Wendover & Villages - 20Aug25- first Online followup

One of several online discussions mentored by Joolz as the build-uo to Climate Action Plan

Meeting Summary:

Quick recap

The meeting focused on climate action planning for Wendover villages, with participants discussing potential projects in biodiversity, retrofitting, and community renewable energy in preparation for an upcoming physical planning event on October 11th. Discussions included biodiversity initiatives across four parishes, retrofit strategies and funding approaches for improving home energy efficiency, and renewable energy options including solar panel installations and grid capacity planning. Participants also explored tools for mapping energy performance ratings, addressed concerns about HS2 construction plans, and planned future discussions on food-related climate initiatives and active travel.

Next steps

Sean, Jane, Rachel, and Joolz: Form an initial group to manage the biodiversity project.
Rachel: Prepare for the in-person workshop with nearly 50 people booked.
Parish Councils: Consider implementing or updating their biodiversity policies if not already in place.
Sean: Connect with Frances and Amanda Barnacote to identify who is already working on biodiversity mapping in the area.
Parish representatives: Explore creating wildlife corridors between the four parishes.
Rachel: Add Jane to the Claw mailing list.
Joolz: Organize the next zoom meeting with a focus on food, allotments, and transport.
Rachel: Discuss the potential retrofit project for the circular area of bungalows with relevant stakeholders.
Western Turville Parish Council: Work with Amanda Barnacote on completing their biodiversity audit.
Halton Parish Council: Resume work on their biodiversity action plan.
David Morgan-Jones: Continue work on roof analysis for solar panel potential.
Paul: Investigate the Resilience Fund for retrofitting the Rugby Club building.
Joolz: Continue discussions with Paul about energy audit and potential Resilience Fund application.
Rachel: Explore retrofitting options for the identified street in Western Turville.
Rachel: Consider organizing a community screening of retrofit and renewable energy films to build community engagement.
Jane: Explore potential collaboration with RAF on biodiversity initiatives.
Parish representatives: Consider inviting RAF personnel/cadets to the Climate Action workshop.
Kirsty: Follow up on exploring options for parish council investment in allotments.
Kirsty: Explore improvements for Stoke Mandeville allotments for the next meeting's food theme discussion.
Kirsty: Follow up on school solar projects with Buckinghamshire Council.
Joolz: Share information about Bio blitzes and the iNaturalist recording software in the chat.
Murray: Continue discussions with HS2 regarding the cycleway between the A413 and Dunsmore Lane.
David Morgan-Jones: Follow up with Tristram Carey about enhancing Parish Online to produce spreadsheets filtering properties by EPC ratings.
Kirsty: Share information about the Government's data portal for EPCs with the group.
Joolz and Kirsty: Compare notes on school solar projects in the future.
Rachel: Engage with Taylor Wimpey regarding energy sources for the new housing development.
Linda Aspey: Conduct a session on climate cafe listening circles for BANTER in October.
Meeting attendees: Put short introductions in the chat.

Summary

Climate Action Network Expansion Meeting

Rachel invites Jane to join the Claw climate action meetings, mentioning that representatives from local parishes are now participating. Sean introduces himself as a retired satellite company employee with a background in ecology and biology, who also works with Wendover news. Joolz explains that this session is part of the Great Collaboration's weekly banter sessions, which typically feature specialist speakers on environmental topics and attract town and parish councillors from around the country.

Wendover Climate Action Planning Initiative

Joolz introduces the meeting for Wendover villages community climate action planning, showing a video about how to start a movement that emphasizes the importance of making movements public and nurturing first followers. He explains that the purpose of these calls is to gather as a team to discuss potential projects in biodiversity, retrofitting, and community renewable energy before their physical planning event on October 11th, which will be followed by nine zoom sessions to develop funding and project plans. Joolz requests that participants introduce themselves in the chat rather than verbally to save time.

Biodiversity Planning Across Parishes

Joolz discusses biodiversity duties for local authorities, and Rachel shares that Weston Turville created a biodiversity plan in 2023 with initiatives like less mowing, more flowers, trees, and bird boxes. Jane explains that Halton Parish Council established their biodiversity policy in 2024 but has limited land except for verges where they've planted wildflowers, while Sean from Wendover expresses interest in supporting biodiversity mapping efforts. The group begins forming a team to work on biodiversity projects across the four parishes, with Rachel also mentioning her interest in retrofitting projects, potentially starting with a street in Weston Turville that includes both social and owner-occupied housing.

Village-Scale Retrofit Strategy Discussion

Rachel and Kirsty discuss retrofit strategies, with Kirsty suggesting focusing on entire villages rather than individual streets to achieve scale. Joolz mentions that retrofits cost around £30,000 on average including renewable energy installation, though Kirsty clarifies that basic decarbonization could cost around £11,000, with simpler measures at £7-8,000. David Morgan-Jones shares his approach of using EPC upgrades to identify homes rated D and below to target for improvements. The group debates whether to focus on securing funding for retrofits or normalizing energy efficiency as a homeowner responsibility, with Kirsty emphasizing that people need to take individual action rather than waiting for grants.

Parish Online EPC Mapping Tool

Joolz introduces Parish Online, a geospatial mapping tool with a small subscription cost for town or parish councils that becomes available to local green groups when a parish subscribes. The tool displays Energy Performance Certificate (EPC) ratings using a color-coded system where amber represents E ratings, yellow represents D ratings, and green represents C+ ratings. David mentions he's working with Parish Online to develop functionality that would allow users to filter properties by EPC rating and generate spreadsheets of addresses with D ratings or below, while Kirsty suggests this data might already be available through the Government's data portal for EPCs.

Solar Energy Community Planning Initiative

David Morgan-Jones discusses a project analyzing roofs to identify those suitable for solar panels and battery storage systems, as well as ground-mounted systems where rooftop installation isn't possible. Joolz shares information about the Power Station project in Walthamstow, London, where a couple is working to install solar panels street by street to build community engagement. Kirsty explains that Buckinghamshire isn't ideal for wind energy and already has numerous commercial solar fields, noting that the main challenge is getting Buckinghamshire Council to facilitate school solar projects despite having an unspent climate action budget of £1.2 million. She also emphasizes the importance of local area energy planning to address future grid capacity issues.

Sustainable Housing and Community Initiatives

Joolz discusses the importance of asking developers about energy sources for new homes, noting that many are built with air source heat pumps but without solar panels, making them expensive for homeowners. Kirsty expresses interest in improving allotments in Stoke Mandeville and requests ideas for the next meeting's food theme. Linda from the Climate Psychology Alliance introduces herself and explains how they run climate cafes and listening circles to help people process their feelings about climate change, particularly focusing on building resilience and reducing isolation. The group plans to discuss allotments, food growing, and active travel at their next preparatory zoom meeting, with nearly 50 people already registered for the in-person workshop.

HS2 Project Plan Reconstruction

Murray reports that HS2 is rebuilding their project plan, with CEO Mark Wild committed to delivering a costed plan by the end of November after discovering EKFB had only 55% of design documentation in place. He discusses several issues with the current plans, including problems with road placement, rights of way, and the Bucks Greenway project, particularly noting concerns about a cycleway between Wendover and Dunsmore that have been escalated to the HS2 CEO and Greg Smith. Murray and Rachel also briefly discuss their personal home retrofit plans for heat pumps and solar panels, noting the long payback period but importance for carbon reduction.

Chat:

00:11:47 Andrew Maliphant: I have to beam back to the kitchen, hope today goes well! 00:18:27 Helen Jones: Intermittent freezing, now ok 00:19:47 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Net Zero Lead for Ewhsot PC (GU10) :-) 00:19:50 David Blackmore: David from Weston Turville - chair of Climate Action Wendover 00:19:53 Rachel Blackmore: Im Rachel from Weston Turville and Wendover Climate groups and Weston Turville parish council 00:19:59 Helen Jones: Martin Baxter & Helen Jones Weston Turville/ Wendover residents 00:20:02 Michelle Parker: Bucks Council Community Board Manager for the East Bucks area which includes Wendover and Villages 00:20:05 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: Hello - Joy from Stoke Mandeville. I’m interested in food and farming and nature based interventions 00:20:18 Murray Cooke: Hi! I’m Murray Cooke from the Wendover HS2 Mitigation Action Group standing in for Andy Band who’s on holiday. Wew 00:20:27 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): David Newman, Blackbird Leys Parish Council, Oxford - observing 00:20:29 Fiona Harding: Hi, from Sustainable Chesham/XR Chesham, hoping to get Chesham involved in projects for CCA 00:20:41 Jenny Barna, Ditchling, Sussex: Https://ditchlingzero.org 00:20:42 Eli Kling [Wendover]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elikling/: Cycling, Greening, Public Greens & Parks, Gardens 00:20:43 Alan Thawley: Alan Thawley, from Haddenham (Parish Council, Zero Carbon Haddenham) - interested in decarbonisation of transport through shared mobility. 00:20:51 Ben B: Ben B: Hi! I’m from Weston Turville Climate Action Group. 00:20:52 Mayuko Wendover: Hi I'm Mayuko, a member of Climate Action Wendover :) 00:20:52 Ashleigh Stent: Hi! I'm Ashleigh Stent, I grew up in Weston Turville and work in Rural Housing and give advise to Community Buildings in Bucks 00:20:53 Murray Cooke: Were interested in Land Restoration after HS2 and the creation of cycle track 00:20:56 Belinda Bawden, Dorset: Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council ward member for Lyme Regis & Charmouth; part of The Great Collaboration with Joolz, Andrew & others. [email protected] 00:21:06 Jane Hall: Hi Jane Hall from West Deben Parish Cluster Martlesham Parish Council Biodiversity Working Group. 00:21:27 Sean McCarthy: Sean McCarthy - Wendover; Collection of environmental geospatial data from various sources. 00:21:43 Jo Naiman: Jo, Wendover resident. interested in emission reduction measures. 00:22:44 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: PC lead on climate and environment, major project to decarbonise village now complete (PV panels & battery installed, oil fired boiler and radiators replaced with heat pumps and aircon units) - now looking for other ideas ! 00:24:12 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: Hello everyone - I'm an exec coach, facilitator and board member of the CPA, and lead on Climate Cafe Listening Circles, CPA talks and trainings. Cotswolds based but used to live near Aylesbury. 00:26:56 Kirsty Shanahan: Kirsty Shanahan, Chair of Stoke Mandeville Parish Council, Trustee of Climate Action Wendover, and Dev Director of Bucks Community Energy. 00:26:57 Michelle Parker: This is useful to take a look at as to what the Bucks Coucil strategy is:

Ecology and biodiversity | Buckinghamshire Council

00:27:58 Pamela Rosling: Hi, Pam from Hazelbury Bryan in rural North Dorset. I’m particularly interested in promoting plant-based diets, biodiversity and nature policies. 00:30:29 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: What about Halton House? it’s been shut and left? i wrote to our local MP to ask if it will come back to the community. I understand the MOD can’t afford its upkeep. 00:30:41 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/the-essex-bioblitz-2024 00:31:08 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://help.inaturalist.org/en/support/solutions/articles/151000194866-bioblitz-guide 00:31:55 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: What would that include? 00:33:17 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: I am logging data when out and about in Stoke Mandeville - specifically insects, trees, birds and wildlife through three different apps. 00:36:23 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): You can map EPC certificates in Parish Online. 00:36:50 Sean McCarthy: Reacted to "You can map EPC cert..." with 👍 00:36:59 Sean McCarthy: Reacted to "I am logging data wh..." with 👍 00:38:46 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Opportunity for citizen scientists sampling local watercourses and adding to UK database of water quality. Next sampling exercise 19/22 Sept, info & sampling kits available from: https://earthwatch.org.uk/ 00:40:41 Sean McCarthy: Reacted to "Opportunity for citi..." with 👍 00:40:44 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Then there is Draft Busters. 00:40:53 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: Professor Joanne Patterson is one of the leading academics researching and running projects on retrofitting she speaks to groups and did an amazing presentation in oxford. She talked about £60,000 per house to completely refit. 00:41:09 Joy O’Neill Stoke Mandeville: She’s based in Cardiff 00:41:40 Michelle Parker: Reacted to "Professor Joanne P..." with 😮 00:41:51 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Lots of information at https://cosyhomesoxfordshire.org/ (different county). 00:43:46 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Also top down analysis example: https://www.lowcarbonhub.org/p/community-groups/green-tea-transition-eynsham-area/ 00:45:41 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: Dorset Council has taken on Solar Together to encourage solar and battery installations. It's a national scheme - Solar Together Dorset - Dorset Council 00:48:27 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Reacted to "Dorset Council has t..." with 👍 00:48:59 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: Dorset Council also commissions Healthy Homes Dorset who offer free advice on retrofitting. They'll apply for the grant funding for eligible households - https://www.healthyhomesdorset.org.uk/ 00:50:39 Pamela Rosling: In case you haven't come across it, 'People Planet Pint' is a good way to find others interested in climate action. Here's the link to join (or form) a local group: https://small99.co.uk/people-planet-pint-meetup/ 00:51:02 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Reacted to "In case you haven't ..." with 👍 00:51:39 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Reacted to "Dorset Council also ..." with 👍 00:53:32 Murray Cooke: Can you show us Wendover? 00:55:24 Ben B: Parish online website says Weston Turville is already subscribed to Parish Online - looks good! 00:55:39 Sean McCarthy: Reacted to "Parish online websit..." with 👍 00:56:11 Alan Thawley - Haddenham: Sorry - I need to drop off the call, but may be back before the end. 00:56:37 Ben B: Reacted to "Parish online websit…" with 👍 00:57:25 Kirsty Shanahan: I think it is this website: https://epc.opendatacommunities.org/ 00:57:47 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: Dorset Climate Action Network has Dorset Greener Homes where people invite others to see their heat pumps, wildflower gardens, insulation measures etc https://www.dorsetcan.org/greener_homes 00:58:21 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: Also Low Carbon Neighbourhoods - https://www.dorsetcan.org/all_projects/low-carbon-neighbourhoods 01:00:44 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Sounds like the community energy plan Low Carbon Hub did for Eynsham area (https://www.lowcarbonhub.org/cap-zero/) 01:03:13 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/power-station first target reached. 01:05:45 Ben B: Octopus helped to install solar panels on 13 homes in the Power Station example using the crowd funding money 01:06:15 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Reacted to "Octopus helped to in..." with 💚 01:07:38 Ben B: School solar sounds good 01:10:50 Rachel Blackmore: Reacted to "Octopus helped to in..." with ❤️ 01:12:35 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Good work all, thanks for your efforts ! 01:13:21 Ben B: Food and Transport would be good next time 01:13:35 Fiona Harding: Reacted to "Food and Transport w..." with 👍 01:13:43 Michelle Parker: Kirsty - Bierton Community Allotment is worth looking at - I will share the ladies name with you. 01:15:21 Kirsty Shanahan: Sounds like the community energy plan Low Carbon Hub did for Eynsham area (https://www.lowcarbonhub.org/cap-zero/) This is an excellent plan and we are looking to plagiarise some of it for the Hazlemere project and also learn from the LCH team as they have loads of experience. 01:15:29 Kirsty Shanahan: Reacted to "Kirsty - Bierton C..." with 👍 01:16:14 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Joolz thank you for the invite; it's great to listen in to issues and problems that effect us all. 👍 01:16:17 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: [email protected] 01:16:28 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: www.climatepsychologyalliance.org 01:16:45 Fiona Harding: Thank you very much Rachel & Joolz 01:17:05 Ruth Malleson: Yes thank you very much to all, really interesting. 01:17:07 Belinda Bawden, Dorset Council, The Great Collaboration: I've completely burnt my supper listening to you! Good luck 💪 01:20:59 JANE MACKINNON: Thanks Rachel good meeting.

Audio Transcript: (for AI search engine)

103 00:11:47.280 --> 00:11:56.400 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And delighted also to be joined by, Linda Aspey, Aspe, who's, joining us from the Climate Psychology Alliance, I think?

104 00:11:56.410 --> 00:12:08.060 Joolz | Community Climate Action: who's gonna give us some help and support on psychology, relationships, and resilience when it comes to dealing with the… some of the mental health impacts of, of climate change.

105 00:12:09.770 --> 00:12:12.840 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I think we're pretty much, pretty much about there.

106 00:12:13.220 --> 00:12:19.039 Joolz | Community Climate Action: … So, I'm gonna kick off with a very short video.

107 00:12:19.750 --> 00:12:21.709 Joolz | Community Climate Action: About how to start a movement.

108 00:12:22.380 --> 00:12:35.439 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And some of you that stayed on a little later on last week, last… last month's call will have seen it, but I actually forgot to play it to everyone, so, it's part of our theory of change at, Community Climate Action.

109 00:12:35.920 --> 00:12:49.010 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which both those from Banter Sessions and, Wendover and Villages will have… will have heard a little bit about, or heard about our theory of change and diffusion of innovation. So, if you bear with me just one moment…

110 00:12:50.290 --> 00:12:53.179 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I will just share my screen.

111 00:13:03.050 --> 00:13:08.980 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There we go. So you should hopefully be able to see the diffusion of innovation bell curve.

112 00:13:09.110 --> 00:13:22.440 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which you might remember from previous Zooms, we're… we're way over on the left at the moment. Everyone in this room is probably in the innovator category, as we kick off and start activity.

113 00:13:22.770 --> 00:13:25.520 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But a really good, …

114 00:13:25.620 --> 00:13:28.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Video on how to start a movement

115 00:13:28.900 --> 00:13:36.480 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Is, by Derek Sivers as a TED talk, how to start a movement in two minutes, because you can't have a million without one.

116 00:13:37.230 --> 00:13:38.820 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, here we go.

117 00:13:58.530 --> 00:14:13.960 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So ladies and gentlemen, at TED, we talk a lot about leadership and how to make a movement. So let's watch a movement happen, start to finish, in under 3 minutes, and dissect some lessons from it. First, of course you know, a leader needs the guts to stand out and be ridiculed.

118 00:14:15.270 --> 00:14:28.319 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But what he's doing is so easy to follow. So here's this first follower with a crucial role. He's going to show everyone else how to follow. Now notice that the leader embraces him as an equal. So now it's not about the leader anymore, it's about them, plural.

119 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:35.809 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Now, there he is calling to his friends. Now, if you notice that the first follower is actually an underestimated form of leadership in itself.

120 00:14:35.810 --> 00:14:38.039 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It takes guts to stand out like that.

121 00:14:38.190 --> 00:14:43.049 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The first follower is what transforms a lone nut into a leader.

122 00:14:48.140 --> 00:14:58.730 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And here comes a second follower. Now it's not a lone nut, it's not two nuts, three is a crowd, and a crowd is news. So a movement must be public. It's important to show not….

123 00:15:07.670 --> 00:15:08.240 Helen Jones: Hmm.

124 00:15:11.030 --> 00:15:13.059 Sean McCarthy: It's not just me that it's frozen on, then.

125 00:15:15.900 --> 00:15:16.979 Rachel Blackmore: Frozen on me, too.

126 00:15:16.980 --> 00:15:18.679 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: Nope, I'm frozen too.

127 00:15:19.100 --> 00:15:19.990 Frances Tipper: person.

128 00:15:23.820 --> 00:15:29.330 Frances Tipper: They won't be ridiculed, but they will be part of the in-crowd if they hurry. So…

129 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:43.189 Frances Tipper: Over the next minute, you'll see all of the, those that prefer to stick with the crowd, because eventually they would be ridiculed for not joining in. And that's how you make a movement. But, let's recap some lessons from this.

130 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:57.190 Helen Jones: So, first, if you are the type, like the shirtless dancing guy, that is standing alone, remember the importance of nurturing your first few followers as equals, so it's clearly about the movement, not you. Okay.

131 00:15:57.190 --> 00:16:05.160 Rachel Blackmore: But we might have missed the real lesson here. The biggest lesson, if you noticed, did you catch it, is that leadership is over-glorified.

132 00:16:05.450 --> 00:16:18.110 Rachel Blackmore: That yes, it was the shirtless guy was first, and he'll get all the credit, but it was really the first follower that transformed the lone nut into a leader. So as we're told that we should all be leaders, that would be really ineffective.

133 00:16:18.180 --> 00:16:33.580 Rachel Blackmore: If you really care about starting a movement, have the courage to follow and show others how to follow. And when you find a lone nut doing something great, have the guts to be the first one to stand up and join in. And what a perfect place to do that, Ted. Thanks.

134 00:16:50.400 --> 00:16:54.469 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, a couple of lessons there. I hope you all enjoyed the video.

135 00:16:54.620 --> 00:17:01.860 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But a couple of lessons. The movement must be public, so here we are. We've got a great bunch of people in this room, and we've got some observers.

136 00:17:01.970 --> 00:17:09.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I would request that perhaps those who are kind of joining from our regular banter session, from the great collaboration.

137 00:17:09.810 --> 00:17:12.559 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Happy for you to contribute.

138 00:17:12.690 --> 00:17:27.789 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But obviously this is a planning session for Wendover and Villages, so if you could perhaps maybe, just put on, change your name, and say where you're from, that would be great, so we can just see who's here. So, a movement must be public.

139 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:29.710 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it's less risky.

140 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:41.980 Rachel Blackmore: Can't hear you, Jules, is it just me?

141 00:17:47.120 --> 00:17:47.840 Fiona Harding: counts here.

142 00:17:47.840 --> 00:17:48.880 Ken Huggins North Dorset Hazelbury Bryan PC: audio tube.

143 00:17:49.190 --> 00:17:50.939 Rachel Blackmore: Oh, we've lost you, Jules.

144 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:57.460 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I don't know if you can hear me.

145 00:17:57.460 --> 00:18:01.400 Sean McCarthy: I think Jules needs a local broadband, movement there.

146 00:18:03.040 --> 00:18:09.009 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Possibly, yeah. I mean, we have had super-fast broadband installed, but it's not super fast.

147 00:18:09.010 --> 00:18:10.209 Sean McCarthy: That's the reason, then.

148 00:18:10.210 --> 00:18:17.019 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, it's supposed to be 600MB, and occasionally I get moments like this, but I hope you… I hope you can hear me okay now, and…

149 00:18:17.750 --> 00:18:31.070 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, good, good. So, I was just saying, a movement must be public, and here we are. Look at this, we've got 30 people on this Zoom call, which is absolutely fantastic. I just mentioned that if those from the banter session could,

150 00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:43.389 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Perhaps just change your name and say where you're from. We'd love you to participate, volunteer if you've got capacity and help, that would be fantastic, but it's a planning session for Wendover villages, so…

151 00:18:43.620 --> 00:18:50.170 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Otherwise, just, you know, watch and, and, see, you know, kind of see what we're up to.

152 00:18:50.570 --> 00:18:53.739 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, on the agenda for today…

153 00:18:54.550 --> 00:19:00.699 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We haven't quite got time, really, for everybody to introduce themselves, which is a real shame.

154 00:19:01.140 --> 00:19:11.739 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Because even at 30 seconds or a minute, that's 15 minutes to half an hour of introductions. So I would request that you all just put a short introduction into the chat.

155 00:19:12.790 --> 00:19:18.110 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That way, we can save it for posterity, and we know who's… we know who's here, and what you do, and what your interest is.

156 00:19:20.170 --> 00:19:30.229 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the agenda today, we've done what makes a movement, just have a… we'll do a quick round of updates, if anyone's got, anything they'd like to share from the previous meeting.

157 00:19:30.510 --> 00:19:35.220 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then we're probably going to talk a little bit about biodiversity, retrofitting.

158 00:19:35.380 --> 00:19:40.030 Joolz | Community Climate Action: and Community Renewable Energy, on this, on this particular call.

159 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:47.419 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the purpose of these calls is to gather us together as a group and as a team.

160 00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:58.909 Joolz | Community Climate Action: to think about what projects we might want to take forward when we meet physically for our Wendover Villages Community Climate Action Planning event, which is on the 11th of October.

161 00:19:59.610 --> 00:20:02.519 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We'll then be doing a series of 9…

162 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.609 Joolz | Community Climate Action: follow-up Zooms, similar to this, where we can look at funding.

163 00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:13.280 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And project plans to actually make our dreams and our… plans are reality.

164 00:20:14.280 --> 00:20:22.419 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, first of all, just to see who might… if anyone has any updates or anything they'd like to share from previous… previous meeting.

165 00:20:48.090 --> 00:20:51.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I hate… I hope you can still hear me, okay?

166 00:20:51.460 --> 00:20:52.080 Rachel Blackmore: Yep.

167 00:20:52.080 --> 00:20:53.550 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, oh, fabulous.

168 00:20:53.660 --> 00:21:02.389 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Cool. So one of… one of the things we've, we've looked… well, we've considered a couple of things. One is, biodiversity.

169 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:07.650 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I've shared a model biodiversity duty with Rachel.

170 00:21:08.190 --> 00:21:17.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And for those on the call from, the Wendover Villages Parish Councils, I wonder if, if you have

171 00:21:17.790 --> 00:21:24.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: an existing biodiversity policy in place, or whether or not you'd consider

172 00:21:24.820 --> 00:21:31.989 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Putting it on the agenda for discussion. So, our respective biodiversity duty is a statutory duty for our…

173 00:21:32.390 --> 00:21:33.140 Joolz | Community Climate Action: …

174 00:21:33.330 --> 00:21:44.379 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For our… for any local authority, including town and parish councils, where we've got to consider by the… our local nature-based recovery systems in any decision

175 00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:45.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That we take.

176 00:21:45.980 --> 00:22:04.929 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In an effort to, both… well, in an effort to improve our biodiversity, but that means measuring it, and then auditing it, which are a couple of the… couple of the tricky bits, and it was top of the list when we did a survey by the SLCC. So, do you want to speak to that moment, Rachel, from Western Terville?

177 00:22:04.930 --> 00:22:23.929 Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, yeah, certainly. So, Western Terrville created our biodiversity plan in 2023, and we updated it in 2024 in line with the model, and it was pretty, pretty much the same, but we put it into the same format, because it was a good way of, of looking at it. So, we've gone ahead, we've been

178 00:22:23.930 --> 00:22:32.730 Rachel Blackmore: Doing, the aims and objectives on it, which are obviously increasing biodiversity, protecting the biodiversity that we've got.

179 00:22:32.760 --> 00:22:39.959 Rachel Blackmore: managing land and property in environment… our own land and… our own land that the parish council have.

180 00:22:40.150 --> 00:22:55.679 Rachel Blackmore: So less mowing of verges. So we've been able to carry all that kind of thing out, less mowing, less chemicals, more flowers, more trees, more bird boxes, hedgehog roots, spaces for bats, etc. We've created a nature reserve.

181 00:22:55.850 --> 00:23:13.050 Rachel Blackmore: With the support of Amanda Barnecote, who, if she's not on the call, might be joining us, and she's been wonderful, and she also supports Wendover. So, it's both the Climate Action Wendover and the Parish Council, and the same in Western Turnville, the Climate Action Group.

182 00:23:13.050 --> 00:23:17.240 Rachel Blackmore: is supported by the parish council, so it's great teamwork.

183 00:23:17.350 --> 00:23:40.879 Rachel Blackmore: And Amanda… Amanda Barnacote is from Chilton, Wild Belt, part of Chilton Society, and, she… it's her job to help local people increase the biodiversity. So, we'll be working with Amanda. So the hard bits, we haven't yet done the, the audit, and, so yes, that's… that'll be big, and we'll be working with Amanda.

184 00:23:40.950 --> 00:23:42.939 Rachel Blackmore: On that, in the future.

185 00:23:43.150 --> 00:23:52.399 Rachel Blackmore: And I've spoken with Jane, who've also done similar things in Halton, but you're on the call, Jane, aren't you? Did you want to…

186 00:23:52.670 --> 00:23:59.489 Rachel Blackmore: report back, or did you want Hugo to say something, or me on your behalf?

187 00:23:59.820 --> 00:24:06.390 JANE MACKINNON: Sorry, sorry, excuse me. Yeah, I don't know if Hugo's on the call, actually. I didn't spot him.

188 00:24:06.390 --> 00:24:07.499 Rachel Blackmore: No, I didn't.

189 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:32.479 JANE MACKINNON: No, okay, yeah, so basically, the same as you, we set up our biodiversity policy in 2024, and, we started to work on our action plan, and then, for some reason, abandoned it, I think, because there's so few of us, and we got busy with other stuff. But, basically what we do is, everything that we think about in the parish when we're managing, we do think about environmental sustainability.

190 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:37.849 JANE MACKINNON: and biodiversity. So, you know, a couple of years ago, we got all of the,

191 00:24:37.850 --> 00:24:58.360 JANE MACKINNON: locals out, and we planted wildflower… Florida flowers in the verges, and I think Amanda Barnacote helped us with that to start off with. So we don't actually have any land of our own to manage, because we're such a small parish. The only thing that we've got are verges, and so we've mowed them less, and we've,

192 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:22.990 JANE MACKINNON: planted wildflowers in them, and we've got, bee hotels that we had Lintingate make for us, sort of the bug hotels that we put into the, verges as well. So, the only other thing that we do is, obviously, all the planning applications that come through. There's reams of them, obviously, for the roads and the local things that are going on in the area from Bucks Council. One of our councillors, is a, …

193 00:25:23.510 --> 00:25:47.549 JANE MACKINNON: an architect, and he's a landscape architect, so he's very knowledgeable about trees and about climate change, and so he's very good at every time we see a new planting application, he always comments, particularly with books, about planting hedgerows, and quite often they keep using the same trees, and he suggests better, or different sort of trees that are local, that they think should diversify a bit more.

194 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:52.519 JANE MACKINNON: So, really, that's all we can do, because we don't actually have any land of our own.

195 00:25:55.130 --> 00:25:58.040 Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Jane. And, …

196 00:25:58.040 --> 00:26:20.790 Rachel Blackmore: Wendover have done similar things to us. They've also got a patch of land. Did you… did you want to say anything, Francis, or are you happy for me to? Yeah, so we, yeah, we spoke at our meeting, and yeah, Wendover Wild Belt is wonderful, isn't it? A huge piece of land that Parish Council and the Climate Group have worked with together to, increase the biodiversity.

197 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.550 Rachel Blackmore: And, similar…

198 00:26:23.550 --> 00:26:47.540 Rachel Blackmore: yes, doing similar works to ourselves. Stoke and Mandeville are rather burdened, aren't you, Kirstie, with, huge projects of building and HS2, but… so, obviously, biodiversity will come into, increase… or certainly the Community Climate Action can help Stoke Mandeville with that, because we can work on increasing the bio… hi, Kirsty, increasing the biodiversity.

199 00:26:47.540 --> 00:27:02.409 Rachel Blackmore: along the route of HS2. Indeed, their… obviously, that's their remit, and we'll… we'll be holding to it, but I think they… they want to… they want to look good, so there'll be a lot more biodiversity coming into Stoke and Mandeville on that section, slashing through your parish, Kirsty.

200 00:27:02.570 --> 00:27:07.620 Rachel Blackmore: So that's our four parish, brief updates on biodiversity.

201 00:27:09.020 --> 00:27:12.399 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic. Well, that sounds… that sounds like a good start.

202 00:27:13.770 --> 00:27:15.649 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And whereabouts are you, Jane?

203 00:27:17.590 --> 00:27:20.270 Rachel Blackmore: Jones Holton Parish Council Chair.

204 00:27:20.270 --> 00:27:21.100 JANE MACKINNON: Holton, yeah.

205 00:27:21.530 --> 00:27:21.900 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Brilliant.

206 00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:22.650 Rachel Blackmore: to have you….

207 00:27:22.650 --> 00:27:31.230 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thanks, Jane, that gives me a bit of context. I'm sort of familiarising myself with the geography of the area, so really handy to know where you are, and….

208 00:27:31.230 --> 00:27:45.049 JANE MACKINNON: Okay, so we're sort of, next to Wendover and, Western Turville, but, our parish is tiny, but it's mainly… the land is mainly taken up by a Royal Air Force Station.

209 00:27:45.050 --> 00:27:58.849 JANE MACKINNON: And when the Royal Air Force sold the village off, no land was given to the villagers, so we basically got a village hall with a car park, and then we just got verges. But we don't actually have any land of our own.

210 00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:03.070 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay, might be really interesting to get in touch with the RAF.

211 00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:13.299 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We're doing that in our local area. The RAF have a net zero target of 2040, I think, for all of their… all of their operations. They're taking it very seriously.

212 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:17.940 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And also the forces often have, volunteer days.

213 00:28:18.100 --> 00:28:26.740 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So forces personnel can go and volunteer for local, local things, so the Army were out cleaning a beach recently, picking up plastic, that kind of thing.

214 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:31.430 JANE MACKINNON: I must say that they do help us, they are brilliant, but they look after our churchyard for us.

215 00:28:31.430 --> 00:28:32.330 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, wow, cool.

216 00:28:32.330 --> 00:28:56.669 JANE MACKINNON: They come out, the recruits come out and clean up the churchyard, and also we have volunteers on our speed watch from the RAF as well. So we've got a great relationship with the station. They do have an environmental section, and they used to do work where they were looking after wild orchids and stuff like that on the RAF site. They've got rare grasses and all that sort of thing.

217 00:28:56.700 --> 00:29:08.169 JANE MACKINNON: And we have tried to get involved with them and, join their environmental group, but they're not very keen to have us, because I think they just don't want us to be able to see what they've got.

218 00:29:08.260 --> 00:29:15.450 JANE MACKINNON: But that's partly because then the station is closing, and it's being sold off for house building.

219 00:29:15.450 --> 00:29:40.319 JANE MACKINNON: And, we've done a lot of work with Bucks Council on the plan for the site. I'll wrap up in a sec. And, in that plan, they're going to conserve things like the orchids, the wild grasses, all that sort of stuff. And, we're looking at all the protections of all the woodland, etc. So we've done a lot of work with Bucks Council on that, but obviously there's not time here to go into all of that, because eventually we will get that land ourselves when

220 00:29:40.320 --> 00:29:43.719 JANE MACKINNON: Station closers, but that's some way off.

221 00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:58.150 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay, wow, that's really fascinating to learn, particularly if, the recruits are helping. You know, the air cadets or similar might like to come to the Climate Action Workshop, so we could perhaps invite the RAF.

222 00:29:58.760 --> 00:29:59.230 JANE MACKINNON: Yeah.

223 00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:02.709 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Are you guys familiar with BioBlitzes?

224 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.320 Rachel Blackmore: No.

225 00:30:04.450 --> 00:30:20.399 Joolz | Community Climate Action: No? So I'll put some links in the chat. So, in Essex, in a local area, they're doing a BioBlitz with a piece of recording software called iNaturalist.

226 00:30:21.110 --> 00:30:32.789 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And so you can walk around with your phone, you can take pictures, and it will automatically identify plants, species, flora and fauna, and add them to a map, for you.

227 00:30:33.410 --> 00:30:41.269 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I'll just pop details of that in the chat. So, as we get together, it'd be really interesting to look at

228 00:30:41.630 --> 00:30:56.150 Joolz | Community Climate Action: you know, our biodiversity holistically between the four areas, and also how we may look at creating wildlife corridors. You know, bee highways and this kind of thing between the parishes. So, something to consider.

229 00:30:56.630 --> 00:31:05.189 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I wonder if there's anyone on this call that might like to support that kind of work, has a particular interest in nature-based recovery.

230 00:31:06.310 --> 00:31:12.609 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And might wanna… might wanna help Jane and… Jane and Rachel and others, look at biodiversity.

231 00:31:16.070 --> 00:31:22.680 Sean McCarthy: Sorry, this is Sean here from Wendover. When you say support, what do you specifically mean? This is my first meeting.

232 00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:38.229 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, sure. So, I guess really, Sean, I'm asking if there's anyone on this call that would like to volunteer some time to organise a BioBlitz and or a sort of benchmark, if you like, for biodiversity in the four parishes.

233 00:31:39.560 --> 00:31:40.840 Sean McCarthy: I'm… I'm… I'm…

234 00:31:41.130 --> 00:31:52.569 Sean McCarthy: I don't know whether I'll be the bloke taking my shirt off at the front of the thing, but supporting it, certainly. Yeah, I'm interested in, sort of, geospatial data, so that kind of falls into my…

235 00:31:52.840 --> 00:32:06.749 Sean McCarthy: bailiwick a little bit. What I think I'd like to do would be to identify who's doing what first, because there may be somebody already doing it, but I'll speak to Francis and others and ask them.

236 00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:25.459 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, I think, I think, I think that's the best thing to do. I mean, this is kind of a meet and greet, and it's really just the start of something. Of course, if you volunteer, or, and you discover, or life happens, and you don't have capacity, it's always, always, always okay to hand stuff back. There's nothing, nothing particularly, ….

237 00:32:25.750 --> 00:32:26.690 Sean McCarthy: onerous.

238 00:32:26.690 --> 00:32:39.170 Joolz | Community Climate Action: is a good word right now. If you've got an interest in geospatial stuff, that's kind of ideal, because a good bit of it is mapping. Another bit is just called….

239 00:32:42.600 --> 00:32:47.819 Rachel Blackmore: Whilst Jules Frozen, Amanda Barnacote will be… will know a lot of what's going on as well, Sean.

240 00:32:47.820 --> 00:32:48.500 Sean McCarthy: Monica, okay.

241 00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:50.899 Rachel Blackmore: While I can put you in touch with her.

242 00:32:51.020 --> 00:32:51.920 Sean McCarthy: Thank you.

243 00:32:52.100 --> 00:32:55.630 Rachel Blackmore: She'll know what's happening, what she's involved in.

244 00:32:56.280 --> 00:32:58.590 Rachel Blackmore: You fro… your frozen jewels, sorry.

245 00:33:04.490 --> 00:33:08.430 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, there we go, I think I might have unfrozen. I heard you talking, Rachel.

246 00:33:08.430 --> 00:33:10.690 Rachel Blackmore: Fill the gap.

247 00:33:10.690 --> 00:33:26.109 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, so I was just going to suggest, you know, we're starting to coalesce with perhaps Jane, Rachel, Sean, and, you know, and others into a little group that can help… could think about managing this as a project, and also where we might build other capacity from.

248 00:33:26.190 --> 00:33:44.859 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, you know, it's not the end game in terms of the team that we're forming now, but it's the start of a group. And what I was saying, Sean, is, yeah, if you're into geospatial and mapping, that's a really key component part in a lot of the stuff that we do, and I'm a big fan of maps, because every journey starts with a map.

249 00:33:45.300 --> 00:33:48.019 Sean McCarthy: And that… and everything has a place somewhere.

250 00:33:48.350 --> 00:33:57.450 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Absolutely, and we all have a destination, be it, you know, be it community energy, retrofitting, biodiversity, all of this will be kind of mapped, really, so….

251 00:33:57.830 --> 00:34:00.030 Sean McCarthy: Okay, yeah, I'd like to do that, thank you.

252 00:34:00.030 --> 00:34:06.660 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Brilliant, brilliant, okay, cool. So, that's a little bit of an update on biodiversity.

253 00:34:07.260 --> 00:34:11.789 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Anything else, from anyone before we perhaps move on?

254 00:34:18.330 --> 00:34:25.350 Joolz | Community Climate Action: No? Okay. … Another thing that, has been mentioned is retrofitting.

255 00:34:45.819 --> 00:34:48.879 Michelle Parker: Rachel, you're on… you're on mute.

256 00:34:49.480 --> 00:35:04.779 Rachel Blackmore: Bother, bother. Yeah, I was saying, while Jules is frozen, I've had a… I'm very interested in retrofitting as part of our, community climate action, and I know a lot of you here will have expertise in retrofitting, and yeah, a lot of knowledge, and…

257 00:35:05.180 --> 00:35:10.480 Rachel Blackmore: cursed is involved as well, and yeah, all sorts of different ways. Are you back with us yet, Jules?

258 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:22.250 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I am indeed, yeah, I froze a bit, and really, it was good… relatively good timing, because I was just kind of handing over to you to say, to talk about your interest in retrofitting, and I think you mentioned a particular street that you'd like to look at.

259 00:35:22.250 --> 00:35:45.260 Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, so when I spoke to John Christophers, who's, who was part of the team in Retrofit Boston Heath in Birmingham, they started with a street of mixed housing, social and owner-occupied, so we've got a street in Western Terville that fulfils that. So we would be… so, thoughts at the moment, obviously we haven't had our workshop yet, but that we could… each parish could have a street.

260 00:35:45.350 --> 00:36:04.350 Rachel Blackmore: We can then, again, Jules expertise, finding out which… which is the best way of getting funding, and then offering retrofits to people in a, in a particular street and rolling it out. And again, you, Kirsty, probably have more experience of this in as much as you're working with Ed Gemmel in.

261 00:36:04.910 --> 00:36:09.389 Rachel Blackmore: Hazelmir, aren't you, on, with Retrofit ideas, so….

262 00:36:09.390 --> 00:36:13.930 Kirsty Shanahan: Yeah, we haven't… we've still not had our funding through, but, yeah.

263 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:25.200 Kirsty Shanahan: I mean, my feeling is that we're done with the streets at this point, and that we should really be just going for whole, villages in order to achieve some sort of scale.

264 00:36:25.660 --> 00:36:30.580 Kirsty Shanahan: But… but on the other hand, it doesn't really matter as long as you start somewhere, so….

265 00:36:30.580 --> 00:36:46.919 Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, I mean, when I say streets, I don't mean just do a street, I mean do the whole village, but street by street. So just starting, yeah, starting maybe with people who may not have had… in a street where people may not have had the money to do much themselves, and then, yeah, just moving on.

266 00:36:47.740 --> 00:36:48.950 Rachel Blackmore: Around….

267 00:36:48.950 --> 00:37:03.099 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, it's, it's really interesting, retrofit. The average cost of a retrofit is some… is in the region of £30,000, including renewable energy installation, and what have you. There is… there is government grant funding.

268 00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:12.550 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There are a variety of qualification criteria. There are also other schemes and other sources of capital, in particular for…

269 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:20.180 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Community buildings. So you can get a grant to have a free energy audit, up to £2,500 pounds.

270 00:37:20.470 --> 00:37:30.319 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then you can have the capital cost, even 6 figures, 100, 150,000, covered by, the Resilience Fund, which…

271 00:37:30.540 --> 00:37:34.370 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It is 40% grant and 60% loan.

272 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.099 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So we're doing that with our rugby club.

273 00:37:37.220 --> 00:37:41.970 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I've had a call with Paul, who's the chair of Aylesby Rugby Club.

274 00:37:42.110 --> 00:37:48.749 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And he's interested in investigating that and looking at it, to see if that's something they'd like to take.

275 00:37:48.930 --> 00:37:50.270 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Forward.

276 00:37:50.500 --> 00:37:57.150 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's results, so it could be a real good exemplar and a show… showpiece for people to… people to have a look at.

277 00:37:57.570 --> 00:38:14.919 Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, and I see what you mean, Kirsty. You mean rather than do street by street, just make the plan to go for the whole village all at once, so look at your 30,000 multiplied by your 4,000 houses, or whatever, or in our case, it's 1,500 at the minute, but, yeah, it's sort of a… go for big funding straight away, rather than….

278 00:38:15.220 --> 00:38:27.549 Kirsty Shanahan: The trouble is, Rachel, is that it's really difficult to get funding for owner-occupiers who are relatively affluent, and we live in quite an affluent area. We're not in an opportunity box area, so, …

279 00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:37.360 Kirsty Shanahan: Yes, Jules is right, but the grants are dwindling for this stuff, so you've got the boiler Upgrade Scheme, you've got Eco4 and Eco4 Flex.

280 00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:42.390 Kirsty Shanahan: Flex has some health criteria in addition to what you can get for Eco4.

281 00:38:42.650 --> 00:38:47.479 Kirsty Shanahan: And then, … really, for…

282 00:38:48.260 --> 00:38:57.580 Kirsty Shanahan: for homeowners that can afford stuff, they… there isn't really… there aren't really grants apart from the boiler upgrade scheme. And, oh, there's the Great British Insulation Scheme, but again.

283 00:38:57.580 --> 00:39:09.420 Kirsty Shanahan: you have to have… your house has to be below a D, EPC, and all of that kind of stuff. I just… just on the cost of retrofit, so the project in Hazelmere, we're not going for…

284 00:39:09.570 --> 00:39:20.319 Kirsty Shanahan: the cost that Jules quoted is usually quoted including, like, external wall insulation, which really ramps the cost up, but actually, you could decarbonize a house for around 11 grand.

285 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:31.840 Kirsty Shanahan: That's not necessarily including the insulation, but that's just to get off gas, and we, in Hazelmoor, we want to look at the kind of basic stuff that might cost around seven or eight grand.

286 00:39:31.870 --> 00:39:40.350 Kirsty Shanahan: To try and make it a little bit more palatable and start, because what we've generally found is that if you've got solar, you then move on and do the rest.

287 00:39:40.770 --> 00:39:50.769 Kirsty Shanahan: Because, you know, once you've kind of got over the hurdle of, is this a, you know, new technology, am I going to get burned, am I going to damage my house, and all of that kind of psychological barrier.

288 00:39:50.770 --> 00:40:00.980 Kirsty Shanahan: Then people are generally inspired. And you don't have to do everything at once, but people are afraid of it, Jules, you're right, because they think it costs 30 grand, and they're like, I can't afford that.

289 00:40:01.470 --> 00:40:10.139 Kirsty Shanahan: So, but anyway, there's… it's… it's a very complex area. I can't wait to see Rachel make it happen, though, because if anybody can, it's you.

290 00:40:10.620 --> 00:40:15.459 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure. It is complex, yeah, very definitely. David, Morgan Jones.

291 00:40:16.630 --> 00:40:18.510 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Good evening, everybody. …

292 00:40:19.120 --> 00:40:38.289 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: really interested to hear what's going on. Again, we're all struggling in identical parallel universes. We are in North Hampshire. What we're doing, just to help you with the retrofitting, is we're starting a program of EPC upgrades across the parish.

293 00:40:38.640 --> 00:40:43.960 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: … We're struggling a little bit getting the funding for those, …

294 00:40:44.150 --> 00:40:47.570 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: That don't have it, not willing to pay for it.

295 00:40:47.860 --> 00:40:48.660 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: …

296 00:40:49.740 --> 00:40:58.899 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: a lot of our… when we… when we did an analysis of all our houses, we used, Parish Online, which has all of that inbuilt.

297 00:40:59.010 --> 00:41:17.129 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And it tells us exactly which houses, do not have an EPC, or if they do, what grade it is. And our view is, A, we get everybody's EPCs up and running, and then B, once we've identified it, we'll only focus on those that are D and below.

298 00:41:17.940 --> 00:41:29.380 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And whilst that's not a perfect solution, it's a pragmatic solution, in that we can try and focus on those that really, really need it, and where insulation's going to make a significant difference.

299 00:41:29.700 --> 00:41:34.190 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: … So, yeah, just a thought to share that with you.

300 00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:41.679 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, thanks very much. It is… it is tricky, getting people's buy-in if they're renters, landlords.

301 00:41:49.990 --> 00:41:55.950 Rachel Blackmore: Rosen again, Jules, anybody else want to come in in the… in that space? Thanks for that, David. It's…

302 00:41:56.600 --> 00:41:59.169 Rachel Blackmore: And let's flick to page 2.

303 00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:08.110 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To catch up and see.

304 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:09.259 Rachel Blackmore: Got your back.

305 00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:20.340 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You have. It's ironic, I can hear you perfectly, Rachel, but obviously loses my connection. Yeah, just… I was… I was just saying that, yeah, I mean, I admire your…

306 00:42:20.740 --> 00:42:23.660 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Mmm… your…

307 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:39.829 Joolz | Community Climate Action: ambition, Kirsty, to do it… do it all, but the sheer cost and, most importantly, capacity of that is… it will be quite a trick, I think. So, perhaps we start… perhaps we should just start somewhere and look at the street. We've got, in our parish, we've got 580….

308 00:42:44.160 --> 00:42:52.650 Rachel Blackmore: again… jewels, but I think it's 580 homes you've got in your parish in Suffolk, so…

309 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.599 Rachel Blackmore: Not sure where you've got two of those.

310 00:43:02.380 --> 00:43:06.189 Rachel Blackmore: Anybody else been involved in retrofits in their area?

311 00:43:07.630 --> 00:43:09.430 Kirsty Shanahan: Oh, he's back.

312 00:43:09.430 --> 00:43:12.880 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, okay. Well, apologies to everyone for the poor internet.

313 00:43:13.020 --> 00:43:21.069 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, but yeah, so we've got 84% that are band D or below, so if we do 3 a month, which is an awful lot of work.

314 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:41.290 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It will take us 13 years. So, you know, let's make a plan of how we do this over a period of time, because some of the, challenges are down to capacity in terms of trusted tradespeople and materials, so we could perhaps start… start somewhere. I'm just going to quickly share my screen. There's a lovely 2-minute clip from Retrofit Reimagined.

315 00:43:41.350 --> 00:43:43.279 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That I presented at.

316 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:53.739 Kirsty Shanahan: Jules, can I… sorry, before you do that, I think on that question of how long it takes to do, I think that to draw the analogy from your TED talk at the beginning.

317 00:43:54.410 --> 00:44:01.679 Kirsty Shanahan: Were any of the people that were after the first follower, was anybody actually carrying those people onto the field to do the dancing?

318 00:44:01.910 --> 00:44:06.390 Kirsty Shanahan: Or were they motivated to have their own agency and to do the stuff?

319 00:44:06.630 --> 00:44:19.110 Kirsty Shanahan: Because I think sometimes we get absolutely paralyzed by this idea that we have to pay for people to have retrofit, but we don't pay for them to have new bathrooms, or new boilers, or sort out their double glazing, or fix their roof.

320 00:44:19.430 --> 00:44:27.510 Kirsty Shanahan: So at some point, you just have to make it normalized that they will have an energy-efficient home, and that it's the sensible thing to do. So I think that's all I would add on that, is….

321 00:44:27.510 --> 00:44:35.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's really fatal to start talking about grants, because then people think, oh, someone else will sort it out for me, but the whole point of your community climate action is.

322 00:44:35.650 --> 00:44:38.069 Kirsty Shanahan: That everybody can do a little bit, isn't it?

323 00:44:40.810 --> 00:44:42.679 Kirsty Shanahan: And he's gone again!

324 00:44:42.680 --> 00:44:56.170 Rachel Blackmore: Thank you, Kirsty, yeah. So that will be great, won't it? Hopefully, we've all got a lot of contacts within our, communities that will be out… so there's our slot now, but there'll be more coming on board as we get started.

325 00:44:58.120 --> 00:45:00.380 Rachel Blackmore: We can't hear you, Jules.

326 00:45:00.380 --> 00:45:05.570 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, great. Thanks, Kirsty. Yeah, really, I was talking about capacity in terms of tradesmen.

327 00:45:05.750 --> 00:45:17.560 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If there's 1,000, 1,500 homes in, Western Turville, physically, how long would it take if you… say you were doing… say there were 150,

328 00:45:17.740 --> 00:45:21.009 Joolz | Community Climate Action: heat pump installations…

329 00:45:21.240 --> 00:45:28.289 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Every month, it would take a year, you know, that kind of thing. So really, it's about making a plan over time.

330 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:46.190 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Because there probably isn't capacity in the local area in terms of tradesmen, in terms of installation. I wasn't really talking about the funding. But it's just… so it's starting, you know, it's having a plan for how long it will take to get from A to B. I… I see some hands up, so I'm going to go to, Michelle, and then David.

331 00:45:46.670 --> 00:46:11.359 Michelle Parker: I just want to follow on from what Kirsty said, really, is that if you… if you start quoting, it's going to cost you £30,000 to £60,000 to retrofit your home, you are automatically then going to be like, oh, I don't… you just… you shut down and you don't really want to get involved at all. I think you should start on saying how much little bits cost, rather than going into this full

332 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:18.349 Michelle Parker: this is how much it's gonna cost. And then it is… I just believe that exactly what Kirsty said, is that it starts then becoming

333 00:46:18.350 --> 00:46:26.310 Michelle Parker: your individual homeowner's, like, responsibility. So I just wanted to support what Kirsty said, really, in terms of that messaging.

334 00:46:27.220 --> 00:46:34.099 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure, yeah, the £30,000 figure is the average cost, as stated by the government.

335 00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:53.590 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, I'm just quoting an average cost. When we're thinking about planning, it's really helpful to know what it would take, so… and in Suffolk, we've got interest-free loans for up to £15,000. Nationwide, we're offering a mortgage.

336 00:46:53.650 --> 00:47:12.399 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Interest-free as well, for up to £15,000. So that's… that's an average cost for all of it, and that isn't necessarily what I would quote to someone, straight on the doorstep to try and convince them to do it. And like I say, it's small steps. So, over to David.

337 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:22.349 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Just a few places You might check to get a bit more information.

338 00:47:22.610 --> 00:47:25.100 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): To the southwest of you.

339 00:47:26.790 --> 00:47:31.680 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): In Oxfordshire, There are local, low-carbon groups.

340 00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:36.619 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Who do things like arrange volunteers to do draft busting.

341 00:47:36.730 --> 00:47:42.800 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): So, not big installations, just sealing up drafts done by volunteers.

342 00:47:43.290 --> 00:47:50.680 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): In Rose Hill, they even have a supply of insulation materials at the power, which you can get.

343 00:47:51.150 --> 00:47:59.090 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): And then, there's… organization, Cozy Homes Oxfordshire, where you can actually find out

344 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:03.640 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): How to insulate, and how to best improve your house, and they've…

345 00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:12.180 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): And they've even got to the point where you can pay them to do an assessment, and they vet all the tradesmen.

346 00:48:12.640 --> 00:48:16.469 David Newman (Blackbird Leys): Of which there are a lot in Oxford and Milton Keynes.

347 00:48:20.370 --> 00:48:23.630 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thanks, David. Yeah, I'm sure, …

348 00:48:23.640 --> 00:48:40.979 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm sure Kirsty is pretty au fait with much of the possibilities for draft excluding, and you've been working on the UK Power Networks Powering Down scheme, offering home energy efficiency advice, I think, with a load of energy champions. So thanks, David, for building on that.

349 00:48:41.660 --> 00:48:46.049 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So there's a short film, from…

350 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:56.339 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Retrofit Reimagined, which… oh, sure. It's a 2-minute clip, for Retrofit Reimagined, so, bear with me a moment while I share my screen.

351 00:49:09.540 --> 00:49:20.810 Rachel Blackmore: Huge amount of money that came from the government, green grants, and it was all about retrofit, improving the material quality of our homes. There was no uptake.

352 00:49:20.810 --> 00:49:45.190 Rachel Blackmore: The money went back to central government, because nobody wants safer, warmer, cheaper-to-run homes that are better for your health, that are better for your children, or neighbourhoods with cleaner air and better transport, more biodiverse and green front gardens. But I was like, this doesn't make any flippin' sense. What do you mean that there's no uptake? We started to realize, okay, there's many reasons to that low uptake. Different entanglements from across finance.

353 00:49:45.190 --> 00:50:03.760 Rachel Blackmore: from across governance, from across all of these different layers, surely, if all the incredible community and neighbourhood organising on the ground are doing amazing work, if they were activated in this story, and they saw retrofit as a key part and site of imagination and possibility, surely would be in a different place.

354 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:26.659 Rachel Blackmore: What if the retrofit of our homes, communities, neighbourhoods, streets were led, governed, owned, designed, not by some government scheme, but were led by the community that live here? What if? There's a cultural shift going on within architecture, construction, and community groups now. They're not looking for that architect to build a pinnacle, you know.

355 00:50:26.660 --> 00:50:32.789 Rachel Blackmore: you know, some glassy box in the middle of the city center. They're looking for their homes to be saved, they're looking for their bills to go down.

356 00:50:32.790 --> 00:50:43.550 Rachel Blackmore: We see housing as more of an asset or an accumulation of wealth than the necessity that it is. We don't see it as important as the need for food and water, when Maslow's hierarchy of needs states that basic shelter…

357 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.869 Rachel Blackmore: Was that the end of the clip, Jules? We're frozen.

358 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.420 Sean McCarthy: I think he's frozen.

359 00:51:06.310 --> 00:51:08.109 Rachel Blackmore: And you're frozen, yeah.

360 00:51:08.500 --> 00:51:11.980 Rachel Blackmore: That was pretty much it, wasn't it, Jules? It was a very short….

361 00:51:12.430 --> 00:51:18.969 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, that's right. Sorry, sorry if it paused a moment there. I stopped sharing and everybody disappeared, and I didn't know if you could hear me, so…

362 00:51:19.700 --> 00:51:39.289 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So there's a little bit on retrofitting. So what we're hoping to do is, is garner some energy and enthusiasm, and build… you'll learn more about the work that you might be doing already, Kirsty, looking at particular places. David mentioned Parish Online, and I wonder if that's a tool that you're familiar with.

363 00:51:39.780 --> 00:51:46.160 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I've got… I've got it online, so again, I'll just share… share my screen.

364 00:51:50.120 --> 00:51:57.100 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So again, Sean, when it comes to, sort of, geospatial mapping, this is a really handy tool. It's called Parish Online.

365 00:51:57.380 --> 00:52:09.729 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Has a relatively small subscription cost, for a town or parish council, and if a parish subscribes, then it's made available for any green groups, in the area.

366 00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:18.879 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And there's a 3-month free trial at the moment as well, so I use it in my parish, but what we're looking at here is actually Western Turville.

367 00:52:19.050 --> 00:52:28.069 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So you could actually plan, again, your… where you get the biggest bang for your buck for your EPC inter… intervention for.

368 00:52:28.330 --> 00:52:32.719 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And pleased to see quite a lot of EPCs up, sort of amber or green.

369 00:52:32.850 --> 00:52:37.810 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But there are… there are some reds and… reds and oranges dotted about, so…

370 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:42.840 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I don't know if you can see the particular neighbourhood on there, Rachel, that you were thinking?

371 00:52:43.830 --> 00:52:45.050 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, you're on mute.

372 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:53.520 Rachel Blackmore: Yes, it's, it's just off of the top right, just, I'm just, just trying to get my…

373 00:52:53.530 --> 00:53:12.710 Rachel Blackmore: Bearing Zone Manor Farm, that's Main Street, isn't it? Yep, so it's, that circular one that you can see at the top there. You can see a little circle, which is a circle of bungalows in the middle. So it's, probably 60s… was originally a 60s, council estate, of, yeah, nice big homes that,

374 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.249 Rachel Blackmore: And now a mixture of owner-occupied and social.

375 00:53:21.430 --> 00:53:26.440 Rachel Blackmore: But I haven't put that to anyone else yet, you know, so it's something to be discussed at the planning.

376 00:53:26.510 --> 00:53:27.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure.

377 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.300 Kirsty Shanahan: What does the… what is the amber, then, Jules?

378 00:53:31.940 --> 00:53:38.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Amber is an E, a yellow is a D, and a green is a C+.

379 00:53:39.680 --> 00:53:42.120 Kirsty Shanahan: Wow, so the students are great.

380 00:53:42.740 --> 00:53:52.929 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Most… most new builds are C+, so C, C-plus is pretty good, but yeah, really where you want to target your activity is D and below, so yeah.

381 00:53:56.390 --> 00:54:01.840 Kirsty Shanahan: I'd say a lot of those C's in the middle there, Rachel, are social housing, and they've been done through the grants.

382 00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:07.260 Rachel Blackmore: They have, yes. Their fair hive has been, insulating.

383 00:54:07.490 --> 00:54:23.549 Rachel Blackmore: So if they're already insulated, they might be ready for… they haven't got air source or ground source heat pumps, so, yeah, one of our parish councillors lives in… in one of them with, which has been insulated really well, but so would be…

384 00:54:24.580 --> 00:54:26.609 Rachel Blackmore: Air source heat pump ready, hopefully.

385 00:54:26.610 --> 00:54:40.140 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And of course, and of course, when you're considering a conurbation like this, you could always look at district heating that they've delivered, very effectively, in Swap and Prior and Cambridgeshire.

386 00:54:40.300 --> 00:54:41.890 Joolz | Community Climate Action: David.

387 00:54:42.340 --> 00:54:43.419 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You've got your hand up.

388 00:54:44.070 --> 00:54:49.469 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Jules, yeah, just for info, I speak to Tristan Carey, who is,

389 00:54:49.560 --> 00:55:04.500 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: I think the chair of… I can't remember, I don't quite know what his relationship, but he's fairly significant in Paris Online on a weekly basis. I've asked him if they would be able to produce, the ability to produce spreadsheets

390 00:55:04.830 --> 00:55:06.470 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: from that data.

391 00:55:06.620 --> 00:55:11.310 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So that we can put a filter in to exclude all the C's.

392 00:55:11.430 --> 00:55:22.300 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: and above, and then give us a printout of all the lists of all the houses by street, postcodes that are, D and below.

393 00:55:23.300 --> 00:55:24.060 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great.

394 00:55:24.060 --> 00:55:27.109 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: So they're working on that at the moment, I think.

395 00:55:27.110 --> 00:55:31.419 Kirsty Shanahan: David, I think that is already available via the, government's…

396 00:55:31.710 --> 00:55:45.640 Kirsty Shanahan: data portal for EPCs. I'll find out what it is, but definitely, I work for Community Energy Pathways, and Tim pulled out that exact information for me about some villages in Essex recently.

397 00:55:45.890 --> 00:55:46.470 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Yeah.

398 00:55:47.180 --> 00:55:53.139 Kirsty Shanahan: But I'll ask him which one it is, and whether it's open source, and, like, as in open access data.

399 00:55:53.140 --> 00:55:55.449 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: We know that most of the, …

400 00:55:55.620 --> 00:56:02.480 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: County councils and the district councils have access to a much more sophisticated system than we do.

401 00:56:02.660 --> 00:56:19.380 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Standfast Parish Online. And that does produce the data, but it's gaining access to it, and trying to persuade your, friendly district council officer to produce you a spreadsheet. …

402 00:56:19.610 --> 00:56:31.470 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: it's an option. I would prefer if I could control it, because it gives us much more flexibility at parish level. But yeah, no, the data does exist, it's just a question of extracting it.

403 00:56:32.810 --> 00:56:44.539 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, it's, open… it's invariably open government data. That's where Parish Online get the data from. I think, David, yes, I regularly speak to Tristram as well, and that would be a really handy feature.

404 00:56:44.670 --> 00:56:59.180 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I do know that some open source developers have done a similar thing, and you can just go to a website and download the raw data into a spreadsheet, so you can filter out all the C's and have the addresses, but if it was native in Paris Online, that would certainly be… certainly be helpful.

405 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:09.140 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: The other thing that they're trying to do, which goes on to, energy generation, is working with, a team

406 00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:13.970 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: To produce an analysis of all roofs.

407 00:57:14.250 --> 00:57:22.709 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: In order to identify those that are capable of, holding or having solar panels being put on them.

408 00:57:22.710 --> 00:57:23.220 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hmm.

409 00:57:23.220 --> 00:57:28.979 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: And the total amount of, kilowattage, if everybody,

410 00:57:29.040 --> 00:57:44.000 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Accepted, solar panels on their roofs and the battery storage systems, that could be generated by a community, if there was a community push to have this capability, put on.

411 00:57:44.040 --> 00:57:57.109 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Which, for me is very… is extremely helpful. And also, the ability to look at ground-mounted systems where that is possible.

412 00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.719 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: In order to make up the deficit, where

413 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:16.529 David Morgan-Jones Ewshot PC: Houses can't have it, for whatever technical or, sort of, tree reason, to actually make up the difference in terms of total kilowattage required for that particular community.

414 00:58:17.410 --> 00:58:27.760 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, absolutely. I think center for Sustainable Energy have got a similar, very elegant tool for solar potential, where there's LiDAR data available from Ordnance Survey.

415 00:58:28.190 --> 00:58:42.950 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And yes, it would be fab if we could have that kind of functionality all in one place. So, definitely, those are the kind of conversations we're having in our development team at the Great Collaboration and with Tristram. So, hopefully we'll see that coming soon.

416 00:58:42.950 --> 00:58:56.500 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So we can look at the solar potential for a street, for instance. Kirsty's just put a link in the chat to… I think it's the same open source tool that I've used previously, where you can download EPCs, so that's really, really helpful. Thanks, Kirsty.

417 00:58:57.630 --> 00:59:01.929 Joolz | Community Climate Action: … And is anyone familiar with Power Station?

418 00:59:06.340 --> 00:59:10.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, I'm going to show you another, very short film. Again, it's only 2 minutes.

419 00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:19.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it's looking at how we collectively come together as streets. And again, street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, town by town.

420 00:59:19.450 --> 00:59:36.219 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Both for retrofitting, and then we can perhaps move on in the last 5 or 10 minutes, we can talk a little bit about community renewable energy, and, fabulous that we've got Kirsty here, so she'll be able to give us a bit of an update, and how Buck's Community Energy is going.

421 00:59:36.390 --> 00:59:49.560 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, the power station is a couple, Daniel and his partner, who have decided to do a street-by-street project in… starting in Walthamstow in London.

422 01:00:03.050 --> 01:00:11.369 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I have a lot of tea, to be honest with you. I have 20 cups minimum a day. Really? Yeah. 20 cups of tea? Minimum. That's minimum.

423 01:00:12.570 --> 01:00:17.480 Joolz | Community Climate Action: What we're trying to do is to raise the money to buy solar panels for every house on the street.

424 01:00:17.850 --> 01:00:18.530 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Right.

425 01:00:19.630 --> 01:00:26.010 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Can you make a film just on one street and make it interesting? Well, you could definitely make a film on one street.

426 01:00:27.860 --> 01:00:31.760 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Can't they find a grown-up to run the country?

427 01:00:32.870 --> 01:00:34.370 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Dear God.

428 01:00:34.820 --> 01:00:44.520 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Are you really worried that it could be the end of the world? It could be, it could be. Climate change is, like, a huge thing. People don't do enough about it. They think about it, they say, oh, this and that, but….

429 01:00:50.990 --> 01:00:53.399 Rachel Blackmore: Frozen again, or frustrating.

430 01:01:07.720 --> 01:01:19.160 Rachel Blackmore: You, because of the money, are kind of trying to put the brakes on. The point was, we wanted to do the whole street, but yeah, financially, you know, we've got a bigger challenge ahead. We can do this? Yeah.

431 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:26.850 Rachel Blackmore: I have of late, but wherefore I know not lost all my mirth. Man delights not me, no.

432 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.030 Rachel Blackmore: No woman, neither.

433 01:01:29.210 --> 01:01:40.039 Rachel Blackmore: No woman, neither. Alright, all coming in, the camera's down there! I think we can sell a million pounds, maybe not just from here, literally. Have to explode out from here.

434 01:01:40.890 --> 01:01:59.299 Rachel Blackmore: Power means everything, my dear, doesn't it? Power means everything. Who knows? Everybody in Waltham Forest, everyone in the UK might end up with solar panels, it would be so amazing. It's not just about physical infrastructure, it's about the infrastructure of what we think is possible, the imagination, really.

435 01:02:10.530 --> 01:02:16.859 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So there we go, that was, Daniel and his partner on his roof, doing a bit of a stunt to raise some money by a crowdfunder.

436 01:02:16.980 --> 01:02:25.410 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But also bringing a community together in Walthamstow in London, and looking how they can collectively install solar panels for a street.

437 01:02:25.640 --> 01:02:34.609 Kirsty Shanahan: Do you know how… what happened with that project? Because that was in about 2022. Do you know whether they actually managed it, or what happened after that?

438 01:02:34.610 --> 01:02:41.320 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's still ongoing, they've just released their film, so, perhaps you can organise a film screening about it.

439 01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:42.880 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But….

440 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:46.450 Kirsty Shanahan: Yeah, but did they actually achieve what they set out to do, or…?

441 01:02:46.450 --> 01:02:52.900 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I… I don't think they have yet, but as you know, these things take time, so it's an ongoing… an ongoing project.

442 01:02:53.540 --> 01:02:54.780 Kirsty Shanahan: Would be… yeah.

443 01:02:55.890 --> 01:03:04.990 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So my suggestion was going to be to perhaps organise a screening of these kind of films, gather together as a community. The basis of most of these things is community.

444 01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:16.139 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's not necessarily the solar panels, it's not necessarily the technology, but it's, the will. And, you know, Rachel, the little, cul-de-sac that you mentioned might be a good place to start.

445 01:03:17.710 --> 01:03:19.100 Rachel Blackmore: Yep.

446 01:03:19.810 --> 01:03:24.290 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, … So, yeah, …

447 01:03:27.030 --> 01:03:32.890 Joolz | Community Climate Action: for, so David's just put in the chat, looks like they did the Einsham area.

448 01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:38.260 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And first target reached for the crowdfunder for… …

449 01:03:38.740 --> 01:03:53.369 Joolz | Community Climate Action: for Power Station. They're doing it in a novel way, they're looking to crowdfund to do it. I've, you know, I've talked to Daniel about that, and suggested that a better way might be via community shares, you know, with a clear, clear payback.

450 01:03:53.480 --> 01:04:05.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But what's really interesting to me, in terms of what they're doing, is the community spirit that they've engendered, and just going around and having a cup of tea and knocking on the door, with their neighbours.

451 01:04:06.220 --> 01:04:16.610 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Part of this process, we'll also be looking at community renewable energy, and the prospects for things like onshore wind, bulk buying for rooftop solar.

452 01:04:37.930 --> 01:04:38.610 Sean McCarthy: Nope.

453 01:04:41.460 --> 01:04:43.589 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Happening… happening where you are.

454 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:55.949 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, Kirstie, I wonder if you wanted to maybe give us a quick pre-say, a bit of a heads up in terms of how you're getting on with Bucks Community Energy, and how we might be able to support that.

455 01:04:57.190 --> 01:05:06.289 Kirsty Shanahan: Are you talking about solar on schools and things like that, or are you talking about farm solar, or what do you… what did you have in mind?

456 01:05:06.460 --> 01:05:23.840 Joolz | Community Climate Action: any, any or all of the… any or all of the above. Onshore wind is the… probably the best, best bang for your buck, whether or not you've considered a wind turbine. One of our, one of our members at the Great Collaboration, Kurt, Kristin, is,

457 01:05:24.560 --> 01:05:34.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: parish counselling gambling gate, Kirsten, sorry, parish counselling gambling gate, and they've got a wind turbine that's, been producing lots of.

458 01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:37.970 Sean McCarthy: Electricity.

459 01:05:38.780 --> 01:05:51.190 Kirsty Shanahan: Yeah, fill in the gap. Shall I… I'll just, I'll just fill the gap then. So, unfortunately, Aylesbury Vale's not brilliant for wind. There's, there's a really cool website where you can go and map where

460 01:05:51.320 --> 01:06:09.930 Kirsty Shanahan: places are good for onshore wind. And to be quite honest as well, it's not necessarily a great bang for your buck unless you've got a lot of patience. So… but, I mean, it is once you get it up, but in terms of the, the rigmarole around feasibility, it's much, much more expensive.

461 01:06:10.020 --> 01:06:23.480 Kirsty Shanahan: Also in Buckinghamshire, we've got a ton of field solar going in, so, personally, I wouldn't necessarily want to see community-owned field solar. What I would want to see is shared ownership of those commercial developments.

462 01:06:23.500 --> 01:06:32.700 Kirsty Shanahan: And that… I did actually have a meeting with Callum Anderson, who is the North Bucks MP, about the Rosefield Solar, …

463 01:06:33.230 --> 01:06:47.079 Kirsty Shanahan: project, which is a massive, massive, battery and, solar, installation that they're gonna… it's an NSIP, which is a nationally strategic infrastructure project, so they have to go all the way up to the, the,

464 01:06:47.200 --> 01:06:52.949 Kirsty Shanahan: to the Secretary of State to get permission, and then they have to go for all sorts of other things.

465 01:06:53.090 --> 01:07:05.219 Kirsty Shanahan: But it's near Claydon House, it's on the Claydon estate, and it's, surrounded by other applications, for solar, field solar. So I don't know that Buckinghamshire actually can…

466 01:07:05.240 --> 01:07:17.959 Kirsty Shanahan: tolerate any more field solar. What I'm more interested in is trying to get Bucks Council to do more, to facilitate school solar, which is by far the biggest need for the community,

467 01:07:18.150 --> 01:07:34.530 Kirsty Shanahan: And unfortunately, Jules, I don't know whether you know much about Buckinghamshire Council, but, they are absolutely useless. Oh, hi, Eli, one of my members. Sorry I haven't done Wharf Road yet. But yeah, basically, it's…

468 01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:37.000 Kirsty Shanahan: Been a real uphill struggle.

469 01:07:37.080 --> 01:07:47.010 Kirsty Shanahan: And, the main issue for Buckinghamshire Council is that they have a budget of $1.2 million, or something like that, to carry out their climate action strategy.

470 01:07:47.020 --> 01:08:09.689 Kirsty Shanahan: And they have designated it a capital fund, and so they never invest in officers to actually deliver on the actions, and they never spend that budget. And this has been going on for about 3 or 4 years, and it's never occurred to them that in any given year, when they haven't spent the money, that what they should do is allocate some of it for a person to actually carry it out. It is like giving a child

471 01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:18.689 Kirsty Shanahan: pocket money, and then not providing them with any access to the shops. So, that's really what we're up against, and although

472 01:08:19.029 --> 01:08:34.849 Kirsty Shanahan: it's not so much community action that we need, because I have no doubt whatsoever that once we can unlock some of the technicalities, I have no doubt at all that we'll find investment from the community. Our issue is actually bringing the stakeholders that matter together and getting them to actually

473 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.080 Kirsty Shanahan: Help us achieve what we need to achieve.

474 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:40.910 Kirsty Shanahan: Hello, Jules. You're back.

475 01:08:41.420 --> 01:08:42.460 Rachel Blackmore: Good luck.

476 01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:49.800 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I… I pretty much caught all of that right up to the challenge being… bringing stakeholders together.

477 01:08:50.180 --> 01:08:58.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I feel your pain, and yes, I have an inkling what the county counters are like, and that can be a bit of a blocker.

478 01:08:59.010 --> 01:09:04.850 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And yes, we've got a similar challenge in Norfolk and Suffolk with loads of

479 01:09:04.910 --> 01:09:14.670 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Solar farms being brought forward by commercial organisations, leaving little capacity with substations and or for community renewable energy, but we're giving it a good shot.

480 01:09:14.689 --> 01:09:33.470 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We're looking at some agri-voltaics, which is solar on stilts, so you can still use, the land for productive horticultural and agricultural production. But perhaps we could talk more about rooftops, and in particular, warehouses is an interesting one that we're, we're finding, some traction with.

481 01:09:33.470 --> 01:09:42.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So very large, very large-scale roofs. And we're doing… we're looking at some school projects, so look… look forward to comparing notes, moving forward as well, Kirsty.

482 01:09:43.439 --> 01:10:03.360 Kirsty Shanahan: Well, you're lucky, at least you've got Suffolk, it's a very positive… I know you've got the district system and the unitary, and a overall, yeah, but you do… you do have a lot more positivity in your county, but you've also, yeah, you've got lots of solar farms coming forward because, of the connections, queue being unzombified.

483 01:10:03.360 --> 01:10:19.999 Kirsty Shanahan: So there's lots of other stuff going on as well, and … the other thing that we should be doing as a county, and maybe even at parish, I think at parish level, is local area energy planning, because we've got a massive housing allocation potentially coming our way, so that's what we call spatial planning.

484 01:10:20.030 --> 01:10:35.909 Kirsty Shanahan: But they don't take into account in the energy planning, the planning officers don't really read the utility statements. I won't bore everyone with the detail, but suffice to say that, what parish councils can start doing is, when you get a planning application in for a housing estate of

485 01:10:35.980 --> 01:10:47.709 Kirsty Shanahan: 10, 20 more houses, is look closely at the utility statements, because a lot of the time, they're not, giving enough demand to the houses, and they're not asking enough of the DNO in terms of the connection requirement.

486 01:10:47.830 --> 01:11:00.160 Kirsty Shanahan: And I think that's going to come home to roost. But it also means that residents might find themselves unable to connect to the grid at some point, because if all the capacity is taken up by new houses.

487 01:11:00.290 --> 01:11:14.160 Kirsty Shanahan: you know, then that might cause an issue. And that's where the energy planning comes in as well. You need to look at a community and say, is it decarbonizing fast? Is… is it going to be an issue for this housing to get onto the server… onto the grid without

488 01:11:14.310 --> 01:11:19.920 Kirsty Shanahan: Reinforcement. I could literally bore you about this for about 4 hours, so I'll stop there.

489 01:11:20.690 --> 01:11:23.639 Kirsty Shanahan: We've, we've got, we've got time another time.

490 01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:25.669 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, I liked it.

491 01:11:25.670 --> 01:11:28.259 Kirsty Shanahan: Honestly, you will glaze over at some point.

492 01:11:28.260 --> 01:11:31.869 Joolz | Community Climate Action: No, I'd love to goop, I'd love to geek out and all that stuff.

493 01:11:32.440 --> 01:11:40.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'd love to geek out with all that stuff. Rachel, you mentioned a new development with Taylor Wimpy, I think, and it's a really important thing with this amount of new homes.

494 01:11:40.730 --> 01:11:57.539 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, that we do ask the developers, where is the energy coming from? And, you know, many of them are fitted… are built with air source heat pumps, but without any solar, which is crazy, because they just make them very expensive for the homeowners. So that's a, you know, it's a conversation we can have now, so…

495 01:12:00.740 --> 01:12:13.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great, so that's… we're at 8 o'clock, so probably gonna keep to time, and look forward to seeing you all at the next Zoom, which will probably have more of a focus on food.

496 01:12:14.440 --> 01:12:16.830 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And also perhaps transport.

497 01:12:17.090 --> 01:12:20.669 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Is a tough nut to crack, so we can start thinking about that.

498 01:12:21.050 --> 01:12:25.150 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Any other parting comments before we… before we wind up?

499 01:12:25.450 --> 01:12:44.840 Kirsty Shanahan: I was just, so I'm in Stoke Mandeville. We're a bit behind on the whole climate action thing, and I was really looking for some inspiration around our allotments, because, it occurred to me last night, actually, that we could probably be doing more as a parish council. We've got money that we could put into our allotments to make them

500 01:12:44.940 --> 01:13:00.119 Kirsty Shanahan: nicer for our holders, but maybe more productive in some way. So I was just, if, you know, maybe next time, people who have done good allotments, what does good look like for an allotment? And maybe that fits in with your food theme, I'd be quite interested in understanding a bit more about that.

501 01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:09.989 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great, okay, cool. Two things, then, for those that might have an extra couple of minutes. The allotment… an allotment is an award or gift of something.

502 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.179 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it was the outcome of a 20…

503 01:13:13.450 --> 01:13:19.860 Joolz | Community Climate Action: 28-year political campaign from 1880 to 1908 that culminated in the Small Holdings and Allotments Act.

504 01:13:20.310 --> 01:13:33.520 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which meant… which means that we're all entitled to an allotment, so don't let anyone tell you we're not. I'd love to talk about allotments, I can… I can probably bore you with those as well. And also, just, I would like to take a moment just to introduce Linda.

505 01:13:33.550 --> 01:13:41.579 Joolz | Community Climate Action: ASPE, and ask if you could perhaps just give us a quick overview of your work and how you might be able to support

506 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:51.399 Joolz | Community Climate Action: our groups in Wendover and villages with the mental health aspect. It came up on our last call in terms of climate cafes and how we can hold one another in this process.

507 01:13:51.950 --> 01:14:09.430 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: Yeah, thank you, hello. Really interesting meeting as well, thanks. Thanks for inviting me. Yeah, at the Climate Psychology Alliance, we run and we also run training in Climate Cafe listening circles, and they're very specifically aimed at places that aren't action-focused, they're really feelings-focused.

508 01:14:09.430 --> 01:14:18.730 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: And it gives people the chance to regroup, and connect, and to talk about how they're feeling with other people who don't say, oh, never mind, it's going to be fine.

509 01:14:18.730 --> 01:14:35.270 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: And it's… they're actually quite a lovely process to go through, to be in, because, through that, people begin to feel less alone, and particularly young people can be quite affected by what's going on. So we offer young… we have a youth, team as well that looks after youth spaces.

510 01:14:35.270 --> 01:14:53.190 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: We also do talks in organizations on climate psychology, on how to, it's really much more about how to work with the feelings we've got, and use them to good effect and to build resilience. So we do those kind of things. So, you can look us up at the Climate Psychology Alliance.

511 01:14:53.190 --> 01:14:57.910 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: I'm also a facilitator of assemblies, I've just taken part in House of the People.

512 01:14:57.910 --> 01:15:13.610 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: Where we, did a citizen's assembly for 100 people. So, anything like that, I'm very happy to pitch in. I used to live in Aylesbury, well, in Lower Hartwell, but I had to sell my house to HS2, so I'm not a fan of HS2. Well, thank you.

513 01:15:13.610 --> 01:15:33.579 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thanks very much for the brief introduction, Linda. We look forward to having your support as we go through this process and start to, you know, really encourage that kind of active listening. As we broaden our audience, it can be quite a heavy load to carry when it dawns on us quite where we are with the climate.

514 01:15:34.090 --> 01:15:39.580 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So it's really, really helpful to feel… to not feel alone and to have someone to listen, so thank you.

515 01:15:39.790 --> 01:15:54.759 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: And I should just add, if I might, I'm doing another session for banter in October, and I'm going to do a session on Climate Cafe Listening Circles. I'll explain what they are and how they work, and why they work, and we'll have a little chance to have a mini experience of one.

516 01:15:55.400 --> 01:16:00.549 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic. And, having lived in Aylesbury, you know the local area, which is brilliant.

517 01:16:00.930 --> 01:16:12.249 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great, okay. Well, thanks so much, everybody. You'll get a reminder for the next, preparatory Zoom, which, we can geek out about allotments and food growing, courtesy.

518 01:16:12.350 --> 01:16:19.580 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Amongst other things. And we can consider active travel, walking and cycling. I think there's some aspirations to maybe, again.

519 01:16:19.700 --> 01:16:25.469 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Have some, safer cycling and walking between the parishes, so….

520 01:16:25.470 --> 01:16:27.620 Linda Aspey Climate Psychology Alliance: Really looking forward to that.

521 01:16:27.670 --> 01:16:33.830 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, great news, we've got nearly 50 people booked on for the actual in-person workshop.

522 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:43.150 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, well done. You know, give yourself a round of applause, and I'm really looking forward to meeting you all, those that I haven't met before in person.

523 01:16:43.930 --> 01:16:55.650 Rachel Blackmore: Great, and can I just say, thank you to Fiona for running Climate Cafes in Chesham, along those lines, Linda. You've been partnering, haven't you, Fiona? And it's been very wonderful.

524 01:16:58.450 --> 01:16:59.140 Sean McCarthy: Thank you.

525 01:16:59.410 --> 01:17:00.279 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thanks. Bye.

526 01:17:01.650 --> 01:17:03.569 Kirsty Shanahan: Bye! Thanks a lot.

527 01:17:03.990 --> 01:17:04.820 Rachel Blackmore: Thank you, everybody.

528 01:17:06.350 --> 01:17:07.309 Rachel Blackmore: this time.

529 01:17:08.980 --> 01:17:09.980 Fiona Harding: Bye!

530 01:17:10.740 --> 01:17:11.820 Fiona Harding: Bye.

531 01:17:15.050 --> 01:17:16.539 Alan Thawley - Haddenham: Thanks a lot, bye!

532 01:17:16.540 --> 01:17:18.300 Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Alan, bye.

533 01:17:24.820 --> 01:17:34.870 Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Murray. Murray's, Wendover HS2 mitigation dual, so fantastic that he was able to join us tonight, along with,

534 01:17:35.810 --> 01:17:45.919 Rachel Blackmore: Somebody else, long, long gap, while I remember his name. Andy Band was on the last one. Thank you, thank you. And did he talk with you afterwards, Murray?

535 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:51.720 Murray Cooke: … yes, and we're doing some stuff with Martin Baxter.

536 01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:55.409 Rachel Blackmore: Oh, great! Great. Who was on tonight?

537 01:17:55.410 --> 01:18:06.100 Murray Cooke: Yes, so we… HS2 is now getting to the stage where they are, trying to build the project plan again.

538 01:18:07.170 --> 01:18:07.570 Rachel Blackmore: yet.

539 01:18:07.570 --> 01:18:18.890 Murray Cooke: This is Mark Wilde's, challenge, because when he took over as CEO, he discovered that EKFB had only got 55% of their design documentation in place.

540 01:18:19.530 --> 01:18:27.960 Murray Cooke: And so, he's committed to the Secretary of State to come back with a plan, a costed plan that's deliverable.

541 01:18:28.160 --> 01:18:38.169 Murray Cooke: And the problem is that EKFB have to work out what the heck it is they're actually going to build, how much it's going to cost, and how long it's going to take. And they need to do that by the end of November.

542 01:18:38.270 --> 01:18:56.269 Murray Cooke: So, the sort of stuff that we got last week, was an interesting meeting with EKFB, with the parish council, where they felt they needed to look at their land restoration projects for Ellisbury Road and Backham Lane.

543 01:18:56.270 --> 01:19:00.339 Murray Cooke: Because the parish council, is responsible for the street lighting.

544 01:19:01.540 --> 01:19:10.220 Murray Cooke: And so they had to speak to the parish council. We saw the landscaping plan for Ellersboro Road and came up with 8 issues.

545 01:19:11.510 --> 01:19:12.100 Rachel Blackmore: Yeah.

546 01:19:12.100 --> 01:19:21.959 Murray Cooke: And it's all sorts of things, like, you know, why are they building roads where they are? What are they doing with the rights of way? Don't they not understand, …

547 01:19:22.500 --> 01:19:42.250 Murray Cooke: you know, how people are actually using the rights of way locally. You know, there was a great link between, effectively, the Wendover Station Railway Bridge and Wellwick, where somebody had drawn a straight line on a map, not understanding that somebody's put a green tunnel in the way, and it was going to be a big slope up the side. This sort of

548 01:19:42.930 --> 01:19:48.149 Murray Cooke: Also the Bucks Greenway project, do you know about Bucks Greenway?

549 01:19:48.150 --> 01:19:49.010 Rachel Blackmore: Yes.

550 01:19:49.010 --> 01:19:55.129 Murray Cooke: Where they've got an idea about the track along the top of the green tunnel.

551 01:19:55.460 --> 01:19:56.110 Rachel Blackmore: Which….

552 01:19:56.110 --> 01:20:10.880 Murray Cooke: good. Then, at the moment, they don't have any connection between there and Ellersboro Road, and they showed us the landscaping plan between Ellersboro Road and Backham Lane, and there's nothing there. And then they've got a re…

553 01:20:11.080 --> 01:20:27.249 Murray Cooke: organized right-of-way that goes from Backham Lane past Grove Farm to the roundabout at the bottom of the bypass, and we've been leaning on them today about the bit of cycleway between there and Dunsmore Lane.

554 01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:35.599 Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, that's really key, isn't it? Ruthie was on the meeting tonight, she's, been… yes, talking.

555 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:38.849 Murray Cooke: I mean, she would like to cycle between Wendover and Dunsmore safely.

556 01:20:38.850 --> 01:20:39.450 Rachel Blackmore: Yep.

557 01:20:39.450 --> 01:20:57.070 Murray Cooke: Yeah, and so they're going to dump 3,700 tons of rock down the side of the A413 in September to rebuild the embankment, and they said today, well, yeah, we'll have the A413 sorted by the summer of next year. So we said, why can't you build the cycleway as soon as you get the rock in?

558 01:20:57.450 --> 01:20:58.720 Murray Cooke: And they said, oh.

559 01:20:59.430 --> 01:21:10.900 Murray Cooke: And, I mean, we've got that escalated as far as the HS2 CEO and Greg Smith. So, yeah, I'm not quite sure where we go from there. Maybe we need to do a…

560 01:21:11.750 --> 01:21:14.189 Murray Cooke: Stockade outside checkers.

561 01:21:14.530 --> 01:21:15.120 Rachel Blackmore: Yes.

562 01:21:15.120 --> 01:21:16.070 Murray Cooke: Yeah.

563 01:21:16.750 --> 01:21:23.240 Murray Cooke: It has been done. Absolutely hopeless, isn't it? The lack of communication and planning. Yeah, it's crazy. Right.

564 01:21:23.240 --> 01:21:43.120 Murray Cooke: So, that's where we are. Interesting to hear what's going on. Yeah, we are plotting our own little retrofit here. There's a man coming to survey every room in our house tomorrow, and we're thinking about an air source heat pump and solar panels, and trying to work out

565 01:21:43.140 --> 01:21:46.809 Murray Cooke: what it looks like. It looks like it's gonna take us 11 years to pay it back.

566 01:21:48.620 --> 01:21:51.319 Murray Cooke: Why… why should I do if it's ticking?

567 01:21:51.320 --> 01:22:10.790 Rachel Blackmore: Isn't it? Yeah, we were thinking the same for ours, yeah, we've done part of it, but… but yes, it's not… it's not… it's to do… we're doing it for the future of the planet, aren't we? Not to be… I mean, obviously, it is beneficial as well, because, I'd add value to… I mean, it's not about monies, it's about… we can afford it, it's about just getting the carbon down, isn't it?

568 01:22:11.940 --> 01:22:12.850 Murray Cooke: Right, so….

569 01:22:12.850 --> 01:22:14.279 Rachel Blackmore: It just has to be done.

570 01:22:14.280 --> 01:22:26.900 Murray Cooke: Yeah, it would be interesting to look at the, the, what's it, Parish Online, maps for Wendover, and, you know, if you did a campaign down Dobbins Lane, where there's people with lots of money, you know.

571 01:22:27.050 --> 01:22:28.669 Murray Cooke: Could you do Dobbins Lane?

572 01:22:29.190 --> 01:22:33.099 Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, yeah, go for the… do the opposite end.

573 01:22:33.100 --> 01:22:33.930 Murray Cooke: Don't know, yeah.

574 01:22:33.930 --> 01:22:41.239 Rachel Blackmore: Grants for low income and loans, yeah, and get people to the other end, yeah. Yeah, sounds a good plan, yeah.

575 01:22:41.420 --> 01:22:41.890 Murray Cooke: Interesting.

576 01:22:41.890 --> 01:22:47.659 Rachel Blackmore: No people in Bedham's Lane. Great. Well, thanks so much, Marie. We'll… can you make the 11th?

577 01:22:47.660 --> 01:22:54.529 Murray Cooke: Don't know. We're due to go on holiday to the States, I think, the next day, so it's all a bit.

578 01:22:54.530 --> 01:22:59.490 Rachel Blackmore: We'll see how you go, but we'll… anyway, you'll be… the projects will be… will be started new.

579 01:22:59.490 --> 01:23:01.820 Murray Cooke: my good lady wife, yes. Excellent.

580 01:23:01.820 --> 01:23:07.240 Rachel Blackmore: Thanks so much, Murray. Bye. Good to meet you. Bye.

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