CCA 03: 27Nov25 Wendover & Villages - post workshop Zoom update 1 of 9

This is the first of 9 online workshops following the Live Meeting in October 2025

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Meeting Summary:

Quick recap

The group discussed various initiatives around electric vehicle charging infrastructure, including funding options and implementation strategies across multiple parishes. They explored active travel improvements and community energy projects, with a focus on retrofit homes and biodiversity initiatives. The conversation ended with discussions about school engagement, website content creation, and communication platforms, including plans for an upcoming event and knowledge sharing through a Gitbook platform.

Next steps

• Alan: Convene a meeting with representatives from interested parishes and Zimbal to discuss the EV carpooling scheme and charging points.

• Ben: Clarify the current situation with Bucks regarding EV charging procurement in Western Turville Car Park and update the group when information is available.

• Joolz: Research potential funding sources and models (e.g., grants, Community Interest Company, Community Benefit Society) for the EV carpooling scheme startup costs and report back to the group.

• Representatives from each interested parish: Contact Alan to participate in the meeting with Zimbal about the EV carpooling scheme.

• 3./Rachel: Send a chasing email to Bucks transport officers about active travel proposals, and if no response, escalate by copying their boss and then the relevant cabinet member.

• MalcolmAllison and David: Simplify and organize retrofit guidance for residents, investigate the Hertfordshire approach, and develop a simple engagement process for local streets/properties.

• MalcolmAllison and David: Investigate options for free or low-cost EPC data access (e.g., Parish Online free trial, open source website) and report back to the group.

• MalcolmAllison and David: Arrange and attend meeting with Fairhive (local social housing provider) to discuss retrofit progress and opportunities for collaboration.

• Sean: Write to Bucks County Council (via MP's assistant) to identify the right contacts in the biodiversity team and clarify local nature recovery strategies.

• Julie: Contact local schools (St. Mandeville, Western Turville, Halton, Wendover) to encourage them to join the Bucks Greener School Network and report on engagement.

• Group leaders (Sean for Biodiversity, Alan for EV Share, Julie for Education): Send a paragraph summary (and a picture) of your group's update to 3./Rachel for the website and update email.

• Joolz: Send out the AI transcript/notes from the first half of the meeting to the group.

• Joolz: Send Eli an email with access details for the knowledge base/wiki and discuss collaboration on building out AI/chatbot functionality.

• 3./Rachel: Send out a call for "needs" from each group in advance of the next meeting to help structure the agenda.

• Joolz: Download and preserve the chat transcript and links, and upload to the knowledge base/wiki for group access.

Summary

Essex EV Charging Initiative Update

Joolz reported on successful engagement with Essex County Council, who are offering to match fund community decarbonization plans up to £50,000 per cluster, and shared details about a recent webinar attended by 12 parish council representatives. Alan provided an update on the EV Share initiative, noting that while all four parishes expressed interest, further meetings with Zimbal are needed to discuss a one-year trial funding proposal. The group discussed the importance of parish councils contacting Zimbal before signing agreements with third-party charging providers, as Zimbal's in-house charging solution is more cost-effective at 31p per kilowatt compared to 80p per kilowatt for third-party charging.

Zimbal Charging Options Discussion

The group discussed the possibility of using Zimbal instead of Bucks for charging in the Western Turville Car Park. Ben explained that Bucks might need to rerun the procurement process, and they are approaching central government to reuse the money. Alan suggested contacting Zimbal to discuss their charging options. The group also explored funding options for starting up the charging service, with Joolz suggesting a Community Interest Company or a community benefit society as possible structures. Joolz agreed to research further and provide a proposal for funding the £35,000 start-up cost.

Electric Vehicle Carpooling Implementation Plan

The group discussed implementing an electric vehicle carpooling scheme in two parishes, with an initial setup cost of around $35,000 per parish for two cars. Alan explained that the Zimbal model includes delivery, making it feasible to cover all four parishes with the scheme. The group also touched on the progress of on-street charging in Wendover, with Justine mentioning a pilot project with Climate Action Wendover and Bucks Council.

EV Charging and Active Travel

The group discussed two main topics: electric vehicle charging and active travel. For EV charging, they agreed to explore startup capital options, with Joolz tasked to investigate funding sources, while Alan noted that charging points would ideally start paying for themselves at 50-60% utilization. The group decided to start with Wendover as a test case, with representatives from each parish planning to contact Alan for more information. Eli shared insights about upcoming legislation regarding curbside charging and accessibility requirements for wheelchair users, which could help in securing grants. On active travel, the group reported progress on bike path connections and cycle route mapping, with two transport officers attending an early morning bike ride to discuss improvements like widened pavements and modified Hamden Fields plans. They noted that while these officers showed interest in the proposed changes, they were awaiting responses to their requests.

Stakeholder Engagement and Funding Strategies

The group discussed strategies for pursuing questions and follow-ups with stakeholders, including escalating to higher levels if needed. Joolz suggested exploring funding options for upgrading footpaths to joint use, such as using surplus from community renewable energy projects. They also considered increasing the precept on council tax to fund cycleways, though this might not be feasible this year due to a 15% increase already planned. Sean inquired about negotiating with farmers for strips of land to create paths, and Joolz advised starting a conversation, noting that farmers might be willing to provide land if it doesn't significantly impact farming.

Retrofit Homes Engagement Strategy

Malcolm and David discussed simplifying the guidance for Retrofit Homes to increase engagement, drawing inspiration from Hertfordshire's approach. They identified three potential ways forward: engaging a limited number of people in a street or parish model, building a network of "heroes" who can inspire others, or targeting young people through schools and colleges. The team plans to focus on creating a simple process that people can follow, including steps for improving energy efficiency in homes, and finding ways to provide house energy assessments through volunteer organizations or consultants.

Community Energy and Retrofit Projects

The group discussed progress on several initiatives including retrofit homes, biodiversity, and community energy projects. For retrofit homes, they agreed to take a street-by-street approach focusing on building community connections rather than pursuing complex grant applications. Sean reported on biodiversity efforts, noting they need to identify important issues not already being addressed by other organizations and engage with Bucks County Council's biodiversity team. The group also discussed food resilience projects, including potential community farmland and a pilot program called "Grow the Grower" that matches landowners with aspiring farmers. For community energy, they explored options including solar panels for schools and car parks, though some previous projects were blocked by legal fees and bureaucratic challenges. Julie mentioned educational initiatives including Climate Action Awards through Duke of Edinburgh programs and work with Padbury's Greener Group.

Biodiversity Education Network Development

Julie discussed the importance of involving local experts and schools in biodiversity projects, highlighting successful examples from previous initiatives. She emphasized the need to map existing school projects and determine their specific needs to tailor support effectively. Julie also mentioned the creation of a new Bucks Greener School Network to facilitate collaboration on outdoor learning and sustainability initiatives across Buckinghamshire schools.

School Food and Biodiversity Network

Julie reported that 51 out of 52 Buckinghamshire schools have expressed interest in joining a network, with 250 schools total in the county. She discussed the potential for schools to grow their own food and develop a curriculum around food growing, which could support food security and encourage green skills like horticulture. Sean raised concerns about aligning biodiversity projects with the school curriculum, while Julie suggested using school grounds for biodiversity improvements. Joolz provided links to resources for accessing land, including the Ecological Land Co-op, Community Farm Land, and the Land Workers Alliance, as well as information on community energy projects for schools.

School Project Support Services Meeting

The group discussed support services for school projects, including free feasibility studies and project management from energy co-ops, which typically work with multiple schools. They agreed to schedule the next meeting for Wednesday, January 27th, and Joolz committed to sending meeting notes and contact lists for schools that expressed interest. The group also discussed engaging with schools through their eco councils and offering support for climate plans, with Joolz sharing that many schools lack budgets and time but welcome offers of help.

Website Content and Knowledge Base

The group discussed creating content for their website and Facebook pages, with each group leader asked to provide a paragraph summary and picture related to their area of focus. They also discussed a knowledge base called Gitbook where workshop materials, links, and case studies would be stored and shared. Eli expressed interest in helping develop a generative AI chatbot for the knowledge base, and Joolz agreed to introduce him to other team members working on similar projects.

LinkedIn, Hilo, and Event Planning

The group discussed connecting on LinkedIn and using a forum called Hilo for structured communication, with Joolz offering to share more details about the platform. They agreed to limit future meeting topics to a few key areas and focus on addressing specific needs and roadblocks. The group also discussed an upcoming People, Pint, and Planet event on December 4th and the importance of preserving chat content for future reference.

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Chat:

00:05:38 Eli Kling [Wendover]: could you share where to get this AI companion facility - I would like to use it in other meetings I participate with

00:06:25 Sean McCarthy: I am expecting late delivery (from 6pm) so may have to run to door shortly.

00:12:52 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Oh - I see the AI Companion is part of the Zoom platform

00:15:29 Ben B: FYI Wendover did use LEVI and the community board: https://www.buckinghamshire.gov.uk/news/council-installs-first-phase-of-on-street-electric-vehicle-chargepoints-in-wendover

00:15:49 Ben B: For chargepoints

00:16:55 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Reacted to "Oh - I see the AI Co..." with 👍

00:33:42 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/almost-300-million-to-gear-up-new-walking-wheeling-and-cycling-schemes

00:38:46 Sean McCarthy: LEAP Energy Advice https://applyforleap.org.uk/ helped me write a "Warm Winter" article for WNews.

00:55:34 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://ecologicalland.coop/

00:55:49 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://communityfarm.land/

01:00:23 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://landworkersalliance.org.uk/

01:00:59 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://www.cprebucks.org.uk/

01:01:45 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://energy4all.co.uk/

01:05:11 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://climateambassadors.org.uk/

01:06:01 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://www.ministryofeco.org/

01:21:21 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://wiki.greatcollaboration.uk/knowledgebase

01:23:02 Mayuko Yamada: Apologies I need to jump off - thanks everyone, really interesting to hear all the updates - look forward to joining more of the individual meetings 👍 01:23:51 Julie Lloyd-Evans: I have to go...thanks everyone!

01:23:55 Eli Kling [Wendover]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elikling/ 01:24:02 Eli Kling [Wendover]: [email protected] 01:27:48 Eli Kling [Wendover]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianthomp/

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Audiotranscript (for AI Search engine):

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1 00:00:00.550 --> 00:00:01.110 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah.

2 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:11.810 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that means that anyone isn't here will be able to re-watch it, there'll be full notes and a transcript and what have you. So it's 7.30, so we'll kick off, we'll try and keep it to time.

3 00:00:11.910 --> 00:00:13.010 3. Rachel Blackmore: And…

4 00:00:13.010 --> 00:00:16.010 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm just going to do a very brief introduction.

5 00:00:16.420 --> 00:00:25.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In that… Our objective in terms of community climate action is to build capacity, it…

6 00:00:25.750 --> 00:00:27.229 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Help with momentum.

7 00:00:27.930 --> 00:00:30.589 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then provide specialist support and advice.

8 00:00:31.420 --> 00:00:31.990 3. Rachel Blackmore: Wonderful.

9 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I'm really impressed with the momentum.

10 00:00:35.780 --> 00:00:47.209 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, you know, the amount of people rallying to flags, and what each individual working group is doing. So I'm really looking forward to seeing, sort of, presentations on, you know, progress, and where you're up to, and how we might help.

11 00:00:47.870 --> 00:01:12.179 3. Rachel Blackmore: Fantastic, thank you so much, Jules, and thank you, everybody, for coming. So, I can see, we've got our group leaders for our… well, we've got, oh, I was going to say, we've got Alan for EV Share. We haven't got Damien yet, so we could just switch the order, couldn't we? I'm happy to update on the active travel, but we could just give Damien a little bit longer. Would you be okay to give us an update on the

12 00:01:12.180 --> 00:01:14.340 3. Rachel Blackmore: EV share, Alan.

13 00:01:14.450 --> 00:01:15.989 3. Rachel Blackmore: You're muted at the minute.

14 00:01:24.230 --> 00:01:25.720 Alan Thawley: Am I now unmuted?

15 00:01:25.720 --> 00:01:28.549 3. Rachel Blackmore: You are. Well done.

16 00:01:28.860 --> 00:01:30.770 Alan Thawley: Technology, not one of my strong points.

17 00:01:31.770 --> 00:01:36.689 Alan Thawley: Hi everyone, this will be quite brief, because I don't think we've moved forward.

18 00:01:36.870 --> 00:01:45.159 Alan Thawley: that far on it. So basically, it seemed that all four parishes were interested in pursuing this idea.

19 00:01:45.710 --> 00:01:54.000 Alan Thawley: And… so there are a couple of steps, which would be, one, to get,

20 00:01:54.980 --> 00:02:09.599 Alan Thawley: to get representatives of the four parishes to have a meeting with, Zimbal, to discuss further, because it is… it is a project that would… is kind of ready to go, but it would need support from

21 00:02:09.630 --> 00:02:16.270 Alan Thawley: the parishes. The idea is that, basically, it's, as we did in Havnham.

22 00:02:16.440 --> 00:02:19.750 Alan Thawley: Funding a one-year trial.

23 00:02:20.010 --> 00:02:30.199 Alan Thawley: With the idea that, ideally, at the end of that trial, you'd gain enough momentum for the thing to actually support itself, and it would start paying back to the parishes.

24 00:02:30.450 --> 00:02:34.459 Alan Thawley: so, obviously, that would need agreement,

25 00:02:35.030 --> 00:02:53.729 Alan Thawley: from them, so I'm happy to try and convene that meeting. But the other thing, because I know a couple of the parishes are looking at installing charging on their, community buildings. I think that's the case for Western Turville, and also definitely the case for Stoke Mandeville.

26 00:02:54.120 --> 00:03:01.760 Alan Thawley: And it would be… very good if, they would get in touch with Zimbal.

27 00:03:01.940 --> 00:03:05.580 Alan Thawley: to talk about the charging, because Zimbal also installed charging.

28 00:03:05.720 --> 00:03:10.480 Alan Thawley: And the point of that is that,

29 00:03:10.770 --> 00:03:24.299 Alan Thawley: Obviously, Zimbal bill uses for, any battery they use over and above the little bit you get with each booking, and they bill it at something like 31 pence per kilowatt.

30 00:03:24.380 --> 00:03:35.880 Alan Thawley: And so obviously, if these vehicles are having to be charged from a third-party charger, especially a fast charger, that's going to be charged at, kind of, 80 pence a kilowatt.

31 00:03:35.970 --> 00:03:48.400 Alan Thawley: So the maths don't really work in that case. So definitely, if it's not too late, definitely talk to them before signing an agreement with a third-party charge provider.

32 00:03:49.100 --> 00:04:05.949 Alan Thawley: And I suppose the other thing, just for, transparency I should point out, is that I'm now gonna do some work for Zimbal myself, as… in terms of trying to get them in touch with other parish councils in the local area. So I'm… I… I was a…

33 00:04:06.160 --> 00:04:13.080 Alan Thawley: Even when I started this process, I was working for them, but only delivering the cars, but now I'm doing this extra work for them.

34 00:04:13.230 --> 00:04:14.600 Alan Thawley: Just so you all know.

35 00:04:14.760 --> 00:04:15.860 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Simon.

36 00:04:16.070 --> 00:04:17.339 Alan Thawley: That's basically it for me, yeah.

37 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:41.919 3. Rachel Blackmore: That's super helpful, because we haven't had… our charges fell through in Western Turville Car Park by the Village Hall, because Bucks hadn't, something went wrong with the supplier. So do you think at this point, I could say to Bucks, can you, can we use Zimbal? Is it something… are we saying to Bucks, we'd rather have Zimbal than you, or, or have Zimbal somewhere else, or as well as?

38 00:04:42.630 --> 00:04:47.940 Alan Thawley: I don't know, it depends on what you agreed with Bucks. What was their… what was their proposal?

39 00:04:48.420 --> 00:05:01.189 3. Rachel Blackmore: They were putting charges in, and they were going to find a contractor, so I guess they would be getting the money from it. Did you… do you know any more of that? Turn it over to Ben, because he… Oh, yeah, Ben, you're our expert.

40 00:05:01.190 --> 00:05:08.960 Ben B: Yeah, so they might have to rerun the competition, for the procurement, so we can certainly mention Zimbal then.

41 00:05:09.400 --> 00:05:11.819 Ben B: And obviously get,

42 00:05:12.180 --> 00:05:24.249 Ben B: get the procurement, details and forward them, potentially. So, I think that's fine, but they were approaching central government to try and reuse the money.

43 00:05:24.710 --> 00:05:27.449 Ben B: For the procurement, so… yeah.

44 00:05:27.450 --> 00:05:30.640 Alan Thawley: And don't they have a Levi? Is it called Levi?

45 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:33.599 Ben B: Haven't heard of Levi, no.

46 00:05:33.660 --> 00:05:37.739 Alan Thawley: I think those are the… that was the central government grant that they won to install

47 00:05:38.060 --> 00:05:44.220 Alan Thawley: Charging in their car parks, but presumably this is your car park.

48 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.460 Ben B: It is, yeah, the parish… parish council, yeah.

49 00:05:47.710 --> 00:05:52.220 Alan Thawley: Okay, well, if you could, yeah, clarify the situation.

50 00:05:52.450 --> 00:06:01.509 Ben B: Yeah, we've been trying to for about 6 months, so… when we know, we'll certainly pass it on. But yeah, it's a great idea, it's a good idea to combine the two.

51 00:06:01.510 --> 00:06:08.879 Alan Thawley: Excellent. Well, if you want to talk to Zimbal about charging, what they can offer, that would make sense, yeah.

52 00:06:09.060 --> 00:06:21.489 3. Rachel Blackmore: If Bucks went with Zimbal in our car park, would we still get the 31p kilowatt? Would we just be able to liaise directly with Zimbal, or would Bucks come in and muscle in and take…

53 00:06:21.650 --> 00:06:24.180 3. Rachel Blackmore: A cut or something to up the price.

54 00:06:24.440 --> 00:06:29.210 Alan Thawley: work if Bucks… I'm not sure why Bucks would be involved.

55 00:06:29.910 --> 00:06:32.689 3. Rachel Blackmore: They wouldn't have to be involved at all, we'd just sort it directly.

56 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:49.559 3. Rachel Blackmore: Because we could… it's our choice, I suppose, isn't it? We had quite a long hoo-ha process, didn't we, Ben, about agreeing between us and another parish to say that we would… it was getting a lawyer to say that we would both, get sorted at the same time, but .

57 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:55.100 Ben B: Yeah, I think Bucks is paying for the installation, so they're using some of that money for the install.

58 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.180 Ben B: And running it, but I haven't seen the details, personally.

59 00:06:59.590 --> 00:07:04.619 3. Rachel Blackmore: So if we had Zimbal, would that mean Box wouldn't be involved in the installation?

60 00:07:04.760 --> 00:07:07.430 Ben B: Potentially, but it would depend on the revenue share.

61 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:08.290 3. Rachel Blackmore: Right.

62 00:07:08.290 --> 00:07:09.290 Ben B: Basically, yeah.

63 00:07:09.790 --> 00:07:16.530 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thank you. Keep our liaise with you, Ben. And what sort of level of funding, Alan, do you need to start up?

64 00:07:17.350 --> 00:07:20.350 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That we mentioned from the parish councils.

65 00:07:20.350 --> 00:07:22.019 Alan Thawley: Yeah, I mean, it would,

66 00:07:22.220 --> 00:07:24.689 Alan Thawley: It… that would be a negotiation…

67 00:07:25.020 --> 00:07:35.360 Alan Thawley: between Zimbal and them, but you… as a rough idea for a two-car, it's about $35,000 for a year.

68 00:07:36.430 --> 00:07:37.210 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay.

69 00:07:38.210 --> 00:07:48.429 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, so obviously parish councils don't have that kind of money, to hand, unless they've planned it in the precept, which we haven't at the moment. So,

70 00:07:49.250 --> 00:07:53.989 3. Rachel Blackmore: Jules ideas, I guess it would… would you think alone, or a…

71 00:07:54.710 --> 00:08:02.610 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's a… that's a good question. I don't… it's probably not suitable for public works line board borrowing, which is infrastructure development.

72 00:08:02.910 --> 00:08:10.339 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I think, I mean, if you have general powers of competence as a council, you could start your own CIC.

73 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:18.510 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah. ACIC could be started as the custodian. I mean, again, I'm not quite sure of the… of Zimbal's legal form.

74 00:08:18.590 --> 00:08:26.669 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But it's a new one on me in terms of, startup costs for a carpooling business. It's not something I've done before.

75 00:08:26.740 --> 00:08:41.379 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So it would require a bit of research. I mean, that's one of the reasons I was asking about the amount, and I… I… I have an idea about a couple of things, but I think I'd need to research it a bit more before, before putting that… putting that as a proposal, you know?

76 00:08:41.940 --> 00:08:49.700 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yes, so… but Community Interest Company, that sounds… is that, the community put money in, and a bit like a loan?

77 00:08:50.090 --> 00:08:50.840 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Men…

78 00:08:50.970 --> 00:09:00.280 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Not… no, not particularly. And generally, if you're looking to raise capital via investment, withdrawable shares, that would be a community benefit society.

79 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.039 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which is… which is a possibility.

80 00:09:05.590 --> 00:09:16.999 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Going out on eth… like, doing a business plan, saying we want, you know, 4 pool cars by 2 parishes, we need to raise £70,000 startup capital, that's definitely a possibility.

81 00:09:17.060 --> 00:09:30.219 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Although, without a proven business model or evidence of revenue, it might be seen as a bit risky for that route. So I think probably would be trying to find grants.

82 00:09:31.520 --> 00:09:39.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Or, you know, there are… there are one or two, organizations that do start-up grants for businesses.

83 00:09:39.820 --> 00:09:53.550 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I'll, like I say, I'll do a bit of research, see how we might de-risk that, because I think finding 35 grand from a parish council, from reserves, will likely be difficult, I would imagine.

84 00:09:53.890 --> 00:09:59.479 Joolz | Community Climate Action: it wouldn't be voted for, yeah, I don't think, although we have reserves, I don't think I could get that passed. No.

85 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:00.290 3. Rachel Blackmore: interest.

86 00:10:00.290 --> 00:10:02.570 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it's a bit risky, yeah.

87 00:10:02.760 --> 00:10:09.380 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, and it's some considerable investment, so we need to try and de-risk that, I think, for the parish councils.

88 00:10:09.800 --> 00:10:14.029 3. Rachel Blackmore: Can I just ask, Alan, how did you manage it in Hadenham?

89 00:10:14.260 --> 00:10:18.190 Alan Thawley: Well, we had a climate emergency budget, basically.

90 00:10:18.750 --> 00:10:25.890 Alan Thawley: That's the way it worked. So we were a… we were in a position to be able to put that… that money in.

91 00:10:26.660 --> 00:10:33.030 Alan Thawley: And… I can't remember the exact details of it when…

92 00:10:33.470 --> 00:10:39.910 Alan Thawley: The idea was that it would decrease, during the first year, according to usage.

93 00:10:40.880 --> 00:10:51.290 Alan Thawley: So I think 35 was a… or whatever it finally was, I mean, that's just a ballpark. That would be a kind of worst-case scenario, if you see what I mean.

94 00:10:52.870 --> 00:10:53.450 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah.

95 00:10:55.210 --> 00:11:00.029 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, it'd be really interesting, Alan, to see how it works where you are over time.

96 00:11:00.250 --> 00:11:06.529 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Because the more we can evidence-based that, the less risk of it all, the less risky it becomes, so…

97 00:11:09.420 --> 00:11:13.110 3. Rachel Blackmore: I think Ellie wanted to say something. Ellie, you've got your hand up.

98 00:11:13.770 --> 00:11:15.139 3. Rachel Blackmore: You're muted.

99 00:11:16.530 --> 00:11:19.320 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Well, first, I think Sean has his hand up, if I'm not mistaken.

100 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:23.789 3. Rachel Blackmore: Oh, thank you. Sorry, I'm not… thank you, Sean. Yeah, sorry, I'm not being very honest here.

101 00:11:23.990 --> 00:11:35.430 Sean McCarthy: Just really briefly, is it useful for people to know what system has been implemented in Wendover? We've got, I don't know, 5 charges here.

102 00:11:35.620 --> 00:11:38.770 Sean McCarthy: Two of them on the,

103 00:11:38.900 --> 00:11:42.259 Sean McCarthy: Princess Mary Gate Estate, I can't remember where the others are.

104 00:11:42.380 --> 00:11:47.739 Sean McCarthy: a company called char.gy, I think.

105 00:11:49.730 --> 00:11:50.860 Sean McCarthy: Charlie? That's what?

106 00:11:51.830 --> 00:11:52.200 Ben B: Yes.

107 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:53.280 Alan Thawley: on the thing.

108 00:11:53.280 --> 00:11:58.819 Ben B: I've put that in the chat, Sean, so really good to see that in the chat, the article's there, if you want.

109 00:11:58.950 --> 00:12:01.849 Sean McCarthy: For everyone. But it's great to see that, really good.

110 00:12:02.050 --> 00:12:03.170 Ben B: Progress.

111 00:12:04.450 --> 00:12:09.359 Sean McCarthy: I think one of them's not working where I live, but apart from that, it's all good.

112 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:09.919 3. Rachel Blackmore: Great, thank you.

113 00:12:09.920 --> 00:12:14.259 Alan Thawley: Do you know what kind of charges they are? Are they fast ones, or are they just AC ones?

114 00:12:14.260 --> 00:12:18.079 Sean McCarthy: Don't know if that helps.

115 00:12:18.940 --> 00:12:20.760 Sean McCarthy: They're not fast ones, no.

116 00:12:23.490 --> 00:12:25.190 3. Rachel Blackmore: Maybe the 22.

117 00:12:25.410 --> 00:12:29.140 Ben B: Kilowatts. They're probably the… Yeah, 22 or 7, probably.

118 00:12:29.140 --> 00:12:30.339 Sean McCarthy: I think it's 7.

119 00:12:30.340 --> 00:12:31.120 Ben B: Yeah.

120 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:34.670 Sean McCarthy: I thought to myself, what's the point of that kind of thing?

121 00:12:36.020 --> 00:12:37.470 3. Rachel Blackmore: Overnight.

122 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:40.850 Justine Hamer: So… As part of the pilot we were running with,

123 00:12:40.850 --> 00:12:42.440 Sean McCarthy: Oh, sorry, Justine, sorry.

124 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:53.010 Justine Hamer: Now, as part of the pilot with Climate Action Wendover and Bucks Council, we had the, 10 on-street charging for people that don't have drives.

125 00:12:53.110 --> 00:12:57.079 Justine Hamer: And the lamppost charges as trials.

126 00:12:57.300 --> 00:13:01.710 Justine Hamer: So, it's about, sort of, I suppose, climate equality, you know, that…

127 00:13:02.370 --> 00:13:06.450 Justine Hamer: Just because you haven't got a driveway, you can still have an electric car, but…

128 00:13:06.450 --> 00:13:09.559 Sean McCarthy: It's a pilot… it's a pilot stage, so…

129 00:13:10.010 --> 00:13:11.830 Justine Hamer: We'll get the outcome.

130 00:13:12.260 --> 00:13:24.820 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, so we've all got scope for more from Zimbal for our car, yeah, car charging… EV share schemes, by the way. I'm talking like the Hatton, that's the… yeah, impressive.

131 00:13:24.820 --> 00:13:25.480 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Just…

132 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:26.160 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yep.

133 00:13:26.160 --> 00:13:39.950 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sorry, Rachel, could I… so, Alan, could I just kind of summarize for posterity, for the recording? The proposal is, the proposal is to introduce an electric vehicle carpooling scheme

134 00:13:40.180 --> 00:13:43.239 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In at least two parishes.

135 00:13:43.650 --> 00:13:45.959 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which were the two parishes?

136 00:13:46.700 --> 00:13:48.250 3. Rachel Blackmore: trustable, yep.

137 00:13:48.910 --> 00:14:01.690 Alan Thawley: Well, I think there was interest in all four, and the thing about, the Zimbal model is, unlike a car club where you go and pick it up, the Zimbal model includes delivery, so it would be feasible

138 00:14:02.010 --> 00:14:07.839 Alan Thawley: To, to have a scheme that, wherever it was based, it could cover all four.

139 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:09.500 3. Rachel Blackmore: Oh.

140 00:14:11.260 --> 00:14:12.230 3. Rachel Blackmore: Okay, great.

141 00:14:12.490 --> 00:14:16.390 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And you're looking at… if it was 2 cars per parish.

142 00:14:16.510 --> 00:14:20.470 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As an initial setup cost of around $35,000.

143 00:14:20.660 --> 00:14:21.829 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Is that right?

144 00:14:21.830 --> 00:14:23.539 Alan Thawley: That would… Per…

145 00:14:23.540 --> 00:14:25.079 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Per… per parish?

146 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.670 Alan Thawley: That would cover two… two cars would be the…

147 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:30.250 Joolz | Community Climate Action: the rough figure of 35, but… Right.

148 00:14:30.500 --> 00:14:38.760 Alan Thawley: which includes all the tech setup and getting… actually getting the vehicles, needs to be a kind of longer-term commitment.

149 00:14:39.020 --> 00:14:39.960 Alan Thawley: But…

150 00:14:40.780 --> 00:14:51.550 Alan Thawley: you wouldn't necessarily need to go in with 2 cars per parish. If you had 4 parishes, that's 8. And so, for us, at least initially, that… that would be too many.

151 00:14:51.810 --> 00:15:01.099 Alan Thawley: Sure. So you would start… I mean, you would start at a lower level and build up. As demand and usage grew, then you could add more vehicles, but,

152 00:15:01.430 --> 00:15:05.799 Alan Thawley: I would imagine, you would start with two, between all four. Sure.

153 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:07.520 3. Rachel Blackmore: All twos.

154 00:15:07.520 --> 00:15:20.690 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, so our challenge now is to, or for me anyway, to go away, and anyone else, is to go away and have a think about where we might get that startup capital from, to actually be able to start a scheme. And I think what I've heard is that

155 00:15:20.690 --> 00:15:31.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There's appetite for charging points already, and some perhaps already in progress in parishes, so there'll be space to store and park and charge.

156 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:37.099 3. Rachel Blackmore: And would the, the price for the second year be less?

157 00:15:38.250 --> 00:15:41.269 Alan Thawley: Well, I mean, ideally, they would start paying you.

158 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:42.100 3. Rachel Blackmore: Right.

159 00:15:42.100 --> 00:15:48.030 Alan Thawley: That would… that would be the ideal scenario. It would depend on usage and take-up and that sort of thing.

160 00:15:48.220 --> 00:15:50.609 Alan Thawley: So they have a… it's,

161 00:15:50.860 --> 00:15:57.540 Alan Thawley: A utilization figure of 50-60%, which means basically it's then paying for itself.

162 00:15:58.670 --> 00:16:20.529 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, I would think Wendover would be a good place to start, because they're a larger parish with a bigger amount of money, because Wendover's quite central for all four parishes, so we would all be able to have a trial of using the cars in Wendover. So if we all put a rep forward to discuss this from each parish and get in touch with you, Alan, we can…

163 00:16:20.530 --> 00:16:24.000 3. Rachel Blackmore: Have… just hear some more about it.

164 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:24.550 Alan Thawley: Yeah, definitely.

165 00:16:24.890 --> 00:16:25.700 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah.

166 00:16:26.540 --> 00:16:29.020 3. Rachel Blackmore: Does that sound a good next move as well?

167 00:16:29.420 --> 00:16:33.849 3. Rachel Blackmore: And then Jules on the… looking at… Looking at that as well.

168 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:35.939 3. Rachel Blackmore: Ellie, did you want to say something?

169 00:16:36.210 --> 00:16:51.340 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Yeah, but it was very tangent to the discussion, so I didn't want to disrupt the discussion, because the issue or the question of curbside charging, especially for people who don't have driveways, came up.

170 00:16:51.570 --> 00:17:04.739 Eli Kling [Wendover]: I'm not… I'm empathetic, but for some reason or other, I watched part of the debate in the laws about this particular topic, because there's a law that's being proposed and going through.

171 00:17:05.050 --> 00:17:07.650 Eli Kling [Wendover]: The houses owned exactly.

172 00:17:07.780 --> 00:17:08.910 Eli Kling [Wendover]: enabling.

173 00:17:09.040 --> 00:17:11.179 Eli Kling [Wendover]: People without dry voice to have.

174 00:17:11.670 --> 00:17:12.224 Eli Kling [Wendover]: M…

175 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:26.369 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Charging points, so it could theoretically become easier, and we need to be mindful of, or knowledgeable of what's going on, so we can use it in our materials, so the moment this becomes a law, we can push it.

176 00:17:26.380 --> 00:17:35.189 Eli Kling [Wendover]: More interestingly, as a side note, one of the key amendments that was discussed and very much supported by all sides.

177 00:17:35.280 --> 00:17:40.330 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Was to ensure that these on…

178 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:48.600 Eli Kling [Wendover]: The pavement on the curbside charges are accessible for people with wheelchairs or other disabilities.

179 00:17:49.080 --> 00:17:52.550 Eli Kling [Wendover]: It was fascinating, that debate, but I think…

180 00:17:52.670 --> 00:17:57.250 Eli Kling [Wendover]: That if you are in the midst of, doing a,

181 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:05.439 Eli Kling [Wendover]: a review, trying to figure out charging points in parking lots or whatever, it would give a significant boost

182 00:18:05.550 --> 00:18:07.810 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Or it could be a good criteria.

183 00:18:07.970 --> 00:18:15.290 Eli Kling [Wendover]: To ensure that those are accessible for all different types of disabilities.

184 00:18:15.450 --> 00:18:17.600 Eli Kling [Wendover]: And I could also,

185 00:18:17.840 --> 00:18:21.590 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Get more grants from places that you didn't expect?

186 00:18:27.700 --> 00:18:33.219 Alan Thawley: Yeah, I don't know if there's any kind of standard, for accessibility for chargers.

187 00:18:33.970 --> 00:18:43.199 Eli Kling [Wendover]: No, but they're trying to talk… I mean, in that discussion, they raised some points about it, and there's obvious things, like, for instance.

188 00:18:43.490 --> 00:18:47.780 Eli Kling [Wendover]: A person who gets off the car with the wheelchair should be able to get

189 00:18:48.470 --> 00:18:56.940 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Through the charger, therefore you need to have a lowered… if it's a curbside, a lowered curbside that you can get to it, that the charger should be facing

190 00:18:57.030 --> 00:19:15.189 Eli Kling [Wendover]: the pavement and not the car, logical things like that. And there's the height also, which… but it's not complicated, but the moment you take into account all those things, and you say, we are going to… when we're doing the bid, we're going to make sure that a significant part of it will be accessible to all.

191 00:19:15.490 --> 00:19:29.590 Eli Kling [Wendover]: wider parking lot spaces in a parking lot, then you would probably get more… more opportunities for more grants from places that are more focused on accessibility rather than being green.

192 00:19:30.230 --> 00:19:38.539 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Sally. That's… that's helpful to look into, yeah, grants through that, and also to be aware, when we're getting more charges.

193 00:19:38.540 --> 00:19:41.310 Eli Kling [Wendover]: I mean, I'll just say…

194 00:19:41.530 --> 00:19:47.579 Eli Kling [Wendover]: people in England Keynes that… totally different topic, right? I was looking into toilets for the allotments.

195 00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:56.589 Eli Kling [Wendover]: And the guys in Minton Keynes got the budget for their allotment… for their allotment toilets, because they created a whole setup around accessibility.

196 00:19:57.170 --> 00:20:02.499 3. Rachel Blackmore: Great, so that's a good thing to bear in mind and look into. Thanks, thanks, Ellie, we've made a note of that.

197 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:09.900 3. Rachel Blackmore: I think that's probably most of our, EV… share.

198 00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:22.009 3. Rachel Blackmore: discussion, so I'm going to move on, if everybody's okay, to active travel. We haven't got our… we haven't got Damien here, but we have had some really good

199 00:20:22.040 --> 00:20:45.590 3. Rachel Blackmore: meets, two really good meetings. One was the early morning bike ride that, Helen on our screens there came on, which was wonderful. And we took out a couple of bucks officers and the Taylor Wimpey liaison person. So we've put in these requests to link the bike paths around Western Turbo with Wendover.

200 00:20:45.690 --> 00:20:50.040 3. Rachel Blackmore: And Aylesbury. And everywhere, Aylesbury, the towns.

201 00:20:50.040 --> 00:21:10.569 3. Rachel Blackmore: And then we had a great HS2 meeting with Andy Band, who's, pushing HS2 and his team to put the cycle… it's not even on their maps, the cycle links across HS2 to link up with Greenway, which is ludicrous. So we've all filled it… everybody at that meeting, we took our form and

202 00:21:10.600 --> 00:21:27.749 3. Rachel Blackmore: did it, either did it on the paper or online. So my question to Jules is, having emailed these people who came on our morning bike ride, we've got these key people, they, haven't as yet responded. Any… Box transport officers.

203 00:21:27.890 --> 00:21:43.290 3. Rachel Blackmore: Two of which, as Rachel said, attended the early morning bike ride, and we did discuss with them things like widening the pavements so that it could be both for bikes and pedestrians, and…

204 00:21:43.570 --> 00:21:50.780 3. Rachel Blackmore: modifying the Hamden Fields Plan so as to bring a cycle route through there.

205 00:21:50.940 --> 00:21:52.330 3. Rachel Blackmore: to.

206 00:21:52.330 --> 00:22:12.569 Joolz | Community Climate Action: West End, so that it's not, coming out on a road that doesn't have a cycle route. So those two were quite cheap. Please, can we have a shared-use pavement, so pushing for things that are fairly cheap, because we know that, obviously dedicated cycle paths, such as they've got in Wendover to Aylesbury, are very expensive.

207 00:22:12.610 --> 00:22:26.949 3. Rachel Blackmore: And the other fairly cheap thing was linking an existing footpath to make it bike usable. So they were very interested in all of these things, and we've got the details written out.

208 00:22:27.040 --> 00:22:37.009 3. Rachel Blackmore: So they know what it is we're asking for, and it's not hugely expensive, and they seem very, they seem to be in agreement with us that, yes, that is a good thing. It's just,

209 00:22:37.220 --> 00:22:42.490 3. Rachel Blackmore: How to… do you badger them every two weeks, do you?

210 00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:54.639 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Do you keep? Yeah, that's kind of how long is a piece of string. I think two weeks is an appropriate amount of time to ask a question, and wait, and be patient. So yes, I would send a chasing email.

211 00:22:55.620 --> 00:23:00.579 Joolz | Community Climate Action: At some point, if you don't hear, fine, get their boss's email and CC them.

212 00:23:00.830 --> 00:23:06.720 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And if you still don't hear, find the cabinet member's email and CC them, and if you still don't hear, call the paper.

213 00:23:07.430 --> 00:23:14.929 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thank you, excellent, excellent. Because we had the paper there on the day, we put your article out and went… well, only when the news… I mean.

214 00:23:14.930 --> 00:23:15.480 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fabulous.

215 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:30.730 3. Rachel Blackmore: Wendover, that's what I'm denigrating, isn't it? Wendover news, but… Yes, no, that's great. Bucks Harold didn't come along, but we can send it to Bucks Harold. Jules, have you got any experience of accessing funding for things like upgrading of footpaths to make them joint use?

216 00:23:32.270 --> 00:23:43.030 Joolz | Community Climate Action: No, not, not specifically, and that can be quite difficult, depending on who claims responsibility for the footpath.

217 00:23:43.220 --> 00:23:55.929 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So it might be the landowner, it might be the highways department, in terms of bridalways, or it might just be the parish council. So we've got some that we're responsible for keeping open. We've got others that farmers do.

218 00:23:56.310 --> 00:24:00.830 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So no, not specifically, but,

219 00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:14.060 Joolz | Community Climate Action: there is a possibility. So, for things like that, I would suggest that's kind of where the surplus wants to start to go from community renewable energy projects, so it'll fund, the creation of a cycle path.

220 00:24:15.810 --> 00:24:16.690 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thank you.

221 00:24:17.250 --> 00:24:23.759 3. Rachel Blackmore: So that's probably, all for active travel. Had anybody else got anything to join in?

222 00:24:23.760 --> 00:24:34.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The only other thing I'd add to that is there is the possibility, as a… as a parish council, is increasing the precept on your council tax to pay for… to pay for a cycleway like that.

223 00:24:34.620 --> 00:24:40.230 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yes, oh yes, we did talk about that beforehand, didn't we? Paint… just paint to get it done ourselves.

224 00:24:40.230 --> 00:24:43.499 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I seem to remember Grant I saw, but I'd have to look… I'd have to look that up.

225 00:24:44.280 --> 00:24:54.970 3. Rachel Blackmore: I know we're already upping our precept by 15%, so probably more than that won't be popular this year, but maybe another time we can work on getting it funded. Sean, you've got your hand up.

226 00:24:54.970 --> 00:25:14.820 Sean McCarthy: I was just going to ask George, you mentioned farmers there. That's my doorbell ringing. You mentioned farmers there. What's the argument with them that they would turn over a strip of farmland? Because there are a couple of dangerous roads around here that abut to a farmer. There's no path there, at all. Sure. How does that work?

227 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:19.499 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It depends on the relationship with the farmer and the individual.

228 00:25:19.750 --> 00:25:22.880 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Many of them are… Lovely people.

229 00:25:23.340 --> 00:25:24.050 Sean McCarthy: Yes, yeah.

230 00:25:24.050 --> 00:25:28.340 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, so the first, the first thing is just to start a conversation.

231 00:25:28.560 --> 00:25:31.929 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And sometimes they will turn over a strip of land.

232 00:25:32.470 --> 00:25:35.599 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To a cycle path, or similar.

233 00:25:35.970 --> 00:25:52.289 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Particularly if that lane will be forever known as Barnard's Lane or something. You know, and so they're remembered in perpetuity, and also loved by the village kind of thing. We've got… where we are, we've got footpaths and bridal paths, obviously, that are officially

234 00:25:52.350 --> 00:26:00.129 Joolz | Community Climate Action: paths that go across farmers' fields, and our farmers will maintain those for it on our behalf, generally.

235 00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:05.170 Sean McCarthy: I'm just wondering whether they could get some, funding…

236 00:26:05.620 --> 00:26:06.180 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hmm.

237 00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:08.950 Sean McCarthy: You know, it's not really agricultural, but .

238 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:13.759 Joolz | Community Climate Action: No, that's right. Don't think so.

239 00:26:13.760 --> 00:26:15.010 Sean McCarthy: I don't think so.

240 00:26:16.110 --> 00:26:29.789 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But if they were providing the land, that has a value, and I seem to remember I did see something, grant funding, and it might have been… there's an active travel fund that's just come and gone.

241 00:26:29.890 --> 00:26:38.300 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That was allocated, and various local authorities bid for the money from government, so I'll just have to… have to have a look at that, and see how it might be funded.

242 00:26:39.770 --> 00:26:40.130 Sean McCarthy: Thank you.

243 00:26:40.130 --> 00:26:40.750 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, what kind.

244 00:26:40.750 --> 00:26:47.349 3. Rachel Blackmore: In theory, yeah, say you can have that strip of land if you pay us a certain amount of money to,

245 00:26:47.550 --> 00:26:49.259 3. Rachel Blackmore: Highways, or whoever's.

246 00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:55.170 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, I think you could probably negotiate a strip of land from the farmer.

247 00:26:55.360 --> 00:27:00.810 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For, literally, for them gifting it to the parish.

248 00:27:01.110 --> 00:27:02.740 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As long as it doesn't…

249 00:27:03.060 --> 00:27:12.040 Joolz | Community Climate Action: significantly, hamper, farming of the field. So if it's just a sort of edge, then they may well just say yes.

250 00:27:12.320 --> 00:27:13.959 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Have it. Definitely.

251 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:23.550 Sean McCarthy: That's where you get the conflict of interests, that you… you might be getting rid of a bit of biodiversity there, if it's a ditch or something like that, so…

252 00:27:24.750 --> 00:27:25.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Possibly.

253 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:28.449 Sean McCarthy: Yeah, I'm just gonna rush downstairs.

254 00:27:28.870 --> 00:27:31.179 3. Rachel Blackmore: See if they're still at your door.

255 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:43.899 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thank… thank you, everybody, on that one. I'm going to switch order now, as Francis isn't back for Community Energy. I just lost Jules. Oh, dear, I lost… No, Jill, he's there. Yeah, I'm here.

256 00:27:43.900 --> 00:27:51.650 3. Rachel Blackmore: I've shuffled, I think it's just Sean's screen's gone. So, retrofits, Retrofit Homes, Malcolm.

257 00:27:51.650 --> 00:28:03.319 MalcolmAllison: Hi, thanks very much. We've had two meetings so far. The second one, David and I had a kind of similar sense. There's such a lot of information out there, the challenge is to try and get it into some order.

258 00:28:03.460 --> 00:28:11.090 MalcolmAllison: And simplify things. A very nice piece that David dug out from, a Hertfordshire approach.

259 00:28:11.670 --> 00:28:13.840 MalcolmAllison: We have to get something simple.

260 00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:21.350 MalcolmAllison: Which is going to be easy for people to understand, so that they will commit themselves to being part of this.

261 00:28:21.560 --> 00:28:34.849 MalcolmAllison: right now, we seem to have so much information out there, and an awful lot of people just aren't able to get their feet into this to make any progress. So, there's a very nice message, which I think I'll put together a bit more.

262 00:28:35.030 --> 00:28:39.890 MalcolmAllison: about how Hertfordshire has been using their post to increase

263 00:28:40.060 --> 00:28:43.370 MalcolmAllison: Engagement by making things really simple.

264 00:28:43.790 --> 00:28:45.849 MalcolmAllison: So that they can see what can be done.

265 00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:52.639 MalcolmAllison: Because at the moment, it feels like there are so many pieces floating around, undergoing Brownian motion, almost.

266 00:28:52.690 --> 00:29:08.720 MalcolmAllison: With no clear guidance. So, first step for us is to simplify the guidance, because we can see at least three particular ways of moving forward. One is to take a street in parishes somewhere, or maybe two streets.

267 00:29:08.770 --> 00:29:13.540 MalcolmAllison: Where there's a limited number of people who can be engaged and who can work together.

268 00:29:13.600 --> 00:29:23.269 MalcolmAllison: And who can benefit from being together by taking steps where there are advantages of economies of scale and the like, or where one can be a model for others.

269 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:29.200 MalcolmAllison: Thus which the community will be built more strongly, because of the relationships between the people undergoing that exercise.

270 00:29:29.820 --> 00:29:37.610 MalcolmAllison: The second one was to see whether we can build up the coterie of heroes, people who are genuine,

271 00:29:37.910 --> 00:29:42.629 MalcolmAllison: Environmental and carbon, elimination.

272 00:29:42.930 --> 00:29:48.279 MalcolmAllison: Heroes. Get more of those who can work and start their own fires.

273 00:29:48.500 --> 00:29:55.940 MalcolmAllison: And the third one was to say that… say that the people who are really going to be influenced by this, or affected by this, there's no one on the line at the moment.

274 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:04.969 MalcolmAllison: It's the children or grandchildren of the people online at the moment, and therefore, could we do more through schools and colleges to

275 00:30:05.260 --> 00:30:09.919 MalcolmAllison: Respond to the excitement or the curiosity that's been there.

276 00:30:11.300 --> 00:30:20.029 MalcolmAllison: So, those are the three we've had to take in. The first issue we have to face is what I talked about at the beginning, that we recognize there's so much out there

277 00:30:20.390 --> 00:30:23.020 MalcolmAllison: But it's like… Cocoa Pops.

278 00:30:23.270 --> 00:30:25.180 MalcolmAllison: People see these little bursts.

279 00:30:25.370 --> 00:30:31.160 MalcolmAllison: They're not seeing anything which can be followed consistently and simply for them.

280 00:30:31.390 --> 00:30:32.720 MalcolmAllison: So, we're going to look

281 00:30:33.180 --> 00:30:40.809 MalcolmAllison: quite hard at what the Hertfordshire team have done. It does look good. It's a simple series of processes.

282 00:30:41.030 --> 00:30:44.870 MalcolmAllison: And I think having heard more about the apps and what else is available.

283 00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:51.879 MalcolmAllison: a paper version that we've, you know, given access to, which is the transition streets approach.

284 00:30:52.150 --> 00:30:57.099 MalcolmAllison: Looks to be simple enough that people can get to understand it.

285 00:30:57.520 --> 00:31:08.569 MalcolmAllison: And that using that approach, starting with the really simple things, ways of improving the efficiency of insulation in houses, cheap processes.

286 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.279 MalcolmAllison: That can help people to make a difference.

287 00:31:12.390 --> 00:31:16.579 MalcolmAllison: On two grants. First, reducing their energy, and secondly, saving the money.

288 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:18.460 MalcolmAllison: So we'll look to do that.

289 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:27.039 MalcolmAllison: But, I think… What we see as another, if you like, break is that getting

290 00:31:27.800 --> 00:31:31.030 MalcolmAllison: An assessment of the energy consumption of a house.

291 00:31:31.370 --> 00:31:36.370 MalcolmAllison: And the areas of inefficiency require some kind of consultant engagement.

292 00:31:36.580 --> 00:31:43.429 MalcolmAllison: We have to look at ways we can do that, either through volunteer organisations or something. So, step one.

293 00:31:43.690 --> 00:31:47.910 MalcolmAllison: Simplify the process, Follow something that really works.

294 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:49.320 MalcolmAllison: Step 2.

295 00:31:49.860 --> 00:32:01.489 MalcolmAllison: find a way for the people who do show interest to see the energy efficiency of their properties and see the gaps they have, and then solve those issues. So, some progress,

296 00:32:01.930 --> 00:32:14.140 MalcolmAllison: I think it feels clearer now. I think 3 days or 2 days later, when the dust settled, and on the basis of the notes you've given, David, I feel more confident that we can follow it. So that's…

297 00:32:14.490 --> 00:32:15.800 MalcolmAllison: Simple process.

298 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:19.900 MalcolmAllison: That will enable us to attract more people.

299 00:32:20.280 --> 00:32:28.460 MalcolmAllison: Finding a way of getting some level of consultancy engagement for people to actually get their houses assessed, And…

300 00:32:28.570 --> 00:32:35.140 MalcolmAllison: Thirdly, Choosing either to do the street approach.

301 00:32:35.600 --> 00:32:44.040 MalcolmAllison: Or to use these simple steps to engage more people who could become heroes, and that we can start a wider range of things.

302 00:32:44.260 --> 00:32:48.169 MalcolmAllison: I think… does that make sense? Is that about where we…

303 00:32:48.170 --> 00:32:48.930 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, good feedback.

304 00:32:48.930 --> 00:33:02.899 3. Rachel Blackmore: I spoke to the, the guy from Transition Streets in Totnes yesterday. It's all beautifully laid out in that book, and theirs, interestingly, were less than the whole street. There were about eight.

305 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:18.619 3. Rachel Blackmore: Who, pretty much as we were talking about at our meeting on Monday, that the… you invite people, and they come together, and you get a bunch who are enthusiastic, and it's a step-by-step, it's so clear, so we don't really need to reinvent the wheel, so… Exactly. Yeah.

306 00:33:18.620 --> 00:33:31.170 MalcolmAllison: Exactly, I think that's where we were coming to. It's nice, and it's simple. The more complicated the technology and the things get, the faster we lose people who could be captured early on.

307 00:33:31.370 --> 00:33:40.960 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, and we did talk, didn't we, about finding out what's happening already, in terms of EPC ratings, which, you were, what did you want to do, Dave? I'm just looking at this.

308 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:51.659 3. Rachel Blackmore: Oh, okay. So, there is a way of making it, that's it, smaller. So if you just click the red box, you'll get rid of it, click red, it'll just go down to where it was before.

309 00:33:51.970 --> 00:33:57.059 3. Rachel Blackmore: If you wanted some guidance on finding… was there more on the parish…

310 00:33:57.350 --> 00:34:08.190 3. Rachel Blackmore: way of finding more detailed EPC ratings. Do we need our own parish system to find out the EPC ratings, Jules, or…

311 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.950 3. Rachel Blackmore: Is it something we can do, or do we have to pay to subscribe to something?

312 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.739 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, there's a couple of routes,

313 00:34:17.670 --> 00:34:21.659 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You can get a 3-month free trial with Parish Online.

314 00:34:22.100 --> 00:34:22.920 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thanks.

315 00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:32.779 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then, yes, potentially subscribe to it moving forward. I don't know what the cost is for a subscription, because it varies depending on the number of households.

316 00:34:33.060 --> 00:34:33.420 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah.

317 00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.089 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Our parish pays about £70 a year.

318 00:34:36.250 --> 00:34:39.400 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But we've only got 300 or so homes.

319 00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:40.449 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yet.

320 00:34:40.889 --> 00:34:50.559 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, it'd be probably upwards from that. That will show you the EPC data, where EPCs exist. Of course, not every house has an EPC.

321 00:34:51.069 --> 00:35:10.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There is a cheaper route where there's, an open source website, because it's… it's open gov… EPC data is open government data, where you can put in a postcode and download an Excel and get the EPCs. So, you know, there is a free route, and… but Parish and online is perhaps a little bit more elegant.

322 00:35:10.739 --> 00:35:17.819 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It actually shows you on a map where it is, and it, you know, a free trial, you know, can't hurt if you want to look at EPCs.

323 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.829 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And yeah, what I heard from Malcolm was fantastic.

324 00:35:22.269 --> 00:35:40.549 Joolz | Community Climate Action: from my perspective, the building the community bit is the hard yards, so I'd start… I'd definitely go street by street, you know, neighbours and neighbourhood, and start with a coffee morning and knocking on doors and just saying hi. And it is very much… the message is, you know, would you like to save money?

325 00:35:42.009 --> 00:35:51.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, and then there are government grants available, so I just looked at government grants, both from a tenant's perspective and a homeowner's perspective.

326 00:35:51.619 --> 00:36:00.519 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I think provided you're earning under $31,000 a year, you can qualify for free panels, cavity wall insulation, loft insulation.

327 00:36:01.109 --> 00:36:04.699 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Just from government grants at the moment, yeah.

328 00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:11.149 Joolz | Community Climate Action: helpfully put… Energy advice in the chat.

329 00:36:11.549 --> 00:36:20.239 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the only other thing I'd mention on that, really, is perhaps you might want to consider an energy redress scheme grant application.

330 00:36:20.989 --> 00:36:23.469 MalcolmAllison: That might help you fund…

331 00:36:23.469 --> 00:36:29.139 Joolz | Community Climate Action: An energy champion, and or that those, you know, those, that, those kind of assessors?

332 00:36:29.609 --> 00:36:36.559 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Because that is really important. Our county is funding A retrofit assessment.

333 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:44.359 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the energy reject screen might lend itself to that. It's… Quaked.

334 00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:51.379 Joolz | Community Climate Action: An arduous application, and they very unhelpfully pay quarterly in arrears.

335 00:36:52.099 --> 00:37:00.150 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, you know, if you've got a project that's £200,000, for instance, you've got to have 50 grand cash in the bank to cover…

336 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:16.039 Joolz | Community Climate Action: trading activity before you can claim it back. So it makes it awkward, and you also have to have a threshold of over 100,000 as an organization, and so it makes it very difficult to qualify. So we're looking at that, but we're looking at it in conjunction with the local authority.

337 00:37:16.120 --> 00:37:21.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And they will probably be the custodian, if you like, of .

338 00:37:21.620 --> 00:37:25.169 MalcolmAllison: Of that, because they can help fund it, so that might be an option.

339 00:37:25.170 --> 00:37:27.109 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We're just exploring that at the moment.

340 00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:27.939 MalcolmAllison: To be fair.

341 00:37:27.940 --> 00:37:39.289 3. Rachel Blackmore: We had an energy assessor with us at our zoo… on our in-person meeting, didn't we, Malcolm? We did. Owen. He came… he came… oh, he was going to come on our… yeah, lovely Owen. He was going to come on our workshop.

342 00:37:39.550 --> 00:37:50.930 3. Rachel Blackmore: And then he's had a funeral, because in Ireland, they tend to be quite quick, you know, fairly short notice, he couldn't come, but, he, yeah, he's been coming to our meetings, which is great.

343 00:37:51.390 --> 00:37:59.559 MalcolmAllison: Yeah, I think the challenge for us of all things that would be complicated to get a grant is that that's going to delay us in some way.

344 00:37:59.610 --> 00:38:10.490 MalcolmAllison: I think if we took the street approach, and we ended up with 6 or 10 houses, and some of those would be council-owned and otherwise, we can probably

345 00:38:10.490 --> 00:38:20.779 MalcolmAllison: focus on addressing the needs of those individuals and see what is available for that. I would say that that's going to be the more effective, because once we've got an example up and running.

346 00:38:21.240 --> 00:38:24.149 MalcolmAllison: I think, I can't remember who was it, was it,

347 00:38:24.330 --> 00:38:39.500 MalcolmAllison: Lynn, who was it that said, in the… her area, in a street, somebody had had the panels done, and then gradually everybody else did? I think that's what happens if we can find a small… a small but active group

348 00:38:39.810 --> 00:38:48.890 MalcolmAllison: It will cover more than just the people in the group in that street. Others in the street will see the vans coming with windows in them.

349 00:38:49.030 --> 00:38:53.819 MalcolmAllison: And that will be enough of a stimulus to make them want to find out what's happening.

350 00:38:54.670 --> 00:38:59.510 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Absolutely, completely agree, and often can start off around a… around a coffee.

351 00:38:59.510 --> 00:39:00.170 MalcolmAllison: Exactly.

352 00:39:00.170 --> 00:39:03.869 Joolz | Community Climate Action: cup of tea and a chat, you know, let's, you know, build the community.

353 00:39:03.870 --> 00:39:09.989 MalcolmAllison: Very much the point. I think something from what you've been doing, which we felt very strongly about, was that if you do a street.

354 00:39:10.460 --> 00:39:14.920 MalcolmAllison: And it's in one of the videos from the, I think it's from the street,

355 00:39:14.970 --> 00:39:32.349 MalcolmAllison: property. Yeah, they… you have to listen. They actually didn't know each other. That's right, yeah. There was a couple of people who moved into an area, knew nobody, found that they were having coffee mornings with each other, they got to know each other a lot better, and you create a community. And if nothing else happens.

356 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:43.569 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's a big deal. It is, yeah, you know your neighbor, and you can call them in for a cup of sugar or something, yeah. Yeah, that, and that's the… that's the really lovely connecting bit. Yeah. Yeah.

357 00:39:44.010 --> 00:39:52.469 MalcolmAllison: I think that's where we got to. Any further thoughts on that, David? I think you and I were there for moments. We got a lot of it, but, anything I've missed?

358 00:39:52.840 --> 00:40:08.559 3. Rachel Blackmore: No, I don't think so. I mean, we've got this meeting with the local social housing provider, Fairhive, on Monday, so that'll give us an indication of the relative amount of social housing, and it'll be very interesting to

359 00:40:08.610 --> 00:40:14.850 3. Rachel Blackmore: See what they have done and what they're planning to do in terms of their route map going forwards.

360 00:40:14.930 --> 00:40:23.220 3. Rachel Blackmore: And, if they're… if they've already done some, air sales heat pumps, then… Maybe we could encourage…

361 00:40:23.430 --> 00:40:41.890 3. Rachel Blackmore: the, tenants in those houses to show them to other neighbours and, spread the word. So that was progress, having, we have, in fact, got in touch with and had a reply from, yeah, Fairhive, with an immediate offer of a, yeah, let's get together, so.

362 00:40:41.890 --> 00:40:53.090 MalcolmAllison: I think… great. So I think that does show that that route, I think, forward is quite good, because the properties we were looking at, some of them are going to be our fair height, and so it makes it easier.

363 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:54.040 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yep.

364 00:40:54.350 --> 00:40:55.880 MalcolmAllison: More likely to have an effect.

365 00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:09.100 3. Rachel Blackmore: encourage each other and work together, so that's, that's really good. Yeah, so I think that's… Over to Sean. Over to Sean for… I think that's the end for retrofit homes. Over to Sean for biodiversity.

366 00:41:09.100 --> 00:41:23.409 Sean McCarthy: Okay, we had a, a Zoom call, was it two Thursdays ago, and I can see some, regular faces on this call who attended that as well, thank you very much.

367 00:41:23.410 --> 00:41:32.910 Sean McCarthy: Basically, what we were looking at is how do we build, a community that will…

368 00:41:32.970 --> 00:41:45.539 Sean McCarthy: come up with the challenges that we're looking for. So, we're looking at what do we really mean by biodiversity, and one of the questions that we… a number of questions we had

369 00:41:45.540 --> 00:42:05.239 Sean McCarthy: were… do we… do we look at this from the point of view of, A, what our interests are, or B, what expertise we've got, or, more important, what is… what is actually important, and how that aligns to maybe the Bucks, local nature recovery, strategy.

370 00:42:05.300 --> 00:42:18.800 Sean McCarthy: And so, we… I think we came to the conclusion, that we should try and identify, important issues that aren't being done by somewhere… someone else, because one of the key things that came out of the meeting

371 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:28.830 Sean McCarthy: Was just the sheer number of, nature-based, organizations and levels

372 00:42:28.830 --> 00:42:45.210 Sean McCarthy: of interest at, you know, from DEFRA down to, you know, local councils, then parishes, and then community groups, and then you've got literally hundreds. You've got people interested in bees, others interested in ivy, others interested in

373 00:42:45.210 --> 00:42:50.090 Sean McCarthy: Chalk streams. So, which area do we focus?

374 00:42:50.090 --> 00:43:04.810 Sean McCarthy: in. And we felt that it was important to identify those areas that weren't getting the… that were important, so that we've got to build up a criteria framework. Those things that are important, that aren't being managed by somebody else already.

375 00:43:05.010 --> 00:43:18.499 Sean McCarthy: However, if we do identify things that, we can do, also identify those other organizations that are already expert in this, maybe in the next county, or the next parish, or…

376 00:43:18.500 --> 00:43:25.649 Sean McCarthy: So we can learn from them, and they're… or work with the national organizations.

377 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:34.469 Sean McCarthy: what we felt was that we needed to engage with Buck's Council, and their biodiversity team,

378 00:43:34.740 --> 00:43:49.019 Sean McCarthy: We're very fortunate, actually, in having someone in our group who works for the Environment Agency in exactly this area, and so she's, you know, she can advise us particularly technically. But, we had a very, brief meeting

379 00:43:49.020 --> 00:43:57.100 Sean McCarthy: Rachel already mentioned the HS2 meeting the other day. Greg Smith, the MP, attended that.

380 00:43:57.100 --> 00:44:00.809 Sean McCarthy: And so I've written to his assistant on…

381 00:44:00.810 --> 00:44:17.369 Sean McCarthy: from his introduction, to find the right people at Bucks County Council, to speak to, to understand what their, sort of, top-level, local nature recovery strategies are, and then feed up our interest from the bottom.

382 00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:34.850 Sean McCarthy: people like, Ellie and myself are interested in the, you know, the back-end data for this, less so, you know, going out and counting newts. We think other people will do that. However, there needs to be,

383 00:44:35.160 --> 00:44:50.260 Sean McCarthy: when particular projects are being identified, and we don't need that many, I mean, we're talking, you know, 3 or 6, or something like that, not hundreds, when the projects are being identified.

384 00:44:50.260 --> 00:45:01.210 Sean McCarthy: then who do we get to actually implement them? And we were discussing whether it could be part of DOV with the schools, or it could be…

385 00:45:01.210 --> 00:45:15.149 Sean McCarthy: other local societies, and again, it's sort of building relationships. But we haven't identified… one of the things I wanted to do at the meeting was identify specific projects. There are a couple going on that we're

386 00:45:15.150 --> 00:45:25.839 Sean McCarthy: we're aware of, like, for example, ivy, cutting back ivy, is a good example, and not under… not… and the people doing that, or the person doing that.

387 00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:37.289 Sean McCarthy: wants a kind of citizen science approach to that, to find out what happens if you cut ivy on one tree, but not another tree? Do you… evidently, there's not that much

388 00:45:37.430 --> 00:45:43.899 Sean McCarthy: specific data on that. However, I subsequently found out that Hartford

389 00:45:44.050 --> 00:45:54.040 Sean McCarthy: College and, Capel Manor, are a boricologist, and maybe we can get in touch with them. But it's, again, bringing in the experts for the specific

390 00:45:54.120 --> 00:46:06.459 Sean McCarthy: project we need, but it is identifying the project. And that actually brings me on to the last point, that I attended the food, meeting, a couple of days before that.

391 00:46:06.990 --> 00:46:25.629 Sean McCarthy: And there were so many overlaps that if we can provide the evidence that you want to grow apple trees, or whatever it is, or whatever you want to do on the food side, that would fit in very well as well. So, I see our little group as supporting other groups as well.

392 00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:27.399 Sean McCarthy: I think that's it.

393 00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:27.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Wow, crap.

394 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:29.300 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Sean.

395 00:46:29.570 --> 00:46:42.539 3. Rachel Blackmore: That's really helpful. So I might go on to, food, because, it was… with the, because we haven't got Joy here, yet, she said, so I said I'd…

396 00:46:42.540 --> 00:47:02.510 3. Rachel Blackmore: I'll fill in on that, because I can just see the end of our meeting. So, so we discussed with the different parishes the land that we've got, or would like to have for food. So you all have heard us talking as well, talking about that, won't you, Sean? I just, just go to her, I won't be able to do that without just going a little bit smaller and looking at the tab.

397 00:47:02.510 --> 00:47:12.159 3. Rachel Blackmore: Oh, I can't do that now, I'll just do it from memory. Yeah, but different, areas, and then looking at, what sort of projects people want to do within that.

398 00:47:12.210 --> 00:47:21.739 3. Rachel Blackmore: Within that area, so we've, we've had that first, first meeting. Can you, can you remember… oh, Justine, can you remember more? Were you there at the food meeting with Joy?

399 00:47:21.740 --> 00:47:24.170 Justine Hamer: I was, but I'm trying to…

400 00:47:24.170 --> 00:47:29.630 3. Rachel Blackmore: I've got the transcript ready to read, but yeah, it was a mistake being on one laptop, so I can't…

401 00:47:29.630 --> 00:47:30.779 Justine Hamer: to remember it.

402 00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:31.660 3. Rachel Blackmore: Soon.

403 00:47:31.660 --> 00:47:32.389 Justine Hamer: I mean, I think

404 00:47:33.270 --> 00:47:45.659 Justine Hamer: Joy mainly sort of just went through, and we did a sort of list of things we wanted to discuss in future meetings, but we did have quite a chat about, food resilience and

405 00:47:46.190 --> 00:48:00.800 Justine Hamer: community-supported agriculture and the farm… the… the farmer, grow your… grow your, growers, and… and the far… the farming, kind of, idea, that there might be an idea we could get some community farm land.

406 00:48:01.110 --> 00:48:04.419 Justine Hamer: And do a number of activities on it, whether it was

407 00:48:04.690 --> 00:48:18.210 Justine Hamer: provided some very small housing for local people, or energy support, or food resilience, or a combination of all three. So I know, Rachel, you've been chatting with…

408 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:21.830 Justine Hamer: Jane, and local farmers, and people…

409 00:48:21.830 --> 00:48:31.189 3. Rachel Blackmore: the farm? Yes, the farmer. So the farmer, we're due to meet to, talk about the possibility of renting land, but,

410 00:48:31.510 --> 00:48:34.339 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, sorry, it's gone in my head again. Not good.

411 00:48:34.340 --> 00:48:47.929 Justine Hamer: And also, I mean, from the, sort of, my own organization, Grow2Give, I mean, obviously, we'd want to try and get… and Sean had some ideas around that as well, but try and get a bit more, sort of.

412 00:48:48.330 --> 00:48:51.669 Justine Hamer: At least a bit more giving from the parishes that are involved.

413 00:48:51.670 --> 00:48:52.229 Sean McCarthy: Oops, yeah.

414 00:48:52.420 --> 00:49:02.200 Justine Hamer: local people in need, so… and have a bit more of a coordinated effort around that. So, I mean, I could help facilitate that from the Grove to Give side.

415 00:49:02.200 --> 00:49:18.429 Sean McCarthy: Just, just remember one quick discussion we had about allotments, and identifying the allotments, and, what surplus there was, and how that could be managed, and whether… and also, don't forget the, HS2 Cricket Ground, the old cricket ground.

416 00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:22.290 Sean McCarthy: Could that be part of this, you know, depending.

417 00:49:22.290 --> 00:49:22.690 Justine Hamer: Yeah.

418 00:49:22.690 --> 00:49:31.410 Sean McCarthy: what's going to happen with it, but oh, yeah, there… there are… and I remember Joy mentioned something about a charity, which I've forgotten the name of.

419 00:49:31.520 --> 00:49:41.839 Sean McCarthy: national charity that helps communities both buy and manage small holdings, I think. Yeah, the Plunkett Foundation. Plunkett Foundation, that's it, thank you.

420 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:56.889 Justine Hamer: has said as well, but we have got this interesting pilot of this local pilot of, through Ross Charles and other funding through, Buxom, which is this Grow the Grower, which is a… they're going to give people a basic income payment.

421 00:49:56.910 --> 00:50:07.279 Justine Hamer: And a full wraparound farming support to get new regenerative farmers up and running, and they're trying to do a matching process at the moment between…

422 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:17.140 Justine Hamer: People that would like to start farming, or have a small amount of experience farming, and want… and those that have land, and can be landowners that provide that land.

423 00:50:17.300 --> 00:50:26.449 Justine Hamer: So, I mean, that's what we were wondering, if we could kind of shoehorn into that with, this farmer that, you know, Rachel's going to speak with.

424 00:50:26.530 --> 00:50:40.280 Justine Hamer: With Jane, and, maybe try and get a piece of community farmland nearby, and a very ecological, grower who's going to be supported by this local funding group.

425 00:50:40.430 --> 00:50:43.029 Justine Hamer: So, whether it will come together, who knows?

426 00:50:43.270 --> 00:50:59.820 3. Rachel Blackmore: That was the one I was trying to remember, Grow the Grower. I send that information to our local farmers. I don't know what they made of it, but when I see them, I'll be able to. I invited, because there was a meeting for people who could give, wasn't there, as well as… it was specifically for that, because the deadline was the end of

427 00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:03.989 3. Rachel Blackmore: November, or now it's the first week in December, so…

428 00:51:03.990 --> 00:51:10.550 Justine Hamer: very tight deadlines. I mean, it seems a bit ridiculously tight, and then they go out to try and get the growers

429 00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:14.080 Justine Hamer: the other side of Christmas, don't they? But again, it's only about a month.

430 00:51:14.240 --> 00:51:23.749 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yes. But it'll go… the project will… will continue, won't it? So, if we join it a bit later, I'm sure, yeah, they're not going to turn people down. So.

431 00:51:23.750 --> 00:51:24.210 Justine Hamer: to learn.

432 00:51:24.210 --> 00:51:41.769 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thank you, thanks for remembering, feeding that back, Justine and Sean. That's, where we've got to with food. Community energy, we haven't got Francis, we're running low on time, but we've, again, we were… Dave and I were at that meeting, and they located

433 00:51:41.770 --> 00:51:55.559 3. Rachel Blackmore: a lot of places for community energy in Wendover, the big school, so we're going back to that. Could I just say that the site that they were thinking about originally, which was the former

434 00:51:55.600 --> 00:52:01.710 3. Rachel Blackmore: sewage plant in Wendover, which is managed by Thames Water.

435 00:52:01.720 --> 00:52:12.820 3. Rachel Blackmore: That they had a conversation… Justine, I don't know if she's still on… She's dropped off. Oh, right, okay. Had a conversation with them, and the conclusion

436 00:52:12.820 --> 00:52:27.340 3. Rachel Blackmore: On that was that it was best preserved for biodiversity, rather than considering it as a possible location for a community energy generating project.

437 00:52:27.600 --> 00:52:34.929 3. Rachel Blackmore: So the focus on community energy has now, I think, shifted more towards…

438 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:42.999 3. Rachel Blackmore: two ideas, one which was revisiting, something that Kirsty was doing a while back, which was…

439 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:51.090 3. Rachel Blackmore: what's called the Wharf Road Campus, combination of secondary school, a number of primary schools.

440 00:52:51.220 --> 00:52:57.639 3. Rachel Blackmore: and community buildings in Wendover, with a view to putting,

441 00:52:58.170 --> 00:53:00.929 3. Rachel Blackmore: Solar panels on the roofs of those.

442 00:53:01.430 --> 00:53:05.879 3. Rachel Blackmore: It, it progressed to a degree, but then…

443 00:53:06.080 --> 00:53:08.769 3. Rachel Blackmore: Got blocked by a combination of…

444 00:53:09.190 --> 00:53:22.569 3. Rachel Blackmore: the secondary school saying initially that they were going to go and do it alone, and they then didn't. And then Buck's Council wanting to overload all of their legal fees onto the project, which then made it not,

445 00:53:22.780 --> 00:53:24.450 3. Rachel Blackmore: economically viable.

446 00:53:24.600 --> 00:53:31.799 3. Rachel Blackmore: But, with some time having passed, I think Francis was keen to start the

447 00:53:32.200 --> 00:53:35.740 3. Rachel Blackmore: Dialogue again, certainly with the secondary school.

448 00:53:35.970 --> 00:53:41.969 3. Rachel Blackmore: And see if there could be progress on that. And then another one was with the idea of…

449 00:53:42.230 --> 00:53:46.020 3. Rachel Blackmore: solar panels for the car park in Wendover.

450 00:53:46.670 --> 00:54:02.860 3. Rachel Blackmore: And the library next to it, so that'd be… Yeah. So yeah, loads of ideas there, and then, the final, group education, they looked at what's already happening. So I don't know if you wanted to feed back on any of those jewels in our last…

451 00:54:02.890 --> 00:54:08.249 3. Rachel Blackmore: For anything you'd picked up there, and I'll ask. I don't know if there's anything I missed out on with that.

452 00:54:08.250 --> 00:54:12.329 Julie Lloyd-Evans: I could just add a couple of things, if you want me to talk about education.

453 00:54:12.510 --> 00:54:13.580 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thank you. Yes, please.

454 00:54:13.580 --> 00:54:24.889 Julie Lloyd-Evans: I'm gonna do it really quick, speed dating stuff. So, one… one of the things, just to pick up on the biodiversity group, so you mentioned D of E.

455 00:54:24.940 --> 00:54:37.149 Julie Lloyd-Evans: the… there's a… the government strategy on climate change, sustainability and Climate Change, has these Climate Action Awards, and, I don't fully understand how they…

456 00:54:37.350 --> 00:54:39.689 Julie Lloyd-Evans: because I've tried, but,

457 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:56.310 Julie Lloyd-Evans: I don't fully understand how they're going to be, kind of, implemented, but it will be through the Duke of Edinburgh John Muir Awards, and, kind of, Junior Foresters. So, existing awards, there will be an element of that.

458 00:54:56.550 --> 00:54:59.309 Julie Lloyd-Evans: So that would be a really good route to go down.

459 00:54:59.490 --> 00:55:16.380 Julie Lloyd-Evans: The other thing I just wanted to add on the biodiversity, which isn't directly linked to schools, is the work I did with Padbury… Greener Padbury Group, they managed to get group… they managed to get funding to get the woodland… To get beebout.

460 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:21.650 Julie Lloyd-Evans: To come and assess their woodland, which was…

461 00:55:21.850 --> 00:55:35.509 Julie Lloyd-Evans: a millennium woodland that had been planted without biodiversity at its core, and they wanted to, develop that. So they now do scallop… there's all sorts of things that they've put in place.

462 00:55:35.690 --> 00:55:46.339 Julie Lloyd-Evans: And they managed to get the parish council to support an alternative management. So, you might find a bit of land that is not managed brilliantly at the moment.

463 00:55:46.510 --> 00:55:53.550 Julie Lloyd-Evans: And it could be good for that. The other thing, if you're looking for places, another thing that's really key for schools

464 00:55:53.790 --> 00:55:56.999 Julie Lloyd-Evans: is this National Education Nature Park.

465 00:55:57.240 --> 00:56:09.629 Julie Lloyd-Evans: So, all schools have to increase their biodiversity, and they are struggling with the expertise in which to do that. John Hamden's school in Wendover.

466 00:56:10.470 --> 00:56:28.779 Julie Lloyd-Evans: had the input, not only from Climate Action Wendover, but also then from the Chiltern Society through Climate Action Wendover, or the little project that I ended up doing with the school, and they got some actual physical people doing stuff. Like, like,

467 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:32.570 Julie Lloyd-Evans: You know, scything their flown meadow.

468 00:56:33.310 --> 00:56:38.000 Julie Lloyd-Evans: And… and getting in… The lovely, bat.

469 00:56:38.590 --> 00:56:40.130 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Where is she? She's probably here.

470 00:56:40.500 --> 00:56:50.659 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Yeah, yeah. And, you know, that was great, so using that local knowledge for schools. So what you're doing is really helping

471 00:56:50.900 --> 00:57:04.300 Julie Lloyd-Evans: the education group here to actually do what I think was… was, from what I have learned from doing the Greener Padbury, is that external experts can really help the schools.

472 00:57:04.510 --> 00:57:23.080 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Plus, the schools, particularly if you go to secondary, can really help any of the biodiversity projects. So we had a couple of young… we had… they were sixth formers who were fascinated by moths, and they did moths monitoring for us at Greener Padbury Group. So that… that's… that's…

473 00:57:23.090 --> 00:57:28.920 Julie Lloyd-Evans: an aside, I'm also fascinated by every other group on what they…

474 00:57:29.640 --> 00:57:35.099 Julie Lloyd-Evans: How that could… what you're doing, and how that could be an amazing resource

475 00:57:35.100 --> 00:57:59.250 Julie Lloyd-Evans: for schools to tap into, about what's happening locally, about a little teaching program, set of lessons that could go around what you're currently doing, so you could get student voice involved. They don't have to come along to our meetings, that would be boring, okay? Not that we're boring, but I think for them it would be boring. But you could get student voice within an environment that they're happy with.

476 00:57:59.680 --> 00:58:16.770 Julie Lloyd-Evans: to get, you know, to kind of get going on some of your projects, to consider some of your projects. And then at that point, there may be some intergenerational things that we could do with the schools. So I think that's hugely important. Just to summarize what we did, I haven't seen the notes. I think my…

477 00:58:16.770 --> 00:58:25.489 Julie Lloyd-Evans: tech abilities are really bad at the moment, but I didn't get to see any of the AI, the special AI notes that Jules

478 00:58:25.650 --> 00:58:27.670 Julie Lloyd-Evans: AI assistant

479 00:58:27.980 --> 00:58:35.720 Julie Lloyd-Evans: did or developed. So all I can kind of fully talk about is those four things that I highlighted before.

480 00:58:35.860 --> 00:58:45.510 Julie Lloyd-Evans: which was… Justine had suggested we need to map where we are already with these schools, and I think it's not just that, but sort of…

481 00:58:45.670 --> 00:58:54.190 Julie Lloyd-Evans: you know, looking… for instance, Western Turville School has got that amazing kind of.

482 00:58:54.190 --> 00:58:55.370 3. Rachel Blackmore: Nature reserve.

483 00:58:55.370 --> 00:59:00.819 Julie Lloyd-Evans: nature reserve next to it, which is mainly Hawthorne, to be honest, but it, you know, there's… it is…

484 00:59:00.820 --> 00:59:17.779 Julie Lloyd-Evans: amazing resource that other schools might be able to go and visit, because they haven't got that on their doorstep, you know? So there's all sorts of linking with that, but then John Hamden have got some excellent little things in progress, and they do quite a

485 00:59:17.780 --> 00:59:22.069 Julie Lloyd-Evans: good growing. So, so that, that could be,

486 00:59:22.120 --> 00:59:38.369 Julie Lloyd-Evans: That could be really good. So, mapping what schools have already, and Robert's suggestion was finding out what schools really want. So, once we've got into those schools, what do schools really want? So we can go with a few little starters. So.

487 00:59:38.370 --> 00:59:48.179 Julie Lloyd-Evans: one of us can contact all those schools and say, hey, we've got some local people who are experts on this, would you like to use them? Or tell us what you really want.

488 00:59:48.180 --> 00:59:58.600 Julie Lloyd-Evans: And then Jules had some ideas which he put in the chat about how to approach schools, so we could… we could tap onto that. And,

489 00:59:59.350 --> 01:00:02.290 Julie Lloyd-Evans: What was the other one? I think I've covered all four.

490 01:00:02.640 --> 01:00:07.189 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Was there something else, Jules? I can't remember. I mean, the other thing is…

491 01:00:07.700 --> 01:00:17.900 Julie Lloyd-Evans: And this is separate, because it's not connected to the four schools that we'll be… four, five, six schools that we'll possibly be working with.

492 01:00:18.150 --> 01:00:27.000 Julie Lloyd-Evans: But, there is a network now in Bucks that I have only just established for outdoor learning and sustainability.

493 01:00:27.150 --> 01:00:29.420 Julie Lloyd-Evans: It's called The Bucks Greener.

494 01:00:29.550 --> 01:00:32.560 Julie Lloyd-Evans: school network,

495 01:00:32.690 --> 01:00:43.520 Julie Lloyd-Evans: And any good ideas that are happening could feed into that network. So all schools in Bucks have been invited to join this network, and I've been working

496 01:00:44.070 --> 01:00:56.300 Julie Lloyd-Evans: with… The climate change group in the county. The health, public health,

497 01:00:56.300 --> 01:01:17.370 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Not biodiversity, actually. That slipped me. School improvement, obviously, and energy. So, so they're all connected, they're all very keen to help schools. They're also highlighting how little time they have. You've only got two people working in the Climate Change Department in Buckinghamshire Council.

498 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:36.389 Julie Lloyd-Evans: I mean, crazy, So… so they will be part of the network, so we're… we're trying to tie things up, and this is early stages, but we're… we're trying to tie things up. I've… I've had 50 school… 52 schools respond to the form that I put out.

499 01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:43.170 Julie Lloyd-Evans: One saying they don't want to be involved. 51 who do.

500 01:01:43.570 --> 01:01:48.070 Julie Lloyd-Evans: want to be part of that network. So, you know, I'm…

501 01:01:48.230 --> 01:02:01.270 Julie Lloyd-Evans: I'm responding to them on Monday with some, you know, very exciting things that we can put forward. But that is the whole county. That's not necessarily our group, but I'm just saying that our group can tap in

502 01:02:02.010 --> 01:02:04.649 Julie Lloyd-Evans: To, perhaps, that network.

503 01:02:05.010 --> 01:02:09.009 Julie Lloyd-Evans: And I haven't worked out exactly how, you know.

504 01:02:09.010 --> 01:02:13.659 3. Rachel Blackmore: That's fantastic. Those 51 schools will cover, as will all be in there, won't they?

505 01:02:13.660 --> 01:02:17.740 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Well, I'll tell you, it's only John Hamden School.

506 01:02:18.310 --> 01:02:23.630 Julie Lloyd-Evans: That have signed up to that. And Aston Clinton, but they're not in our group, are they?

507 01:02:24.120 --> 01:02:24.680 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Arrested.

508 01:02:24.720 --> 01:02:26.240 3. Rachel Blackmore: No, Aston Clinton.

509 01:02:26.240 --> 01:02:29.480 Julie Lloyd-Evans: It's Stoke Mandeville, Western Terville and Halton, is it?

510 01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:36.180 3. Rachel Blackmore: That's, and Wendover. So, out of… you said it's 51 out of 52, so… No, only…

511 01:02:36.500 --> 01:02:45.389 3. Rachel Blackmore: 51 out of the 52 who responded have said yes. So that… there's about 250… there's about 250. Oh, I see, I see, that's not all of them, of course it isn't.

512 01:02:45.390 --> 01:02:47.919 Julie Lloyd-Evans: You know, so there's about 250 schools.

513 01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.870 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah. Vacuum share. So I can…

514 01:02:51.240 --> 01:02:55.220 Julie Lloyd-Evans: contact St. Mandeville, Western Terville, Halton, and just say, oh.

515 01:02:55.970 --> 01:03:10.090 Julie Lloyd-Evans: I know a few of them, like, here's a trigger to join this network, but did you all… are you also aware? And so, you know, when the group next meet, the education group next meet, and if anyone on this meeting has got any ideas.

516 01:03:10.150 --> 01:03:24.969 Julie Lloyd-Evans: with that, because I've said, I think education kind of sits at the center, and all these other overlap… I mean, there's a huge amount that could be done with food. Schools cannot grow their own food, and yet it would be the most valuable learning they could do.

517 01:03:25.030 --> 01:03:43.959 Julie Lloyd-Evans: So you could develop a whole curriculum around food growing. Every subject could be covered, and that would hit our issues with food security, that would hit our… from the teeny bit of research I did, there were a couple of children who'd done food growing.

518 01:03:44.410 --> 01:03:48.419 Julie Lloyd-Evans: At school, who now wanted to go and do horticulture.

519 01:03:48.860 --> 01:04:05.440 Julie Lloyd-Evans: you know, it could be one of those green skills. Green skills aren't just, you know, the solar stuff or the tech stuff. It's food growing as well. So I think that's, you know, that is really central to the food group, but I couldn't make it to the food group meeting.

520 01:04:05.510 --> 01:04:16.380 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Otherwise, I'd have been in there talking about, you know, look, if there's anyone out there that's a good gardener, can they link with the school and support what that school needs? Because teachers…

521 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:22.960 Julie Lloyd-Evans: can't do it all. You know, they need guidance, they need help, they need someone to come and do a bit of weeding, and…

522 01:04:23.090 --> 01:04:24.309 Julie Lloyd-Evans: So, yeah.

523 01:04:24.310 --> 01:04:28.559 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thanks. Thanks, Julie, and sorry I didn't bring you in earlier. I didn't see that you were on the call, so I was…

524 01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:32.760 Julie Lloyd-Evans: No, because I was first just named user for some reason.

525 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:37.559 3. Rachel Blackmore: Right. Yeah, I think it just dropped off my screen, but anyway, Sean, you've got your hand up.

526 01:04:37.560 --> 01:04:57.359 Sean McCarthy: But, the idea of understanding what the school curriculum is, and then linking that to what we want to do as biodiversity projects, we're slightly concerned that we'll have too many projects, but if counting amphibians or something like that is in the curriculum, then that's where it'll be quite useful.

527 01:04:57.360 --> 01:05:09.609 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Improving the school grounds for biodiversity is what schools have to do. And if you look at the school estate, that's a significant area.

528 01:05:09.610 --> 01:05:09.970 Sean McCarthy: Yep.

529 01:05:09.970 --> 01:05:19.049 Julie Lloyd-Evans: That is a significant area. So, you know, if any projects… if you can't find land, there's school grounds, that…

530 01:05:19.390 --> 01:05:25.980 Julie Lloyd-Evans: That could be developed and helped… supported, and… yeah, that's…

531 01:05:26.470 --> 01:05:37.039 3. Rachel Blackmore: Amazing, yeah, as you say, yeah, food group, use the schools. Lots of criss-crosses over there, thanks so much. Over to you, Jules, with…

532 01:05:37.040 --> 01:05:37.900 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I don't.

533 01:05:37.900 --> 01:05:42.949 3. Rachel Blackmore: Well, really, really lovely to hear everyone's updates, and amazing work.

534 01:05:42.950 --> 01:05:46.530 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There's some really exciting projects here.

535 01:05:46.660 --> 01:05:55.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I've put a few links in the chat, and I'll run through them, but, you know, do feel free to reach out to me if you've got specific

536 01:05:55.790 --> 01:06:03.400 Joolz | Community Climate Action: projects that you want, you know, a bit of support with. In particular, so, talking about the land.

537 01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:08.629 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fabulous. Perhaps rather than renting it, consider buying it if you can.

538 01:06:08.890 --> 01:06:15.759 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There are routes to funding that, and also there's routes to finding growers, people who want to farm.

539 01:06:16.140 --> 01:06:19.839 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I put a link to the Ecological Land Co-op in there.

540 01:06:19.980 --> 01:06:33.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And what they do is they tend to buy maybe 50 acres, and then they'll divvy it up into 5-10 acre small holdings, and facilitate people accessing that land to grow.

541 01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:39.369 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And there's also a link, underneath that, communityfarm.land is stages.

542 01:06:39.580 --> 01:06:41.390 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As well, that's really helpful.

543 01:06:41.530 --> 01:06:55.419 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the Land Workers Alliance is also somebody really helpful, really handy. It's the world's largest union, apparently, because we're made up of micro-farmers all around the world, but our LWA group in East Anglia is particularly active.

544 01:06:55.670 --> 01:07:03.669 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In terms of community-supported agriculture and veg box schemes. So, again, really, really helpful to talk to.

545 01:07:03.990 --> 01:07:08.530 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Cpre, which is the Campaign for the Protection of Rural England.

546 01:07:08.650 --> 01:07:20.059 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Also have really good policy, supporting policy documents on things like bringing a rural exceptions site forward for limited social housing.

547 01:07:20.470 --> 01:07:26.040 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And so those kind of things, two things, are really hand-in-glove in terms of somewhere to live and somewhere to grow.

548 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.630 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Because people often need to be on-site.

549 01:07:29.110 --> 01:07:39.079 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, so that, hopefully, have a read of those. In terms of, community energy and schools, David, I put a link in the chat to Energy for All.

550 01:07:39.570 --> 01:07:40.939 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Who are co-op.

551 01:07:41.160 --> 01:07:42.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: An energy co-op.

552 01:07:43.290 --> 01:07:48.649 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Who provide… Free,

553 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:59.590 Joolz | Community Climate Action: who provides free support services for projects at the start, so feasibility study funding, project management. They tend to be larger scale, so they'd probably want a number of schools.

554 01:07:59.640 --> 01:08:04.639 3. Rachel Blackmore: They're doing a project in Cambridgeshire at the moment, I think, with 22 schools.

555 01:08:05.050 --> 01:08:05.590 3. Rachel Blackmore: Right.

556 01:08:05.590 --> 01:08:06.729 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For instance.

557 01:08:06.780 --> 01:08:21.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Until it's big enough to separate out into its own co-op. So they kind of… they kind of nurture… nurture something until it grows enough to stand on its own two feet. And they're really… they'll do the share offer and the fundraise and this kind of thing as well.

558 01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:30.610 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, you know, also will help… can help with solar, canopies for car parks, which I think might be a really good early stage

559 01:08:30.770 --> 01:08:38.609 Joolz | Community Climate Action: step for the library and elsewhere, you know. Cpre also have a rooftop first policy for solar.

560 01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:43.039 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Looking at, you know, warehouses and what we can put energy on.

561 01:08:44.090 --> 01:08:55.540 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then for schools, I've put a link in the chat to Climate Ambassadors. They have, experts who'll come in and do talks at schools, and also to the Ministry for Eco-education, who provide free.

562 01:08:55.640 --> 01:09:00.099 Joolz | Community Climate Action: expert advice on curriculum, STEM-related and nature-based curriculum.

563 01:09:00.229 --> 01:09:01.569 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And what have you.

564 01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:18.250 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The… unfortunately, the AI that Julie mentioned, I do have a bit of our meeting, and I will send that over, but because it wasn't… I wasn't hosting the meeting, it wasn't the native AI in Zoom, it's a free Otter.ai account, and it's only half hour, so I only caught the first half.

565 01:09:18.350 --> 01:09:32.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Of the conversation, but I will send it over. But the two critical documents that I did share in that meeting, number one is the contacts list, where we have phoned every single school.

566 01:09:32.649 --> 01:09:33.679 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In the area.

567 01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:39.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And who we spoke to, when we spoke to them, the outcome, and the time. This was pre the workshop.

568 01:09:40.090 --> 01:09:57.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And many of them gave us an expression of interest. We also contacted high schools, which may not be in the parishes, but they are… you're in the catchment for their schools. So you'll likely have children in your villages that go to a high school outside of the initial parishes, so they're worth contacting as well.

569 01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:06.360 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the other, the other thing I shared was, the community engagement, document, which has a copy of.

570 01:10:07.070 --> 01:10:16.420 Joolz | Community Climate Action: an email to send to schools than the one we sent to schools. And that just highlights the requirement for every school as a DFE,

571 01:10:16.790 --> 01:10:28.210 Joolz | Community Climate Action: DMV, advice. It's not a statutory requirement yet, but every school should have a climate plan by the end of this year, and many of them aren't, or don't.

572 01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:29.600 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I would…

573 01:10:29.900 --> 01:10:38.560 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Suggest simply making contact and making friends with the faculty, and they'll probably… they have no budget, no time.

574 01:10:38.730 --> 01:10:53.899 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, and so it's really difficult. So, if you go with an offer of, we will help, you know, we're coming with capacity and an offer of help in terms of how we can engage with the community, that's a really good starting point.

575 01:10:54.070 --> 01:10:57.890 Joolz | Community Climate Action: They may or may not have a nominated sustainability officer.

576 01:10:58.330 --> 01:11:00.380 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If not, we can help chain one up.

577 01:11:00.570 --> 01:11:06.329 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And they… And they probably more than likely have an eco council made up of children.

578 01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:10.950 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Nearly every school that I've been talking to has an eco council.

579 01:11:11.080 --> 01:11:23.169 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So yes, what we've agreed with the schools that we're working with is we will… we will offer the children, or offer the Eco Council some options to help guide them, but they get to choose.

580 01:11:23.890 --> 01:11:35.950 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So it might be a citizen science project, a biodiversity project, we're doing some energy projects. Lakenham Primary School in Norwich had a term on water and water resilience.

581 01:11:36.240 --> 01:11:55.590 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And now we're organising a, a site visit to a potential hydro community energy project, that kind of thing. So there's STEM, STEM learning there, you know. So, but yeah, schools are definitely, the beating heart of our communities, because they have such a reach in terms of students and parents and PTAs and what have you.

582 01:11:58.120 --> 01:12:11.719 3. Rachel Blackmore: Fantastic. So, thinking ahead, when do you want to convene the next one of these meetings? I was thinking, sort of, January, we,

583 01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:21.260 3. Rachel Blackmore: We're going away the 3rd. Not Feb. So, because we're not around Feb, and obviously Christmas is coming up in December, so I was thinking mid-January?

584 01:12:21.350 --> 01:12:27.479 3. Rachel Blackmore: Do you think that's too soon? Yeah, third week in January towards the end, Joanne? What does everybody think?

585 01:12:27.620 --> 01:12:29.180 3. Rachel Blackmore: How about you, Jules?

586 01:12:29.550 --> 01:12:37.030 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I tend to think that, third week of January would be good, because invariably it's coming up to Christmas. December's always a short month.

587 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:38.670 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yep.

588 01:12:38.670 --> 01:12:49.499 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It'll give us time to, you know, collect our thoughts and ideas and move stuff forward, perhaps, and it's close enough to the start of the year that we can, you know, celebrate starting something new.

589 01:12:49.770 --> 01:12:59.610 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thursdays aren't a great day for me, because I normally play rugby on a Thursday, so perhaps if we could choose another day, that'd be grand. We go for Wednesday next time? Everybody alright with a Wednesday?

590 01:12:59.630 --> 01:13:00.660 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sounds good.

591 01:13:00.660 --> 01:13:04.700 3. Rachel Blackmore: do a poll as well. Tuesday 27th. Tuesday 27th?

592 01:13:04.700 --> 01:13:06.720 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, that suits… that suits me.

593 01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:13.889 3. Rachel Blackmore: if everybody's… I'll stick that out. If people can't make it, then we can consider again, so…

594 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:28.439 3. Rachel Blackmore: In terms of, sort of, keeping everybody on board, I know you've recorded this and you're going to be sending out the notes, but they will be quite long. I wondered if the leaders of the education, biodiversity and Food

595 01:13:28.460 --> 01:13:42.709 3. Rachel Blackmore: could send us just a paragraph summary. I think Rachel and I can cover retrofit energy and active travel, but I just would like to send out a sort of update to everybody who attended the workshop to keep them up to speed.

596 01:13:42.710 --> 01:13:57.150 3. Rachel Blackmore: And, that would be helpful. We'll pick a paragraph from each group leader as well, because we're putting it on our website, and Clara will want to do the same community climate action, and then people can access, and then we can put the dates of our meetings

597 01:13:57.150 --> 01:14:03.159 3. Rachel Blackmore: on the website and the Facebook pages, so we'll, but I can mess private message for…

598 01:14:03.170 --> 01:14:12.390 3. Rachel Blackmore: For you all to… but you're here, Sean. If you could draw up a paragraph on biodiversity, and Alan on the share, that would be great, and Julie on the education.

599 01:14:12.390 --> 01:14:15.250 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Do you mean what I've just… what we just talked about?

600 01:14:15.250 --> 01:14:26.260 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yes, if you could… I know we've covered a huge amount, you've covered a huge amount, but a sort of paragraph summary and a picture that can go on the website would be fantastic. Thank you.

601 01:14:26.260 --> 01:14:27.590 Julie Lloyd-Evans: you say picture?

602 01:14:27.930 --> 01:14:30.170 3. Rachel Blackmore: Picture would be nice as well, for a website.

603 01:14:30.170 --> 01:14:31.789 Julie Lloyd-Evans: Oh, right?

604 01:14:32.280 --> 01:14:46.210 3. Rachel Blackmore: Because we've done it already, actually, haven't we? Prior to, we did… everybody sent a picture around prior to the workshop to give their introductions, but we hadn't got the education group at that point, Julie, so that's a new one, so…

605 01:14:48.240 --> 01:14:50.759 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thanks so much, everyone, for coming. I don't know if we…

606 01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:52.370 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Eli… sorry, Eli's got your hand.

607 01:14:52.370 --> 01:14:55.420 3. Rachel Blackmore: Eli, thank you, sorry, left you a long time there.

608 01:14:55.420 --> 01:14:58.250 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Yeah, it's okay, because I wanted to ask a question.

609 01:14:58.250 --> 01:14:58.610 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah.

610 01:14:59.100 --> 01:15:06.829 Eli Kling [Wendover]: And maybe you've already sorted it out, but there's so much information that has been mentioned here, including a lot of URLs, links.

611 01:15:07.110 --> 01:15:12.840 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Do you have already a place where you can start building a knowledge base? I mean, you mentioned the website.

612 01:15:13.120 --> 01:15:19.790 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, is the simple answer, and it's called… A knowledge… the knowledge base.

613 01:15:19.790 --> 01:15:20.690 Sean McCarthy: Cool.

614 01:15:20.690 --> 01:15:24.340 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So yeah, that's fantastic. Let me send you a link.

615 01:15:24.340 --> 01:15:29.329 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Is it somewhere where we can create our own area for our own group, or is it just a… Yes.

616 01:15:29.530 --> 01:15:30.350 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Wikifix…

617 01:15:30.350 --> 01:15:38.210 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Well, yes and no, in that we… what we want to do is… is, share learnings for everybody.

618 01:15:38.580 --> 01:15:51.289 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So not necessarily just people in, in Wendover and villages. But yes, let's build out… I mean, specific case studies, areas, information, and links.

619 01:15:51.450 --> 01:15:58.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, for instance, the three preparatory Zooms that we did before the workshop.

620 01:15:58.740 --> 01:16:02.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: there on the knowledge base, and I'll send you a link.

621 01:16:03.280 --> 01:16:06.150 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's a… it's a wiki, basically, and

622 01:16:06.790 --> 01:16:09.260 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it's… and it's a piece of software called Gitbook.

623 01:16:09.530 --> 01:16:13.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And if you're in… And if… and if you're interested.

624 01:16:13.690 --> 01:16:18.740 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, we can get you a login user details, and you can help

625 01:16:18.830 --> 01:16:36.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: format this kind of information as, kind of a librarian and steward, if you're interested. We're always interested for people to do exactly that, and we've got a team of about 15 parish councillors currently looking at best practice.

626 01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:42.790 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For instance, one of the links I sent over was a model biodiversity policy.

627 01:16:42.950 --> 01:16:47.859 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For town… for parish councils, if for the statutory biodiversity duty.

628 01:16:48.180 --> 01:16:58.079 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's, again, that's on the knowledge base. So, there is a section on there which… let me have a look… Climate Action Plan Workshops, and that's got…

629 01:16:58.190 --> 01:17:04.130 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The three, meetings that we had before.

630 01:17:04.290 --> 01:17:09.999 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The workshop, with the transcription, the notes, the action points, and this will go on there as well.

631 01:17:10.490 --> 01:17:12.379 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, yes, we'll be looking…

632 01:17:12.380 --> 01:17:12.840 Eli Kling [Wendover]: to build.

633 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:19.439 Joolz | Community Climate Action: out specific bits to collate that pathway and best practice for, say, schools, for instance, so yeah.

634 01:17:19.790 --> 01:17:32.039 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Git comes also with some free Gen AI capabilities, so is this knowledge base, do you have an agent sitting on it that answers questions when people ask it about the knowledge base?

635 01:17:32.410 --> 01:17:33.619 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sorry, say that again?

636 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:42.240 Eli Kling [Wendover]: knowledge base… Git has some free capabilities to do generative AI, development.

637 01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:51.330 Eli Kling [Wendover]: LLMs. So, do you have already a generative AI chatbot that talks with the knowledge base, so you can ask questions? Oh, different…

638 01:17:51.330 --> 01:17:52.100 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Don't.

639 01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:56.340 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We don't yet. Is that something you'd be interested in helping us with?

640 01:17:56.670 --> 01:17:57.859 Eli Kling [Wendover]: That's what they do.

641 01:17:58.410 --> 01:17:59.889 Eli Kling [Wendover]: I'm a data scientist.

642 01:18:00.550 --> 01:18:01.970 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Right. Cool.

643 01:18:02.360 --> 01:18:05.320 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Yes, so my hand is still up, but now it's for volunteering to help.

644 01:18:05.710 --> 01:18:14.019 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay, brilliant. Yeah, let's, let's, let's chat, let's chat, that would be amazing. And I'll introduce you to one or two other people on the team that are also going to be working on similar.

645 01:18:14.140 --> 01:18:29.209 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And very much, some of these conversations came out of our education chat with Julie and what have you. It was like, that's great, but how do we… how do we put this into a pathway? So, yes, let's build… build out those… build out those things as we go.

646 01:18:29.650 --> 01:18:32.409 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Let me put my email here, and my LinkedIn.

647 01:18:32.630 --> 01:18:38.049 Eli Kling [Wendover]: I think you and I are already connected on LinkedIn in any case, but if not, that needs to be remitted.

648 01:18:39.470 --> 01:18:40.220 3. Rachel Blackmore: Compute.

649 01:18:40.220 --> 01:18:41.700 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's fantastic, thank you.

650 01:18:43.200 --> 01:18:44.569 3. Rachel Blackmore: Just copy these in.

651 01:18:46.400 --> 01:18:47.809 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, I don't know.

652 01:18:47.810 --> 01:18:51.580 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, okay, I will drop you… I'll send you an email now.

653 01:18:52.060 --> 01:18:55.990 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So you've got… I'm sure you've got my details, but I'll send you an email right this second anyway.

654 01:18:56.300 --> 01:19:14.229 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And yes, we are already connected on LinkedIn. So yeah, that would be… that would be brilliant to build that out, so people can… people would just type, and basically, if I can download, or our team can download all of our knowledge into the wiki, then people can just type and answer their own question and get the resources.

655 01:19:14.230 --> 01:19:14.970 Eli Kling [Wendover]: That's what I do today.

656 01:19:14.970 --> 01:19:15.910 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic.

657 01:19:16.050 --> 01:19:20.829 Eli Kling [Wendover]: Yes, and so a different topic, Rachel. You mentioned about finding the date.

658 01:19:20.830 --> 01:19:21.290 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah.

659 01:19:21.400 --> 01:19:24.380 3. Rachel Blackmore: group that I volunteer for. Yeah.

660 01:19:24.510 --> 01:19:33.310 Eli Kling [Wendover]: they've started using WhatsApp with a questionnaire, so the chair just sent out a list of dates, and people can vote which dates…

661 01:19:33.310 --> 01:19:57.630 3. Rachel Blackmore: It's a poll, isn't it? Yeah, we did that for this meeting. We set up a poll. Well, we did it for our energy deep dive… our deep dive one, which is actually going to be on land. We just set up a poll to pick dates. But we, as we've got all the leaders with us now, it seemed quite good to come up on the date while we know everybody, because obviously if you send it out to 100, we might get… although most… it is mainly the key people who want to come who do respond, so we can do that.

662 01:19:57.630 --> 01:20:08.310 3. Rachel Blackmore: And I was also going to ask for our next meeting, do we want to, because it's 6 groups, 7 groups, were a lot of subjects to discuss, do we want to just pick

663 01:20:08.310 --> 01:20:17.190 3. Rachel Blackmore: a few, do you think, next time, rather than trying to cover all seven? I don't know, how do people feel, or do people want to

664 01:20:17.220 --> 01:20:20.150 3. Rachel Blackmore: Say, if they want some particular input.

665 01:20:20.210 --> 01:20:21.370 3. Rachel Blackmore: Jules.

666 01:20:21.370 --> 01:20:24.289 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, I think the stroke… if we can…

667 01:20:24.480 --> 01:20:34.150 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Give it a bit more structure, so we will limit… perhaps we could limit, a small amount of airtime for an update for each… each group.

668 01:20:34.770 --> 01:20:44.509 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then it's offer… then it's… and then I'd propose we maybe, do it as a kind of a need and roadblock. So…

669 01:20:44.510 --> 01:20:55.220 Joolz | Community Climate Action: you know, I've hit this roadblock and I need help, or an offer. So people can bring offers, like, oh, I found this thing, it might really help. Perhaps, perhaps that might fit?

670 01:20:55.580 --> 01:21:10.709 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, I can put a call out, can't I? Have you got any needs, so that we can find out in advance what the needs are, and then build our agenda from that, and keep it… yeah, but wonderful this first time to find out what everybody, you know, to hear everybody's input on all the groups, so…

671 01:21:10.710 --> 01:21:12.010 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, it's fantastic.

672 01:21:12.010 --> 01:21:12.700 3. Rachel Blackmore: on.

673 01:21:12.700 --> 01:21:18.939 Joolz | Community Climate Action: fantastic to see, like I say, the capacity, the enthusiasm, and the momentum, so what a start.

674 01:21:20.280 --> 01:21:25.849 Sean McCarthy: Are you happy for us to join you on LinkedIn? Sort of use LinkedIn as a means to…

675 01:21:25.850 --> 01:21:32.090 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I am, yes, and if people are interested, we have… we actually have a forum.

676 01:21:33.470 --> 01:21:38.909 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For the great collaboration that we're encouraging our communities to use.

677 01:21:39.040 --> 01:21:50.239 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, depending on appetite, and I've also built a prototype app as well, a Climate Action app, which is walking, you know, again, we're populating that with pathways so people walk, walk.

678 01:21:50.500 --> 01:21:55.420 Joolz | Community Climate Action: walk through, so I'd be interested in any volunteers that might want to test, or have a look at a prototype.

679 01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:56.940 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And…

680 01:21:57.250 --> 01:21:58.360 Sean McCarthy: What's your surname?

681 01:21:58.590 --> 01:22:11.020 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thompson, it's Julian, J-U-L-I-A-N, not Jules. Yeah, it's been Julian for a long time on LinkedIn. So it's Julian, and then it's Thompson, T-H-O-M-P-S-O-N.

682 01:22:16.130 --> 01:22:18.269 Sean McCarthy: I'll look at that later, there are hundreds of them.

683 01:22:18.270 --> 01:22:24.740 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, sure. Well, I can put it in the… I can put my link in the WhatsApp chat for you, Sean, and then everyone's got it, or something like that.

684 01:22:25.250 --> 01:22:38.430 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But yes, more than happy for people to connect on LinkedIn. And then, I mean, at some point, for those that are interested, I mean, perhaps we get our heads together, and I can show you around the forum, and it's…

685 01:22:38.570 --> 01:22:42.849 Joolz | Community Climate Action: a better platform, generally, to collaborate and communicate than WhatsApp.

686 01:22:43.570 --> 01:22:54.859 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The difficulty is getting people off WhatsApp. You know, WhatsApp's great for instant messaging, or urgent things, but if you really want to structure a dialogue, then a forum, you know, forum is a much better place.

687 01:22:54.860 --> 01:22:56.919 3. Rachel Blackmore: That's with LinkedIn, is it, Jules?

688 01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.679 Joolz | Community Climate Action: No, it's a separate piece of software.

689 01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:01.469 3. Rachel Blackmore: Okay, forum, right.

690 01:23:01.470 --> 01:23:06.189 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, it's a… it's, it's called Hilo, which is H-Y-L-O.

691 01:23:06.460 --> 01:23:07.170 3. Rachel Blackmore: Right.

692 01:23:07.360 --> 01:23:20.689 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hilo.com. Very mature, open source, free, used by communities, global regenerative communities around the world, and, you know, that's where we're all meeting and chatting and stuff, so…

693 01:23:20.860 --> 01:23:35.800 3. Rachel Blackmore: Oh, that's good to know, because when I tried to contact somebody on LinkedIn, it seemed as though I needed to pay. They were obviously somebody quite high up, but… and I didn't want to pay, so I couldn't get ahold of them. But anyway, this one looks the thing, yeah.

694 01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:40.730 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, I mean, that's another conversation we can have about, as we move forward, and there's more…

695 01:23:41.030 --> 01:23:56.099 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, there's more data, there's more information, there's more documents, so that's a much better way of structuring the sharing of those, because WhatsApp tends to just be a fast-moving wall of text. If people join, the messages, they can't see historical messages.

696 01:23:56.190 --> 01:24:01.230 Joolz | Community Climate Action: This kind of thing. So it's a much better way of managing, a community and documents and story.

697 01:24:01.540 --> 01:24:13.719 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And you can do projects, you can do events, you know, you can make offers, you can have resources. So, those kind of things. I'd be really happy to, set that up and build that out, build that out with the group, if that's something you'd like to do.

698 01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:15.970 3. Rachel Blackmore: That sounds fun. A new trick to learn.

699 01:24:15.970 --> 01:24:16.960 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, absolutely.

700 01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:26.440 3. Rachel Blackmore: Two final things. First of all, we've got our People, Pint, and Planet event on the 4th of December. I don't know if you can make that, can you? Anybody?

701 01:24:26.440 --> 01:24:27.070 Joolz | Community Climate Action: blade.

702 01:24:27.300 --> 01:24:27.760 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yes.

703 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:28.440 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Possibly.

704 01:24:28.660 --> 01:24:34.060 3. Rachel Blackmore: Same venue. It'd be good to carry on conversations in a different context.

705 01:24:34.060 --> 01:24:35.379 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It would, yeah.

706 01:24:35.380 --> 01:24:41.859 3. Rachel Blackmore: chat. Can you copy that in some of the format, Jules, so that we could preserve it?

707 01:24:41.860 --> 01:24:42.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: with, with…

708 01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:44.450 3. Rachel Blackmore: All the stuff that's on the chat, can you.

709 01:24:44.450 --> 01:24:55.300 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, absolutely. So, I'll download the chat, and then that will also be on the knowledge base on the wiki. So you'll be able to see everything in the chat, all of the transcript, and the recording.

710 01:24:55.900 --> 01:25:04.260 3. Rachel Blackmore: Amazing. Gosh, lots of exciting new things. Thanks so much, everybody. We've had an hour and a half, rather than kneeling.

711 01:25:04.260 --> 01:25:05.410 Sean McCarthy: Needed, yeah.

712 01:25:05.410 --> 01:25:07.560 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, definitely.

713 01:25:09.330 --> 01:25:10.270 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay, fabulous.

714 01:25:10.270 --> 01:25:11.660 3. Rachel Blackmore: Everybody alright? Yeah.

715 01:25:11.820 --> 01:25:18.040 3. Rachel Blackmore: All good? Thank you. You okay, Jules? Yes, yeah, I'm just making sure I have saved the chat, is the… Doing that before we…

716 01:25:18.040 --> 01:25:25.980 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm sure, yeah, chat saved, there we go, showing folder. Fantastic, yeah, so brilliant, great, great progress, everyone, and look forward to the next, the next one.

717 01:25:26.180 --> 01:25:31.440 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, fantastic. Lovely. Thanks, everybody. See you all soon.

718 01:25:31.440 --> 01:25:32.350 Sean McCarthy: Bye-bye. Bye.

719 01:25:33.120 --> 01:25:34.110 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, boy.

720 01:25:35.010 --> 01:25:36.959 3. Rachel Blackmore: I think we can leave alright this time, can't we?