CCA 04: 11Dec25 Wendover & Villages part 2 of 9 online followups

The second in a series of 9 online followups to the main Live Event on 15Sep25

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The meeting focused on community climate action planning and land acquisition strategies, with representatives from multiple parish councils and community groups discussing various land use options including nature-based recovery, biodiversity, food production, and housing. Participants explored funding opportunities and revenue-generating possibilities for land management, including community land trusts, renewable energy projects, and biodiversity net gain credits. The group discussed specific land projects in Wendover and Weston Terville, including a proposed Walipini greenhouse and potential community housing developments, while examining mapping tools and legal considerations for land ownership and management.

Next steps

• Jane: Get land registry information to identify which fields and what land is covered by the village farm in Halton Parish

• Rachel: Meet with farmers in Wendover to discuss potential land rental arrangements for community use

• Jane: Gather information about exactly what fields the farmer owns by beginning of January

• Jane: Work out estimated value of the farm to determine funding requirements before approaching the farmer

• Frances: Follow up with Environment Bank regarding biodiversity net gain opportunities for combined parish land projects

• Jools: Send links to webinars about nature-based community land trusts set up by parish councils

• Jools: Send link to UKPN's website for checking local primary substation capacity for wind turbine feasibility

• Rachel: Pass Andrea's email address to Sean for collaboration on Ivers projects

• Andy : Investigate legal requirements and processes for parish councils to establish community land trusts

• All parishes: Map potential land parcels using Land Explorer or Parish Online to assess suitability and ownership

• All parishes: Research demographic data for their respective areas to support evidence base for grant applications

• Jane: Approach village farmer about potential community purchase once funding feasibility is established

Summary

Community Climate Action Land Planning

The meeting focused on community climate action planning, particularly regarding land acquisition and use. Joolz led a discussion with representatives from multiple parish councils and community groups, including chairs of Halton and Wendover Parish Councils, a school representative, and various biodiversity and food production groups. The participants shared their interests in purchasing land for nature-based recovery, biodiversity, food production, and housing. Joolz presented examples of successful community land projects, including a 10-acre nature reserve and a proposed Walipini greenhouse project for year-round citrus production. The group discussed funding options for land acquisition, with particular interest in community land trusts for providing affordable housing.

Renewable Energy and Biodiversity Opportunities

Joolz presented on various revenue-generating opportunities for land use, including biodiversity net gain credits, wind turbines, and solar farms. He demonstrated several mapping tools such as VoteWind, Friends of the Earth's Onshore Renewables map, and Land Explorer, which can help assess land suitability for renewable energy projects. Joolz also highlighted the importance of parish councils' new statutory biodiversity duty and mentioned a model biodiversity policy available for councils to review or improve. He concluded by introducing Parish Online, a mapping tool offering a free 3-month subscription for town and parish councils, which can also be used by community groups.

Wallopine Greenhouse Construction Plans

The group discussed the construction and funding of a Walipini greenhouse, with Joolz explaining that while there isn't one in the UK yet, they are in discussions with American companies and local engineering firms about potential replication. They explored funding options for acquiring land, with Joolz detailing how they purchased 10.5 acres for approximately £95,000 through a community share offer, and outlined other funding possibilities including public works loan board borrowing and community shares which offer returns of 4-5.5%. The discussion concluded with a suggestion to involve the community in the building process and explore partnerships with organizations like Wildlife Trust.

Exploring Land Use Opportunities

Joolz explained that the revenue from their 10-acre land is currently minimal, with plans to use it for educational and residential courses, including potential glamping in the summer. They are exploring options for subsidies and biodiversity net gain credits, with the help of organizations like the Environment Bank. Frances suggested that parish councils could collaborate to meet the minimum land requirement for such projects, and Joolz confirmed that this is possible both physically and legally through a community land trust.

Community Business Legal and Planning

Joolz explained the legal and governance aspects of setting up a community business, highlighting the support received from the Plunkett Foundation and the Norfolk Community Foundation for legal advice and lease agreements. He demonstrated the use of Land Explorer, a mapping application, to illustrate water management strategies and flood mitigation measures on their land. Joolz also discussed the potential for regenerative settlements and social housing in their parish, exploring spatial areas and considering the development of a new housing project.

Community Land Development Opportunities

The group discussed land ownership mapping tools, comparing Parish Online and Land Explorer. Joolz explained that Parish Online shows ownership data and has drawing tools, while Land Explorer is free for community groups. Wendover shared that they discovered a 15-acre plot of land owned by Suffolk County Council within their parish boundary, which could potentially be developed as a rural exception site for community-led housing. They have already initiated contact with the county farms estate manager and are exploring the possibility of purchasing the land, with encouragement from West Suffolk Council to move forward with the project.

Wendover Community Housing Initiative

Joolz discussed a community housing project in Wendover, explaining that it has generally good support from the village and was initiated by the Parish Council. He outlined the need for affordable housing and the potential use of land for a rural exception site, with plans for a housing needs survey to evidence the demand. Joolz mentioned exploring options like borrowing from the Public Works Loan Board or acquiring land through an asset transfer from the County Council, aiming for a sustainable, low-impact development with social housing for those connected to the area.

Land Use and Partnership Planning

The group discussed land use options in Wendover and Weston Terville, with farmers expressing interest in renting rather than selling the land. Joolz presented various land management approaches, including nature-based community land trusts and partnerships with farmers for biodiversity projects. The group agreed to map the land, assess its value, and explore funding options through organizations like the Environment Bank. They also discussed the possibility of wind turbines, noting that RAF Halton's closure in the future could reduce objections to such installations. The conversation ended with plans to gather demographic data for grant applications and further collaboration on land use projects.

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00:42:08 Joolz | Community Climate Action: https://www.ethex.org.uk/investments

00:59:30 GKynaston Wendover CE Junior: Replying to "has everyone got sou..."

Thank you everyone, I have to leave now for another meeting. There are a number of ways that we could be involved in the future. We have our own gardening club and we are developing green areas on site. If anyone is interested in coming into daily worship (assembly) and introducing the group / aims or to work with our Eco Team in school, then please email me at [email protected]

00:59:36 GKynaston Wendover CE Junior: Replying to "has everyone got sou..."

Thanks 00:59:39 GKynaston Wendover CE Junior: Replying to "has everyone got sou..."

Gareth Kynaston 00:59:44 GKynaston Wendover CE Junior: Replying to "has everyone got sou..."

Wendover Juniors. 01:02:47 Andrea: Reacted to Thank you everyone, ... with "❤️"

01:05:37 Joy O’Neill: is there any funding to set up training to help you decide what you might grow or plant etc or activities you might put on the land etc. So the practicalities of understanding the land and what it can do rather than the type of organisation needed to purchase it

01:12:52 Joy O’Neill: What about the tenant farmers being asked to leave the land? How is that be accepted by villagers?

01:14:42 Joy O’Neill: sorry have to go now

01:30:59 Justine: Do bucks council own any of the farmland ? And are renting it out?

01:39:02 Justine: Thanks

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1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.460 3. Rachel Blackmore: But I only see 4. How about you?

2 00:00:03.010 --> 00:00:04.450 Frances Tipper: I can't see 7.

3 00:00:04.810 --> 00:00:06.230 Martin Baxter: G6?

4 00:00:06.920 --> 00:00:08.630 Frances Tipper: Yeah, I can, I can see 6.

5 00:00:08.630 --> 00:00:17.159 3. Rachel Blackmore: I can see five, including us two. Who are you seeing that I'm not seeing, Martin? I'm seeing Francis, Sean, yourself, Martin, and Dave and I.

6 00:00:17.470 --> 00:00:18.700 Frances Tipper: See, Jane?

7 00:00:18.700 --> 00:00:24.400 Jane MacKinnon: Hi. Sorry, I am here, but I've, I'm just trying to work my… oh, goal review, got it.

8 00:00:24.910 --> 00:00:25.840 Jane MacKinnon: That's it.

9 00:00:25.840 --> 00:00:26.750 3. Rachel Blackmore: Hi, Jules!

10 00:00:26.930 --> 00:00:27.610 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hiya.

11 00:00:28.890 --> 00:00:34.369 3. Rachel Blackmore: So I think we've got 6, 6 people in your note-taker. Oh, we've got a couple more coming in, which is fantastic.

12 00:00:34.710 --> 00:00:42.590 3. Rachel Blackmore: I'm wondering what I need to press. I've got a gallery view with the nine squares, but I'm still only seeing… oh, I've got a few more. Hi, Clive!

13 00:00:42.590 --> 00:00:43.500 Clive Gallagher: Hiya.

14 00:00:44.190 --> 00:00:45.070 3. Rachel Blackmore: And…

15 00:00:45.510 --> 00:00:48.959 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hi, Sean, if… oh, and you probably can't hear me.

16 00:00:50.410 --> 00:00:51.880 Frances Tipper: Yeah, we can hear you.

17 00:00:52.680 --> 00:00:55.059 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I think Sean might be struggling to hear.

18 00:00:56.210 --> 00:00:56.810 Frances Tipper: Oh.

19 00:00:57.060 --> 00:00:59.049 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm just gonna put a note in the chat for him.

20 00:01:17.390 --> 00:01:19.370 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, welcome to our first

21 00:01:19.720 --> 00:01:29.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Well, kind of second, but first, first real roundtable, deep dive into community climate action planning, and today we're going to be talking about land.

22 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.990 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I hope Sean can fix his sound. Wave if you can hear us, Sean.

23 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:45.290 Joolz | Community Climate Action: No, I don't think so, and perhaps he hasn't know in the chat. Sometimes leaving and rejoining helps with sound. I have that bug on occasion.

24 00:01:46.390 --> 00:01:50.279 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, we'll see if he, spies the chat.

25 00:01:50.670 --> 00:02:05.780 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But yes, we're recording… we're recording this for posterity, for those that can't be here, so we'll be putting it onto our great collaboration wiki. So those that aren't here can watch it, and those that are here can review some of the information that we present.

26 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:09.150 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I've got a short, presentation.

27 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:14.929 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, really, then we can just dive into questions and answers, and I'm sure there'll be a lot.

28 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:20.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But let's just do a quick round robin of introductions and what you're hoping to get out of today.

29 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.829 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So anyone can start and then pass it on.

30 00:02:25.350 --> 00:02:31.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I'll try and tailor the… there's a lot of information, but I'll try and tailor it to what, you know, what's really helpful for you.

31 00:02:33.040 --> 00:02:58.019 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, Jules. Shall I kick off? And then I'll put somebody to pass it to. David and I are here because, we're obviously part of Community Climate Action, and we're keen on our parish councils having land that we can have more control over. So we're looking for advice on how we might fund buying land, any suggestions. Obviously, there's allotments as well, but yeah, looking forward

32 00:02:58.020 --> 00:02:58.820 3. Rachel Blackmore: winter.

33 00:02:58.820 --> 00:03:06.199 3. Rachel Blackmore: your ideas and funding today, Jules. And I will pass on to,

34 00:03:06.350 --> 00:03:09.909 3. Rachel Blackmore: Wendover. Hello, great to see you, by the way.

35 00:03:09.910 --> 00:03:18.409 GKynaston Wendover CE Junior: Hello, hello, I'm Gareth Kiniston, head teacher at Wendover CV Junior. So, yeah, just here, I've been invited, and it'd be interesting to see…

36 00:03:18.630 --> 00:03:37.440 GKynaston Wendover CE Junior: how we can, obviously get involved with the local community, more and more. We're… obviously, schools, you probably know, schools, as from September, are advised to have a climate action plan on their website, so… so we've got a framework for one, so it'd be interesting to see what we can add to that.

37 00:03:37.440 --> 00:03:38.809 GKynaston Wendover CE Junior: Yeah, how we can help out.

38 00:03:40.830 --> 00:03:41.690 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fabulous.

39 00:03:41.950 --> 00:03:43.769 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And would you like to pass it on?

40 00:03:45.090 --> 00:03:46.150 GKynaston Wendover CE Junior: Francis?

41 00:03:48.090 --> 00:03:58.669 Frances Tipper: Okay, thank you. Lovely to see everyone, and we've got a really good representation from Wendell. I'm so proud. I really am. We've got Clive here, and we've got Andy.

42 00:03:59.010 --> 00:04:14.500 Frances Tipper: And we are really interested in this, because we know we've got pockets of land, that we know we want to buy. So how we do it, what we… the process, you know, everything that you're going to talk about today is going to be really valuable to us.

43 00:04:16.760 --> 00:04:17.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fabulous.

44 00:04:20.060 --> 00:04:22.730 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Who's… who's next? Do you want to pass it on, Francis?

45 00:04:23.260 --> 00:04:25.290 Frances Tipper: Clive, do you want to add anything?

46 00:04:26.220 --> 00:04:39.359 Clive Gallagher: No, I will just say it's nice to be here. I'm very jet-lagged from my travels away, but nice to be here, and I'm very, as Francis said, from a Wendover perspective, we're very keen to understand what we can do.

47 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:52.649 Clive Gallagher: how we can work with our neighbouring parishes as well, to actually do stuff together. So, yeah, we're just keen to listen, learn, and hopefully, come up with some ideas that we can put into action.

48 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.970 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fabulous, and thanks for making the time after your holidays.

49 00:04:59.840 --> 00:05:06.980 Clive Gallagher: Great to see you. I will pass it on to… well, I'll pick on Andy, our clerk.

50 00:05:11.620 --> 00:05:13.710 Wendover Parish Council - Office: Oh, yes, Andy Smith.

51 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:21.270 Wendover Parish Council - Office: Clark and Responsible Finance Officer, I mustn't forget the responsible bit of my job title.

52 00:05:21.470 --> 00:05:30.450 Wendover Parish Council - Office: Yeah, so I'm just here to support, our councillors and just see, basically, what my to-do list is going to be like for the next 2 or 3 years.

53 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.609 Wendover Parish Council - Office: On this particular project.

54 00:05:33.180 --> 00:05:36.009 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic. Do you have a Silco qualification, Andy?

55 00:05:38.080 --> 00:05:40.350 Wendover Parish Council - Office: I mean, that close, that close, brilliant.

56 00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:44.889 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay, you're on the way. Fab. That's cool. And who are you going to pass on to?

57 00:05:46.080 --> 00:05:49.109 Wendover Parish Council - Office: I shall pass on to Martin.

58 00:05:49.990 --> 00:06:08.940 Martin Baxter: Well, I've got nothing much to add, really. I want to agree with Clive, the sort of things that Clive said. I'm interested in parishes working together, and I'm supporting, Rachel in,

59 00:06:09.290 --> 00:06:15.120 Martin Baxter: Role as chair of our Parish Council.

60 00:06:17.260 --> 00:06:18.290 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic.

61 00:06:18.760 --> 00:06:20.590 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then over to you, Jane.

62 00:06:21.930 --> 00:06:44.729 Jane MacKinnon: Oh, hi everyone. Yeah, so I'm really interested in, the possibility of purchasing the village farm, but I haven't really advertised this, because obviously I don't want the farmer to hear that we're looking into this at this stage. But, we have got a village farm, and I've got a very nice farmer, and he's quite elderly.

63 00:06:44.730 --> 00:07:06.269 Jane MacKinnon: And he will be leaving the farm to his nephew. And they have had a lot of interest from developers wanting to buy the farmland to build houses, and obviously that's something that we would want to prevent. And I know Michael, who is the farmer, that is something that he wants to prevent. You know, he's hoping that his family will take the farm on.

64 00:07:06.270 --> 00:07:30.710 Jane MacKinnon: onwards over the years, but of course, you know, that… with difficulties in farming, that might not be the way, and his nephew's already from another farm at Tring, so we just feel that this farm's at a little bit of risk, and so we'd really like to investigate what the possibilities are to get funding, to buy a farm that size, if it's possible to do that for the community and for the parish.

65 00:07:30.820 --> 00:07:55.370 Jane MacKinnon: And if it is possible, it's at that point we would actually approach the farmer himself while he's still with us, and see whether or not it would be something that they would be interested in, because obviously we would be looking at somebody to run the farm, and possibly the idea that the National Trust have, where they actually take young people who want to get into farming, and they, you know, run the farmer's

66 00:07:55.370 --> 00:08:15.719 Jane MacKinnon: at farmers. So, obviously, I don't really know anything much about running farmers, but clearly, Jules, you bought a farm in your village, and that's kind of what's inspired me. So, it's very early days, and I want to keep it under wraps, because there's lots of Chinese whispers, and I really don't want the farmer to hear anything about it until we actually approach him ourselves, otherwise I think he'll be quite upset.

67 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:17.739 Jane MacKinnon: So that's it for me, really.

68 00:08:19.150 --> 00:08:24.950 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic. Excuse me. Fantastic. And, just for the record, you're chair of Halton Parish Council.

69 00:08:24.950 --> 00:08:49.870 Jane MacKinnon: Oh, yes, sorry, I'm chair of Halton Parish Council, and the village is in Halton, in Halton Parish. And in actual fact, the farm, part of it's in Halton Parish, but part of it's actually in Western Terville Parish as well, which is why it's so good to work with our neighbouring parishes on everything that we're doing going forward. And I do know that Michael at one time did own farmland in Wendover Parish, but I believe he has sold that on.

70 00:08:49.870 --> 00:09:05.590 Jane MacKinnon: But we don't know yet until we find out all the farms that he owns, and we have somebody on our parish council who's, just getting access to all the land registry information so that we can actually identify, which fields and what land is covered by, the farm.

71 00:09:06.850 --> 00:09:25.089 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fabulous. So we've got three chairs, 3 parish councils, Clark, delighted that we've been joined by, the school as well. There's lots of stuff we can do with our education establishments and students. And we've been joined by a few other people. Sean, can you hear us now, having rejoined?

72 00:09:26.100 --> 00:09:38.590 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, you're on mute. We're just doing a quick round of introductions and what you would like to get out of today, so I can tailor some of the information towards people's particular motivations for being here.

73 00:09:44.460 --> 00:09:46.299 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, over to you, Sean.

74 00:09:46.550 --> 00:10:05.309 Sean McCarthy: Oh, me! Okay. Well, I'm leading a little biodiversity group, and so, it's not so much from the land point of view, but if there is land that needs to be developed in some way, it would be interesting to know what the biodiversity is there, and contribute to that in some way.

75 00:10:05.670 --> 00:10:08.670 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Absolutely. Fantastic. And then we've got Joy.

76 00:10:11.270 --> 00:10:15.879 Joy O’Neill: Hello, yes, so I'm leading the, food and farming group.

77 00:10:16.030 --> 00:10:22.909 Joy O’Neill: But again, we're interested in, land, land…

78 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:28.739 Joy O’Neill: Potentially between and around the villages that would… could have…

79 00:10:29.020 --> 00:10:44.360 Joy O’Neill: a double purpose in being that buffer to stop the kind of development, and stop us all becoming a huge part of Aylesbury, but also a place to grow food.

80 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:54.860 Joy O’Neill: potentially community-supported agriculture. Again, potentially advertising that out to, sort of, growers or potential growers.

81 00:10:54.860 --> 00:11:06.919 Joy O’Neill: In the area. Yeah, those are the type of things that we were talking about on the day that we all met, but also at our meeting since then.

82 00:11:09.350 --> 00:11:12.180 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fabulous. And finally, I think, Andrea.

83 00:11:16.710 --> 00:11:19.069 Andrea: Do you hear me? Yes.

84 00:11:19.750 --> 00:11:32.440 Andrea: Yes, okay. Hello, everyone. Thank you for the invitation. I'm not at home at the moment, so you might hear a back noise. Mainly, I…

85 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:37.079 Andrea: I'm part of the south of France, the Ivers.

86 00:11:37.250 --> 00:11:44.400 Andrea: And, I think we discussed it in previous, phase-to-face meetings in Wendover.

87 00:11:44.700 --> 00:11:48.819 Andrea: It's more about the access to lands

88 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:58.529 Andrea: To develop communities and, work in partnership with the land, the farm owners.

89 00:11:58.990 --> 00:12:08.009 Andrea: To create more, more, opportunities, not only regarding to, the right to healthy food.

90 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.779 Andrea: These other projects that might be suitable

91 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:19.970 Andrea: For the benefit of the communities and the future, a better future.

92 00:12:22.170 --> 00:12:32.740 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic, wow. Okay, so it sounds like there's a real, there's a lot of interest in acquiring land via parish councils to help protect

93 00:12:32.740 --> 00:12:49.609 Joolz | Community Climate Action: or facilitate nature-based recovery, help protect our biodiversity, protect our villages from becoming sprawling suburbs and just housing development. There's an interest in biodiversity, and there's an interest in food.

94 00:12:49.950 --> 00:12:54.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which is fantastic, so there's some really interesting starting points there.

95 00:12:54.810 --> 00:12:57.660 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, I've got a short presentation.

96 00:12:57.780 --> 00:13:00.540 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hopefully not death by PowerPoint.

97 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.030 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we'll run through that.

98 00:13:03.260 --> 00:13:09.019 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then we can dive in, and it also seems to be…

99 00:13:09.190 --> 00:13:16.159 Joolz | Community Climate Action: quite a lot of a focus on the how and the money, which is great, so I can kind of walk you through

100 00:13:16.940 --> 00:13:35.389 Joolz | Community Climate Action: the projects that we've completed, and a couple of projects we've got in progress, and the steps taken to get to that point. In a similar vein, some of which… some of which I'll talk about is for my parish council, because I'm also a parish councillor, and so some of it's very much… very much work in progress.

101 00:13:35.800 --> 00:13:40.730 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, so it's really interesting to kind of share that journey.

102 00:13:40.760 --> 00:13:58.279 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And let you know where we are. I do have examples and precedents for other parish councils that have complete… who have delivered projects like this, and if it's of interest moving forward, I'd happily grab one or two of those parish councillors, particularly where they've done a community land trust.

103 00:13:58.280 --> 00:14:03.590 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And get them in to do a webinar to talk about their actual lived experience of delivering those projects.

104 00:14:04.180 --> 00:14:07.950 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, first of all, let me just…

105 00:14:08.540 --> 00:14:12.110 Joolz | Community Climate Action: fire up a PowerPoint. Let me see how I can,

106 00:14:12.920 --> 00:14:15.990 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Make sure all of this works, so bear with me a moment.

107 00:14:21.020 --> 00:14:25.249 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There we go, so I need to just share my screen.

108 00:14:36.190 --> 00:14:37.060 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hmm.

109 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:42.859 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Not sure you can see, it just shows a green… green square on my screen. Can anyone see?

110 00:14:43.020 --> 00:14:45.420 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Should have a community climate action slide.

111 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.890 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If not, then I'll just try… I'll try again.

112 00:14:50.130 --> 00:14:51.290 3. Rachel Blackmore: Not yet.

113 00:14:51.290 --> 00:14:51.770 Sean McCarthy: Oh, yeah.

114 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:54.959 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Might take a moment to load.

115 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:15.249 Joolz | Community Climate Action: appears to have… appears to have hung a little bit with Zoom, so in the meantime, just to… let's just talk about land a little bit, until Zoom catches up with me.

116 00:15:15.350 --> 00:15:23.779 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So… Oh, might have frozen a bit myself. Land, what is it good for?

117 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:31.279 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Well, it's great for well-being, green space, biodiversity, and we've also touched on food.

118 00:15:31.730 --> 00:15:34.189 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Also good for housing.

119 00:15:34.560 --> 00:15:39.300 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And… Moy.

120 00:15:39.680 --> 00:15:44.670 Joolz | Community Climate Action: My screen appears to have frozen, but I will just carry on, so…

121 00:15:45.020 --> 00:15:50.139 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, one of the things we're going to talk about is, sort of, what's… Oh, oh, oh.

122 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.530 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Don't know if you guys can still hear me, I've just got an error.

123 00:15:53.530 --> 00:15:55.430 Sean McCarthy: We can hear you, but we can't see you.

124 00:15:55.620 --> 00:15:59.040 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay, cool, I've just got an error message. We can see you now.

125 00:15:59.220 --> 00:16:04.190 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great. It was just asking me to send an error report, so…

126 00:16:04.890 --> 00:16:10.310 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, but let's, let's see if this works, if it works this time. Hang on, let's try again.

127 00:16:11.340 --> 00:16:13.470 Wendover Parish Council - Office: You gotta love modern technology.

128 00:16:13.470 --> 00:16:14.210 Sean McCarthy: Hmm.

129 00:16:14.370 --> 00:16:29.169 Joolz | Community Climate Action: When it works, it's great. When it doesn't… when it doesn't, I mean, oh, there we go, right, you should be able to see a slide. Fantastic. So, this is our, Community Climate Action Wendover and Villages Deep Dive Into Land.

130 00:16:30.410 --> 00:16:35.539 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So what is it good for? I just mentioned a few things. Energy. Energy generation.

131 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:51.960 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Food, you know, we, we, we need our farmer three times a day. Biodiversity, and those are the lovely little creatures that we're all, we're all part of the, our ecology and our world. Lovely little creatures that do all our pollination and help, help keep everything moving.

132 00:16:51.970 --> 00:17:04.149 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Our wellbeing, it's well documented that, both in terms of physical and mental health, being outside in green space is very beneficial to our respective well-being, and housing.

133 00:17:04.230 --> 00:17:21.580 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Housing development doesn't necessarily need to be persimmon or wimpy style, and probably what you're witnessing going up around you. It can actually be done really well, and in a regenerative way, and also in a way that, supports the local community.

134 00:17:25.310 --> 00:17:29.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So Mark Twain said, buy land. They're not making it anymore.

135 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.340 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which is very, very sensible. Once it's gone, it's gone.

136 00:17:33.800 --> 00:17:48.969 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, you know, if you are suffering from overdevelopment and being enclosed by housing and risk of becoming a suburb of a larger place, we've got similar sprawl in Suffolk and Norfolk and East Anglia.

137 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:57.099 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, it's really important to grab hold of those bits and protect them, hence buy it. Buy it, they're not making it anymore.

138 00:17:57.220 --> 00:18:05.460 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It can be used for energy and for food production, and we've got a live project that we're just receiving our Community Energy Fund, or as it's now.

139 00:18:05.530 --> 00:18:18.319 Joolz | Community Climate Action: the Great British Energy Community Fund, which is slightly more of a mouthful to say. We're just receiving $40,000 in feasibility money to look at a 50-acre field where we're hoping to cultivate food and

140 00:18:18.520 --> 00:18:22.510 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Grow Energy. The project's actually called Growing Community Energy.

141 00:18:23.070 --> 00:18:37.159 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There are maps available showing where wind turbines can be placed, and particularly on farms, when we're looking at distributed networks production, farms have a need for energy.

142 00:18:37.280 --> 00:18:42.629 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But they're also eminently suitable for, you know, putting a… popping up a wind turbine or similar.

143 00:18:42.800 --> 00:18:47.740 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That provides a ground rent to farmers, which is often very attractive.

144 00:18:47.970 --> 00:19:06.129 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which is one of the reasons there's a proliferation of industrial solar farms, because being a farmer isn't easy. You're the squeezed middle between big ag and the supermarkets, and they're really searching… they might be… they might be capital rich, but they're cash poor, and they might be searching around for, some income.

145 00:19:06.130 --> 00:19:15.020 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, that's what we're looking at with the particular farmer that owns the 50 acres, where we're planning our agri-voltaics and some wind turbines.

146 00:19:15.580 --> 00:19:21.229 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As you'll have seen before, yes, as a community, what came out of our community climate action planning

147 00:19:21.540 --> 00:19:32.160 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Was we bought some land. It's called Eye Farm, and it was 10 acres of derelict land, and that's for nature, nature-based recovery.

148 00:19:32.410 --> 00:19:34.220 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We've got 4 acres of fenn.

149 00:19:34.580 --> 00:19:40.330 Joolz | Community Climate Action: and a little bit of community-supported agriculture. Although it's not really a business, it's more…

150 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:50.199 Joolz | Community Climate Action: the well-being bit that we're interested in, the gathering together and the growing together. Bit like an allotment, we're never going to make a super amount of money doing it.

151 00:19:50.200 --> 00:20:04.270 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But that does mean that we can provide fresh vegetables, both for ourselves, potentially for the pub, and potentially for other members of the community, and food… food banks, and or charities like Still Good Food, where they have dry goods or tin goods, but they rarely get

152 00:20:04.270 --> 00:20:05.240 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fresh veg.

153 00:20:07.320 --> 00:20:22.579 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, forest schools or schools, you know, an educational activity outdoors is another productive use of the kind of space you could create on a piece of land. So there's our rigs, that we put down for growing food.

154 00:20:22.660 --> 00:20:37.629 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We've had a couple of fallow years recently where we're just letting the soil kind of heal itself, because it was previously, utilized as a pig farm, and you can just see a couple of the pig huts remaining on the field, although we've taken most of those off.

155 00:20:38.130 --> 00:20:50.600 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And actually, one of my joys when we… when we got the land was it was… it was enclosed with lots of fences and pig enclosures and rusty barbed wire fences, and one of my particular joys was…

156 00:20:50.870 --> 00:20:57.359 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Cutting and rolling up all of the old barbed wire, and just opening up the land and removing the fences.

157 00:20:57.540 --> 00:21:20.530 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We've subsequently gone on to have a biodiversity audit done by the ecologist at Norfolk Wildlife Trust, just to give a sort of benchmark and us to understand how to manage the land. But as a… maybe as a gifted bunch of amateurs, you know, we're no experts, so we also rely on guidance and expertise from our local wildlife trusts and other

158 00:21:20.530 --> 00:21:22.589 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Other organizations as well.

159 00:21:22.700 --> 00:21:26.769 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that's an ongoing conversation in terms of how…

160 00:21:26.970 --> 00:21:31.380 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And for the, to the benefit of the ecology.

161 00:21:31.620 --> 00:21:38.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And also how we manage it in terms of water and water resilience and soil, and carbon, and all of these kind of things.

162 00:21:39.040 --> 00:21:48.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm just… I'm just applying not at iFarm, but a separate… a separate… much larger commercial farm. I'm just applying… applying for £100,000 in funding.

163 00:21:48.380 --> 00:22:02.090 Joolz | Community Climate Action: via Innovate UK and DEFRA's Adopt program to install a wallopini. And this is a picture of a wallopini you can see on screen. And a wallopini is a greenhouse that's recessed 4 foot into the ground.

164 00:22:02.600 --> 00:22:05.909 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that gives it extra insulation and thermal mass.

165 00:22:06.190 --> 00:22:18.419 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we're gonna heat it with ground source heat pumps, not your traditional heat exchange, but literally pipes 8 foot under the ground, go out 120 foot, and any air blown through that warms naturally.

166 00:22:18.830 --> 00:22:31.439 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And what that does is it maintains a constant ambient temperature of 17 degrees inside, which means it's cooled in summer and heated in winter.

167 00:22:31.690 --> 00:22:38.440 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And what we're really testing, and I'm confident we'll be able to do it, is the amount of sunlight we receive year-round.

168 00:22:38.790 --> 00:22:54.500 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We're going to be testing all sorts of other things, because it's an Innovate UK grant in terms of yield, growth, water, all of these kind of things, energy use. It should be about 80p a day to heat it, so we're hoping to keep that as the target.

169 00:22:54.670 --> 00:23:13.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But what that means is that we can grow citrus fruit year-round in the UK, oranges, lemons. I can see your hand, Sean. I'll come back to you after the presentation, we'll do questions after. But do feel free to put it in the chat as an aid de memoir, and so, you know, so we can all… we can read it and come back to it.

170 00:23:13.490 --> 00:23:20.460 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But also, with something like this, we can do a tree layer, a shrub layer, a vine layer, and a ground layer. And a wallopini…

171 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:25.199 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's… and you, you know, you can have allotments and what have you by the side.

172 00:23:25.710 --> 00:23:30.060 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's what a wallopini looks like on the inside. This one's in Nebraska.

173 00:23:30.310 --> 00:23:37.810 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And they're growing oranges year-round with, minus… minus 20 outside and 8 foot of snow.

174 00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:46.360 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that gives… that's sort of indicative, and one wallopini should be enough to feed around 140 homes.

175 00:23:47.100 --> 00:23:51.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: With winter veg and fresh fruit year-round.

176 00:23:52.030 --> 00:23:53.649 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's our ambition.

177 00:23:53.980 --> 00:24:13.410 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we've got a business plan for it, and Innovate UK bid's not inconsequential, so it comes with Gantt charts, project plans, all of that, all of that kind of thing. So we'll happily share that information. In fact, that's what the Adopt funding is for. It's called Adopt because it's hoped that other farmers will adopt the innovations that come out of the program.

178 00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:17.959 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Land can also be used for housing.

179 00:24:18.670 --> 00:24:23.529 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we'll probably talk a little bit about social housing in perpetuity.

180 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:41.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Via way of community land trusts. That is the most common way for parish councils in particular to provide houses to those that live in our respective villages, because I'm sure Buckinghamshire's the same. We're… we're kind of in the, you know, the community belt from London spread further, further north.

181 00:24:41.600 --> 00:24:44.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As it has, our house prices have got higher and higher and higher.

182 00:24:45.150 --> 00:24:51.829 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And now our young people struggle to live here, because it's really hard for them to get on the property ladder.

183 00:24:52.310 --> 00:25:05.670 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's really hard if they've moved away to cities to get work. We've… we're in, sort of, decline. We've got an aging population. For the first time ever, we haven't got… we haven't got a full primary school.

184 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:14.410 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, of course, if that trend continues, that means our primary school might close. And as parish councillors, we all want to see kids.

185 00:25:14.590 --> 00:25:19.320 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And young people, in our community and in our village, to make it vibrant and to make it thrive.

186 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:34.369 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, regenerative settlements, rural exception sites, and providing housing in perpetuity is, is a possibility. There are, as I say, plenty of case studies and, parishes that have done it.

187 00:25:36.260 --> 00:25:40.869 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And of course, you've already got projects going on where you are.

188 00:25:40.990 --> 00:25:43.690 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In terms of biodiversity and resilience.

189 00:25:44.330 --> 00:25:55.160 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You've got the Wendover Wild Belt, you've got hedges being planted, wildflower meadows, fruit trees, you know, we can have, food forests and community gardens as well.

190 00:25:55.280 --> 00:26:18.610 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And this kind of activity lends itself really well to participation from our local schools, getting our kids out, you know, school visits, learning by doing a little bit of citizen science projects and those kind of things. So it can provide a wider green space, and also allow our children as they grow up to really understand how we care for our

191 00:26:18.790 --> 00:26:20.180 Joolz | Community Climate Action: natural world.

192 00:26:21.030 --> 00:26:38.420 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In terms of revenue, we've mentioned energy, we've mentioned housing, and this one is particular for biodiversity net gain credits. And the Environment Bank are an organization, and there are many, it's a bit… I guess it's a bit like the BBC. I've got to just mention this is only one of many.

193 00:26:38.430 --> 00:26:53.179 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But I'll put it here for your reference. And they come in and they'll manage, the biodiversity gain, restoring habitats, and this kind of thing. And they generally, I think, they generally look at anything 20 hectares or above.

194 00:26:53.800 --> 00:27:08.189 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's roughly about 50 acres, so it might be in that kind of ballpark. It's a 20 to 30 year commitment in terms of carbon sequestration, but it can generate revenue. And of course, when we come on… coming on to talk about funding.

195 00:27:08.340 --> 00:27:13.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: how do we buy this with capital? Generally, whatever capital is employed.

196 00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:20.800 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Needs to see a return, either via interest or… and ultimately, generally, the capital repaid.

197 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:28.109 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So routes to revenue are really important. That might be a business in terms of food.

198 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:46.379 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I'm not suggesting farming is easy, because I just said farmers are the squeezed middle, and if it was that easy, everybody would really be doing it. But there are routes to regenerative agriculture and, diversification that can mitigate that risk and actually deliver revenue for a land-based project.

199 00:27:46.660 --> 00:27:57.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, we've mentioned food, we… there's also a possibility for educational courses, green spaces, well-being.

200 00:27:57.280 --> 00:28:01.439 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Biodiversity net gain, and of course, energy generation.

201 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:06.780 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Amongst other, things, but those are really the headlines.

202 00:28:08.620 --> 00:28:12.820 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I've just taken a screenshot of this, and,

203 00:28:13.510 --> 00:28:21.470 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, people might be particularly interested in this when we consider… our… and Martin and,

204 00:28:22.040 --> 00:28:29.360 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And what have you, when we particularly consider our Parish responsibility for biodiversity duty.

205 00:28:29.990 --> 00:28:35.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, as parish councils, we now have a statutory biodiversity duty, where we should really measure

206 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:45.850 Joolz | Community Climate Action: where we're at. We should do an audit, because we should take into consideration biodiversity with every single decision we make as a parish council.

207 00:28:46.210 --> 00:28:54.179 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We've got… if you haven't got a biodiversity policy, we've got a model biodiversity policy you can look at, add to your agenda, and vote on.

208 00:28:54.580 --> 00:29:07.309 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If you have one, you might want to review it in light of the model policy, and see how yours might be improved, or indeed, even if you've got something better already, how we might improve our model biodiversity policy.

209 00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:18.970 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And this particular iNaturalist application and map is handy for citizen science, so people can record stuff, you can take pictures, you can pop it on the map.

210 00:29:18.970 --> 00:29:35.130 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And you can make some observations, see species identifiers, and how many observers. So, in Essex, for instance, the Essex BioBlitz had, which is countywide, but had about 1,000 plus, observers.

211 00:29:35.550 --> 00:29:39.529 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So there's a link there, and I'll share the slides as well with the recording.

212 00:29:40.290 --> 00:29:42.670 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, of course, when we're talking about land.

213 00:29:43.750 --> 00:29:45.820 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Every journey starts with a map.

214 00:29:46.860 --> 00:29:50.699 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, so, what's around us? How are we gonna find it?

215 00:29:51.250 --> 00:30:02.590 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So this particular map, this is called Vote Wind, which is a project between Community Energy England, I think center for Sustainable Energy, and was developed by a colleague and friend of mine, Stefan Hazel Swimmer.

216 00:30:03.170 --> 00:30:04.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And…

217 00:30:04.870 --> 00:30:13.170 Joolz | Community Climate Action: you can see on the map where there's a sort of blue shading. Now, that's… that's where you're unlikely to be able to place a wind turbine.

218 00:30:13.320 --> 00:30:26.349 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Due to planning constraints, and that might be sites of special scientific interest, heritage areas, proximity to homes, proximity to flight paths, this kind of thing.

219 00:30:26.520 --> 00:30:31.330 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Or wind speed and similar, but you can see spots on the map

220 00:30:31.710 --> 00:30:36.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Where, it's much lighter, and that's possible.

221 00:30:36.330 --> 00:30:38.090 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To have a wind turbine.

222 00:30:38.670 --> 00:30:41.319 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So when you're considering the use of land.

223 00:30:41.620 --> 00:30:46.569 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, if you're going to look at a piece of farmland, there might be an opportunity to put a wind turbine on it.

224 00:30:46.810 --> 00:30:50.189 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And a 1MW wind turbine

225 00:30:50.890 --> 00:31:06.060 Joolz | Community Climate Action: 1 megawatt being what you can generally get connectivity to the grid without too much of a weight, and just plug in, that would probably accrue a ground rent in the region of £20,000 to the landowner. So, obviously, that's quite a sizeable amount of funding.

226 00:31:06.060 --> 00:31:17.999 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If you've got a piece of land that you want to look after moving forward, because really, it's… acquiring the land's great, but the maintenance and the management of that, in line with best practice for the ecology.

227 00:31:18.060 --> 00:31:21.080 Joolz | Community Climate Action: will… Require ongoing funding.

228 00:31:24.150 --> 00:31:31.010 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Another map here is the Friends of the Earth Onshore Renewables map, which has the same wind data.

229 00:31:31.140 --> 00:31:40.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's a data set from, I think, Anglia Ruskin University called Irenis, which is Integrating Renewable Energy and Ecosystem Services.

230 00:31:41.530 --> 00:32:01.329 Joolz | Community Climate Action: FOE have popped it in their version, and you can see solar and wind potential, for solar farms or similar. And as a desktop feasibility, it's really handy, it can cut out an awful lot of work moving forward. When you find a piece of land, look at it and go, and then discover later down the line it's not suitable. This is probably a good way to…

231 00:32:01.340 --> 00:32:03.889 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fast track that kind of assessment.

232 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:14.990 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Another mapping application, and I will do a little demo of this one, Land Explorer, is a mapping application I developed for an organization called Shared Assets.

233 00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:26.609 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And shared assets focuses on common good land use with shared benefits. So, it's how you get information on the land around you to find, access, and manage land.

234 00:32:27.040 --> 00:32:30.690 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Either for an existing project or a new one.

235 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:44.329 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, if you've ever… if you've ever wondered who owns that derelict piece of land that's not looked after, you walk or run past each day, or what's happening to playing fields, or if a plot is suitable for growing food.

236 00:32:44.680 --> 00:33:01.749 Joolz | Community Climate Action: This is… this is a really helpful tool. It's free, free at the point of use. It's got ordinance survey data, and it connects to land registry as well. So you can find suitable sites for your project, and provide insight or evidence as well. Both also really important, that evidence base for any community-based development.

237 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:15.770 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's a snapshot of some of the tools and the ordinance survey map, but like I say, I will do a little, little demo of it, certainly when I'm talking about the projects that we're delivering or delivered.

238 00:33:16.180 --> 00:33:24.769 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And of course, there's a, there's, there's another one called Parish Online, specifically developed to support town and parish councils.

239 00:33:24.890 --> 00:33:30.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There is an opportunity for a free 3-month subscription for town and parish councils.

240 00:33:31.020 --> 00:33:35.470 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So if you're interested in that, give me a shout, you know, offline or whatever.

241 00:33:35.470 --> 00:33:51.559 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In WhatsApp, and I can put you in touch with Parish online. You can get a 3-month free trial. The cost of the subscription depends on the number of households in your parish, so it sort of varies a bit. Our parish is really small, we've got a few hundred homes, so our subscription costs, I think, a £70 a year, something like that.

242 00:33:52.010 --> 00:34:01.430 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If a town or parish council subscribes, that also means community groups like Climate Action Western Turville and Wendover can use… can also use it.

243 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:06.800 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it has the same data in terms of solar potential, wind potential.

244 00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:19.880 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Also has handy stuff on there, like EPC data. And it has land registry castral parcels, but it doesn't quite tell you who owns it yet. I think they might be working on it, but for that, I use Land Explorer.

245 00:34:20.290 --> 00:34:24.279 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that, that's, that's the end of the presentation.

246 00:34:25.750 --> 00:34:29.089 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I might pause there just for a moment,

247 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:38.030 Joolz | Community Climate Action: and ask if there are any particular questions right now, and then I can go on to talk about some of the… some of the projects.

248 00:34:39.699 --> 00:34:43.350 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, does anyone… does anyone have a burning question? Sean, you had your hand up earlier.

249 00:34:43.350 --> 00:34:52.500 Sean McCarthy: I better ask my question. Well, initially it was about the, wallopinies? Wallapinis?

250 00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:53.040 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Painey, yeah.

251 00:34:53.040 --> 00:35:04.680 Sean McCarthy: Yeah. I mean, do… do you… are they built locally as a DIY thing, or do you import them and install them, or is there something in between? What sort of.

252 00:35:04.680 --> 00:35:09.349 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's a good question. I don't believe there is really one in the UK yet.

253 00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:10.229 Sean McCarthy: Oh, okay.

254 00:35:10.720 --> 00:35:28.450 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I say that in sort of air quotes, because there is essentially a wallopini at Ickworth Hall, just outside of Barrie St Edbans, which is a National Trust property, which, for all intents and purposes, has a similar structure, and they used to grow pineapple there.

255 00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:30.010 Joolz | Community Climate Action: 200 years ago.

256 00:35:30.940 --> 00:35:37.560 Joolz | Community Climate Action: When pineapple… and apparently the pineapple was so valuable, they rented it out for dinner parties, but you couldn't actually eat it.

257 00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:51.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah. So it's kind of old technology with a new twist in terms of how it's heated and some of the construction and manufacturing. We are in discussions with a company in America that have deployed around 70.

258 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:53.539 Sean McCarthy: of them in Nebraska.

259 00:35:54.120 --> 00:36:01.350 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we may import. They've got European distribution, but it's, again, it's fairly Heath Robinson.

260 00:36:01.520 --> 00:36:17.139 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We're also in discussions with an agricultural equipment manufacturer called Shelbourne Reynolds, who are an engineering company, and as part of the Innovate UK Adopt funding, they may actually engineer and tool some stuff so it can be replicated.

261 00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:29.360 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, yeah, I mean, so it is literally breaking new ground, figuratively and literally, and innovating. But I'm confident, subject to the latitude, that's the thing, is we're further north.

262 00:36:29.500 --> 00:36:42.909 Joolz | Community Climate Action: than Nebraska. You know, if you look at with… I mean, even in Midwest America, they get terrible cold winters, but we're actually further north, so we get a little bit less sunlight. So it's really whether or not we get the correct amount of sunlight all year, but I'm.

263 00:36:42.910 --> 00:36:51.060 Sean McCarthy: I mean, many stately homes have their traditional orangeries and things like that, and growing grapes and bananas here, so I'm sure we can work it out.

264 00:36:51.060 --> 00:36:52.440 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, of course.

265 00:36:52.680 --> 00:36:56.379 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, definitely. It's definitely been done before. I'm confident we can do it.

266 00:36:56.430 --> 00:36:58.390 Sean McCarthy: So, I think Andrea and then Rachel.

267 00:37:05.700 --> 00:37:07.879 Andrea: Can you hear me now? Yes?

268 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:08.500 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Peace.

269 00:37:08.500 --> 00:37:19.379 Andrea: Yes, again, I am with, Sean about this wonderful greenhouse. I wonder if you mentioned Wild Trust.

270 00:37:19.990 --> 00:37:27.750 Andrea: And you mentioned about contacting agriculture organizations that can build that, but…

271 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:36.459 Andrea: I was… I just… it came to my mind, you know, how we can involve the community in the building of that.

272 00:37:37.160 --> 00:37:41.889 Andrea: Without relying all the time on big, big organizations.

273 00:37:42.130 --> 00:37:45.600 Andrea: Because I thought about the men in the shed.

274 00:37:46.100 --> 00:37:55.579 Andrea: I mean, they might not be able to do the whole, but they might contribute on something, I'm not sure, something that came to my mind, and then…

275 00:37:55.950 --> 00:37:59.760 Andrea: in partnership to Wild… Wildlife Trust.

276 00:38:00.230 --> 00:38:08.829 Andrea: Maybe something to look at, how we can involve the local people to build those things.

277 00:38:09.630 --> 00:38:18.290 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Absolutely. Yeah, no, I'll be a big fan of that, and I'm no expert in terms of construction or engineering, but I'm going to be getting my hands dirty building.

278 00:38:18.290 --> 00:38:18.660 Andrea: And the…

279 00:38:18.660 --> 00:38:19.440 Joolz | Community Climate Action: stuff.

280 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:21.909 Andrea: And we have an architect.

281 00:38:22.130 --> 00:38:30.110 Andrea: Yeah, in that… in the Iverse, one of the people that is connected is… I mean…

282 00:38:30.830 --> 00:38:34.910 Andrea: It takes, some of his voice.

283 00:38:35.170 --> 00:38:43.269 Andrea: is more heard at the parish council. He's an architect, so he might be interested as well, yeah.

284 00:38:44.780 --> 00:38:45.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Thank you.

285 00:38:45.790 --> 00:39:02.249 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, I mean, the, a lot of it's excavation, so someone that can drive a digger, that will save some money, and, you know, there's, there's some lifting and carrying as well, so yeah, absolutely, like a, like a traditional barn build, I think people can be involved, so. Rachel.

286 00:39:03.940 --> 00:39:27.020 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, it was me, actually. You've talked about different, funding streams, things like the Innovate UK and the DEFRA Adopt Fund, but when it comes to actually trying to acquire land within our parishes, like in Halton, on the border with Wendover, could you just sketch out what you think might be the best, approach for that, in terms of accessing funding?

287 00:39:28.010 --> 00:39:37.940 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, straight on the money then, David. Great. Yeah, how do we… how do we find the cash? So what we did, we bought 10 acres.

288 00:39:39.130 --> 00:39:42.019 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As a rule of thumb.

289 00:39:42.290 --> 00:39:46.470 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Prime agricultural land is probably about £10,000 per acre.

290 00:39:48.450 --> 00:39:51.310 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Roughly, that's, you know, give or take.

291 00:39:51.440 --> 00:40:00.220 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If it's not prime agricultural land, might be a little less. If there's some hope value for development, people might not want to sell it, or it might be more.

292 00:40:01.240 --> 00:40:10.370 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But roughly speaking, about £10,000 an acre, so we got just over 10… we got 10 and a half acres. The cost of that was £95,000, plus…

293 00:40:10.550 --> 00:40:14.859 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Conveyancing and legals, so probably about 100,000 in total.

294 00:40:15.510 --> 00:40:19.530 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we funded that through, just through a kind of friends and family network.

295 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And community share offer.

296 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:29.050 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I think the largest single, purchase of community shares was £10,000.

297 00:40:29.330 --> 00:40:34.219 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the, you know, the smallest charge was around 50, 50 pounds.

298 00:40:35.030 --> 00:40:38.479 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's… that's how we have… we funded ours initially.

299 00:40:38.950 --> 00:40:41.900 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If you bear with me just a moment,

300 00:40:42.770 --> 00:40:54.519 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So… and if you want to go the… community shares route. There's, there's a website called FX,

301 00:40:55.030 --> 00:40:59.379 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That will do a community fundraise for you.

302 00:41:01.430 --> 00:41:03.420 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I'll put the li- put the link in the chat.

303 00:41:03.600 --> 00:41:08.749 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's via Community Shares. There are a couple of projects on there. I think there's a Stockwood…

304 00:41:08.900 --> 00:41:19.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Community Benefits Society for Growing, Sustainable Farming, Renewable Energy, and Community Shares. There's, another couple on there as well.

305 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:29.849 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sole farm, in terms of community growing. So, it's an invest… so it's an investable… investable proposition.

306 00:41:30.110 --> 00:41:36.350 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For our 10 acres, like I say, we just did it locally, and it was kind of just friends and family. We had to move fairly quickly.

307 00:41:37.170 --> 00:41:46.869 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The ethics proposition goes out to a database, I think, of around 30 or 40,000 of socially-minded investors that they've got.

308 00:41:47.210 --> 00:41:51.710 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Now, with community shares, that's… that returns the rate of interest.

309 00:41:52.040 --> 00:41:59.529 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The rate of interest varies depending on the project, but typically, it's 4% plus.

310 00:41:59.860 --> 00:42:06.880 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As a 4% being a minimum, maybe 5.5%. There's always… there's generally always a cost of money. So there has to be a revenue.

311 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.819 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There has to be a route to ultimately paying back

312 00:42:12.210 --> 00:42:19.000 Joolz | Community Climate Action: the shares, the share capital, it's called withdrawable share capital. It's generally locked in for 3 to 5 years.

313 00:42:19.240 --> 00:42:25.790 Joolz | Community Climate Action: After that point, Reserves allowing, in terms of profit,

314 00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:37.010 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Investors can slowly withdraw their share capital, and over a period of 20 to 25 years, whatever the business plan says, you will have repaid that capital on no interest payments, and you'll retain the revenue.

315 00:42:37.210 --> 00:42:38.130 Joolz | Community Climate Action: From below.

316 00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:42.149 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's… that's one route, is via community shares.

317 00:42:42.500 --> 00:42:48.810 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That would be suitable for a community benefits society, potentially a community land trust.

318 00:42:50.390 --> 00:42:52.980 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And you'd really need…

319 00:42:53.130 --> 00:43:01.909 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It really… well, as with everything, you'll… you will… will need to write and detail a sensible business plan.

320 00:43:02.510 --> 00:43:08.350 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So what's the capital? Where's the revenue? What's the interest? How will it be paid back over time?

321 00:43:12.650 --> 00:43:14.630 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Other, other routes to funding?

322 00:43:15.740 --> 00:43:20.870 Joolz | Community Climate Action: our Public Works Loan Board borrowing? So, potentially.

323 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:29.840 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If you're at risk of losing a piece of land and you need to act quickly, as a parish council, we can borrow money for green… or for infrastructure development.

324 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.389 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we can use that… use that money to, potentially buy land.

325 00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:42.509 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Now, that, I think the Public Works Loan Board is about 6% at the moment.

326 00:43:43.080 --> 00:43:47.530 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And of course, it is a… it's… there… there is a risk.

327 00:43:47.950 --> 00:43:53.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: to parish councils. So again, we must go through a process of due diligence.

328 00:43:53.820 --> 00:44:13.289 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we must be confident in the outcome in terms of revenue generation, or what we're doing. So, a lot of… a lot of the planning bit, it comes down to desktop, you know, desktop feasibility. So, first of all, we'd map the land, where is it? We might get a quotation, or, you know, from Environment Bank or similar.

329 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:21.840 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We might look at the cost of housing development and or other productive use of the space, you know.

330 00:44:22.340 --> 00:44:28.860 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So there's Public Works Loan Board Borrowing, there's community shares.

331 00:44:29.570 --> 00:44:35.579 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And also, potentially, there are grants available. There might be capital grants.

332 00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:44.130 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And there can also be biz business partnerships. People like the Ecological Land Cooperative.

333 00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:46.730 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Generally tend to buy land.

334 00:44:47.240 --> 00:44:50.139 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And they will buy maybe 50 acres.

335 00:44:50.720 --> 00:44:59.510 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then they will divvy that up into 5 lots of 10-acre small holdings for people that want to get back to the land and actually farm it.

336 00:45:00.390 --> 00:45:14.070 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the Ecological Land Cooperative provide access to land for people that want to… want to farm it. So there's options for partnership with… with people like that.

337 00:45:14.490 --> 00:45:18.249 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So there's… there's a couple of… couple of examples.

338 00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:31.429 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But I guess… I guess my question is, what… what's the land, what's the potential, what could it be? And where would the revenue come from? Because that'll probably define access to capital.

339 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:37.400 3. Rachel Blackmore: So, in the case of your 10 acres, what is your projected revenue?

340 00:45:38.600 --> 00:45:54.329 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Very little at the moment, really. I mean, we did it to protect it, really, and also to provide space for us to gather as a community. I think our interest, and generally anyone that invests in withdrawable share capital community shares, is not doing so to make a profit.

341 00:45:54.330 --> 00:45:59.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And is probably putting their money in long-term, so it's what's described as patient capital.

342 00:45:59.640 --> 00:46:06.110 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So you're not going to have a bank manager knocking on your door saying, why haven't you made this money yet? Or, you know, can I have my money back, generally.

343 00:46:07.330 --> 00:46:18.299 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Our business plan is… the revenue generation from our business plan is based on utilizing the land for

344 00:46:18.810 --> 00:46:21.830 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Educational residential courses.

345 00:46:22.380 --> 00:46:28.979 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So it's maybe a bit of glamping in the summer where people can maybe come and learn a bit about permaculture and pay for the privilege.

346 00:46:29.520 --> 00:46:39.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that's something I've actually resigned from the management committee, so I'm less involved in a day-to-day basis, and that's something that's in the planning that they're doing at the moment.

347 00:46:41.220 --> 00:46:43.389 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's an option for revenue as well.

348 00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:49.100 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There are other…

349 00:46:49.250 --> 00:46:56.719 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I know that… that, again, at the farm, they've just made… just been starting to make inquiries with the Rural Payments Agency.

350 00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:11.450 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So once you're registered with DEFRI, you get an RPA number, and they've recently dropped the scale of land that you need. I think it was minimum 10 hectares. I think they might have dropped it to 5 or similar, where you can actually claim subsidy.

351 00:47:11.620 --> 00:47:24.139 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the land manager is now working on that to understand exactly what subsidies might be paid from the government for forestry or for countryside stewardship.

352 00:47:25.310 --> 00:47:41.039 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There was access to, SFI, Sustainable Farming Incentive Money, but that's been changed. And it's a little bit of a movable feast with DEFRA, and the government, and the current administration, you know, in terms of what is… might or may not be available.

353 00:47:41.270 --> 00:47:41.990 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So…

354 00:47:46.450 --> 00:47:49.580 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, does that… does that kind of answer your question?

355 00:47:52.170 --> 00:48:02.920 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yes, it does, thanks, yeah. No, I was, interested to know, about the sort of revenue streams and, because I know BCE were considering.

356 00:48:02.970 --> 00:48:16.690 3. Rachel Blackmore: A community share offer, and it's been difficult to sort of get the numbers to match, in terms of projected returns and returns on the investment and so on.

357 00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:19.440 Sean McCarthy: Okay.

358 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:20.050 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure, yeah.

359 00:48:20.050 --> 00:48:25.180 Sean McCarthy: Is there a role for biodiversity net gain in…

360 00:48:25.460 --> 00:48:30.739 Sean McCarthy: Community-type land, or does it have to be a commercial farm or something?

361 00:48:31.680 --> 00:48:36.819 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Oh, no, no, so the organization that I highlighted, called Environment Bank.

362 00:48:37.600 --> 00:48:41.700 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's specifically what they do. They will come and look at a piece of land.

363 00:48:41.780 --> 00:48:59.969 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And they will… they will manage the delivery of the biodiversity net gain credits, and even sell them. They'll come and plant the trees, maintain the trees, or similar, and maintain the land over a period of about 20 to 30 years. So that's a very long-term commitment, as is countryside stewardship, because you're probably signing up for about 20 years.

364 00:49:00.390 --> 00:49:08.059 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And there are certain things to be, you know, there's certain considerations. Our main consideration on that at the moment is access to water.

365 00:49:08.490 --> 00:49:15.300 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We've got no mains water on site at our piece of land. So how do we irrigate? You know, how do we…

366 00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:30.169 Joolz | Community Climate Action: particularly women, if we're looking at growing any kind of food, is particularly difficult. We can abstract, we've got, you know, up to 20,000 litres per day from the river and or well we've got, which is suitable for maybe trees, but less suitable.

367 00:49:30.170 --> 00:49:40.850 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For cultivating food. So, access to water, mains, that kind of thing, also very important, but yes, biodiversity net gain, possibly carbon credits.

368 00:49:40.970 --> 00:49:46.259 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And other, other subsidy for nature-based recovery is available.

369 00:49:47.510 --> 00:49:56.809 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But it's probably going to be a blend of income, you know, you might have a little bit from housing, possibly a little bit from energy, some from biodiversity, and possibly some from food.

370 00:49:57.540 --> 00:49:58.080 Sean McCarthy: Hmm.

371 00:49:58.080 --> 00:50:10.989 Frances Tipper: Jules, is this one way where, the… the various parish councils here could work together? Because you mentioned that the environment bank, they, they look for… is it…

372 00:50:11.190 --> 00:50:14.519 Frances Tipper: 50 acres, or hectares, you said, or 40 hectares?

373 00:50:14.520 --> 00:50:17.780 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, I… I… I think their minimum is 20 hectares.

374 00:50:17.780 --> 00:50:26.619 Frances Tipper: 20 hectares, okay, which we, obviously, in Wendover wouldn't have. So we'd need to combine the land that we have

375 00:50:26.900 --> 00:50:35.440 Frances Tipper: Can you do… can you ask that? Can you cover… can you cover various parish councils to cover that, so we could put together,

376 00:50:35.670 --> 00:50:41.069 Frances Tipper: various… Parts of the lands, pockets of land across the different parishes.

377 00:50:41.420 --> 00:50:52.470 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure, so I think there's two parts to that question. One is the physical aspect and geography of where the land is, and whether or not someone like Environment Bank would consider that as one project.

378 00:50:52.790 --> 00:50:54.990 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Don't know, I'll have to ask them.

379 00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:02.850 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I think it's possible. The second part to that is more a special purpose vehicle and or legal entity in RAPA that

380 00:51:02.980 --> 00:51:05.450 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Parish councils could participate in.

381 00:51:05.980 --> 00:51:17.429 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I would say, yes, there's no reason why, two or three, four parish councils can't collaborate. And in fact, I'd suggest that's probably a very sensible thing to do.

382 00:51:17.790 --> 00:51:26.470 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To work in cohort. It de-risks it, you know, makes it less lonely, gives you access to greater capital.

383 00:51:26.730 --> 00:51:33.700 Joolz | Community Climate Action: For instance, so if, you know, let's say you're looking at 50 acres, that's probably about half a million pounds.

384 00:51:34.560 --> 00:51:39.779 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And between 4 councils, 125,000 each kind of thing.

385 00:51:40.250 --> 00:51:49.509 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You could, you'd probably, the legal entity would probably be a community land trust.

386 00:51:50.650 --> 00:51:54.629 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which is a form of co-op. Well, it's a form of a community benefit society.

387 00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:09.140 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So it's got an asset lock, you know, so you can't be sold for private profit, that kind of thing. You have a… it's not for private profit. As an entity, you have a board, elected, management committee who volunteers.

388 00:52:09.540 --> 00:52:11.240 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And…

389 00:52:11.350 --> 00:52:22.129 Joolz | Community Climate Action: this is one of the reasons I asked about Silca, Andy, is because, if you've got SILCA qualification, or you can vote as a parish council general powers of competence.

390 00:52:22.450 --> 00:52:30.380 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that means you can do anything that an individual can do. So you can start a company, and that's essentially what you do, is start a community land trust.

391 00:52:30.690 --> 00:52:39.619 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As a company, and then you could have corporate membership, so every parish council could be a member, have voting rights, and you could decide your constitution and what have you.

392 00:52:40.270 --> 00:52:47.709 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To actually acquire the asset. So then it's owned and ma- owned and maintained, by a community land trust.

393 00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:55.879 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which has membership, including the parish councils. There are various things you can do, leases, covenants, that kind of thing as well.

394 00:52:55.990 --> 00:53:06.999 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that's when you start to get into the real detail of governance. But yes, it's perfectly possible for, more than one parish council to collaborate and have joint ownership.

395 00:53:07.820 --> 00:53:12.790 Frances Tipper: So, I mean, I know I'm really just thinking this through. I mean, it…

396 00:53:12.910 --> 00:53:23.770 Frances Tipper: it sounds… legally, do you have to get a legal expert, external legal expert, to help you set this all up? Because it does sound really complicated to me.

397 00:53:24.240 --> 00:53:27.599 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It's relatively complex.

398 00:53:28.490 --> 00:53:32.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We were supported by the Plunkett Foundation.

399 00:53:32.850 --> 00:53:42.179 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And they are brilliant people to go to for advice. They generally support… well, they support community businesses.

400 00:53:42.310 --> 00:53:51.360 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that generally tends to be pubs and shops, that's their, probably, forte. But the actual model rules and the governance is something they can support with.

401 00:53:52.280 --> 00:54:05.400 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Most of it's common sense, so if you look at a set of model rules, and you're reading the rules, and you think, well, actually, I don't want that rule, you can strike it off, or if there is something that's missing, you can just add it to your governance.

402 00:54:05.530 --> 00:54:12.729 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There are… I mean, I'm… I'm not… I'm not a bad person to go to for that, but there are people that are more specialists than I.

403 00:54:12.750 --> 00:54:27.670 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In particular, when it comes to a lawyer, or conveyancing, or lease agreements, we are… we received, some pro bono support and funding for that via the Norfolk Community Foundation.

404 00:54:27.710 --> 00:54:30.560 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So they've got a roster of solicitors.

405 00:54:30.670 --> 00:54:37.369 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, you know, we were looking at leasing a little bit of land to tip us over the threshold for permitted development.

406 00:54:37.710 --> 00:54:40.720 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So it means we can just build a barn without getting planning.

407 00:54:41.160 --> 00:54:48.559 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it was actually Norfolk Community Foundation that provided the legal advice on the lease for the land, for instance.

408 00:54:49.890 --> 00:55:07.060 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, yes, I mean, there is… there is a process, and invariably, particularly because it's… it's public money, and it's… if it's parish council-led, you need significant due diligence, and you need the respective experts in place to show, yes, we've considered that, and yes, the contract is sound.

409 00:55:07.140 --> 00:55:11.580 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As… as with buying anything like a house, or… or similar.

410 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:19.160 Frances Tipper: Yeah, I mean, I have complete faith in Andy on this. I know he will know this inside out, so I'm really not worried.

411 00:55:19.490 --> 00:55:20.889 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great.

412 00:55:21.980 --> 00:55:24.419 Wendover Parish Council - Office: Andy says, get an expert.

413 00:55:24.950 --> 00:55:33.830 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Well, quiet, Andy. That's my view as well, it's, it's not being the expert, it's knowing which experts to get and when.

414 00:55:33.830 --> 00:55:43.609 Wendover Parish Council - Office: I'm actually flicking through my well-thumbed Arnold Baker, and I think even if you don't have the general power of competence, you can still do it. I think…

415 00:55:44.060 --> 00:55:51.959 Wendover Parish Council - Office: Section 136 of the Local Government Act will give you the power to do it, so I wouldn't see… I wouldn't see that as a barrier.

416 00:55:52.460 --> 00:55:54.170 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic. Thank you.

417 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:58.310 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's… that's me learning as well, so… Much appreciated.

418 00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:06.579 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Any other questions for now, I'll just kind of run through a couple of our projects.

419 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.200 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And some of the mapping.

420 00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:14.520 3. Rachel Blackmore: Have you got anything else to add on the regenerative housing?

421 00:56:15.990 --> 00:56:22.900 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Well, I'll tell you what, I'll talk through that… I'll talk through that when I… as we're looking at a project, project, so…

422 00:56:23.930 --> 00:56:27.370 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So where else to start? Let me have a look.

423 00:56:34.330 --> 00:56:37.500 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'll just share my screen again, and hopefully it'll work.

424 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:39.160 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Let's see…

425 00:56:43.170 --> 00:56:44.220 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There we go.

426 00:56:44.600 --> 00:56:49.489 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, this is Land Explorer, the mapping application that I mentioned.

427 00:56:50.100 --> 00:56:53.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And certainly, I find it really helpful,

428 00:56:53.920 --> 00:57:00.499 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It has, a bunch of drawing tools, so I can drop a marker, I can draw a polygon.

429 00:57:00.690 --> 00:57:08.750 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And with the polygon, if I'm drawing it around a field, for instance, it will tell me the area of the perimeter, and the area.

430 00:57:08.900 --> 00:57:25.479 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I know… I know if it's 30 acres or… or what have you. You can draw a line, you can edit them, and you can bin stuff. And so, you know, what's… what are the… what are the drawing tools helpful for? Well, this is an aerial view of our piece of land.

431 00:57:26.220 --> 00:57:31.100 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If I just pop on the aerial… Shot.

432 00:57:32.120 --> 00:57:43.300 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, pretty much, it's… it's this L-shape, and actually our land extends through… throughout this wooded area, the fen, but what we've drawn here is our water management.

433 00:57:46.300 --> 00:57:57.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So this is for flood mitigation and water management and drainage. So… just across the way, this, this big field here.

434 00:57:58.510 --> 00:58:00.349 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I will just draw it.

435 00:58:00.680 --> 00:58:05.860 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Roughly speaking…

436 00:58:07.330 --> 00:58:13.570 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm just gonna do it really quickly, just to illustrate the point. Roughly speaking, it was a… I'm pretty sure it was about

437 00:58:13.700 --> 00:58:21.250 Joolz | Community Climate Action: 40 hectares, something like that. And then you can look at information And…

438 00:58:21.650 --> 00:58:28.780 Joolz | Community Climate Action: the perimeter on this. So, it's… I've only drawn about 10 acres, but the field extends up here.

439 00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:37.500 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And when it rained.

440 00:58:37.820 --> 00:58:43.030 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There was a huge amount of runoff coming from that field, and it just… it sloped, it was…

441 00:58:43.550 --> 00:58:52.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: plowed down towards the, the road. There were no baffles, there were no hedges, no ditches, so all of that water just came straight off, the

442 00:58:53.290 --> 00:58:58.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm just gonna reload the map for one moment. Yeah, here we go.

443 00:58:59.490 --> 00:59:14.839 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And there were no baffles, no hedges, no ditches, so we just came straight onto the road, pulled all of the topsoil with it. We had about 4 foot of water on our field, and it was threatening homes. So, as I farm, we needed to do something about it. So, on this map at the top.

444 00:59:15.040 --> 00:59:16.759 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We can see…

445 00:59:17.180 --> 00:59:27.980 Joolz | Community Climate Action: These are French… the French drains at the entrances, and the French drains would run into pipes, and these are ditches, and the pipes would then take the water.

446 00:59:28.370 --> 00:59:31.770 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To around the outside of the fields.

447 00:59:32.010 --> 00:59:38.559 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And this area at the bottom by the river is designed to actually… it's designed to be managed flooding.

448 00:59:39.090 --> 00:59:43.699 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we're likely to be putting a berm, which is a raised piece of soil.

449 00:59:44.190 --> 00:59:55.800 Joolz | Community Climate Action: on the contour where these lines are drawn. That's for… I think that's… I think that's… it might be 10 or 20 meters from the river, can't remember the distance that we've got to be.

450 00:59:56.340 --> 01:00:02.200 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Without having the… without having an environment agency license to actually change the bank and this kind of thing.

451 01:00:02.260 --> 01:00:14.399 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So this would be managed flooding, and it would just be wetland, we'd allow it to flood, we'd have a berm, and we'd have drainage on site. So, this particular tool is helpful because it allows to draw.

452 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:25.819 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it also allows us to specify exactly the distance, so it's not quite… not quite pixel perfect, but, you know, if you need to buy a pipe, it'll give you a good estimate.

453 01:00:25.890 --> 01:00:37.879 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it's also got some really handy land data on there, so it'll give you the agricultural land classification. So we're on Grade 4 agricultural land, which isn't the best, and it's actually super sandy.

454 01:00:38.450 --> 01:00:45.370 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We can also have a look at a historical flood map, and that will give you an indication of currently where the river floods.

455 01:00:45.660 --> 01:00:55.289 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But because of the extreme precipitation due to climate change, we were actually experiencing an ingress of water from the top of the field down towards the river from

456 01:00:55.290 --> 01:01:08.690 Joolz | Community Climate Action: fields, rather than it's more natural up from the river, and that's a natural kind of floodplain. But that gives you an indication of where it floods. And then there's other things, like areas of special scientific interest, so we're just adjoining

457 01:01:08.690 --> 01:01:18.290 Joolz | Community Climate Action: SSIs, special protection areas, and in particular, you can look at land ownership. So… Here we go. So…

458 01:01:19.040 --> 01:01:22.180 Joolz | Community Climate Action: In terms of regenerative settlements, this is…

459 01:01:22.550 --> 01:01:25.180 Joolz | Community Climate Action: This is, our village of Hopton.

460 01:01:26.310 --> 01:01:27.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: just here.

461 01:01:28.020 --> 01:01:32.579 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the first polygon, just here,

462 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:45.809 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Let me just zoom in. This is a new housing development that's, being built, and it's about 27 homes, and it's being done by a local company called Burgess… Burgess Homes.

463 01:01:45.980 --> 01:01:56.290 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's currently in development. So, when looking at our parish, I mean, first of all, again, another handy thing is,

464 01:01:57.070 --> 01:02:05.629 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I can pop on parish boundaries, so I can see, exactly our parish. So this is the parish of Hopton.

465 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:17.740 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We're actually Hopton come Netishall, and Nettyshill is a tiny little hamlet with a lot of wild space. We have Nettle Heath Country Park in our parish, which is administered by Suffolk Wildlife Trust.

466 01:02:18.330 --> 01:02:29.079 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, as a starting point, I was trying to ascertain where might be possible for a regenerative settlement, for us to provide social housing in perpetuity.

467 01:02:31.170 --> 01:02:36.949 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And probably, probably it's kinda handy…

468 01:02:37.170 --> 01:02:47.750 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'll just turn off the, ownership layers at the moment, so you can see. It's probably handy that it's adjoining the new development,

469 01:02:48.240 --> 01:02:52.169 Joolz | Community Climate Action: These are… these are currently plowed fields. We've got a bowls club.

470 01:02:52.670 --> 01:03:05.380 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But the Bowls Club is only accessible down a very long, slightly muddy track out of the village, but it's… but it's actually right next door to the new development, but never the terrains you'll meet, you'd have to go all the way around.

471 01:03:05.380 --> 01:03:10.530 Sean McCarthy: So I was just kind of, like, exploring the spatial areas of… and what's around us.

472 01:03:10.630 --> 01:03:15.489 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I looked at, I looked at this particular field,

473 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.060 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, I'll go back to land ownership.

474 01:03:24.710 --> 01:03:32.779 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Noticeably, there's also, allotments, community gardens and farms, but mostly for Wales at the moment. I think they're slowly loading up data.

475 01:03:33.170 --> 01:03:36.409 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, if I go back to…

476 01:03:36.410 --> 01:03:38.940 Sean McCarthy: Jules, why would you use that and not perish online?

477 01:03:40.150 --> 01:03:42.780 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Parish Online doesn't show ownership data.

478 01:03:42.780 --> 01:03:43.440 Sean McCarthy: Okay.

479 01:03:44.170 --> 01:03:47.319 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It has the catastro Parcels, but it won't tell you who actually owns it.

480 01:03:48.020 --> 01:03:52.009 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And there isn't… there aren't any drawing tools in Parish Online.

481 01:03:53.650 --> 01:04:01.799 Wendover Parish Council - Office: And I… Can I… suggest that the new version of Parish Online probably

482 01:04:02.180 --> 01:04:04.100 Wendover Parish Council - Office: Has got that, so we can…

483 01:04:04.100 --> 01:04:04.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay, cool.

484 01:04:04.640 --> 01:04:10.289 Wendover Parish Council - Office: measure… you can measure length or area just as you did with the polygon tool.

485 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:19.100 Wendover Parish Council - Office: So we've certainly done it, you know, when we're measuring out the land we've got, how big our… how much water we've got in our pond kind of thing.

486 01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:26.490 Wendover Parish Council - Office: So we've been able to… the other thing I noticed on this, because I signed up the minute I saw it come up on your presentation.

487 01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:45.980 Wendover Parish Council - Office: And Sean and myself had a fantastic morning just going through Parrish Online, and all the different things that it could do. There's a lot of gaps on the land registry data, and there's a lot of land registry data where you click on it, and it just says, go to land registry.

488 01:04:46.140 --> 01:04:46.930 Wendover Parish Council - Office: dot com.

489 01:04:46.930 --> 01:04:47.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure.

490 01:04:47.640 --> 01:04:49.560 Wendover Parish Council - Office: So it's not a comp… it's…

491 01:04:49.670 --> 01:04:52.489 Wendover Parish Council - Office: Not a comprehensive kind of,

492 01:04:52.840 --> 01:05:05.969 Wendover Parish Council - Office: map at the moment, unfortunately, and so I noticed some areas that we… we are curious about are just blank at the minute. There's… there's no link to any map reference.

493 01:05:06.160 --> 01:05:16.190 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, I think about… I think about 30% of, land isn't registered with Land Registry. It's only been a requirement since 1988,

494 01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:29.989 Joolz | Community Climate Action: to digitise land registry, and so there's a whole chunk of land that's just passed down generation to generation with deeds in a desk drawer that isn't shown on land registry.

495 01:05:29.990 --> 01:05:33.300 Wendover Parish Council - Office: But it's not full, basically, it's… it's…

496 01:05:33.790 --> 01:05:37.160 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, so it's not foolproof, but it's definitely helpful.

497 01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:43.400 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I happen to… I'm happening to demonstrate Land Explorer because I'm more familiar with it.

498 01:05:43.450 --> 01:06:02.480 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And there's a couple of bits in it I like. It's also free at the point of use for any community groups, so I tend to demo Land Explorer, but Parish Online is equally good, and in fact has more granular data and various other features that Land Explorer definitely doesn't have, so…

499 01:06:02.860 --> 01:06:06.800 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, if you can use Parish Online, that's… that's fantastic.

500 01:06:07.590 --> 01:06:09.719 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So…

501 01:06:10.410 --> 01:06:20.320 Joolz | Community Climate Action: one of the things on here is, land ownership data, and it does have catastro Parcels on Parish Online, so if I zoom in, I can start to see who, you know, where…

502 01:06:20.740 --> 01:06:23.690 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Where the boundaries are for who owns what.

503 01:06:23.990 --> 01:06:27.989 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So this particular field here, I was really curious…

504 01:06:28.310 --> 01:06:30.579 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, it sort of rejoins,

505 01:06:31.610 --> 01:06:39.980 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It joins the existing development, it neighbours the Bowles Club, so I was kind of curious who owns… who owns this… this piece of land.

506 01:06:40.230 --> 01:06:46.250 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And… so if I click on it, I might need to zoom in a bit, hang on.

507 01:06:50.890 --> 01:06:56.839 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, there we go. So, what I actually discovered is it's owned by Suffolk County Council.

508 01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:07.050 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, on further investigation, I discovered that this particular field, which you can see here.

509 01:07:07.210 --> 01:07:12.809 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The field in its entirety is probably about 3… disaster yield.

510 01:07:13.340 --> 01:07:17.840 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it's owned by Suffolk County Council, and it's part of the County Farms estate.

511 01:07:18.090 --> 01:07:21.470 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I got in touch with the County Farm's estate manager.

512 01:07:21.790 --> 01:07:26.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And asked about the possibility of buying, buying land.

513 01:07:26.670 --> 01:07:35.230 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And the upshot of that conversation was, yes, it's entirely possible, there is a statutory mechanism for compensation to a farmer.

514 01:07:35.530 --> 01:07:38.770 Joolz | Community Climate Action: A tenant farmer, because the county farmer's estate is tenanted.

515 01:07:39.430 --> 01:07:44.710 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that if we've got change of use for planning, that's potentially…

516 01:07:44.940 --> 01:07:53.080 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, that's potentially, or that's a normal thing, is get a change of use, and, you know, then it can be sold.

517 01:07:53.730 --> 01:08:10.910 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Of that 300 acres, we're not… we don't look at all, we're just really looking at a price of 15 acres, which is this much smaller rectangle that's actually inside our parish boundary as well. And so we're looking at a plot of around 15 acres.

518 01:08:11.390 --> 01:08:14.729 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And that would be developed as a rural exceptions site.

519 01:08:15.250 --> 01:08:23.439 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which is a technical term for the planning authority, which is where they might give you planning on a site that wouldn't normally get planning.

520 01:08:23.580 --> 01:08:38.829 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So on a greenfield site, it's a rural exceptions site, and certainly we're being encouraged by our local authority, which is West Suffolk, to bring forward that as community-led development. We would be the first community-led development in West Suffolk.

521 01:08:39.930 --> 01:08:49.099 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The cabinet member, they want to move at pace, and the planning authority have encouraged us to go to pre-planning.

522 01:08:49.529 --> 01:08:54.139 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We've already had, I've already had…

523 01:08:54.380 --> 01:09:03.149 Joolz | Community Climate Action: a planning consultant look at it. So we've done a bit of desktop feasibility to get to this point, where we think it would be suitable to take forward.

524 01:09:03.890 --> 01:09:09.099 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So I've got a document on that that I've shared previously with Francis,

525 01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:21.299 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which just gives, it's just loading at the moment, but it gives a bit of background and links in terms of policy. There, there we go, it's loading up.

526 01:09:21.470 --> 01:09:28.940 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And links to things like the Council… sorry, the Campaign for the Protection of Rural England, their policy on rural housing.

527 01:09:40.170 --> 01:09:41.029 Frances Tipper: Jusico.

528 01:09:45.380 --> 01:09:48.990 Frances Tipper: Yeah, his internet isn't very stable, is it? We've lost both. Okay.

529 01:09:48.990 --> 01:09:55.420 3. Rachel Blackmore: his presentation. But, but yeah, interesting stuff. All sounds possible, and…

530 01:09:55.420 --> 01:10:05.850 Frances Tipper: Do you think we ought to follow up on that, though, Rachel? Because I know we've emailed together, but do you think… because… but I don't… I mean, I think… is it worth following up on the…

531 01:10:06.700 --> 01:10:08.290 Frances Tipper: Environment back.

532 01:10:08.410 --> 01:10:09.700 Frances Tipper: Environmental Bank.

533 01:10:09.700 --> 01:10:10.540 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Boom.

534 01:10:11.510 --> 01:10:12.449 3. Rachel Blackmore: Oh, hello, you're back.

535 01:10:12.450 --> 01:10:13.020 Joolz | Community Climate Action: books.

536 01:10:13.020 --> 01:10:14.980 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, well, I thought…

537 01:10:14.980 --> 01:10:18.759 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I thought I was doing really rather well there in terms of connectivity until Zoom crashed.

538 01:10:19.020 --> 01:10:19.790 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Lisa.

539 01:10:19.790 --> 01:10:22.780 Sean McCarthy: Rural, rural broadband is what you need, I think.

540 01:10:23.630 --> 01:10:25.080 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, absolutely.

541 01:10:26.740 --> 01:10:34.339 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There we go. So… I will just quickly share my screen again if it works.

542 01:10:40.230 --> 01:10:53.230 Wendover Parish Council - Office: While the technology wears away, what did you… so, what's the local opinion on, this community housing project? Because,

543 01:10:54.320 --> 01:11:04.379 Wendover Parish Council - Office: I can see people… villages with pitchforks and torches, if we even mention building houses in and around Wendover, no matter who.

544 01:11:04.820 --> 01:11:06.070 Wendover Parish Council - Office: develops it.

545 01:11:07.290 --> 01:11:20.939 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure. I think we've got… we've generally got good support in the village, and actually, as an initiative, it's really come from our parish council, rather than me. I didn't… I didn't propose it.

546 01:11:21.360 --> 01:11:26.610 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And… I think initially I was tasked with looking at a neighbourhood plan.

547 01:11:27.370 --> 01:11:38.550 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I talked to our head planner at the district, and he kind of said, why do you want a neighbourhood plan? You haven't got any housing scheduled for development in your parish. You know, that's the last bit.

548 01:11:38.690 --> 01:11:42.320 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I was kind of curious in terms of exploring, well, could we write in…

549 01:11:43.050 --> 01:11:47.959 Joolz | Community Climate Action: policy that would support renewable energy or biodiversity? And he said yes.

550 01:11:48.110 --> 01:11:57.240 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And… and really, I described the problem that we've got, is that there's no affordable housing, or within… within the 27 home development.

551 01:11:57.630 --> 01:12:08.969 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I think there were two affordable homes, and there's probably a couple of housing association homes, but I think our parish council was under the misapprehension that those housing association homes would home people in our village.

552 01:12:09.460 --> 01:12:13.689 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And of course, they're not. They will house people, whoever's top of the list in the district.

553 01:12:14.030 --> 01:12:18.070 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which is, you know, West Suffolk, so it's quite… it's the third of a county.

554 01:12:18.180 --> 01:12:31.280 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So the question remained, how do we support young people, empty nesters, and or, you know, 30-year-olds who are parents themselves, who are currently living with their parents in the village, to actually stay in the village?

555 01:12:32.040 --> 01:12:49.670 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And I don't think it's got that kind of, you know, lit torch and pitchfork, response. Because it is… because I think everybody identifies with that, and as we grow older in a… in our place-based area.

556 01:12:49.770 --> 01:12:54.009 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, we want our younger generation to come back and care for our elders. We want…

557 01:12:54.300 --> 01:13:03.729 Joolz | Community Climate Action: a new generation in terms of economic activity. We don't… we've actually got the oldest demographic of anywhere… of any parish in Suffolk. So we, you know, we're…

558 01:13:03.850 --> 01:13:08.320 Joolz | Community Climate Action: we're aging. I'm definitely the youngest person on the parish council at 52.

559 01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:12.469 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we've got spaces in our primary school for the first time ever.

560 01:13:12.620 --> 01:13:21.919 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So we, you know, I mean, it's part of our duty as councillors to have… take this into consideration in terms of a legacy we live in.

561 01:13:22.340 --> 01:13:38.900 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And how we want our… both our physical, but also our, people, you know, environment to be. You know, and we definitely want… we definitely want kids and younger people in the village. It has been mentioned at, parish meetings with a, with a, public audience

562 01:13:39.030 --> 01:13:45.290 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And it would… and it's… there's a… there's a proven roadmap, really, to it.

563 01:13:45.670 --> 01:13:53.249 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Another local village, Elmswell, have built some social housing, and they borrowed the money via the Public's Work Loan Board.

564 01:13:53.370 --> 01:13:58.389 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We've recently been on a site visit to Lavenham, and Lavenham's Community Land Trust.

565 01:13:58.850 --> 01:14:10.030 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And actually, the chair of Norfolk Association of Local Councils is a councillor in Great Yarmouth, and, he was very enthusiastically telling me about their community land trust and housing they'd developed.

566 01:14:10.500 --> 01:14:15.240 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, I mean, so to some degree, Lay's housing policy.

567 01:14:16.260 --> 01:14:21.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know, we've been told it's not a question of if, but where. You've got houses.

568 01:14:22.120 --> 01:14:33.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And this is part of the mix, but if it's done well, probably wouldn't raise so many objections. I won't say none, because it's always someone that's going to complain about something.

569 01:14:33.770 --> 01:14:46.580 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You know? But I think because it's a clear community benefit, and will support people in the community to stay in the community, people that have lived there all their lives, or born there, or returning after, you know, being away.

570 01:14:46.850 --> 01:14:50.759 Joolz | Community Climate Action: It generally… I don't… I don't think objections are…

571 01:14:51.360 --> 01:14:53.410 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Gonna be that high on the list?

572 01:14:55.290 --> 01:15:01.169 Joolz | Community Climate Action: As I say, it's a fairly well-trodden path. I mean, we're not… we can't just pluck this out of our hat and say we want to do it.

573 01:15:01.790 --> 01:15:08.810 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Our desktop research has been looking… looking at, okay, well, who's… who's actually on the housing register?

574 01:15:09.320 --> 01:15:20.299 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we know we've got 7 people in our village that are on the housing register that need housing. We've got one or two vulnerable adults, as well, that need looking after. We've got…

575 01:15:21.070 --> 01:15:25.889 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We've got 7 people on the custom and self-build register, as well.

576 01:15:26.050 --> 01:15:36.010 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, you know, your local authority will need to maintain a custom and self-build register, and generally provide land for that as well, for people to build their own homes.

577 01:15:37.570 --> 01:15:48.509 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I know that… I know it's a statutory duty to maintain a register, but I've never really seen anyone… any statutory organization provide land yet. But we'll see.

578 01:15:48.660 --> 01:15:52.300 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But between that, that means we've got 14

579 01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:56.930 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Families are individuals that are looking… looking to stay in the village and somewhere to live.

580 01:15:57.330 --> 01:16:11.319 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And we got that data from our local authority from West Suffolk. So it was just a matter of writing to our local council, and they pointed me in the direction of the respective officer. And they can't tell you who, obviously, because of data protection, but they can give you the numbers.

581 01:16:12.350 --> 01:16:22.089 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's the starting point, but beyond that, because, you know, you can… if you scratch the surface beyond that, you need to do a housing needs survey.

582 01:16:22.500 --> 01:16:28.289 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And you need to evidence for the rural exception site planning, you need to evidence base there is a need.

583 01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:35.919 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's the critical thing. Housing needs survey is generally paid for from reserves. It costs about £2,500.

584 01:16:36.210 --> 01:16:55.569 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I just discussed ours on Monday, just gone, and I… and our clerk told me that he thinks that, Community Action Suffolk are now… are currently doing housing needs assessment surveys, grant-funded or free, so I'm… I've jumped on that today. I've already written to them and said, are you doing these?

585 01:16:55.710 --> 01:17:05.799 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We're doing these for free. So that's where we're at. We're at the point of potentially, looking at pre-planning application and doing a housing needs assessment. So that's… that's sort of the current…

586 01:17:07.160 --> 01:17:09.310 Joolz | Community Climate Action: state of play,

587 01:17:11.370 --> 01:17:25.519 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And if I just jump to, the document, so we've documented the land, showing where it is, it's adjacent to the private development, 2627 homes, access to recreational space.

588 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:38.449 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If, of the 15 acres, we maybe looked at 2 acres, that's potentially up to 20 dwellings. Now, I'm not suggesting we're necessarily going to do that many, but that would fit quite comfortably on just 2 acres.

589 01:17:39.050 --> 01:17:49.530 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Persimmon normally put 16 acres on a… on an acre… oh, sorry, 16 houses on an acre. So they squeeze them in, so you can hardly get your car… car in the drive with your wing mirrors.

590 01:17:50.210 --> 01:17:57.880 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But we'd maybe do 10. I also worked with Newcastle University's,

591 01:17:58.080 --> 01:18:02.430 Joolz | Community Climate Action: architectural department for their master's degree students, and just said, what would you do with an ACAR?

592 01:18:02.490 --> 01:18:14.510 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So they've come up with a plan and a layout for co-housing, which is a very elegant use of space, allowing green space for allotments and place space and this kind of thing.

593 01:18:14.570 --> 01:18:23.029 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, it would be, a sustainable, net-zero, low-impact development, delivering

594 01:18:23.160 --> 01:18:28.810 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Social housing in perpetuity for those with a connection to our area and our village.

595 01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:43.760 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Because the land is not development land, and even if it's agricultural land at 10,000 an acre, ours might be even cheaper, we'll see about that. We may be able to get it from the County Council under an asset transfer.

596 01:18:44.050 --> 01:18:48.579 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Which might… might make it very cheap, but also… but if it's agricultural land.

597 01:18:49.150 --> 01:18:57.960 Joolz | Community Climate Action: When you purchase that land for a rural exception site, one of the rules is there's no uplift in the land value. It doesn't suddenly become expensive development land.

598 01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:04.670 3. Rachel Blackmore: System again.

599 01:19:08.240 --> 01:19:09.670 3. Rachel Blackmore: Sorry, folks.

600 01:19:10.130 --> 01:19:11.990 3. Rachel Blackmore: Lost jewels.

601 01:19:12.170 --> 01:19:29.840 3. Rachel Blackmore: with the land in Wendover, I did manage to communicate with the farmers, Clive. They don't want to sell it to us, they said they would rather, hold on. They talked about potentially renting it to us for use, so that's… I'm trying to get to meet them for that. Hi again, Jules, you're back?

602 01:19:30.550 --> 01:19:38.630 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Hi there, you know that Zoom just crashed again? I don't think it's my internet connection, I think it's maybe just Zoom, but I'll stop sharing and just talk.

603 01:19:38.690 --> 01:19:53.589 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, yes, so that, if we've got a couple of acres for development, it leaves 13 acres for landscaping, biodiversity increase, horticultural production, and potentially some renewable energy on site.

604 01:19:53.980 --> 01:20:12.810 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So that's kind of what a regenerative settlement looks like, but I think you mentioned, Rachel, that it might be… it might be a step to actually acquire the land. So there's other things to look at where you could partner with the farmer, do a joint venture on biodiversity net gain, or similar, or actually just lease the land as well, so…

605 01:20:18.110 --> 01:20:23.210 3. Rachel Blackmore: If we partnered with the farmer, we might be able to still have some regenerative development.

606 01:20:25.430 --> 01:20:26.649 3. Rachel Blackmore: Do you think, Jules, did you…

607 01:20:26.650 --> 01:20:28.470 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I mean…

608 01:20:28.890 --> 01:20:32.930 Andrea: I think, can I say something about it?

609 01:20:33.260 --> 01:20:41.149 Andrea: I think, realizing we are… will be more, would be easier.

610 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:48.150 Andrea: And also the partnership with the farmer would be the crucial thing, because then…

611 01:20:48.470 --> 01:20:52.759 Andrea: You can generate other projects, and it will then…

612 01:20:52.950 --> 01:20:55.660 Andrea: It will benefit the farmer as well.

613 01:20:56.140 --> 01:21:02.530 Andrea: I already discussed with the architecture here in the, Ivers.

614 01:21:02.690 --> 01:21:12.009 Andrea: And he's asking me to start connecting with the… we have many farms in the iver, so it could be possible.

615 01:21:12.380 --> 01:21:15.579 Andrea: But yeah, the next year, I will need to gather.

616 01:21:15.910 --> 01:21:21.670 Andrea: Networking and information about each one, and how we can

617 01:21:22.360 --> 01:21:28.200 Andrea: Eventually developed something, and he's… he talked about co-housing as well.

618 01:21:28.580 --> 01:21:38.470 Andrea: within the legal eyes of the land. I think it would be… Something… eventually possible.

619 01:21:42.650 --> 01:21:48.339 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, thank you. I'm going to leave my video off for a moment, see if that helps with bandwidth. I hope you can all hear me okay, though.

620 01:21:50.140 --> 01:21:58.330 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, great. So yeah, I mean, again, let's not restrict our thinking to ownership.

621 01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:16.479 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Use and access of land is also really important, so lease agreements or partnerships with farmers, and in fact, maybe helping our farmers with revenue, be it from energy or other novel forms of diversification, we can, you know, talk to our farmers and get them involved in this activity as well.

622 01:22:18.090 --> 01:22:18.780 Martin Baxter: Hmm.

623 01:22:22.970 --> 01:22:25.220 3. Rachel Blackmore: Great. That's encouraging.

624 01:22:25.940 --> 01:22:26.630 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah.

625 01:22:27.200 --> 01:22:34.569 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So what we've just run through is kind of a mixed-use land case with various forms of revenue, like, say, energy, prospective housing.

626 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:49.629 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And a bit of community-supported agriculture. But it's perfectly possible just to look at a nature-based community land trust, where it is literally just for biodiversity, and you get payments from a rural payment agency for management and maintenance of the land.

627 01:22:53.930 --> 01:22:59.290 Sean McCarthy: Jules, this is Sean again here. With the Community Land Trust…

628 01:22:59.930 --> 01:23:12.470 Sean McCarthy: Do you have a sort of articles of association of what you're going to do with it? So, if you say, actually, it's going to be a floodplain, or whatever it is, and then two years later.

629 01:23:12.470 --> 01:23:24.960 Sean McCarthy: the local community wanted as a fishing place, or, you know, to change its function. Is it written what you can and what you can't do with it?

630 01:23:26.450 --> 01:23:40.159 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yes, generally. It would have an asset lock, and it would probably be specified in your purpose as an organization, and it would be specified this is for nature-based recovery.

631 01:23:40.540 --> 01:23:47.659 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And, you know, will be managed in the best interest of the ecology, and that means you can't suddenly drain a fen and make it a football pitch.

632 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:48.600 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah.

633 01:23:48.740 --> 01:23:59.810 Sean McCarthy: But even within nature-based recovery, they're still potential conflicts of interest. You know, one group might want beavers there, and the other group might

634 01:23:59.860 --> 01:24:10.230 Sean McCarthy: want horned toads, or something like that. And if they don't work together, is there flexibility post…

635 01:24:10.360 --> 01:24:14.409 Sean McCarthy: Post-project, or if the project goes wrong, you know, the…

636 01:24:14.870 --> 01:24:17.129 Sean McCarthy: The beavers don't turn up, or something like that.

637 01:24:18.510 --> 01:24:25.540 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, it's very difficult to write that kind of detail in your governance and your…

638 01:24:25.730 --> 01:24:39.040 Joolz | Community Climate Action: articles of association or model rules. But what you do do is you make the organization democratically accountable for a set… you can write your purpose, where we are, you know, the purpose for which you're set up.

639 01:24:39.310 --> 01:24:42.730 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And generally, yeah, with ecology, it can be really tricky.

640 01:24:42.860 --> 01:24:47.119 Joolz | Community Climate Action: what do we do? Do we… do we pull that plant out because it's non-native?

641 01:24:47.350 --> 01:24:48.530 Sean McCarthy: Do you leave it?

642 01:24:48.530 --> 01:24:56.219 Joolz | Community Climate Action: do we, you know, how… how do we manage this? And that's… that's beyond my expertise, and I would… I would refer to…

643 01:24:56.780 --> 01:25:14.139 Joolz | Community Climate Action: the chief ecologist for Head ecologist at our local wildlife trust for that kind of advice. Or there are very specific organisations you can go to. There's the Farming Wildlife Advisory Group, and they specialize in ponds, for instance, amongst other advice on regenerative agriculture.

644 01:25:14.140 --> 01:25:18.220 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So we've got the Norfolk Ponds project, and we had the director from

645 01:25:18.220 --> 01:25:23.909 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The Norfolk Ponds Project visited our fen to look at our pond and give us advice on managing the fen.

646 01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:26.719 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And this kind of thing, so…

647 01:25:27.140 --> 01:25:36.120 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And invariably, with any organization that is managed by a committee, Or has community input.

648 01:25:36.260 --> 01:25:38.900 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Managing those,

649 01:25:39.270 --> 01:25:56.489 Joolz | Community Climate Action: different, possibly personalities, different aspirations, requirements, or vision for something, can be a challenge. That's the nature of communities, and it's the nature of committees, and hopefully governance will be set up that that's easy, or that's as manageable as it can be.

650 01:25:57.380 --> 01:26:03.730 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I think as long as it's transparent, and, you know, involves the community, and is based on expert…

651 01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:07.640 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Obviously, you're probably gonna be, you know, you'd be on the right path.

652 01:26:07.930 --> 01:26:15.870 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There's at least two nature… just nature-based means and trusts set up, again, by parish councils.

653 01:26:16.250 --> 01:26:20.320 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I can send… I can send you links to webinars on those, if that's helpful.

654 01:26:21.620 --> 01:26:23.469 Sean McCarthy: Yeah, anything would be useful.

655 01:26:26.660 --> 01:26:28.410 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Great, great.

656 01:26:28.890 --> 01:26:40.050 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, how are we getting on? This is longer than our normal webinars of an hour. We've done an hour and a half, we've got about 30 minutes, so I'm wondering, is the information that I provided

657 01:26:40.330 --> 01:26:42.510 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Kinda di… kinda digestible.

658 01:26:42.980 --> 01:26:49.800 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Do you have an idea of the trajectory, or are there a few more specifics I could maybe go into?

659 01:26:50.010 --> 01:26:52.800 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Anyone, anyone got any questions or thoughts?

660 01:26:56.180 --> 01:27:10.769 3. Rachel Blackmore: That's been helpful for us. We've got a lot of information that we can talk about together. We've also got a lot more questions to be answered, need to do more talking with our farmers. I'm imagining. Are you still there, Jane? I can't see if Jane's still there, but we obviously need to do more,

661 01:27:10.770 --> 01:27:20.939 3. Rachel Blackmore: Well, in Wendover slash Western Turville, need to speak more with the farmers, and then with the Halton base, obviously, Jane… Yes.

662 01:27:20.940 --> 01:27:45.900 Jane MacKinnon: Sorry, I am here, yeah. Yeah, I do agree with you. We're just trying to find out… we are going to get the information about exactly what fields he owns. So I think probably, perhaps the beginning of January in the new year, really, we should have the information, and then we kind of work out what we think the value is on the farm, which I think, as I said to you before, what they're interested in is the bottom dollar and how much money they will get

663 01:27:45.900 --> 01:27:51.060 Jane MacKinnon: for it, should they sell it. So I just think it's seeing, you know, how much we think

664 01:27:51.060 --> 01:27:56.929 Jane MacKinnon: We would have to pay for it, and if we think that there's a possibility of getting funding from anywhere.

665 01:27:56.930 --> 01:28:19.840 Jane MacKinnon: And then making the approach to him, but there's no point making an approach to him if we don't think we can get funding, any funding from anywhere. So I think it's just, exploring those options with, as you say, the Environment Bank and different areas on what are the possibilities. And I think, you know, Francis makes a good point, about as, or perhaps all joining together. You know, if Wendy's got some little bits of land, but it's not enough.

666 01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:29.989 Jane MacKinnon: and we've got potentially a bigger bit of land in Halton, you know, do we all sort of, like, join together, to get funding, for community land use?

667 01:28:30.650 --> 01:28:33.959 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Fantastic. So, yes, I think the starting point would be to map

668 01:28:34.140 --> 01:28:36.790 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The piece of land, which particular piece of land?

669 01:28:37.300 --> 01:28:37.870 Jane MacKinnon: Yep.

670 01:28:37.870 --> 01:28:38.770 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Mmm…

671 01:28:39.490 --> 01:28:58.939 Joolz | Community Climate Action: ascertain, you know, a rough… a rough value, and start on that desktop kind of desktop feasibility. Once you've got an idea of the place, the… you could have a look at a… you could have a look at a, sorry, I just got a call coming in, I'll stop that. You could have a look at…

672 01:29:00.980 --> 01:29:12.359 Joolz | Community Climate Action: the possibility for access for… if you want… if you want to look at housing, or you could get the Environment Bank to have a look at it and give you a rough estimate of… of revenue.

673 01:29:12.470 --> 01:29:20.890 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And then when you've got the price and the prospective revenue, you can start on a plan to see if it's feasible to raise the money and how that might happen.

674 01:29:21.020 --> 01:29:24.619 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To continue conversations with the landowner.

675 01:29:24.980 --> 01:29:30.389 Jane MacKinnon: Okay, that sounds good. Well, that's great, it's given us a plan of how to take it forward. Thank you.

676 01:29:31.130 --> 01:29:31.750 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Ab.

677 01:29:33.040 --> 01:29:34.240 Joolz | Community Climate Action: How exciting.

678 01:29:34.240 --> 01:29:36.780 Sean McCarthy: It's all to do with mapping things, that's what I say.

679 01:29:37.380 --> 01:29:38.440 Jane MacKinnon: Yeah.

680 01:29:38.440 --> 01:29:46.490 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Every journey starts with a map. Yeah, absolutely. Where is it? And how big is it? Where does it lead to? Where does it connect?

681 01:29:48.100 --> 01:29:48.550 3. Rachel Blackmore: And,

682 01:29:49.000 --> 01:30:04.590 3. Rachel Blackmore: That land explorer thing, would that give us, some guidance as to the potential for a wind turbine, or is other layers of planning control on top of that, in terms of what we could put where?

683 01:30:06.590 --> 01:30:15.389 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Sure. So, in terms of a wind turbine, there are two particular things, and also I just want to acknowledge that I saw Justine raise her hand, so I'll come to you next, Justine.

684 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:17.580 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So…

685 01:30:17.730 --> 01:30:24.600 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We… we want… oh, sorry, Vote Wind is a good site to go to see where you… where it might be possible.

686 01:30:24.830 --> 01:30:30.229 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To put a wind turbine, and you can get the… you can download planning constraints.

687 01:30:31.140 --> 01:30:36.119 Joolz | Community Climate Action: To see if it might be suitable. The second thing is to look at,

688 01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:39.699 Joolz | Community Climate Action: The local primary substation capacity.

689 01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:49.479 Joolz | Community Climate Action: And you can access that data via UKPN's website. I would have to look up the link, and I can send that to you, David. So those two things being possible.

690 01:30:49.650 --> 01:31:03.840 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Then we… then it comes down to a feasibility study. We just got our money from the government's Community Energy Fund to deliver that, so we'll be digging into the detail, and an agreement with the landowner.

691 01:31:04.590 --> 01:31:09.800 Sean McCarthy: I found Land Explorer really helpful, because I kind of randomly dropped the one turn on the…

692 01:31:09.870 --> 01:31:13.699 Joolz | Community Climate Action: VIN or Win Win website, where we could have one.

693 01:31:14.140 --> 01:31:23.680 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Of course, then I need to find out who owned the field. That's where I sort of switched application and went to Lab Explorer, because I was talking earlier about.

694 01:31:29.440 --> 01:31:30.490 Sean McCarthy: I think you've gone again.

695 01:31:30.490 --> 01:31:35.140 3. Rachel Blackmore: Losing your jewels, not… we're not hearing you. Don't know if it'll work if you turn your camera off.

696 01:31:36.350 --> 01:31:44.060 Andrea: Can I say something, everyone? It was a pleasure to attend, but I will need to leave my phone.

697 01:31:44.060 --> 01:31:45.630 Sean McCarthy: is overheat.

698 01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:51.629 Andrea: Andrea, we don't have your email address, if you…

699 01:31:51.630 --> 01:31:52.509 3. Rachel Blackmore: I've got it.

700 01:31:52.510 --> 01:31:53.420 Sean McCarthy: Oh, you have now got it.

701 01:31:53.420 --> 01:31:55.340 3. Rachel Blackmore: I didn't absent either, yeah.

702 01:31:55.340 --> 01:31:55.940 Sean McCarthy: Yep.

703 01:31:55.940 --> 01:32:04.590 Andrea: Yes, it would be very good if we can, catch up to organize things that we all need to do.

704 01:32:05.240 --> 01:32:14.510 Andrea: But yes, I hope to, see you soon, and, well, if I don't see you before Christmas.

705 01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:17.589 Andrea: For everyone, have a good one.

706 01:32:17.590 --> 01:32:21.539 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thanks so much, Andrea, and I'll pass your email on to Sean, and you can link together.

707 01:32:21.860 --> 01:32:23.479 Andrea: That's great. Thank you, Anna.

708 01:32:23.480 --> 01:32:24.370 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yes.

709 01:32:24.370 --> 01:32:32.320 Andrea: Yes, and I am with only 15% of battery, so it will cut off at any time.

710 01:32:32.320 --> 01:32:35.280 3. Rachel Blackmore: before your phone explodes. Thanks, Andrea.

711 01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:40.579 Andrea: Yes, that's why I have to, take care. Thank you, Rachel.

712 01:32:40.580 --> 01:32:40.910 3. Rachel Blackmore: Pleasure.

713 01:32:41.630 --> 01:32:42.500 Andrea: Bye.

714 01:32:42.500 --> 01:32:43.480 3. Rachel Blackmore: Bye! Bye bye.

715 01:32:44.060 --> 01:32:44.730 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Bye-bye.

716 01:32:48.440 --> 01:33:01.069 Joolz | Community Climate Action: So, sorry, I was right in mid-sentence, don't know why it keeps cutting out, but, there are two different data sets. One's private, so if it's privately owned, you'll get an INSPIRE ID and a title number that you can look up on Land Registry website.

717 01:33:01.630 --> 01:33:10.769 Joolz | Community Climate Action: If it's commercial and corporate, and most farmland is commercial and corporate, because it's owned by a limited company, it will show you who the limited company is. So it's a combination of

718 01:33:10.930 --> 01:33:15.500 Joolz | Community Climate Action: We want wind and Land Explorer to find out whether or not it's suitable, David.

719 01:33:17.480 --> 01:33:18.300 3. Rachel Blackmore: Brilliant, thank you.

720 01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:19.699 Sean McCarthy: I suggest having a chat with you.

721 01:33:19.700 --> 01:33:22.790 Joolz | Community Climate Action: You had your hand up. Did you still have a question?

722 01:33:24.100 --> 01:33:43.379 Justine: Well, I think it's kind of been covered, but it was just, in the mapping exercise to ascertain whether Bucks Council own any of the land, because I know they did in the past own some of the farmland around, and obviously they've got their own, climate strategy, and they… I know part of that for the tree planting.

723 01:33:43.520 --> 01:34:01.199 Justine: they were looking at not renewing a tendency to some farmers to be able to plant some trees on certain… mainly north of the Ellsbury. But it might be worth, as well, looking at that, because it might be something we can convince the Council

724 01:34:01.890 --> 01:34:14.219 Justine: that it would be a win-win for them in terms of their climate strategy as well, but I don't know… I don't know if there's any existing farmland around Wendover and… and the villages. I don't know if anyone else does on the call. That's Box Council.

725 01:34:14.220 --> 01:34:21.140 3. Rachel Blackmore: Have to check it. I know a lot of ours is being built on, Hamden Fields and, yeah, previous, council, yeah.

726 01:34:21.140 --> 01:34:26.050 Sean McCarthy: I think that's the difference. We've got so much building going on around this region.

727 01:34:26.170 --> 01:34:40.710 Sean McCarthy: The question about whether locals would be interested in building a few houses, it's probably irrelevant. There'd be, you know, 500 houses built within 2 miles, or something like that anyway.

728 01:34:40.810 --> 01:34:48.809 Sean McCarthy: So that's the challenge. The other challenge I see slightly, which might be slightly different, is, RAF Halton might have a view on

729 01:34:48.980 --> 01:34:50.060 Sean McCarthy: Turbines.

730 01:34:51.210 --> 01:34:58.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Well, that would be part of the planning constraints, so yes, it's… I think it's unlikely to get anywhere near an RAF base.

731 01:34:59.210 --> 01:34:59.740 Sean McCarthy: Yep.

732 01:35:00.070 --> 01:35:01.830 Joolz | Community Climate Action: But it will show you on the map, so…

733 01:35:03.330 --> 01:35:08.229 3. Rachel Blackmore: take Holton out, but it might… might be alright for a little one in… near the reservoir in Wendell.

734 01:35:09.090 --> 01:35:12.829 Sean McCarthy: They like big chunks of land around them, I think.

735 01:35:14.100 --> 01:35:14.900 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah.

736 01:35:14.900 --> 01:35:21.669 Jane MacKinnon: Yeah, they do, obviously, for takeoff and landing, etc, and while they've got aircraft, it will be difficult to.

737 01:35:21.670 --> 01:35:22.740 Sean McCarthy: for emergencies.

738 01:35:22.740 --> 01:35:39.070 Jane MacKinnon: To get something, yeah. Yeah, because they have to go in at different, ranges from the airfield, and, although they have the normal flight paths, as Sean said, if there's emergencies, then they would want more airspace, so that might be a difficulty, even at Western Terville Reservoir. Right.

739 01:35:39.070 --> 01:35:44.529 Jane MacKinnon: very close. So, just to say, I'm not saying that will be the case, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is.

740 01:35:45.070 --> 01:35:45.510 3. Rachel Blackmore: Hmm.

741 01:35:45.510 --> 01:35:50.479 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Absolutely. But the Vote Wind and We Want Wind websites take into consideration

742 01:35:51.740 --> 01:35:59.400 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Airstrips, air runways and flight paths, and so it rules out Those kind of areas, so…

743 01:35:59.910 --> 01:36:22.850 Jane MacKinnon: Yeah, and actually, Jane here, just to say, and of course, when Holton closes, there won't be any flying. So, you know, even if you do the work now and they object, when or if Halton closes, the aircraft will go, because it's just clubs, there's no, public flying from the airfield now, it's just sports clubs, service sports clubs, so, that will all disappear

744 01:36:22.850 --> 01:36:27.620 Jane MacKinnon: And there would be no, issues, I think, then, probably in pulling up wind turbines.

745 01:36:30.160 --> 01:36:36.030 Martin Baxter: If we don't already have it, would it be useful to know the demographic of each of the parishes?

746 01:36:39.340 --> 01:36:39.890 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That…

747 01:36:39.890 --> 01:36:41.620 Martin Baxter: The age demographic.

748 01:36:42.170 --> 01:36:46.219 Joolz | Community Climate Action: That's very helpful in terms of evidence-basing any grant application.

749 01:36:46.470 --> 01:36:47.920 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Or, or funding.

750 01:36:48.080 --> 01:37:02.779 Joolz | Community Climate Action: I'm not sure about Bucks, but in Norfolk and Suffolk, we have, what's called an observatory. So we've got the Suffolk Observatory, which has all of our demographic data in for all of our postcodes and parishes, and I would imagine it's similar for Bucks.

751 01:37:04.620 --> 01:37:10.659 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, cause we have, what do you call it when you all fill in a form? The census.

752 01:37:10.660 --> 01:37:12.580 Sean McCarthy: Thank you.

753 01:37:13.010 --> 01:37:14.410 Sean McCarthy: Somebody knows.

754 01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:16.390 3. Rachel Blackmore: We've left…

755 01:37:16.390 --> 01:37:18.820 Joolz | Community Climate Action: There's other than census data.

756 01:37:19.110 --> 01:37:26.150 3. Rachel Blackmore: Yeah, we've got lots of schools and fam… loads of family. I imagine ours is a younger demographic than yours, Jules.

757 01:37:26.270 --> 01:37:32.940 3. Rachel Blackmore: more jobs, maybe, for people around here, yeah. Well, it's been brilliant. Yeah, thank you so much.

758 01:37:33.890 --> 01:37:35.260 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Please, you found it helpful.

759 01:37:35.820 --> 01:37:37.540 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Yeah, of course, Mary, thank you very much.

760 01:37:37.860 --> 01:37:47.180 Joolz | Community Climate Action: just at the end of the phone, an email, or WhatsApp if you need any further advice, and I'd be really happy to support, support you all on respective journeys as we move forward.

761 01:37:48.300 --> 01:37:54.320 3. Rachel Blackmore: Great. Lots of collaboration heading that way. Thanks ever so much, everybody.

762 01:37:54.320 --> 01:37:55.939 Sean McCarthy: Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye.

763 01:37:56.240 --> 01:37:56.620 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Okay.

764 01:37:56.620 --> 01:37:58.940 3. Rachel Blackmore: Happy Christmas.

765 01:37:58.940 --> 01:37:59.810 Sean McCarthy: Merry Christmas.

766 01:37:59.810 --> 01:38:00.909 3. Rachel Blackmore: We will meet before.

767 01:38:01.850 --> 01:38:02.250 3. Rachel Blackmore: I…

768 01:38:02.650 --> 01:38:04.679 Joolz | Community Climate Action: Enjoy the festivities. Okay.

769 01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:05.540 3. Rachel Blackmore: Thanks, everyone.

770 01:38:05.540 --> 01:38:06.720 Clive Gallagher: This is everybody.

771 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:07.170 3. Rachel Blackmore: Take care.

772 01:38:07.950 --> 01:38:08.680 3. Rachel Blackmore: Bye.

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Markdown of Presentation for AI:

Community Climate Action – Land

Contact

[email protected] www.communityclimateaction.uk

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Land… What Is It Good For!?

• Energy

• Food

• Biodiversity

• Wellbeing

• Housing

Mark Twain: “Buy land, they're not making it anymore.”

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Community Renewable Energy

(Slides include images of solar arrays on farmland and wind farm potential mapping.)

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iFarm

Slides include:

• An iFarm carved wooden sign (Page 8)

• Aerial view of landscape including fields, woodland, and settlement (Page 9)

• Close-up of mushroom foraging (Page 10)

• Winter no-dig or market-garden beds (Page 11)

• Eco-build structure with timber and metal cladding (Page 12)

• Children’s drawing of a garden and polytunnel (Page 13)

• Garden tour video still (Page 14)

• Lush polytunnel interior with climbing plants (Page 15)

• House with solar PV and abundant long grass (Page 16)

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The Glebe, Weston Turville

(Chiltern Society)

• Scrub management

• Ride creation

• Glade management

• Installed bird boxes

• Rubbish removal

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Wendover WildBelt

(Chiltern Society)

• Working with Climate Action Wendover

• Planted hedges

• Created a wildflower meadow

• Planted fruit trees and shrubs

• Installed an interpretation panel

• Created a small wildlife oasis in Wendover

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Environment Bank

https://www.environmentbank.com/

(Screenshot shows homepage describing Environment Bank as the nation’s leading biodiversity gains specialist.)

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iNaturalist

The Essex Bioblitz 2024 https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/the-essex-bioblitz-2024

(Screenshot shows 29,919 observations, 1,200 species, 736 identifiers, 1,068 observers.)

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Vote Wind

https://votewind.org/

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Friends of the Earth – Onshore Renewables Map

https://mapst.ac/foe/onshore-renewables-england

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Land Explorer

https://landexplorer.coop/

(Two slides highlighting the tool.)

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(Remaining Slides)

Pages 25–28 contain images only (no additional text).

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