Banter 139: 30Sep26 Climate Change from a younger viewpoint, with Chih-Hsuan Chang
climate change awareness, from engagement to meaningful action, awareness and engagement, extreme weather, perceived hypocrisy, pursuing a career and climate activism.
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00:00 - 23:34 Presentation 23:34 - 56:11(end) Q & A
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Sep 30, 2026 11:54 AM LondonID: 834 5460 8536
Quick recap
The meeting focused on climate change awareness and the challenges of moving from engagement to meaningful action. Chih-Hsuan presented a three-part talk on physical climate challenges, the role of awareness and engagement, and the gap between individual action and systemic implementation. She highlighted how extreme weather in the UK has made climate change more tangible and discussed the invisible environmental footprint of AI. Chih-Hsuan emphasized the need for a balance in communication to avoid crisis fatigue and noted that visible, local results can make action feel more achievable. Frank and Sue shared experiences from screening the People's Emergency Briefing film, noting that repeat screenings increased attendance but collective action remained difficult to mobilize. Younger participants, including Katie and Tegen, discussed the frustration of perceived hypocrisy among those in power and the tension between pursuing a career and climate activism. They also talked about the role of social media, noting a shift away from Facebook toward platforms like Instagram, TikTok, and X, and the difficulty of using these spaces for serious advocacy. The group concluded with a discussion on the importance of local influence and the hope that younger generations will bring their convictions into future leadership roles.
Next steps
Frank
Continue organizing and facilitating People's Emergency Briefing film screenings in satellite villages, including Kippen.
Follow up on the food-focused subgroup's plan to use the full food lecture to start a discussion group and produce a charter for the area about food resilience and food security.
Katie
Consider ways to advocate for climate action and engage with local MPs or elected leaders to push for policy changes.
Stella
Try to complete the Bath survey.
Sue
Explore ways to create collective action in Battle following the film screenings, potentially using the food resilience angle.
Tegen
Continue working in her sustainability consulting role to influence clients and colleagues on sustainability issues.
Collaboration
Tegen and Katie: Spread the word about the Great Collaboration and encourage friends to attend future free Wednesday meetings.
Summary
Climate Change Youth Perspectives
Chih-Hsuan presented on climate change challenges from a younger generation's perspective, dividing the discussion into three parts: physical climate changes, awareness and engagement challenges, and the gap between engagement and action. She highlighted how climate impacts are becoming more immediate and visible, noting the UK's recent heat waves as an example, and discussed the importance of making climate issues understandable, relevant, and actionable for public engagement. Chih-Hsuan emphasized that while social media and digital platforms can help scale climate actions through various influencers, successful implementation still depends on infrastructure, funding, and institutional capacity rather than individual action alone.
Youth Climate Action Strategies
The meeting focused on discussing climate change awareness and action among young people. Chih-Hsuan presented graphics demonstrating climate change impacts and shared that young people in universities generally accept climate change as reality, though they feel powerless to drive policy changes due to their age. The discussion revealed that young people are frustrated by the hypocrisy they observe in wealthier individuals who don't reduce their carbon footprint while expecting others to do so, and they face challenges balancing climate activism with career and financial pressures, particularly in expensive cities like London. The participants discussed how social media platforms like Instagram, TikTok, and X (formerly Twitter) are used by younger generations, though Facebook has lost popularity, and they explored strategies for effective climate advocacy including community-level plastic-free initiatives and influencing local politicians.
Chat:
01:04:39 Frank Deas, Killearn: Very many thanks to Chih-Hsuan, Tegan and Katie for sharing their perspectives. Really interesting. afraid I need to say goodbye now
Audiotranscript:
134 00:11:53.530 --> 00:11:55.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Looks really good at this end.
135 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:16.230 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Okay, so, hello everyone, thank you for having me today, and, today I'm going to share some thoughts on climate change challenges from a younger generation's perspective, but, actually, it is from my own perspective, based on what I have
136 00:12:16.610 --> 00:12:19.859 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Seeing, reading, and thinking about recently.
137 00:12:21.520 --> 00:12:30.380 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So, I have divided the whole presentation into three parts, including, some physical climate challenges.
138 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:32.490 Chih-Hsuan Chang: the awareness.
139 00:12:33.390 --> 00:12:50.870 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Sorry, and then into something slightly different about how people become aware of climate change and some engagement challenges. And finally, it's about some gap between engagement and the real action.
140 00:12:53.420 --> 00:12:57.890 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So, first part is about the physical release one.
141 00:13:01.930 --> 00:13:10.130 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So, first part is about the physical climate changes, and the questions behind this part is, what are we actually facing?
142 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:22.170 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So, when we talk about climate change, we are actually thinking about the way human activity has altered the Earth's system.
143 00:13:22.170 --> 00:13:34.980 Chih-Hsuan Chang: like burning fossil fuels, large-scale emissions, transport, industrial activity, and some land use change have all contributed to, rising greenhouse gas.
144 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:36.510 Chih-Hsuan Chang: concentrations.
145 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:47.570 Chih-Hsuan Chang: But not all of these contribute to climate change in the same way. They are part of the broader environmental pressures created by modern
146 00:13:47.570 --> 00:14:05.810 Chih-Hsuan Chang: patterns of production and consumption. But for climate change specifically, the major drivers are greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels, industry, and transport, together with land use change, such as deforestation.
147 00:14:08.280 --> 00:14:18.720 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And the major, one major consequence is the changing climate with more extreme and disrupted weather such as
148 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.560 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Wildfire, drought, and extreme heat.
149 00:14:22.920 --> 00:14:30.639 Chih-Hsuan Chang: some severe storms and flooding risk or extreme rainfall.
150 00:14:31.400 --> 00:14:40.999 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And, an important point of the global warming and the climate change is that
151 00:14:41.070 --> 00:14:57.949 Chih-Hsuan Chang: simply about everything becoming warmer in the same way. It can also change the timing, intensity, and variability of weather, which means, different places can experience very different impact.
152 00:14:58.300 --> 00:15:02.489 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And this is something that is no longer distant.
153 00:15:02.830 --> 00:15:11.410 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So like in the UK this year, repeated heat waves made climate change feel much more immediate.
154 00:15:12.580 --> 00:15:29.060 Chih-Hsuan Chang: The Met Office has recorded 55 days in summer 2026, when temperature is above 28 degrees, and 9 of.
155 00:15:29.950 --> 00:15:38.579 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And 9 days, about… 35 degrees. And, as shown in this chart, for
156 00:15:39.100 --> 00:15:45.209 Chih-Hsuan Chang: the graph A, it is the number of days above 28 degrees, and, the…
157 00:15:45.800 --> 00:15:48.959 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Every arrow represents a year of.
158 00:15:49.490 --> 00:15:57.770 Chih-Hsuan Chang: record, and you can see that the 2026 is much more higher than the other year.
159 00:16:00.950 --> 00:16:03.460 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And this is…
160 00:16:03.620 --> 00:16:17.150 Chih-Hsuan Chang: important because it moves climate change away from being something we only discuss as a future risk to something that people are already experiencing.
161 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:24.850 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And this brings me to the second challenge.
162 00:16:25.030 --> 00:16:32.549 Chih-Hsuan Chang: like before discussing how people respond to climate change. I think it is
163 00:16:32.810 --> 00:16:38.530 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Important to ask how people become aware of it in the first place.
164 00:16:42.260 --> 00:16:46.190 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So how do people aware of climate change?
165 00:16:46.670 --> 00:17:01.339 Chih-Hsuan Chang: For many years, some of the most recognizable images associated with climate change were things like melting ice, retreating glaciers, and polar bears losing sea ice habitat.
166 00:17:01.660 --> 00:17:09.190 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And these images were very powerful because they bring viewers.
167 00:17:09.530 --> 00:17:17.649 Chih-Hsuan Chang: visually into a place most of the people will probably never experience by themselves.
168 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:36.059 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And people didn't need to learn a climate model to understand what a glacier disappearing ring meant. So, these forms of communication were effective at making climate change visible, even when the impact is still felt.
169 00:17:36.060 --> 00:17:40.449 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Quite far away from people's daily life.
170 00:17:44.560 --> 00:17:49.950 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And for years, small island states were the strongest.
171 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:56.610 Chih-Hsuan Chang: voices calling for climate action, because the rising sea level posts are very
172 00:17:56.730 --> 00:18:01.709 Chih-Hsuan Chang: direct threat to their homes and communities. But for many people living
173 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:06.899 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Elsewhere, climate changes still feel like something happening far away.
174 00:18:07.630 --> 00:18:19.670 Chih-Hsuan Chang: But the distance is changing. Now the heat waves, flooding, extreme rainfall, and seasonal disruption are increasingly shaping everyday condition.
175 00:18:20.520 --> 00:18:26.809 Chih-Hsuan Chang: People do not only see these events in documentaries or only on news anymore.
176 00:18:27.060 --> 00:18:30.800 Chih-Hsuan Chang: People are actually experiencing them directly.
177 00:18:31.900 --> 00:18:36.090 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And… So, this has made…
178 00:18:38.350 --> 00:18:45.550 Chih-Hsuan Chang: the climate change becomes more tangible because people are start to experience by themselves.
179 00:18:48.260 --> 00:18:55.970 Chih-Hsuan Chang: But there is another situation is, what if the environmental impact is invisible?
180 00:18:56.840 --> 00:19:08.070 Chih-Hsuan Chang: I would like to take AI as an example here, because from the user's perspective, AI feels almost completely virtual.
181 00:19:08.340 --> 00:19:23.419 Chih-Hsuan Chang: People type something into a screen and receive the answer within seconds, but actually behind these interactions are data centers and the servers, the cooling system.
182 00:19:23.570 --> 00:19:26.850 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And it's also about the electricity and water.
183 00:19:27.590 --> 00:19:36.580 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So there's a report from Iea that they found that global data center electricity demand is
184 00:19:37.190 --> 00:19:53.819 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Projected to nearly double from about 485 terawatt per hour in 2025 to around 950 by 2030, with AI being the major driver of the growth.
185 00:19:54.450 --> 00:19:56.990 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And, what I found…
186 00:19:57.330 --> 00:20:09.800 Chih-Hsuan Chang: interesting here is the contrast with climate messaging over the past few years, when organizations are encouraging people to reduce carbon emissions.
187 00:20:09.800 --> 00:20:22.730 Chih-Hsuan Chang: There was often an emphasis on using less energy, improving efficiency, and avoiding unnecessary energy use. But when AI become part of
188 00:20:22.760 --> 00:20:27.330 Chih-Hsuan Chang: People's everyday life so quickly, the energy demand behind.
189 00:20:27.690 --> 00:20:40.400 Chih-Hsuan Chang: the use of AI seems much less visible in public discussion. So, AI feels virtual, but its environmental footprint is actually still visible.
190 00:20:42.320 --> 00:20:55.940 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And when the impact is not immediately visible, raising the awareness becomes an important first step to deal with the climate change.
191 00:20:58.770 --> 00:21:10.929 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And what turns up… but awareness by itself is not the same as engagement, and to turn it into engagement.
192 00:21:12.580 --> 00:21:21.329 Chih-Hsuan Chang: I think it would depend partly on whether the issue feels understandable, relevant, and worth responding to.
193 00:21:24.750 --> 00:21:31.409 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And, so, I think first, at the first step, the
194 00:21:31.610 --> 00:21:37.009 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Issue need to be understandable, so it…
195 00:21:37.370 --> 00:21:45.279 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Because if the issue… if the message is too technical or abstract, people may simply stop
196 00:21:45.810 --> 00:21:54.770 Chih-Hsuan Chang: paying attention about the topic. So visual storytelling or some clear example would be necessary.
197 00:21:56.110 --> 00:22:01.600 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And the second is, it need to be Relevant to one's life.
198 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:18.450 Chih-Hsuan Chang: This is, like, when people are experiencing the heat wave or flooding, they can, actually knew that, oh, there need to be, there's some action need to be taken.
199 00:22:19.660 --> 00:22:25.729 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And third is the people need to feel that responding is actually worthwhile.
200 00:22:27.210 --> 00:22:36.200 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Because if the problem feels too overwhelming, or if people feel that nothing they do will make a difference.
201 00:22:36.690 --> 00:22:38.519 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And feel hopeless.
202 00:22:38.900 --> 00:22:55.039 Chih-Hsuan Chang: they may stop their action immediately. So, I think engagement is not just about getting attention, it is also about making the issue, become more easy to understand.
203 00:22:56.350 --> 00:23:01.269 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And become relevant, and… Be possible to respond.
204 00:23:03.710 --> 00:23:04.750 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So.
205 00:23:07.270 --> 00:23:14.040 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And this is where communicating for engagement is a balancing act.
206 00:23:14.610 --> 00:23:23.320 Chih-Hsuan Chang: We need enough urgency to show that climate change matters, but constant crisis
207 00:23:23.490 --> 00:23:28.359 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Messaging can also lead to fatigue or disengagement.
208 00:23:29.120 --> 00:23:41.830 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And we also will need enough complexity to remain accurate, but if a message becomes too technical, people may stop following. And…
209 00:23:42.100 --> 00:23:48.729 Chih-Hsuan Chang: At the same time, simplifying too much can distort… can also distort the issue.
210 00:23:49.030 --> 00:23:57.470 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And emotional connection can help people start to care, but if communication becomes too much.
211 00:23:57.850 --> 00:24:03.490 Chih-Hsuan Chang: or too dramatic can become sensationalist.
212 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:16.550 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So… so I think, effective engagement is not simply about making a message stronger, but also about finding a balance between
213 00:24:17.840 --> 00:24:23.890 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Keeping people in trust without losing the currency or trust.
214 00:24:29.010 --> 00:24:36.480 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And, the final Changes is what happens after engagement.
215 00:24:38.100 --> 00:24:45.679 Chih-Hsuan Chang: What turns engagement into action, and what allows the actions to have a lasting impact.
216 00:24:48.350 --> 00:24:56.539 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And I think that one thing that can make action feel more achievable is being able to see a result.
217 00:24:56.670 --> 00:25:02.420 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And these examples are quite different. One is about cleanup.
218 00:25:02.530 --> 00:25:15.379 Chih-Hsuan Chang: One is about ecological restoration, and one is about the urban greening. They are not all climate actions in the narrow things, but
219 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:24.499 Chih-Hsuan Chang: I think this example has… an important feature in common that they make the change feasible.
220 00:25:24.830 --> 00:25:34.679 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So people can see what the problem's going on, and the intervention, and also the result after taking action.
221 00:25:37.300 --> 00:25:49.789 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And I think this kind of visible outcome can make environmental action feel less abstract and more worthwhile, because
222 00:25:49.970 --> 00:25:53.180 Chih-Hsuan Chang: It shows that the change is really.
223 00:25:53.300 --> 00:25:54.520 Chih-Hsuan Chang: possible.
224 00:25:54.820 --> 00:25:59.320 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Everyone can make a difference and even if the scale is
225 00:25:59.610 --> 00:26:09.010 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Well, it's small, it's still, something that people can… Actually do in their community.
226 00:26:12.360 --> 00:26:17.409 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And how can this kind of actions help.
227 00:26:17.530 --> 00:26:30.789 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Traditionally, scaling is often understood as a bottom-up process where local action grows through collective participation and institutional support.
228 00:26:31.460 --> 00:26:42.209 Chih-Hsuan Chang: It often starts from an individual or small group that acts locally, and more people and communities or organizations will
229 00:26:42.540 --> 00:26:53.960 Chih-Hsuan Chang: participate and become involved. And then eventually, policy funding infrastructure and tuitions.
230 00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:59.289 Chih-Hsuan Chang: will also help the chain persist and also and expand.
231 00:26:59.570 --> 00:27:18.049 Chih-Hsuan Chang: I think this kind of model is still important because the local enthusiasm alone is usually not enough to sustain a large-scale change, but the climate change Challenges is often pretty large scale.
232 00:27:19.090 --> 00:27:20.330 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And.
233 00:27:22.460 --> 00:27:29.300 Chih-Hsuan Chang: I also think that The way action scale is beginning.
234 00:27:30.860 --> 00:27:37.009 Chih-Hsuan Chang: to change, so… For nowadays.
235 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:47.780 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So social medias and many different kinds of digital platforms create another room to scale.
236 00:27:48.220 --> 00:27:50.300 Chih-Hsuan Chang: This one is.
237 00:27:54.030 --> 00:27:54.860 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Okay.
238 00:27:54.980 --> 00:28:02.130 Chih-Hsuan Chang: This one is a recent literature from nature, that it actually is… Looks into.
239 00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:05.320 Chih-Hsuan Chang: how influencers can shape high need.
240 00:28:07.110 --> 00:28:17.210 Chih-Hsuan Chang: attitudes and actions. It considers different sorts of influence, including family.
241 00:28:18.010 --> 00:28:25.070 Chih-Hsuan Chang: and friends, everyday influencers, high profile influencers, companies and different NGOs.
242 00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:31.709 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And they also consider about different channels, such as conversation.
243 00:28:33.190 --> 00:28:36.170 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Mass media and digital platforms.
244 00:28:36.830 --> 00:28:40.469 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And this is, like, the framework of
245 00:28:40.970 --> 00:28:45.940 Chih-Hsuan Chang: How they do… what kind of information they take into consider.
246 00:28:48.050 --> 00:28:48.780 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Mmhm.
247 00:28:49.220 --> 00:28:50.020 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Oops.
248 00:28:51.510 --> 00:29:04.810 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And it turns out that, an individual or influencer can now reach an audience far beyond what many traditional, local organizations could reach on their own.
249 00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:11.130 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So maybe, so I'm thinking that maybe,
250 00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:23.489 Chih-Hsuan Chang: by different kinds of influencer people or like organization can reach or can spread the information to more people.
251 00:29:24.030 --> 00:29:35.580 Chih-Hsuan Chang: But this didn't mean that influencer has the same authority or implementation capacity as governments or institutions.
252 00:29:35.760 --> 00:29:39.579 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Influential source may be able to
253 00:29:39.990 --> 00:29:46.579 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Mobilize attention or participation very quickly, but implementing lasting
254 00:29:47.340 --> 00:29:52.770 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Chang still depends on infrastructure, funding, and institutions.
255 00:29:55.550 --> 00:30:04.930 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So, this brings me to what I think is one of the most important challenges, the implementation gap.
256 00:30:05.490 --> 00:30:15.729 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So I think there are 2 slightly different problems here. So on one side, people may want to take the
257 00:30:15.980 --> 00:30:24.249 Chih-Hsuan Chang: lower carbon or environmental preferable option, but practical conditions make it difficult.
258 00:30:25.080 --> 00:30:26.529 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So,
259 00:30:27.580 --> 00:30:47.499 Chih-Hsuan Chang: For example, public transport may be inadequate, or a heat pump may have a high upfront cost, or maybe they want to ride a bicycle, but urban design make it unsafe or inconvenient.
260 00:30:47.530 --> 00:30:53.679 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And local environment projects may struggle when funding is not sustained.
261 00:30:55.060 --> 00:31:05.490 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And another… Side of the problem is, even after someone takes what appears to be the right action.
262 00:31:06.080 --> 00:31:08.399 Chih-Hsuan Chang: The system that receives.
263 00:31:08.950 --> 00:31:18.559 Chih-Hsuan Chang: The action can affect the final result. So I would like to take recycling as an example.
264 00:31:18.820 --> 00:31:21.400 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So, a household may separate
265 00:31:21.590 --> 00:31:30.480 Chih-Hsuan Chang: It's recycling correctly, but after collection, the material still has to be sorted and processed.
266 00:31:30.970 --> 00:31:36.470 Chih-Hsuan Chang: and contamination or limited processing capacity.
267 00:31:36.910 --> 00:31:47.440 Chih-Hsuan Chang: can result in some material being rejected, and those being rejected may eventually be treated as
268 00:31:48.210 --> 00:31:50.590 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Common waste, including food.
269 00:31:52.020 --> 00:31:55.770 Chih-Hsuan Chang: incineration or landfill.
270 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.590 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So in this part the individual action does matter. But
271 00:32:02.890 --> 00:32:09.229 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Because of the system around it, they might not get the…
272 00:32:10.830 --> 00:32:14.770 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Get the result that they actually want.
273 00:32:25.660 --> 00:32:31.850 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So from challenge to change, bringing everything together.
274 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.479 Chih-Hsuan Chang: I think, the first part of the physical challenge.
275 00:32:37.810 --> 00:32:49.210 Chih-Hsuan Chang: is what's actually happening, and for climate impact, it has become more frequent, disrupted, and increasing in part.
276 00:32:49.520 --> 00:32:58.239 Chih-Hsuan Chang: of everyday life. And the second is the awareness and engagement challenge, whether people recognize.
277 00:32:58.750 --> 00:33:03.899 Chih-Hsuan Chang: This impact, understand them, and remain engaged.
278 00:33:04.080 --> 00:33:11.990 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Especially when some impacts feel distant while others are directly experienced or difficult to see.
279 00:33:12.550 --> 00:33:24.620 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And the third is the action and implementation challenge, whether people reconnect, how Concern becomes meaningful change.
280 00:33:25.260 --> 00:33:40.179 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And how that change depends not only on individual willingness, but also on social influence, infrastructure, affordability, funding, and institutional capacity.
281 00:33:40.620 --> 00:33:57.470 Chih-Hsuan Chang: So overall, climate change is not only a challenge for understanding what is happening, but also a challenge of making those impacts become more visible to the public.
282 00:33:57.510 --> 00:34:00.829 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And keeping people engaged.
283 00:34:01.410 --> 00:34:09.029 Chih-Hsuan Chang: In creating the conditions that allow the elections to last.
284 00:34:10.520 --> 00:34:11.630 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And.
285 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:28.739 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And for… for… in my own experience and like friends around me. Sometimes we talk about the climate change.
286 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:37.329 Chih-Hsuan Chang: challenges. But we will trying to define that. What can we actually
287 00:34:39.770 --> 00:34:55.899 Chih-Hsuan Chang: do for improvement, but, it often stopped by that, we didn't have funding, or, like, the information couldn't be spread, so, I think these are…
288 00:34:56.600 --> 00:34:59.649 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Really a big challenge for her.
289 00:35:00.340 --> 00:35:02.130 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Making.
290 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:03.800 Chih-Hsuan Chang: a difference.
291 00:35:03.970 --> 00:35:06.810 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And that's.
292 00:35:07.410 --> 00:35:09.209 Chih-Hsuan Chang: of my sharing.
293 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:20.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: That's… really spectacular.
294 00:35:20.290 --> 00:35:39.909 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Shih-Swan, thank you. I think you did a wonderful job on the graphics. You demonstrated very clearly what we're all thinking. And I have a whole bunch of questions for you, but in case others do, I'm going to pass it on. But I do have one specifically for you, which is…
295 00:35:39.910 --> 00:35:40.490 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Okay.
296 00:35:40.730 --> 00:35:47.400 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: We're all familiar… The levels of age and places that we,
297 00:35:47.450 --> 00:36:05.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: work with of plenty of climate deniers and people who just don't believe that it's happening, and they're not very fussed about it. But amongst the young people, amongst your colleagues in university, is there a high percentage of belief in this? Is it happening? Do you find that most of your
298 00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:09.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Age group are indeed very concerned about the climate.
299 00:36:11.250 --> 00:36:15.319 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Yes, I think it is like.
300 00:36:15.460 --> 00:36:17.719 Chih-Hsuan Chang: We think it is truth.
301 00:36:18.070 --> 00:36:29.519 Chih-Hsuan Chang: kind of true that it is happening. So we wouldn't say that we believe it or not, because for at least
302 00:36:29.890 --> 00:36:40.560 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Like, my classmate, we think that is actually happening, and, like, Oh.
303 00:36:41.070 --> 00:36:50.840 Chih-Hsuan Chang: We… I would say we are hard to imagine why some people couldn't.
304 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:52.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: David.
305 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.240 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Understand that this is actually happening.
306 00:36:55.450 --> 00:36:56.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah.
307 00:36:57.220 --> 00:36:59.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Do you… do you find that because
308 00:37:00.340 --> 00:37:05.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: The young use social media much more than some of the older people do that.
309 00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:10.109 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: The word is spreading because of influencers and social media.
310 00:37:11.350 --> 00:37:26.990 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Because I like very much your suggestion that we should be using social media much more to get things done, and it strikes me that your generation is much more familiar with influencing and social media than we are, and we could all do with a bit of guidance.
311 00:37:27.670 --> 00:37:33.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And then just let me take this opportunity to say hi to Tegan. Thank you for joining us. Lovely to see you.
312 00:37:36.550 --> 00:37:52.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So, I think you're telling me that people are much more aware, because you're all listening in, you're all talking to each other via social media, and the word is getting out that, actually, things are looking like some work is needed, promptly.
313 00:37:52.710 --> 00:37:58.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: So thank you very much. Stuart, you've got a question for G-Swan, please.
314 00:37:59.390 --> 00:38:01.880 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Yeah, thank you very much for doing that.
315 00:38:02.640 --> 00:38:05.809 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Probably not an easy task, but you did a great job.
316 00:38:06.590 --> 00:38:13.690 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: What I would like to know is what are the attitudes of Your generation.
317 00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:19.569 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Towards climate change, are you aware of any actions that they've taken?
318 00:38:20.910 --> 00:38:28.150 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Such as, changing their diet a bit, becoming, less consumers.
319 00:38:29.270 --> 00:38:36.669 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: And what are their, sort of, political views? So, I think we need, sort of, urgent political action.
320 00:38:36.890 --> 00:38:38.380 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: across the globe.
321 00:38:38.560 --> 00:38:42.840 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I was wondering what the young people actually think and do.
322 00:38:45.410 --> 00:38:53.050 Chih-Hsuan Chang: I would say most of the people was, are hopeless.
323 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:53.990 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Ha ha ha.
324 00:38:53.990 --> 00:39:01.900 Chih-Hsuan Chang: To to the climate change challenges because, like, we are still
325 00:39:02.080 --> 00:39:04.760 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Too young to have the power.
326 00:39:05.240 --> 00:39:08.940 Chih-Hsuan Chang: To share, like, policy, or,
327 00:39:09.720 --> 00:39:16.380 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Like, from the government part, or even from… The company… different company.
328 00:39:16.680 --> 00:39:17.720 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And.
329 00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:19.860 Chih-Hsuan Chang: I have seen some change.
330 00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:31.859 Chih-Hsuan Chang: on the social media that people are saying, why should we do recycling if the wealthy people are like they are using so much.
331 00:39:35.700 --> 00:39:38.610 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Like water, or like many things.
332 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.680 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And, one… one example that has been.
333 00:39:43.970 --> 00:39:47.830 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Talking a lot is, some wealthy people will…
334 00:39:48.370 --> 00:39:55.120 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Travel to other country for maybe a meal by their own.
335 00:39:55.230 --> 00:39:57.080 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Private airplane?
336 00:39:57.260 --> 00:40:05.040 Chih-Hsuan Chang: When the… When the public, like, other people are trying to save.
337 00:40:05.200 --> 00:40:08.199 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Or reduce the carbon emissions.
338 00:40:08.410 --> 00:40:18.290 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And, I found that part become the biggest, problem when… Because when someone are…
339 00:40:18.460 --> 00:40:24.730 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Trying to spread the information of how to reduce the carbon footprint.
340 00:40:25.060 --> 00:40:34.900 Chih-Hsuan Chang: by, reuse some plastic bag, or, use some, avoid using one-time resources.
341 00:40:35.180 --> 00:40:38.830 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Then other people come up with so many.
342 00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:46.840 Chih-Hsuan Chang: examples of other people's wasting resources. So…
343 00:40:47.160 --> 00:41:04.509 Chih-Hsuan Chang: And… and then the communication, or, like, the change at the end would turn out to be, if you want to do the recycle, you can do, but don't tell other people to do. And I think it's a big problem of.
344 00:41:05.540 --> 00:41:11.299 Chih-Hsuan Chang: Dealing with… Next, avoid using too much resources.
345 00:41:12.010 --> 00:41:12.640 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yep.
346 00:41:13.030 --> 00:41:16.610 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I tend to agree with you. I don't know why…
347 00:41:16.820 --> 00:41:21.119 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: The government-owned fleet of official cars aren't all electric.
348 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.820 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I I I think that that would set a good example if they did that, but obviously they don't.
349 00:41:27.290 --> 00:41:29.819 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Anyway, thank you very much again, that was great.
350 00:41:30.910 --> 00:41:31.850 Chih-Hsuan Chang: That's true.
351 00:41:33.870 --> 00:41:43.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Let me also just say hello to Katie, who's another of our young Maebies. Thank you for joining us, and please feel free to join in the conversation.
352 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:47.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: If you wish to make any points.
353 00:41:47.990 --> 00:41:48.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And.
354 00:41:49.430 --> 00:41:56.959 Katie Baxter: Hello, thank you for welcoming me. I think I just want to echo what was mentioned before and just say that
355 00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:11.189 Katie Baxter: It is very prominent in the use of today that, like, the hypocrisy in society, just like the people who do have the power to change things, not actually taking that power. So why is the onus sort of…
356 00:42:11.610 --> 00:42:19.279 Katie Baxter: filtered down to the individuals who can't really do a lot, and there's also sort of things that I personally think
357 00:42:19.300 --> 00:42:36.059 Katie Baxter: like, chains and businesses. For example, I remember pre-COVID, there was, like, lots of shops were testing out no plastic packaging, but that's never been brought back since, and now the onus is more on the individual to choose not to buy
358 00:42:36.060 --> 00:42:43.029 Katie Baxter: Fruit and vegetable wrapped in plastic, but obviously that's more expensive, and especially for the youth who've kind of gone through.
359 00:42:43.190 --> 00:42:44.969 Katie Baxter: Especially for, like, our…
360 00:42:45.130 --> 00:43:07.669 Katie Baxter: generation, about, like, 18 to 25, who are, struggling with money and the cost of living, and kind of been hit hardest by all these things, it's quite hard, I think, for us to sort of rally together and do… make anything that's gonna seem like meaningful action. It's not to say that the small things go unnoticed, but I think it's hard
361 00:43:07.670 --> 00:43:14.580 Katie Baxter: To do the small things without the support of bigger legislation and policy, just as was mentioned before.
362 00:43:14.660 --> 00:43:17.239 Katie Baxter: Yeah, that's all I really have to say on that question.
363 00:43:18.560 --> 00:43:28.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Do you feel, Katie, that there is power in numbers, that there's an awful lot of people in the 18 to 25 year group who, if they got together.
364 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:46.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Could really make a difference, because you're quite right, politicians won't do anything until somebody is making a lot of noise, but if all the 18 to 25 year olds are stirring up trouble and then basically making a lot of noise, you don't think things will get done more then?
365 00:43:47.110 --> 00:44:09.799 Katie Baxter: I definitely do agree that more could be done if that were to happen. I just think the slight issue with that is I think it has been, advocated for previously was sort of, like, the Greta Thunberg movement is something that I remember from when I was slightly younger, and that's something that was such a big movement. Yet again, it wasn't necessarily, implemented or backed by
366 00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:16.620 Katie Baxter: authorities in the same way, and it's also hard because,
367 00:44:16.940 --> 00:44:24.380 Katie Baxter: Now that you are a bit older, you kind of have to make the choice, I think, in that age range where
368 00:44:24.540 --> 00:44:41.279 Katie Baxter: not all of us are in a position where we can do all these things, and for example, even when we are in positions to do things like the recycling, especially, for example, in my council in London, I always put the recycling out separate to my north, but they only started recycling in January.
369 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:50.710 Katie Baxter: they only started taking it separately in January, so that's quite surprising. So not all the institutions are following the best practices, so it's quite hard to, yeah, again.
370 00:44:50.890 --> 00:44:56.959 Katie Baxter: make that decision for yourself, yeah, I think. Yeah, sorry, a bit of a confusing answer, but…
371 00:44:57.190 --> 00:45:11.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: No, no. Well, I, I think that part of our role in the Great Collaboration is to, pull together all these threads. I mean, a lot of the things that you're saying, I was thinking about the plastic that you mentioned and,
372 00:45:11.190 --> 00:45:11.690 Katie Baxter: Yeah.
373 00:45:11.690 --> 00:45:20.739 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Rather than there being a national plastic movement, there are plenty of organizations that are saying, create a plastic free community within your area.
374 00:45:20.740 --> 00:45:21.280 Katie Baxter: Hmm.
375 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:46.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And there are ways of, you know, recognized ways of doing that. So you can get yourself certified as a plastic free community, which is doing it number by number. And then the more you can get your MPs involved, which was partly the drive behind the People's Emergency Briefing, I think that is the way to get it done because the politicians are not going to do anything.
376 00:45:46.180 --> 00:45:53.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: unless they're made absolutely clear to them that the populace is pretty disgruntled with them.
377 00:45:54.240 --> 00:46:04.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And that they can either do something about it or get thrown out, as I think Mr. Trump is about to discover. I'm very pleased to say. But.
378 00:46:04.630 --> 00:46:11.290 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I think that I would love to see, The young people, so staging.
379 00:46:11.290 --> 00:46:32.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: more noisy concerns about the fact that they're sitting and looking at all this. They're the ones who are experiencing the problems that, to some extent, we've caused. And I think you're very right to feel upset about the hypocrisy of people. Absolutely right. But, I think you've…
380 00:46:32.250 --> 00:46:49.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I think you need to appreciate that there actually is something that you can do, that you can ferment a movement, you can fent objections, you can make it absolutely clear to your MPs or local elected leaders that it's not a satisfactory status quo, and they better do something about it.
381 00:46:50.490 --> 00:46:51.120 Katie Baxter: Yeah.
382 00:46:51.320 --> 00:47:12.820 Katie Baxter: Definitely, I think that's definitely true. There's stuff that the individual can do, and there's a lot of noise that can be created, at the lower levels, and which is why it's so great what the Great Collaboration are doing, so sort of trying to advocate for that and implement that a bit more. I think that's really necessary right now, and it's really great what they're doing.
383 00:47:12.820 --> 00:47:13.890 Katie Baxter: What you guys do.
384 00:47:13.890 --> 00:47:15.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: They're in due course.
385 00:47:15.220 --> 00:47:16.190 Katie Baxter: Yeah.
386 00:47:16.190 --> 00:47:18.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: You can see there's a comment from Frank, please.
387 00:47:20.310 --> 00:47:28.720 Frank Deas, Killearn: Thanks very much, and it's great to hear younger voices on a Wednesday lunchtime. I think, picking up on what Katie was saying, I do think
388 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:48.009 Frank Deas, Killearn: it's almost worth trying to understand what happened to Fridays for a Future. It was a significant global movement, it got great traction. It should never have been up to your generation to try and save the world from the messes that our generation had left it in, but nevertheless, we… you know, there was a real hope and aspiration that came out of that.
389 00:47:48.030 --> 00:48:04.330 Frank Deas, Killearn: COVID obviously was a major issue in 2020 because suddenly you couldn't actually meet and gather and act in groups. And then as you say, it's harder when you're just starting a career to know whether you can devote time to it. I think the other thing I'd be interested in…
390 00:48:04.450 --> 00:48:07.620 Frank Deas, Killearn: you know, Katie and Deegan and Shushan's thoughts on this.
391 00:48:08.140 --> 00:48:22.200 Frank Deas, Killearn: as a society, we've gone backwards in so many areas that it's quite hard for the current young generation to work out what battle they want to fight. And around about 2018, life was slightly simpler. You could fight for climate change, because that was important.
392 00:48:22.200 --> 00:48:32.969 Frank Deas, Killearn: Now, if you're a 20 year old with a social conscience, do you fight for climate change? Do you fight for ending genocide in Palestine? Do you fight for ending racism in this country?
393 00:48:32.970 --> 00:48:52.850 Frank Deas, Killearn: to fight for the patriarchy in Cornell University being overturned. You know, the things that you had hoped might have been battles that were won suddenly seem to be back again. And while, as Graham says, let's hope Trump will face the reality, a reality check in the midterms, when he came into office, not only did he ridicule Greta.
394 00:48:52.850 --> 00:49:04.200 Frank Deas, Killearn: But he set back so many other areas of women's rights and human rights that it must have been quite hard for a generation to have focus and say, yes, this is the battle we want to fight.
395 00:49:06.090 --> 00:49:08.860 Frank Deas, Killearn: Interesting your thoughts on that, if that's valid.
396 00:49:09.150 --> 00:49:11.049 Frank Deas, Killearn: as an outsider's observance.
397 00:49:11.770 --> 00:49:15.989 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yeah, I'm fascinated how you bring all those threads together, Frank. Thank you.
398 00:49:16.450 --> 00:49:17.290 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And…
399 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:25.770 Tegen Dixon-clarke: I just wanted to jump in on that. I think that's a really, like, interesting point, and I guess it ties into what Katie was saying, because I think as
400 00:49:26.250 --> 00:49:32.399 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Like someone who is between that, like, age range where you're having to think about your career.
401 00:49:32.640 --> 00:49:38.120 Tegen Dixon-clarke: And what you want that to look like, it almost feels like you either have to choose.
402 00:49:38.230 --> 00:49:54.759 Tegen Dixon-clarke: to… if you do care about the environment, I think the main image that we see of that is, like, the Greta figure, so it feels like if you want to do that, then that has to be almost, like, what you do and what you dedicate, like, everything to, I think because people are realizing that
403 00:49:55.050 --> 00:50:04.120 Tegen Dixon-clarke: there's lots of small stuff, obviously, you can do as an individual, but it's the bigger stuff that's more, like, institutional that has to change. So I think it almost feels like you either…
404 00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:07.280 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Have to go, like, full… You know.
405 00:50:07.450 --> 00:50:10.769 Tegen Dixon-clarke: That's your passion and that's all you commit yourself to and almost.
406 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.570 Tegen Dixon-clarke: sacrifice, like, The traditional, maybe, career route, and
407 00:50:16.040 --> 00:50:22.320 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Like split your, you can't, it doesn't really feel like you could split your time between the 2 so I think finding a way to
408 00:50:22.820 --> 00:50:29.379 Tegen Dixon-clarke: get a job in this climate. Well, first of all, just get a job but then get a job that
409 00:50:29.530 --> 00:50:38.779 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Is in sustainability or climate action that you're interested in but also, like, has, you feel, has a good enough career trajectory, it's just.
410 00:50:39.160 --> 00:50:50.649 Tegen Dixon-clarke: It feels like you, yeah, I think like you said, it feels like you can't have it all, so you always have to pick one. And there aren't many examples maybe of people who are more junior, like having a career.
411 00:50:51.500 --> 00:51:04.849 Tegen Dixon-clarke: But still pursuing like climate action and all the other bits that you mentioned, like, you know, women's rights and stuff like this. I think it just, yeah, there's a lot of choices and you kind of end up thinking, well, I ultimately need to pay the bills.
412 00:51:05.900 --> 00:51:13.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I think Tegen, you could take heart from the fact that your generation will be the people making decisions in 20 years.
413 00:51:14.330 --> 00:51:29.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: If you're carrying forward your beliefs in climate change and what we need to do about it, then certainly not this stage of your career, but later on when you're sort of middle senior management or something, you can really change the direction of your company.
414 00:51:29.570 --> 00:51:30.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Okay.
415 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.280 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Yeah, definitely, I think that's quite exciting.
416 00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:34.199 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: with you, so keep the faith.
417 00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:34.950 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Yeah.
418 00:51:35.100 --> 00:51:52.370 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Yeah, well, I… I've managed to get a job in… within, like, sustainability, and our team is very young, and it's within maybe, like, a traditional kind of career sector, because it's consulting, but our sustainability team in particular, that everyone is very young, and everyone is very…
419 00:51:52.540 --> 00:51:57.040 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Passionate about actually like making an impact, so that's been really.
420 00:51:57.350 --> 00:52:00.329 Tegen Dixon-clarke: So I've been really lucky to, like, work in a
421 00:52:01.210 --> 00:52:08.290 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Of career that I wanted but also surrounded by, like, passionate people but I think that I've been very lucky and I appreciate that.
422 00:52:08.580 --> 00:52:10.939 Tegen Dixon-clarke: There may not be tons of other…
423 00:52:11.170 --> 00:52:21.750 Tegen Dixon-clarke: kind of opportunities out there that fit that. But yeah, I agree, it is really exciting to see people are still kind of passionate all the way up through the, like, seniority.
424 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, good luck, we'll keep our eyes on you.
425 00:52:24.820 --> 00:52:26.420 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Yes.
426 00:52:26.420 --> 00:52:28.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Sue, your turn for a question, please.
427 00:52:28.970 --> 00:52:40.160 Sue Burton: Mine's a few comments, really, more than that, maybe. Thank you so much, all of you that have joined us, today.
428 00:52:40.210 --> 00:52:56.180 Sue Burton: Couple of things is, I think that if you take the analogy of somebody who is a musician, who's fantastic at playing an instrument, only very few of them become professional musicians.
429 00:52:56.180 --> 00:53:03.009 Sue Burton: And a lot of people can build music into their life and still enjoy it and do a lot to it.
430 00:53:03.010 --> 00:53:18.230 Sue Burton: And I would say the same thing applies with climate and sustainability, that there are lots of people who it's important to, can be part of their life, but it doesn't need to be all to be relevant and important.
431 00:53:18.430 --> 00:53:30.359 Sue Burton: And I want to pick up something that I learned on this group, because we're talking about influence, is that what was said at this, one of the sessions here is.
432 00:53:30.510 --> 00:53:54.679 Sue Burton: use… use the… the areas that you're involved with to bring influence. So, you might be part… might go to a gym, and you think, gosh, the recycling's hopeless, they should be encouraging to sort their waste properly. So, use the fields that you're… or the areas that you have a little bit of influence, even if it's a moaning gym member.
433 00:53:54.910 --> 00:54:04.810 Sue Burton: That it's worthwhile doing, because those things add up, and I think that… so… and it's not all-consuming.
434 00:54:04.810 --> 00:54:15.460 Sue Burton: And that we can't always keep going, doing it wholeheartedly, but let's do small bits that do add up.
435 00:54:15.930 --> 00:54:22.900 Sue Burton: You mentioned about, politicians and, and,
436 00:54:23.260 --> 00:54:29.119 Sue Burton: Influence, and a lot of people here are local councillors.
437 00:54:29.120 --> 00:54:52.660 Sue Burton: And they're trying hard, but they have to bring people with them, their colleagues. They can't sit there and have their idea that they make a change. So what you're doing, what we're doing by spreading the word with the people who actually vote, is the is the hope to get more people who are councillors at whatever level, the top being the MP.
438 00:54:52.660 --> 00:54:55.959 Sue Burton: And the bottom being us parish councillors.
439 00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:12.789 Sue Burton: influencing them to get those decisions made. So it is worthwhile, sharing at a local level. And the final thing is about plastic, and all… lots of climate things, they change along the way.
440 00:55:12.790 --> 00:55:20.510 Sue Burton: And before, the solution seemed to be, if we reduce our amount of plastic, that'll be.
441 00:55:20.600 --> 00:55:40.400 Sue Burton: that will really help a lot. And we now know that we… that isn't really the main focus, and I certainly, in the slides, we talk about fossil fuels, we talk about the bigger things, as against the plastic has become a slightly lower, outcome.
442 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:49.139 Sue Burton: Also, in the presentation, talk about AI and how much energy, water that we're using, and so those become our…
443 00:55:49.140 --> 00:55:49.930 Sue Burton: At.
444 00:55:49.930 --> 00:56:01.869 Sue Burton: important areas to focus. So I'd say keep up the good work, you're all doing it, find like-minded people so you don't feel alone, and please keep on going.
445 00:56:03.110 --> 00:56:06.170 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Thanks, Sue, very much. Frank, we're back with you again.
446 00:56:06.170 --> 00:56:27.900 Frank Deas, Killearn: Just a quickie on social media. One of the challenges I think we well, there's two challenges we face in community groups and social media. One is that there are lots of activists and people who are passionate about climate change, who are equally passionate that they can't bear to dirty themselves with anything that's owned by Meta. So suddenly Facebook and Instagram and so on are ruled out.
447 00:56:28.730 --> 00:56:40.559 Frank Deas, Killearn: And I just wondered, does the generation that's coming through, the people we've heard from today, do they feel that way too? And also, what are the social media channels that they use? Because again, we know.
448 00:56:41.070 --> 00:56:49.700 Frank Deas, Killearn: We think we're being young and trendy by using Facebook and actually, you know, my daughter stopped using that a decade ago. So I know I'm out of date.
449 00:56:50.130 --> 00:56:54.550 Frank Deas, Killearn: So just interested on the actualities of social media for the next generation.
450 00:56:57.760 --> 00:56:59.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Who's gonna answer that one?
451 00:57:01.950 --> 00:57:03.999 Katie Baxter: I can leave a comment if you'd like.
452 00:57:04.330 --> 00:57:05.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: please.
453 00:57:05.350 --> 00:57:13.310 Katie Baxter: I think in terms of social media, definitely moving away from Facebook, unfortunately.
454 00:57:13.740 --> 00:57:16.880 Katie Baxter: But definitely, I think people are quite…
455 00:57:17.020 --> 00:57:33.409 Katie Baxter: present on Instagram still, even though all the meta stuff on there, and then TikTok as well. And I think lots of people are still on, especially my age, around 23, are on X, looking at stuff there.
456 00:57:34.220 --> 00:57:38.360 Katie Baxter: So I think they're all pretty, still pretty present in…
457 00:57:38.520 --> 00:57:43.990 Katie Baxter: the youth, but maybe not like Facebook and the older genera. Sorry, I don't want to say older generation.
458 00:57:43.990 --> 00:57:45.250 Frank Deas, Killearn: No, no, dude.
459 00:57:45.250 --> 00:57:54.940 Katie Baxter: Yeah, it's being used a lot less, I think. I don't really know why. I think mainly because these newer things kind of…
460 00:57:54.940 --> 00:58:06.309 Katie Baxter: have a lot of multimedia, so they have, like, you can do videos, photos, and, like, connect with a lot of different things, rather than Facebook is… was… premise was just, like, your friends, I guess. Yeah.
461 00:58:07.340 --> 00:58:10.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Yes, and I think that.
462 00:58:10.930 --> 00:58:26.619 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: I'm interested that you mentioned X, because that's sort of controversial in terms of its owner, but I liked very much his original idea for buying, Twitter was that he wanted it to be a sort of a village.
463 00:58:27.390 --> 00:58:36.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: notice board, but visible around the world, basically, so that you could get the word out. And so, Katie, are you finding that there is a lot of.
464 00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:44.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Good in X and the people on it are all much the same viewpoint that they're trying to make the world a better place.
465 00:58:45.530 --> 00:58:58.210 Katie Baxter: I don't think I would agree with that, actually. I think that probably most people on social media probably aren't trying to make the world a better place, otherwise they wouldn't be spending a lot of time
466 00:58:58.470 --> 00:59:15.159 Katie Baxter: on it, in my opinion. They'd be doing… busy doing other things. I think that many… I think on X, it's quite a dark… it can be quite a dark place, but it also does… I think it helps connect with, sort of.
467 00:59:16.150 --> 00:59:25.029 Katie Baxter: what politicians are saying and stuff like that, and just keep informed about news and stuff, rather than necessarily as a communication of social media, similar to
468 00:59:25.030 --> 00:59:36.190 Katie Baxter: Instagram or TikTok or something, but also lots of people are using LinkedIn generally a lot more. That's definitely taken a boost, and it's taken a boost more socially as well, with people just, like.
469 00:59:36.530 --> 00:59:44.389 Katie Baxter: Updating on their lives and staying connected with people in that in that way, especially in again like in my generation they're trying to.
470 00:59:44.580 --> 00:59:50.279 Katie Baxter: Build up their careers. But I think X, yeah, isn't, isn't the best.
471 00:59:50.530 --> 00:59:51.879 Katie Baxter: Place to be.
472 00:59:52.160 --> 00:59:55.489 Katie Baxter: Unfortunately. Kind of the best…
473 00:59:55.900 --> 01:00:02.850 Katie Baxter: the most successful way, I think, these days is to form a presence, is you kind of have to…
474 01:00:03.330 --> 01:00:16.490 Katie Baxter: support the, like, jokey side of social media. You have to sort of go along with the media trends and stuff like that, to gain traction, and then once you've gained traction, you can kind of
475 01:00:16.650 --> 01:00:18.020 Katie Baxter: Change your.
476 01:00:18.170 --> 01:00:28.739 Katie Baxter: profile into your cause or something like that, but unfortunately, I think the main interest on social media is no longer causes and more towards just, like, being a fun
477 01:00:29.090 --> 01:00:36.669 Katie Baxter: Place for people to to get a bit of a dopamine release rather than learn more about what's happening in the world and like what.
478 01:00:37.410 --> 01:00:40.409 Katie Baxter: What's that going wrong? Yeah.
479 01:00:40.410 --> 01:00:45.859 Frank Deas, Killearn: I think, Katie, that's good, but for those of us of our generation, we kind of see that as the Ed Davey effect.
480 01:00:46.190 --> 01:00:46.740 Katie Baxter: Yeah.
481 01:00:46.740 --> 01:00:52.570 Frank Deas, Killearn: You try and do lots of fun things to get traction, but then you don't get taken seriously 'cause you're doing lots of fun things to get traction.
482 01:00:52.720 --> 01:00:53.260 Frank Deas, Killearn: Okay.
483 01:00:53.260 --> 01:01:11.249 Katie Baxter: I think you can… I think there's, like, a middle point with that. I think definitely you can do some fun things and also be serious about things that you're doing. But it's honestly just sort of regarding who you're trying to connect to, which demographic you're trying to connect to.
484 01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:21.390 Katie Baxter: And I don't really know a lot about the algorithm and stuff, but yeah, I think you can kind of tailor what sort of content you're creating to the
485 01:01:21.860 --> 01:01:28.730 Katie Baxter: But it's hard because it's so saturated with things that you don't want to see on social media.
486 01:01:28.890 --> 01:01:34.910 Katie Baxter: Which is making it really difficult to see what you are interested in, so I think maybe it's…
487 01:01:35.290 --> 01:01:45.979 Katie Baxter: It's kind of people, I don't know, I don't know if it's a sustainable solution for getting the word out. I couldn't really say, unfortunately.
488 01:01:46.520 --> 01:01:52.079 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Do you think any of the faces you see before you would make a good influencer?
489 01:01:53.040 --> 01:01:59.670 Katie Baxter: Oh, I don't know. I think if you've got the passion, you've got the drive, you can do it.
490 01:02:00.570 --> 01:02:01.250 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: Thanks.
491 01:02:01.250 --> 01:02:02.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well done, Kate.
492 01:02:02.110 --> 01:02:02.810 Katie Baxter: you.
493 01:02:02.810 --> 01:02:04.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Gary, your turn, please.
494 01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:08.980 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: I was just wondering.
495 01:02:09.560 --> 01:02:12.920 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: All the thoughts about your future and everything.
496 01:02:13.530 --> 01:02:19.119 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Are there any steps you're taking now to prepare yourselves for this future that's coming along?
497 01:02:19.290 --> 01:02:23.099 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Are there any decisions that you're finding yourself making these days?
498 01:02:23.540 --> 01:02:26.929 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: That you think are going to be good decisions to make now.
499 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.529 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Given what's going to happen, we think
500 01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:32.110 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: Coming up in the next few decades.
501 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:41.820 Garry Ford - Corsham Town Council: It's like, how is it influencing your thinking and your actions today?
502 01:02:42.710 --> 01:02:57.260 Tegen Dixon-clarke: I won't speak for everyone, but I think there's definitely, maybe at least my, amongst my friends, or I think anyone in London, really, just because London is expensive, I think there's maybe more of a.
503 01:02:57.650 --> 01:03:00.549 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Feeling that you need to just be a bit more.
504 01:03:00.990 --> 01:03:03.029 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Like, educate yourself, kind of.
505 01:03:03.190 --> 01:03:07.779 Tegen Dixon-clarke: financially, and… Kind of things that maybe.
506 01:03:08.030 --> 01:03:17.340 Tegen Dixon-clarke: I've spoken to my parents about they weren't necessarily thinking about at 24, like I and even my younger sister are having to sort of just like.
507 01:03:17.590 --> 01:03:25.260 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Have initial thoughts of like, oh, when it comes to savings, like, what's, what's going to be my plan, like, when it comes to buying a house, like.
508 01:03:25.700 --> 01:03:34.319 Tegen Dixon-clarke: You know, how old do I want to be? It's not that there's any like plan set in stone, but I think just it's on, it's definitely on people's minds.
509 01:03:34.660 --> 01:03:37.960 Tegen Dixon-clarke: A lot more, and I think I'm having conversations with friends.
510 01:03:38.240 --> 01:03:46.309 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Just generally about, kind of, Casually about how, like, just expensive London is and how they're kind of.
511 01:03:46.520 --> 01:03:49.419 Tegen Dixon-clarke: They plan their finances and stuff like this, which…
512 01:03:49.550 --> 01:03:52.830 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Having spoken to my parents, maybe they weren't quite so.
513 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:53.810 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Like.
514 01:03:54.070 --> 01:03:59.299 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Trying to be aware and trying to educate themselves at a younger age.
515 01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:06.320 Tegen Dixon-clarke: But obviously, that's quite a personal thing. But I think there's just, like, a pressure, maybe.
516 01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:06.670 Katie Baxter: think.
517 01:04:06.670 --> 01:04:08.020 Tegen Dixon-clarke: The cost of living.
518 01:04:08.020 --> 01:04:26.730 Katie Baxter: Sorry, I think that's definitely true. I think young people are now having to make more of a choice about going into, like, a job that's going to pay really well compared to doing something more passionate, because of the cost of living for younger people, especially in London, where it is really expensive, like, at the end of the day, you do have to
519 01:04:26.730 --> 01:04:31.190 Katie Baxter: Pay your bills, which is harder for in terms of climate.
520 01:04:31.250 --> 01:04:41.519 Katie Baxter: interactions, because obviously a lot of that is quite voluntary. But then I feel like in London especially, time is money, and you can only do so much with your time.
521 01:04:46.010 --> 01:04:48.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Thanks, Frank, but good to see you.
522 01:04:49.450 --> 01:05:02.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, Tegan, you made a choice, didn't you, of the sort of career that you follow because you were able to find a job in sustainability, but what was the appeal of sustainability to you?
523 01:05:03.670 --> 01:05:09.629 Tegen Dixon-clarke: I… Generally, just like kind of growing up passion. I grew up in the countryside, I think.
524 01:05:09.900 --> 01:05:28.159 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Nature was always really important to me and then learnt more about climate change and I think it's quite hard not to when you hear about it a lot and you kind of learn about it. I just found it really interesting, but also obviously not purely academic, it also is quite important. And so I think I just.
525 01:05:28.540 --> 01:05:35.149 Tegen Dixon-clarke: decided that… I did want that element of something that I was passionate about in my job.
526 01:05:35.310 --> 01:05:37.729 Tegen Dixon-clarke: But I wanted to find a way that.
527 01:05:38.130 --> 01:05:47.640 Tegen Dixon-clarke: I could… Almost do sustainable work and like do sustainability focused work but maybe not purely in like a.
528 01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:56.350 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Sustainability sector, so almost talking to people who aren't that convinced about sustainability and being the one to try and say.
529 01:05:56.450 --> 01:06:10.560 Tegen Dixon-clarke: Well, have you thought about, you know, a sustainability angle to your problem? Have you thought and kind of having people go, oh, no, no, no, that's all that's nonsense. And trying to say like, because I think it's also just quite an interesting challenge if you're interested in it.
530 01:06:10.580 --> 01:06:22.940 Tegen Dixon-clarke: to try and make the case to people who maybe are only thinking about, like, profit, and try and say, well, have you, you know, maybe there's an angle that you haven't thought about. So I think I wanted to find, like, a middle ground.
531 01:06:22.980 --> 01:06:24.229 Tegen Dixon-clarke: where I could…
532 01:06:25.130 --> 01:06:30.910 Tegen Dixon-clarke: try and even just change like a few people's minds who might not have thought about that.
533 01:06:32.460 --> 01:06:43.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: It's very refreshing to the oldies to hear that there is the younger generation coming through who are going to do something about it, provided you're still alive, then there's hope.
534 01:06:44.140 --> 01:06:50.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: But, good stuff. Does anyone else have any more questions for you? Anyone they want to say?
535 01:06:52.140 --> 01:07:09.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Well, thank you so much, Ishwan, for the effort you put into this. I think it was wonderful. I found that the clarity of your diagrams were much better than I've seen elsewhere. Really good job. So, thank you so much, and Tegan and Katie, really delighted that you joined in, so thank you very much.
536 01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:10.870 Katie Baxter: you.
537 01:07:11.200 --> 01:07:12.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: to future meetings.
538 01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:22.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: What the future meetings were going to be about. I got the slightest idea because I haven't worked out what next week's going to be yet, but stay tuned and we look forward to seeing you again. Thank you so much.
539 01:07:22.700 --> 01:07:26.150 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: I think we ought to say a big thank you to the younger people.
540 01:07:26.330 --> 01:07:38.489 Cllr Stuart Withington Gt Dunmow TC, Essex: And encourage them to spread the word about the great collaboration, and the fact that these meetings are free, they're every Wednesday, and encourage your friends to come and attend.
541 01:07:39.250 --> 01:07:43.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: Thank you, Stuart. Yes, absolutely. Please do. And do come again.
542 01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.379 Graham Stoddart-Stones - Great Collaboration: And bring hordes with you. Yeah, thank you.
543 01:07:47.380 --> 01:07:49.020 Sue Burton: Thank you so much. Lovely.
544 01:07:49.020 --> 01:07:49.700 tristram cary: Thank you.
545 01:07:49.700 --> 01:07:50.830 Stella Brown: Thank you very much.
546 01:07:50.830 --> 01:07:52.420 tristram cary: Thank you very much.
547 01:07:52.420 --> 01:07:53.890 Tegen Dixon-clarke: presentation.
548 01:07:54.090 --> 01:07:55.659 Stella Brown: Wonderful presentation, yes.
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