murray Cooke: And, I mean, we've got that escalated as far as the HS2 CEO and Greg Smith. So, yeah, I'm not quite sure where we go from there. Maybe we need to do a… 560\ 01:21:11.750 --> 01:21:14.189\ Murray Cooke: Stockade outside checkers. 561\ 01:21:14.530 --> 01:21:15.120\ Rachel Blackmore: Yes. 562\ 01:21:15.120 --> 01:21:16.070\ Murray Cooke: Yeah. 563\ 01:21:16.750 --> 01:21:23.240\ Murray Cooke: It has been done. Absolutely hopeless, isn't it? The lack of communication and planning. Yeah, it's crazy. Right. 564\ 01:21:23.240 --> 01:21:43.120\ Murray Cooke: So, that's where we are. Interesting to hear what's going on. Yeah, we are plotting our own little retrofit here. There's a man coming to survey every room in our house tomorrow, and we're thinking about an air source heat pump and solar panels, and trying to work out 565\ 01:21:43.140 --> 01:21:46.809\ Murray Cooke: what it looks like. It looks like it's gonna take us 11 years to pay it back. 566\ 01:21:48.620 --> 01:21:51.319\ Murray Cooke: Why… why should I do if it's ticking? 567\ 01:21:51.320 --> 01:22:10.790\ Rachel Blackmore: Isn't it? Yeah, we were thinking the same for ours, yeah, we've done part of it, but… but yes, it's not… it's not… it's to do… we're doing it for the future of the planet, aren't we? Not to be… I mean, obviously, it is beneficial as well, because, I'd add value to… I mean, it's not about monies, it's about… we can afford it, it's about just getting the carbon down, isn't it? 568\ 01:22:11.940 --> 01:22:12.850\ Murray Cooke: Right, so…. 569\ 01:22:12.850 --> 01:22:14.279\ Rachel Blackmore: It just has to be done. 570\ 01:22:14.280 --> 01:22:26.900\ Murray Cooke: Yeah, it would be interesting to look at the, the, what's it, Parish Online, maps for Wendover, and, you know, if you did a campaign down Dobbins Lane, where there's people with lots of money, you know. 571\ 01:22:27.050 --> 01:22:28.669\ Murray Cooke: Could you do Dobbins Lane? 572\ 01:22:29.190 --> 01:22:33.099\ Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, yeah, go for the… do the opposite end. 573\ 01:22:33.100 --> 01:22:33.930\ Murray Cooke: Don't know, yeah. 574\ 01:22:33.930 --> 01:22:41.239\ Rachel Blackmore: Grants for low income and loans, yeah, and get people to the other end, yeah. Yeah, sounds a good plan, yeah. 575\ 01:22:41.420 --> 01:22:41.890\ Murray Cooke: Interesting. 576\ 01:22:41.890 --> 01:22:47.659\ Rachel Blackmore: No people in Bedham's Lane. Great. Well, thanks so much, Marie. We'll… can you make the 11th? 577\ 01:22:47.660 --> 01:22:54.529\ Murray Cooke: Don't know. We're due to go on holiday to the States, I think, the next day, so it's all a bit. 578\ 01:22:54.530 --> 01:22:59.490\ Rachel Blackmore: We'll see how you go, but we'll… anyway, you'll be… the projects will be… will be started new. 579\ 01:22:59.490 --> 01:23:01.820\ Murray Cooke: my good lady wife, yes. Excellent. 580\ 01:23:01.820 --> 01:23:07.240\ Rachel Blackmore: Thanks so much, Murray. Bye. Good to meet you. Bye. --- # Agent Instructions: Querying This Documentation If you need additional information that is not directly available in this page, you can query the documentation dynamically by asking a question. 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